01:00:47 eihrul joined #tunes 01:03:53 gypsymaur joined #tunes 01:12:42 _water joined #tunes 01:14:58 water: Do you have any papers on that language concept you pointed me to yesterday? 01:15:22 huh? which language concept? 01:16:02 The one you suguested I use instead of mudging the line between vocabulary and alphabet 01:16:16 lol 01:16:56 no, i don't keep papers around on that 01:17:20 and it's called a concatenative syntax 01:17:42 Ok. 01:17:43 i.e. every phrase counts unless proven that it can't mean anything 01:19:17 What language is <> based upon? 01:19:32 um none 01:20:17 the parts of the bootstrap borrowed from languages, but that does not reflect on <> 01:20:39 I thought you stated that <> was not a language in and of itself? 01:20:46 grrr 01:21:00 thanks for twisting words 01:21:32 it isn't... you're question merely implicitly assumed it 01:22:15 So <> is not a langauge, and its not based on a language? 01:22:27 geez get a clue! 01:23:25 go learn some more 01:24:38 Sorry. 01:24:42 lar1 left #tunes 03:26:38 Chino joined #tunes 03:26:47 hi 03:26:51 Hi 03:27:20 what brings you to #tunes? 03:27:35 I am just curious. 03:27:52 ok, i can answer questions for ya or just talk 03:29:08 as you can see, it's pretty quiet around here :) 03:29:46 Not many people, either. 03:30:01 there's usually not more than 12 03:30:01 What is TUNES like? 03:30:15 it's a bunch of toy prototypes right now 03:30:36 we don't have the design rightly worked out yet 03:31:11 although eihrul and i are working on the slate programming language, which seems like a good bet 03:31:51 I see 03:31:53 are you a programmer? 03:32:07 Not at all. 03:32:10 oh 03:32:13 hm 03:32:17 I want to be, though 03:32:43 if you want to see something *right* *now* that works a little like tunes should, then look at squeak or a scheme 03:33:03 abi: squeak? 03:33:03 squeak is a cool pure oo language descended from Smalltalk, at http://squeak.cs.uiuc.edu/ or at http://www.squeak.org/ or The open source mouse that roars! 03:33:39 it's not the same thing at all as tunes, but it's better than most other systems 03:34:02 Okay 03:34:59 Is squeak a new language? 03:35:34 no, it's a smalltalk-80 variant, although they're looking at layering other tiny languages and extensions over it 03:37:13 It's not popular, isn't it? 03:37:28 hm? 03:37:50 no, it's not politically correct, if that's what you mean 03:38:39 I mean, are there many people using squeak? 03:38:44 yes 03:38:53 just like there are many smalltalkers 03:39:06 not as many as there are c or python users 03:39:56 I see 03:41:42 I would like to learn squeak anyway. 03:41:54 ok 03:42:38 there are links to documentation and tutorials from the squeak.org page and from the dmoz.org section for smalltalk and squeak 03:43:44 Okay 03:44:06 How long do you think it'll take to master squeak? 03:44:19 [QUIT] nate37 quit: Ping timeout for nate37[cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com] 03:44:25 hm 03:44:44 it depends on who you have to help you 03:45:15 learning a programming environment always goes faster when you have help, particularly personal help 03:45:37 Oh 03:45:55 and there's so much to squeak, since it includes a lot of applications, that i've been using it for months, but i haven't mastered it 03:46:26 but you can write useful programs in less than an hour after first learning the language 03:46:49 since people have been using smalltalk to teach small children programming for years 03:48:13 Wow, smalltalk must be very easy to learn! 03:48:29 well, try it for yourself 03:48:49 the UI for squeak is a little strange i should tell you 03:49:09 Okay 03:49:13 you'd do best to pick up a primer or tutorial from the squeak.org site 03:49:49 Thanks 03:49:55 np 03:50:41 there's also smalltalk.org if you need more material 03:51:49 Okay 03:52:31 hm i must go to work soon 03:52:44 good bye 03:52:46 [QUIT] water quit: The Tao went that-a-way! 04:18:42 Good bye, guys 04:18:44 Chino left #tunes 07:07:02 Kyle_L joined #tunes 07:20:32 [QUIT] Kyle_L quit: Leaving 07:32:09 smklsmkl joined #tunes 09:38:09 ult joined #tunes 14:39:06 smklsmkl joined #tunes 14:51:50 nate37 joined #tunes 15:37:32 eihrul joined #tunes 16:06:08 Kyle_L joined #tunes 16:53:58 nate37 joined #tunes 17:10:23 [QUIT] eihrul quit: [x]chat 18:15:58 rares joined #tunes 18:51:40 ult joined #tunes 18:51:56 [NICK] ult changed nick to: RevUlt 18:56:14 rares_ joined #tunes 18:57:08 [QUIT] rares quit: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by rares_)) 19:27:48 eihrul joined #tunes 19:29:15 [NICK] rares changed nick to: Lancelnot 19:29:20 [NICK] Lancelnot changed nick to: rares 19:33:40 [QUIT] nate37_ quit: brb 20:38:09 nate37 joined #tunes 21:40:34 [QUIT] ult quit: Leaving 22:02:18 [QUIT] ink quit: [x]chat 22:05:30 eihrul joined #tunes 22:59:18 [QUIT] air quit: Ping timeout for air[p0wer.qzx.com] 01:45:09 [QUIT] _ruiner_ quit: destroy what destroys you