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I don't have much tiem for it 10:01:04 heh 10:01:13 dunno if i have room for it 10:01:29 but if it would help out tunes, yeah i'll do it 10:01:49 it's big and heavy... I will get around to messing with it eventually. 10:01:57 hum 10:02:04 about what size? 10:02:16 workstation, right? 10:02:19 I was going to leave it on the network and let people login to it 10:02:35 yeah that's what it was supposed to be for 10:02:43 tunes members 10:03:15 i have a nice cable modem connection now, so maybe i can support that (maybe) 10:03:20 well it's next to my mid-tower ATX case, and it's a few inch higher, a few inch winder, and a few inch longer :) 10:03:28 [QUIT] lar1 quit: sigh 10:03:38 ok 10:03:57 it's possible, but hopefully everything can be set up at your place instead 10:04:06 that's fine. 10:04:18 you can come over and play with it 10:04:22 besides, lag time from here to there shouldn't be bad 10:04:26 ok 10:04:43 i'll ask a couple of days in advance when i can plan on visiting 10:05:04 how long do you want to stay? 10:05:46 oh, probably just for a day 10:06:16 i get a couple of days off in a row, though 10:06:22 I think HenZo would like to meet you :) 10:06:22 3 i think 10:06:30 um ok 10:06:51 Gakuk! 10:07:00 hi Fare: I'm learning Mutt :) 10:07:04 hey fare 10:07:05 will there be a Tunes Xmas party in Bellingham? 10:07:15 maybe 10:07:22 How do I apply a command to all tagged messages? 10:07:41 ";" command 10:07:42 Fare want to discuss mutt in another chan? 10:09:05 water looks more into inferno 10:10:19 oh yeah 10:10:34 Tril: i can bring over my iBook and show you Self =) 10:10:59 any news from the LispM ? 10:11:24 water wants to visit and look at it 10:11:58 could you get it to work? 10:12:23 i'll help as much as i can 10:12:57 I'll try to get the converter for onboard ethernet before he arrives 10:13:55 good 10:20:41 Fare: i'd like you to review the book "metapattern" if you would 10:21:27 Is it on the web? 10:21:29 [QUIT] Kyle quit: Leaving 10:21:32 it has a lot of things in common with hll ideas, like uniformity of concepts, meta-level representations everywhere and object-context relationship elaboration 10:21:38 not the text :/ 10:21:59 hehe, that's what I asked 10:22:23 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201704579/o/qid=976990922/sr=8-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_3/107-0309005-7560501 10:22:47 this guy has only published papers in dutch journals, obscure ones at that 10:23:20 oh, and please look past the buzzwords 10:24:14 now, it's definitely missing some things that tunes concepts have, but it's a really good compare/contrast and i think it should help to refine our concepts 10:27:09 did you read it? 10:27:38 [QUIT] Tril quit: barnes.openprojects.net clarke.openprojects.net 10:28:24 i'm reading it currently 10:28:34 about half-way through 11:29:01 wow 11:29:14 AOP made it into MIT's tech review mag 11:35:53 eihrul joined #tunes 11:37:51 re 11:38:21 [QUIT] MysticOne quit: Read error to MysticOne[user-24-214-59-110.knology.net]: Connection reset by peer 11:42:18 hi 11:42:40 hi kev 11:42:56 do you use the hurd? 11:51:13 abi: pliant 11:51:13 pliant is [pl] at http://pliant.cams.ehess.fr or http://pliant.cx/ 11:53:36 i at least play with / read about anything i'm in the channel of 11:57:49 ok 12:24:42 bineng joined #tunes 12:31:57 hey 12:32:34 hi 13:18:26 smkl joined #tunes 13:18:26 kev joined #tunes 13:18:26 bineng joined #tunes 13:56:12 Tril joined #tunes 13:56:12 [MODE] ChanServ set mode: +o Tril 13:56:50 mibin joined #tunes 14:50:38 water joined #tunes 14:50:51 re all 14:51:12 re bineng 14:51:55 hi 14:53:56 are you not busy with school now? 14:54:45 yes :) 14:57:36 cool 14:58:09 that's one way to see it.. 14:58:18 [QUIT] mercy quit: Ping timeout for mercy[h24-65-111-177.ss.shawcable.net] 15:00:26 so what's up? 15:04:56 abi: pidgin 15:04:57 pidgin is [slate+sw] the Slate implementation in C++ that eihrul is writing to use self-like meta-objects by default at http://slate.tunes.org/pidgin.tar.gz and http://www.lvdi.net/~lee.salzman/pidgin.tar.gz 16:05:27 smkl joined #tunes 19:35:51 nrut joined #tunes 19:36:43 hi 19:37:29 hello 19:38:09 most people are away icuc 19:39:32 its not a big deal, I've read much of the tunes website (or did) so I'm just seeing whats going on.. 19:39:38 ok 19:39:49 mostly r&d on the hll 19:40:10 not much has been published yet, which is my problem 19:41:47 there is a new different prototype that will be released at month's end, mostly for members 19:42:25 the goal at that point will be to implement hll semantics on top of it 19:43:33 hmm.. I forget the meaning of hll :/ 19:43:51 just high-level language 19:43:56 oh right. 19:44:09 hmmm. 19:44:12 in this case, whatever's required to make tunes equivalent capabilities 19:44:44 which is a tough nut to crack 19:46:08 nrut wanders through the tunes website to refresh memory. 19:46:53 i've read that site many many times 19:52:03 have you heard of vapour? I need to compare/contrast this with that other project. 19:52:16 yep 19:52:32 vapour is a lisp OS basically 19:52:51 as to whether it has good provisions for reflection and extension, that remains to be seen :) 19:53:05 more like scheme 19:53:35 vapour is good enough for most people's perceptions of their needs 19:53:47 and it has actual booting code :) 19:53:59 *shrug* so does squeak 19:54:14 depends on your needs 19:54:26 vapour is self-contained and its lisp, squeak depends on a host OS 19:54:29 but vapour doesn't boot off of code generated by a scheme compiler, does it? :) 19:55:02 anybody know if it runs well off of plex86? 19:55:08 yeah, squeak pretty much is oriented to being hosted 19:55:25 no idea, but it probably would 19:57:10 nrut 'd have to see how much memory it would require anyway 19:57:22 s/'d/would/ 19:58:07 not much memory on my machine and I dont know how much plex needs either :/ 19:58:14 nrut sighs 19:58:18 use bochs then 19:58:41 maybe. 21:05:17 [QUIT] nrut quit: sleep 22:23:30 beholder joined #tunes 22:23:36 Hey water 22:23:49 Noticed you visited us in #tpp 22:38:36 yeah 22:38:41 what's news? 22:41:08 oh well 22:54:32 [QUIT] eihrul quit: Leaving 22:54:44 eihrul joined #tunes 23:55:04 Tril joined #tunes 23:55:04 [MODE] ChanServ set mode: +o Tril 23:59:43 extrasolar joined #tunes 00:00:10 extrasolar bows to the beholder