00:02:05 Anyone awake? 00:02:13 hey 00:02:40 water: Hey. 00:02:47 water: What's up? 00:03:03 not much, working out slate issues still 00:03:28 water: Ahh...any recent docs? 00:03:47 nope, i'm keeping stuff a secret until its ready 00:03:55 water: Secret? 00:04:23 besides, the goal is Tunes HLL level, so everyone in theory should already know where i'm going with it 00:04:49 extrasolar goes back to the tunes web site. 00:05:06 yes, i'm not writing until i *know* how to explain things and *know* that it's the right way to go 00:05:24 water: Good idea. 00:05:56 yeah well i'm as impatient as anybody is to get the ball rolling collectively 00:06:13 since that would relieve me of a little of the burden 00:06:27 anyway, what's new with you? 00:07:58 I know a heck a lot more about HTML, XML, CSS...I got involved in all these projects to build web sites for some reasons. They even give us tools...but noo, I have to make things harder by following all the standards...*sigh* 00:08:05 -) 00:08:22 ah 00:08:44 what projects? 00:08:46 {* Random note: The Tunes website could use some reorganization *} 00:08:53 yeah, we know 00:09:07 see http://diktuon.tunes.org for a new experiment 00:09:14 abi: diktuon 00:09:14 diktuon is the Tunes node-and-space-based hypertext document system at http://diktuon.tunes.org 00:09:30 still being worked on 00:09:32 water: Heh...living legacy, FBLA...silly high school programs. 00:09:41 oh 00:10:21 anyway, diktuon is going to be based on xml and small text units combined to form structured documents 00:10:24 water: What is wrong with a regular markup/hypertext system? 00:11:36 not flexible enough and not allowing enough meta-structure 00:12:00 e.g. wiki is flexible but not able to be structured effectively 00:13:37 water: Hmm...wow, just recently I had this idea for system that is both flexible and structured. But it was for an entirely different context. Weird how this kind coincidences...uh..coincide. 00:14:01 hm 00:14:21 well, you can check out diktuon source (afaik) from diktuon.sourceforge.net 00:14:28 water: Will do. 00:16:06 I'm getting a PostgreSQL error. 00:16:11 hm 00:16:26 oh yeah, corey mentioned it would be down 00:16:36 search SF for diktuon 00:16:52 you'll get the standard page 00:16:58 Aye. 00:18:49 Nothing really there though. 00:19:00 water checks 00:19:12 No mailing lists...no messages. 00:19:19 http://sourceforge.net/projects/diktuon/ 00:20:14 yeah but the php source is there 00:20:35 besides, there's only 3 guys involved, 2 of which do most communication here on irc 00:22:34 Hmm...wish there was a design doc. 00:23:09 on the tunes diktuon, there's a todo 00:23:17 and a help i think 00:25:15 water: Is there a specific reason for writing it in php? 00:25:46 afaik just convenience 00:26:25 water: Okay. Because I've never used php before...you always need access to the server to use it. 00:26:39 oh 00:26:50 um 00:26:59 Or am I mistaken? 00:27:10 you do realize that diktuon is supposed to be edited via the web, right? 00:27:31 water: Edit the source code from the web? 00:27:34 (actually multiple interfaces later on) 00:27:40 no, the content 00:28:12 water: Ahh. I figured that. That actually seems like a limitation to me. 00:28:25 a limitation? why? 00:28:56 have you ever used a wiki before? 00:28:56 water: Because then you are either using plain text or a strange markup. 00:29:02 water: Yes. 00:29:12 es: not a strange markup, xml 00:29:30 water: xml is rather verbose to be edited by hand. 00:29:34 even then, a simplified xml specifically for the diktuon 00:30:16 i'm not having a discussion about this 00:30:25 water: Okay :-) 00:30:34 besides, diktuon nodes are limited to 8k 00:30:44 water: Sorry...I should know more about diktuon first. 00:30:55 it's not like you can't see an entire node in a small text pane 00:31:09 water: What are the other interfaces planned? 00:32:03 well, database back-ends of different sorts, an email transaction system, and they're playing around with the idea of using things like freenet 00:32:27 i couldn't tell you for sure what all they want to use 00:32:55 i also know that they'd like to integrate small factoid tables like what abi has 00:33:15 water: abi? What is abi? 00:33:22 abi: what are you? 00:33:22 i am [irc] the little girl borg with a big brain and #tunes' personal little infoslut 00:33:37 [QUIT] Tril quit: bye 00:33:40 abi: thanks :) 00:33:50 Oh...another bot. 00:34:15 heh 00:34:27 abi: stats 00:34:27 Since Fri Dec 15 06:50:25 2000, there have been 33 modifications and 20 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 17 hours, 44 minutes, 2 seconds this session, and currently reference 1730 factoids. 00:34:38 most of those factoids are CS-related 00:34:52 Despite being despised everywhere, the paperclip shows up all over IRC in an annoying text form instead. 00:34:59 in fact, about 95% of them 00:35:12 pardon?? 00:35:40 water: Don't tell me the similarity between Clippy and IRC Bots hasn't occured to you? 00:35:46 [MODE] ChanServ set mode: +o water 00:36:00 bye 00:36:07 You leaving? 00:36:11 Bye. 00:36:14 no, you are 00:36:29 water: Did I offend? 00:36:45 do you have to ask? 00:37:00 a bot is only as annoying as its programmer/user 00:37:24 abi is a utility 00:37:35 water: I was speaking generally. Not about abi in specific. 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