00:00:08 --- log: started osdev/01.12.20 00:00:08 did it have the main page? 00:00:23 nope. 00:00:39 what do u mean by "it knew it existed"? 00:00:49 knew the url existed. 00:00:51 that's all. 00:00:51 heh 00:01:10 what did it say? 00:01:43 * foofoo intentionally beats around the bush. 00:02:13 it was a web page on my isp. 00:02:24 so it probably grabbed the url from my isp's user list. 00:02:27 at the time. 00:03:25 --- join: ink (~ink@user-vcauuka.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 00:03:30 re 00:03:59 oh crap 00:04:15 ? 00:04:26 this eggnog i just drank contained 224% of my daily saturated fat 00:04:33 lol 00:04:33 ahahahahahahaha! 00:04:56 air: just do 200 pushups and you'll be good. 00:05:01 176% colesterol 00:05:28 1600 calories 00:05:44 i hate eggnog. 00:05:46 bleh 00:05:51 too fatty. 00:05:55 * ink never had (to my recollection) 00:06:01 be back after an hour of exercise 00:06:21 haha 00:06:25 ink: u never had eggnog? 00:06:49 its kinda like chocolate milk how it goes down so fast 00:06:59 no, not like chocolate milk 00:07:04 but it has something that makes u thirsty so u drink it even faster 00:07:15 hmm 00:07:17 eggnog has eggs, sugar, vanilla, and so much other shit in it. 00:07:22 milk, of course. 00:07:44 ink: go to store tomorrow and get some 00:07:57 they only sell it at xmas time 00:08:01 just don't drink too much. 00:08:05 hmm 00:08:07 drink like a pint of it and throw away the rest. 00:08:25 u can buy it in small things 00:08:35 i just had a quart 00:08:40 hm 00:09:09 a quart is about twice the size of a pint. 00:09:15 you better do two hours of exercise. 00:09:40 seriously. eggnog is fattening. 00:09:49 tastes fattening too. 00:09:52 it's thick. 00:09:53 foofoo: only 1600 calories :) 00:09:56 damn. 00:10:04 heh 00:11:48 it makes no sense to me. people eat all this shit during christmas time, and the weather is too cold to go jogging. so why do it? 00:12:24 better off starving yourself during winter time and eat yourself fat during estivation. 00:12:39 at least that way you can go jog it off. 00:15:12 foofoo: gotta build up fat to keep warn 00:15:14 warm 00:15:42 why when we live in the era of central heating? :-) 00:15:52 heh 00:15:55 because gas prices are the suck? 00:16:03 natural gas prices don't 00:16:04 why when you live in california =P 00:16:42 damn 00:16:48 i need to get more eggnog 00:16:54 well, you live in california. we live in northern utah, in a valley where it is cold as hell when it snows. 00:17:20 cold as HELL dont sound right 00:17:28 haha 00:18:29 oxymoron. :-p 00:18:34 i think it works perfect. 00:19:08 if it was cold as heaven, then the temperature would be balmy. 00:19:23 like california. 00:19:25 damn. 00:19:51 balmy? 00:19:54 foofoo: ever been paintballing? 00:20:03 oh 00:20:04 Balmy \Balm"y\, a. 00:20:04 1. Having the qualities of balm; odoriferous; aromatic; 00:20:04 assuaging; soothing; refreshing; mild; as, balmy weather. 00:20:04 ``The balmy breeze.'' --Tickell. 00:20:04 [1913 Webster] 00:20:21 i remember spending the christmas with my cousins in pasadina. it never snowed. 00:20:28 CA weather is not always nice 00:20:33 could use some more rain 00:20:38 and cold wind sucks. 00:20:48 on a day that would be perfect if not for wind grr 00:20:52 Main Entry: balmy 00:20:52 Pronunciation: 'bä-mE, 'bäl-mE, New England also 'b[a']-mE 00:20:52 Function: adjective 00:20:52 Inflected Form(s): balm·i·er; -est 00:20:52 Date: 15th century 00:20:53 1 a : having the qualities of balm : SOOTHING b : MILD 00:20:55 2 : CRAZY, FOOLISH 00:21:07 I've seen snow once, but it did not last long 00:21:11 ink: why are you quoting dictionaries? :-p 00:21:16 melted right when it hit the ground 00:21:19 air: no 00:21:26 dict balmy =] 00:21:48 weirdo. :-) 00:21:58 foofoo: u gotta go try 00:22:00 dict is the r0x0r 00:22:09 paintballing is damn fun 00:22:23 * ink needs to go again soon 00:22:29 air: in the outdoors or at one of those paintball joints? 00:22:31 foofoo: u sound like yer obese or anything 00:22:42 foofoo: either 00:22:47 air: i'm not the one counting calories. 00:22:56 hahaha 00:22:56 and saturated fat. 00:22:57 heh 00:23:03 er u dont sound... 00:23:11 i just said eggnog is fattening. i don't like to drink it. 00:23:12 * ink is the one with the hot pocket hanging out of his mouth 00:23:15 /nick shamu 00:23:23 er u dont sound... 00:23:29 heh 00:23:30 =P 00:23:42 uh oh, i think air is losing it. 00:23:43 :-) 00:23:45 so u have no reason not to try paintball 00:24:04 "im too fat to run from paint" was mortons excuse 00:24:06 no its not that. 00:24:08 lol 00:24:11 hahaha 00:24:16 * foofoo cracks up. 00:24:30 too fat to run from paint. hah. 00:24:57 7200S redwood rd 00:25:00 go there 00:25:30 macs does paintball? 00:25:30 heh 00:25:39 damnit 00:25:44 state not redwood 00:25:46 or albertsons? 00:25:47 lol 00:26:12 its next to the shane company 00:26:25 ah, ok 00:26:32 go shoot the people at the shane co. 00:26:36 I hate their commercials 00:26:48 air: couldn't i just buy a paintball gun, cruise along state street and shoot pedestrians with it? 00:26:54 or would i go to jail? 00:27:00 were's the fun in that? 00:27:09 air: joking right? 00:27:10 foofoo: public nuisance? 00:27:10 only if u get caught 00:27:13 lol 00:27:28 and they consider paintball guns to be real firearms 00:27:28 foofoo: better if you do it piss-drunk and in the nude 00:27:37 hahaha 00:27:40 cuz they can kill 00:27:48 puh-leeze? 00:27:52 especially when driving by at 45 mph 00:27:56 yup 00:27:56 ink: think about it. 00:28:06 * ink wants to read the headline 00:28:20 ink: do u know how many ppl are missing eyes 00:28:21 "PISS-DRUNK NAKED MAN FIRES ON PUBLIC, KILLS 19" 00:28:22 ? 00:28:33 air: no, i wouldn't fuck with the salt lake police. they would shoot me dead. 00:28:41 heh 00:28:53 * ink plays with the po-po 00:28:56 seriously. the salt lake cops are bad. 00:28:59 especially sandy police. 00:29:04 ink: the paint can be fired at 300mph 00:29:36 and it stings like a bitch when moving at 150mph 00:29:45 haha 00:29:48 and can cut skin at 150 00:29:50 yeah 00:29:58 i KNOW 00:30:33 i was shot point blank range in the forearm 00:30:47 ow 00:30:51 it formed a volcano 00:30:54 I was shot in the back from like 10-ft 00:31:01 hurt like a mother fucker 00:31:05 i had a neighbor that got shot with a bb gun. his mom called the police on the guy that shot him 00:31:09 heh 00:31:15 but that was when i was a wee lad. 00:31:26 I was behind a tree and was sneaking up on this guy 00:31:32 my brother got shot in the eye with a bb gun 00:31:34 the guy said it was because the kid trespassed on his property. 00:31:39 I aim and fire but instead of shooting, my gun uncocks 00:31:40 he now has a bionic lens 00:31:40 air: damn. 00:31:41 *fuck* 00:31:47 no joking? 00:31:50 the cokcing knob fell out the time before 00:31:51 serious 00:31:56 and I was rendered harmless 00:31:56 air: did you live in taylorsville? 00:31:57 lol 00:31:59 then the bitch shot me 00:32:09 my other brother shot him 00:32:19 damn. 00:32:22 I know somebody who was shot in the leg with a normal gun by his brother 00:32:24 fucked up. :-) 00:32:27 accidental of course 00:32:31 yeah 00:32:34 same here 00:32:40 air: was it air powered, or co2? 00:32:46 air 00:32:58 good 00:33:08 but still. 00:33:16 its kinda kewl tho cuz his eye reflects light 00:33:27 air: what did your parents do? 00:33:38 do? 00:33:38 lock your brother in the cellar for a year? 00:33:41 i would've. 00:33:43 dunno 00:33:59 it was an accident 00:34:16 air: i'd be damn pissed if that happened. 00:34:21 especially if it took out his eye. 00:34:32 brb - CONAN!!! 00:34:35 he can still see 00:34:49 yeah, through one eye. :-p 00:34:52 $10,000 can fix eyes 00:34:53 no depth perception. 00:34:55 poor kid. 00:35:02 both eyes work 00:35:10 it only damaged his lens 00:35:17 he now has a fake lens 00:35:19 huh? 00:35:29 he had a bionic lens before he got shot in the eye with the bb gun? 00:35:32 heh 00:35:35 no 00:35:48 the lens is the front of the eye 00:35:54 the bb only damaged the lens 00:36:01 oh, ok. 00:36:01 u see with the part BEHIND the lens 00:36:07 i see what you're saying. :-p 00:36:51 if u require glasses they can just give u a fake lens and u wont need glasses anymore 00:37:00 or they can do laser surgey on it 00:37:22 but the fake lens looks kewler 00:37:33 he looks spooky 00:37:54 so u gonna go try paintball? 00:40:11 maybe in the next six months 00:40:15 not immediately. :-) 00:40:24 its the holiday season. 00:40:55 hmm maybe i should just upload my notes 00:41:00 k 00:41:08 notes? 00:41:28 notes work 00:41:57 foofoo: do u exercise regularly? 00:42:09 heh 00:42:31 air: i swear, if you start winking at me... 00:42:37 you won 00:42:41 't hear the end of it. :-) 00:42:45 i suggest stretching and work on yer legs 00:42:53 omg. :-p 00:43:06 or u will be sore 00:43:12 ack. 00:43:15 for paintball, right? 00:43:17 everyone i have taken to play paint is sore for a week after 00:43:21 lol 00:43:36 hahaha 00:43:40 air is sending me subliminal messages. 00:43:46 sore/score 00:43:55 my one friend is 250lb all muscle and he was sore 00:44:09 all muscle? i doubt it. 00:44:12 everybody has body fat. 00:44:12 heh 00:44:13 yes 00:44:15 well 00:44:24 he can bench over 500 00:44:36 air, i'm having trubl 00:44:38 ok, 50% muscle. :-) 00:44:38 his arms are like thighs 00:45:54 just work on yer leg muscles 00:45:54 cuz u will be doing a lot of squating 00:46:12 i swear, utahns are narcissists. :-) 00:46:25 but it is part of our lifestyle. 00:46:29 heh 00:46:55 the great fight to be better than one another. 00:47:10 to strengthen the collective. 00:47:15 * foofoo feels like he's part of the borg. 00:48:15 it's probably like that everywhere, though. 00:48:25 i lead such a sheltered life. :-p 00:48:30 tell me if u go and i will down a bottle of aleve and join u 00:48:43 heh 00:49:19 and yes, if i cough blood on u its same as paintball 00:49:33 eeeg. 00:49:47 fourth section of AoA! 00:50:53 more data representation! whee 00:51:06 back 00:52:01 learning about all the fun numbering systems. 00:52:22 numbering system? 00:52:25 s? 00:52:42 reading art of assembly. 00:52:43 :-p 00:52:47 hmm 00:52:54 heh 00:52:54 assembly as in asm? 00:53:30 yes. 00:53:35 i used to be able to read Hexidecimal ppc code and translate it into asm 00:53:47 --- nick: ink -> | 00:54:00 i wish i knew more about intel tho 00:54:06 --- nick: | -> ink 00:54:46 AoA goes through a lot of computing basics. 00:54:46 heh 00:54:57 AOA as in art of asm? 00:55:04 um, yes. 00:55:06 never heard of it? 00:55:09 o hehe now ic 00:55:12 actually yes 00:55:21 i have it on my HD... somewhere 00:55:26 http://webster.cs.ucr.edu/Page_asm/ArtOfAsm.html 00:56:06 i'm not big on programming though. heh. 00:56:10 i usually flip thru PDFs, and read about 3 pages in full and get bored 00:56:29 i love programming 00:56:34 but i never do it 00:56:40 lol 00:57:00 how do you enable colors in BX? 00:57:04 i love designing API's and algorithms, but i've never done anyhting constructive 00:57:25 oh got it 00:57:31 i took multiple cs courses in high school. pascal, visual basic, c/c++ 00:57:36 i didn't enjoy it very much. 00:57:43 neither do i 00:57:49 i'm taking them now 00:57:55 at a community college 00:58:16 Intro to Comp & Intro to Prog. were boring 00:58:21 haha 00:58:26 they don't let you start with Intro to Asm 00:58:28 introduction to computing. what a blast. 00:58:29 it sucks 00:58:36 i took that also. 00:59:05 learning about what a peripheral is. 00:59:06 heh 00:59:09 i could take it now that i've taken Intro2Prog but i'm taking Data Structs and Algo 00:59:19 instead 00:59:24 o boy 01:00:43 the visual basic class i took was pretty lame. it was the first time the instructor taught it, and he used a "visual basic for dummies" book. 01:00:59 omg 01:01:04 all we did mostly was design a ui for our program. 01:01:19 heh 01:01:28 and the program mostly consisted of basic arithmetic. 01:01:39 bleh. 01:01:40 * adu ponders 01:02:32 it was a fun experience nonetheless. 01:02:53 i love factorials 01:03:05 i just found out about the gamma function, its so cool 01:03:14 its like factorials for every real number 01:03:19 soooo cool 01:04:10 heh 01:04:27 like if you had five books on the shelf, you would have 120 different ways of arranging them? 01:04:31 that sort of stuff? 01:04:36 yup 01:04:41 ok 01:04:43 only thats combinatorics 01:04:54 which just happen to use factorials extensively 01:05:10 lol 01:05:11 i'm using factorials for something slightly different 01:06:17 i imagined a function that would return the number of n-dimensional constructors it would take to make an orthogonal m-dimensional object, where m > n 01:06:47 for example how many lines in a square, how make points on a cube 01:06:53 etc 01:07:23 and it turns out that, the combinatorial number C(n, r) : n > r 01:07:51 is defined as n!/(r!(n-r)!) 01:08:22 and the formula that i arived at for this lower-dimensional constructor function was: 01:08:50 2^(n-r) n!/(r!(n-r)!) 01:09:25 where D(n, r) is how many r-dimentional things it takes to build an n-dim. unit 01:09:47 so D(n,r) = 2^(n-r) * C(n, r) 01:09:50 cool huh? 01:12:01 books on a shelf would be an example of Permutations anyways 01:13:07 well, no. 5x4x3x2x1=120 01:13:14 isn't that a factorial? 01:13:18 at least a basic one. 01:13:18 heh 01:13:24 i just used an analogy. 01:13:41 for the first book, you have 5 choices to choose from 01:14:07 the next one you have 4 to choose from 01:14:36 but if you only are allowed to use 4 of the 5 books you have in your hands, then you have to use permutations 01:14:47 which is n!/(n-r)! 01:14:58 --- quit: nbsp (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 01:15:01 nono. 01:15:14 and when n = r, then n!/0! = n!/1 = n! so your right 01:15:17 the factorial of 5 is 5x4x3x2x1=120 01:15:26 that is the product of the factorial of 5. 120 01:15:34 right 01:15:54 but i'm saying that out of 5 books your placing all 5 back on the shelf 01:16:06 no, that was just a word sentence. 01:16:08 nothing more. 01:16:23 i know i'm being picky for the hell of it, i don't really give a shit 01:16:31 same as saying the factorial of 5 is 120. 01:17:19 not sure where you got permutations from. :-) 01:17:22 should i call signed-right=shift Ush or Ash? 01:17:56 permutations is a term for the way things combine with respect to what order they go in 01:18:07 like in a word 01:18:22 letters in a word could be thought of in terms of permutations 01:18:48 combinations is a term used for how things combine regardless of what order they go in 01:19:19 adu: ok, let me put it like this. if you had five books on the shelf, and wanted to know how many different ways there are to arrange them, then you would find the factorial of 5/. 01:19:23 like people on a team, or dice combinations in craps... hehe i love that game 01:19:37 ok 01:19:59 and you intended to use all 5 in the rearangement 01:20:05 :) 01:20:05 um, yes. :-) 01:20:07 hehe 01:20:08 of course. 01:20:20 * foofoo promptly drops it. 01:20:23 heh 01:20:34 what about ush? 01:20:45 ash v. ush, hmmm 01:20:55 i think ash is more common 01:21:09 but its my friend's name 01:21:14 its so wierd 01:21:29 o well 01:21:35 i have a friend thats a girl 01:21:47 her full name is Ashliegh 01:21:54 but we just call her ash 01:22:07 its spelled kinda wierd too 01:22:10 usually its Ashley 01:22:54 i think i should work on the vector support too.... 01:22:55 hmm 01:23:52 r u still there? 01:25:27 --- join: nbsp (g@dialup-64.158.88.196.Dial1.NewOrleans1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 01:25:57 adu: were u able to login? 01:26:04 nope 01:26:14 it didn't like the pw 01:28:36 hmm 01:28:45 im able to ftp in with yer account 01:31:15 what server again? 01:31:27 qzx.com 01:31:34 was my name adu? 01:31:39 andydude 01:31:43 oooooooooooo 01:31:44 hehehe 01:31:47 oops 01:31:50 thats what u told me to use 01:31:56 thanx i forgot 01:47:48 anybody here use the gimp? 01:47:56 i used to 01:48:01 i've used it. not frequently. 01:48:10 there is also a win32 build of GIMP. 01:48:18 damn. 01:48:26 I need to remove the green channel completely 01:48:29 but I can't =[ 01:48:37 I can ignore it, but not remove. 02:04:48 o shoot 02:04:55 wait 02:04:55 it says i'm in directory / 02:04:56 I got it 02:05:54 i'm going to bed 02:05:56 gnight 02:05:58 --- quit: adu () 02:11:39 --- join: IPmonger (tex@servus.delamancha.org) joined #osdev 03:07:11 --- quit: foofoo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:45:33 --- join: foofoo (~spinning@cpe-24-221-255-164.ut.sprintbbd.net) joined #osdev 04:00:15 oh damn that was funny 04:00:32 indeed. 04:00:39 all these stupid morons joined the same team and went around hacking the other teams base and capping the flag 04:00:46 even tho the other team was empty 04:01:09 so i joined their team and destroyed all their stuff and they voted to kick me 04:01:11 core wars? 04:01:17 tribes2 04:01:21 ah, ok. 04:01:25 you know what core wars are, right? 04:01:30 ya 04:01:33 ok, good. 04:01:41 never played it 04:01:42 :-) 04:01:54 yeah, it was old school. 04:02:16 1960s old school, even. 04:03:59 --- quit: foofoo ("GRUMBLE GRUMBLE.") 04:10:01 --- join: foofoo (~spinning@cpe-24-221-255-164.ut.sprintbbd.net) joined #osdev 04:12:28 --- join: CorsairK8 (~CorsairK8@pc-62-30-122-106-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 04:28:21 --- part: IPmonger left #osdev 04:51:10 --- quit: nbsp () 05:22:36 --- quit: foofoo () 05:54:50 --- join: jukka (jukka@MMMXXVI.hdyn.saunalahti.fi) joined #osdev 05:55:10 terve jukka 05:56:13 tervehdys 06:03:07 --- quit: jukka ("bbl 8..10 eet , prolly 8") 07:53:57 --- join: geist-hiptop (~ircuser@pool0447.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net) joined #osdev 07:54:15 Airports suck 07:54:56 * geist-hiptop is standing in line to get checked in at SFO 07:55:10 Its a huge clusterfuck 07:57:39 hey does anyone know how linux does its tasking? 07:57:52 is it a timer-driven context switcher ? 07:59:06 Probably, though unless you get a bunch of cpu bound processes. Must of the context switching will be a result of blocking on something 07:59:19 Er most 08:00:48 i see 08:01:11 what kinda overhead can i expect from changing tasks? 08:01:20 (im planning to have a 100hz tasker) 08:01:20 Some 08:01:29 On x86 I assume 08:01:34 indeed 08:01:38 how much? 08:02:04 Depends on if you're swapping memory contexts 08:02:39 But its some, not much in the grand scheme of things 08:02:49 Can't really help it 08:02:53 whats memory contects? 08:03:03 You can optimize 08:03:07 how? 08:03:18 Can't really explain because im standing in line at an airport 08:03:24 really? 08:03:29 Yes 08:03:34 on a laptop? 08:03:42 Hiptop 08:03:44 heh 08:03:46 Www.danger.com 08:03:48 cool 08:03:50 Where I work 08:03:53 i see 08:03:55 where ya going? 08:04:01 Its pretty rad 08:04:18 Headin to texas for vacation 08:04:27 Bout to have to go 08:04:43 ah 08:04:49 Head of line 08:05:07 im wondering how to implement a multiple address space tasker 08:05:27 Its been done 08:05:31 Look around 08:11:36 Damn 08:11:41 Got checked in 08:11:57 Now I have to stand in another line to get xrayes 08:12:04 Er xrayed 08:18:15 Oh well 08:18:22 Hopefully ill make it 08:20:41 oh 08:20:44 hee 08:23:17 --- quit: geist-hiptop (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:45:23 --- join: morton (r8te@ACA141DE.ipt.aol.com) joined #osdev 08:49:09 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@213.75.227.19) joined #osdev 08:49:32 hello Aardappel. 08:49:40 hi 08:49:43 do you know anything about creating VPL's? 08:49:54 yeah 08:50:11 look at my pages, quite a few VPL's there 08:51:31 hmm 08:51:37 so what is your opinion on vpl's in general? 08:51:44 are they effective interfaces to programming? 08:54:48 --- join: witten_ (witten@adsl-gte-la-216-86-210-121.mminternet.com) joined #osdev 08:56:15 --- quit: witten (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 09:09:35 --- join: WolfsBane (~Wolfen@mcns4.docsis187.singa.pore.net) joined #osdev 09:16:11 --- join: powerlinekid (powerlinek@cisco2-70.dialup.newpaltz.edu) joined #osdev 09:16:20 hi 09:20:04 i need some help 09:20:46 heh heh 09:20:50 power line kid 09:21:06 thats the name 09:21:34 why are all the channels so dead 09:21:38 * morton watches powerlinekid get schocked 09:21:40 shocked i mean 09:21:53 powerlinekid: most ppl here live on the west coast 09:22:04 damnit 09:22:09 this channel is usually active 9:00-12:00 western time 09:22:16 well 09:22:22 its 9:14 09:22:27 12:14 here 09:22:40 er 09:22:43 i meant PM 09:22:48 oh 09:22:52 hmm... 09:22:57 maybe i should find a european server 09:22:58 this channel is pretty dead most of the time though 09:22:58 lately 09:23:12 do you know any good os discussion channels anywhere? 09:23:18 like if it had 5 people that talk... 09:23:26 i'd be happy 09:23:40 or a good server 09:23:57 ask here but later 09:24:04 air is usually happy to respond 09:24:16 ok 09:24:39 i'm just trying to find some people to discuss a new os with at 12:16 pm eastern time 09:24:49 thanx though 09:24:57 what is your question? 09:25:03 are you writing an OS? 09:25:09 yeah 09:25:24 in what language? 09:25:24 --- join: nbsp (g@dialup-64.158.90.183.Dial1.NewOrleans1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 09:25:33 most likely c++ 09:25:45 microkernel? 09:25:49 posixish? 09:26:04 sort of a dual kernel system 09:26:12 i suppose technically a microkernel 09:26:45 if it ends up posix... then... ok 09:26:54 posix isn't really a priority 09:27:41 but you will have the standard syscall interface, right? 09:27:57 probably 09:28:03 i'm aiming for a beos type system 09:28:10 ah 09:28:20 the grace of mac with the power of unix 09:28:29 have you ever used NeXTStep? 09:28:34 it's kind of like that 09:28:38 no 09:28:41 yeah 09:28:43 so is atheos 09:29:07 however i have some other things i'd like to throw into it 09:29:27 like what? 09:30:15 clustering support built from the ground up 09:30:38 a new programming language... sort of like java/c# used natively 09:31:03 have you written any code for this yet? 09:31:20 nope 09:31:37 i'm starting following christmas 09:31:43 heh good luck 09:31:43 right now i'm laying down ideas 09:31:49 i know 09:31:52 this may take you all of 10 years 09:31:56 :P 09:31:56 haha 09:32:03 it's not as easy as you think 09:32:03 i'm young... i've got time 09:32:07 to implement all that 09:32:07 i know 09:32:25 thats why i'm taking the bsd approach 09:32:44 besides, all that you are doing has pretty much been done before 09:32:50 as opposed to the atheos, linux, corporate approach 09:32:56 yeah 09:32:59 except... 09:33:02 --- quit: nbsp ("ack, brb") 09:33:18 not many have incorporated everything i want to do with this 09:33:24 i suppose the closest is linux 09:33:30 but... i have issues with it 09:33:54 although windows is probably the closest 09:34:16 haha... it'd be nice to have more money than god to throw into this :-) 09:35:19 windows is the closets? 09:35:21 closest? 09:35:22 heh 09:35:35 yeah 09:35:39 i suppose win2k/xp 09:35:47 smp support is pretty good in it 09:35:51 --- quit: Aardappel (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 09:35:52 clustering is supposed to be 09:35:55 its easy to use 09:36:07 c# is a pretty cool language 09:36:16 nice gui 09:36:23 pretty smart configuration 09:36:30 although an ai system is also a goal 09:42:50 --- quit: powerlinekid () 09:44:18 --- join: nbsp (g@dialup-64.158.89.125.Dial1.NewOrleans1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 09:44:25 --- quit: gab (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 09:46:28 --- join: gab (~prfalken@gaia.chx-labs.org) joined #osdev 10:54:10 66 MHz SDRAM only 10:56:33 ??? 11:17:08 --- join: fatius (~troden@12-224-149-105.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 11:29:19 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@213.75.159.126) joined #osdev 11:38:13 --- quit: gab (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:38:28 --- join: gab (~prfalken@gaia.chx-labs.org) joined #osdev 11:39:35 --- join: jukka (jukka@MKCCLXX.hdyn.saunalahti.fi) joined #osdev 11:42:06 --- quit: CorsairK8 (Remote closed the connection) 12:09:06 --- part: notten left #osdev 12:14:27 * jukka is back 12:45:26 --- quit: morton () 12:51:01 --- quit: Aardappel ("http://wouter.fov120.com/") 12:52:51 --- quit: jukka ("i was either so lazy that i did not entered quit message or i was in hurry") 12:57:49 --- quit: WolfsBane (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:57:56 --- join: WolfsBane (~Wolfen@mcns4.docsis187.singa.pore.net) joined #osdev 13:00:25 --- quit: nbsp () 13:07:04 --- join: cykron (~cykron@host-209-215-28-218.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #osdev 13:07:40 Can anyone recomend a good book on operating system desgn 13:26:12 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@d212-151-39-99.swipnet.se) joined #osdev 13:28:23 --- quit: cykron ("[BX] Time wasted: 21m 37s") 13:38:42 quiet 14:19:02 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@213.75.226.66) joined #osdev 14:27:35 hi 14:29:17 --- join: witten__ (~witten@gw.la.creatureshop.henson.com) joined #osdev 14:30:03 witten 14:31:19 --- join: Mikaku (mikaku@ii-119.arrakis.es) joined #osdev 14:31:29 hi * :) 14:31:36 Hi 14:32:29 sup cookin 14:32:44 not much. 14:33:48 :) 14:35:02 any1 have support for dynamic ELF binaries on it's os? 14:36:48 you mean shared libraries ? 14:37:09 yes 14:37:28 ok. well - I don't :) 14:37:44 ops! hehe :) 14:37:48 almost! ;) 14:39:13 what OS are you workin' on ? 14:40:19 http://www.fiwix.org, yet another unix-like :) 14:40:55 ah, ok. 14:41:15 gee. no english version :) 14:41:49 tell me about it. 14:41:49 yes, i know. My english is still poor to have a good translation. 14:41:59 I'm trying to solve this situation. 14:42:03 You're just developing a kernel for the GNU OS ? 14:42:31 well, fiwix is a new kernel, for a GNU os. 14:43:00 "a GNU os"? To my knowledge there's only ONE GNU OS :) 14:43:01 it's main goal is that it's keeps fully binary compatibility with linux kernel. 14:43:16 GNU is ONE os :) 14:43:39 only one gnu os? which? 14:43:51 GNU 14:43:57 "GNU" is a OS. 14:44:05 Linux is just the kernel, same for Hurd. 14:44:13 GNU is not an os. 14:44:23 GNU/Hurd and GNU/Linux is really the same OS, just different kernels. 14:44:28 Yes, it is. 14:44:50 GNU is not an os, it 's a set of os utilities. 14:45:34 you are wrong 14:45:44 why? 14:46:03 look at www.gnu.org 14:46:23 hey cookin 14:46:45 The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop a complete Unix-like operating system which is free software: the GNU system. (GNU is a recursive acronym for ``GNU's Not Unix''; it is pronounced "guh-NEW".) Variants of the GNU operating system, which use the kernel Linux, are now widely used; though these systems are often referred to as ``Linux'', they are more accurately called GNU/Linux systems. 14:47:32 and OS have one kernel and one set of utilities on user space, ok?. 14:47:43 well, folowing this concept ... 14:48:00 the kernel makes no OS. 14:48:20 if anyone makes a kernel (says Linux kernel) and uses the GNU utilities ... 14:48:24 this one will have an GNU/Linux. 14:48:37 GNU(utilities in user space) + Linux (kernel). 14:48:44 the same for my os. 14:48:45 --- quit: torquil (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 14:48:48 --- join: torquil (~mac@dial-216-12-43-53.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 14:48:52 GNU(utilities in user space) + Fiwix (kernel). 14:49:06 yeah - but GNU *IS* an OS. 14:49:15 no. 14:49:22 "Linux is normally used in a combination with the GNU operating system: the system is basically GNU, with Linux functioning as the kernel. " 14:49:27 GNU without a kernel, is nothing!. 14:49:40 and a kernels without a set of utilities is nothing too. 14:49:41 well, you're wrong. EOD! 14:50:26 EOF = ? 14:50:34 EOD =? 14:51:01 End Of Deliberation? :) 14:51:13 End of Discussion. 14:51:28 You should really make a english translation of the homepage. 14:51:49 better with bad english than no english, I guess. 14:51:59 yes, i know. 14:52:31 but this os is not fully focused to the whole world. 14:52:34 oh. You can run BASH and such things in it ? 14:52:49 yes 14:53:00 awsome. 14:53:03 support for SMP ? 14:53:17 hehe, not yet. 14:53:28 but it is designed for SMP ? 14:53:46 no. 14:53:57 well. sorry to hear. :) 14:54:07 you'll have a hell of a job to adapt it to SMP later on :) 14:54:24 figured. 14:54:35 but this is not the main priority at this time. 14:54:47 Did you port glibc, or do you just use the Linux version of it ? 14:55:28 all of the software runnable, is compiled statically (at this time) from Linux. 14:55:54 i'm working to have dynamic support. 14:56:15 what license do you use? GPL ? 14:56:18 you guys all making unix clones? :) 14:56:33 witten_: they havent seen the light :) 14:57:09 hehe 14:57:24 the license is nothing to worry about. Once I have a stable kernel, i will decide. 14:57:36 probably GPL. yes. 14:57:38 you have not yet released the sources to it ? 14:57:52 not yet. 14:58:33 So what you are doing is just writing a clone of the *free* Linux 1.2 kernel ? 14:58:49 with really no new features or advantages ? 14:59:18 No, I'm not dissing you, I'm just wondering :) 14:59:39 no new features, but any advantages. 14:59:40 it will be a basically-educational os. 15:00:07 for now, it's just a good challenge. :) 15:00:16 ah - ok. But it soulds like you are doing the same mistakes as the Linux project did. 15:00:25 like designing the kernel without thinking about SMP. 15:00:59 well, this is a "utopia". 15:01:20 what is a utopia ? 15:01:35 a kernel with multiprocessor support ? 15:02:02 please, give me time. i dont think in english! :) 15:02:14 neither do I :) 15:02:20 no, what i try to say is ... 15:03:28 dont think about some feature that is trivial in these days, dont means a lack in any development. 15:03:55 (bad english, i know) 15:04:15 good multiprocessor support is *not* trivial. 15:04:30 except if you do it with funneling. 15:04:41 (a.k.a. giant-lock, global-lock, ...) 15:05:58 hmm 15:06:14 if i upgrade to glibc 2.2 will it break apps linked to 2.1? 15:06:24 maybe in 10 years, it will appear a new technology applicable to all of the OS. Some people will think and find lacking of this technology in the new projects in this epoch. 15:06:49 but this is not a project mistake. 15:07:18 there existed multiprocessor systems when the Linux project started. 15:07:41 whatever. no need to discuss this. 15:07:41 cookin: sorry, too much difficult for me express my words. :( 15:07:59 np! 15:08:55 :) 15:09:41 cookin: btw, have you working on your own os? 15:09:57 * fatius laughs 15:10:01 No OS, but a microkernel. 15:10:29 aha 15:10:49 www.rtmk.org 15:11:39 cookin: looks cool. 15:12:54 Mikaku: I'm impressed with your work. Pretty cool that you have so many "real" applications running. 15:14:47 thanks cookin, but 3 years of work to reach this situation. :( 15:15:05 hehe, yeah. 15:15:20 :) 15:16:12 i remember these days when fiwix was only a 512 bytes sector on a floppy disk, and display "hello inutil!" :) 15:16:58 inutil is "world" in spanish? :) 15:17:11 heheheh no no!! 15:17:45 sorry, inutil means ... hhmm ... "no usable person" (more or less) 15:17:58 ah. ok. 15:18:08 "hello cookin!" you mean :) 15:18:18 --- join: DRF (spamlikedf@host213-121-69-64.surfport24.v21.co.uk) joined #osdev 15:18:33 is a word that I use to call to myself or some friends. But I use with very "honney" :) 15:18:34 drf 15:18:41 Hi 15:19:16 hmm. damn. I hate deadlocks 15:19:52 I should not have choosen this fine-grained locking thingy .. 15:20:01 Got that part of the OS working that you were playing with last night? 15:20:16 no, not really. rewriting the scheduler right now. 15:20:38 and I have to think up a new scheduling algorithm for the timeshare policy 15:21:23 cookin: how to test your kernel?. I mean have you a floppy image or something ...? 15:21:36 no. nothing like that. 15:21:50 I will create a floopy when I have something interresting stuff to show the world. 15:22:17 and with the amount of spare time I have, that will be like in 10 years or so. 15:22:31 But you can look at some screenshots from my GUI :) 15:22:33 I know have an ever growing pile of source code thanks to you cookin ;-) 15:22:37 ah ok. 15:22:42 hehehe yes! 15:23:02 screenshots? hmm ... 15:23:04 http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/crust/ 15:23:14 i'm working on a GUI parallell with the kernel. 15:23:24 so someday, when I have a working kernel + os, I will have GUI running on it :) 15:24:05 but, and the drivers? 15:24:24 I'm currently developing the GUI under GNU/Hurd. 15:24:36 screenshots are very nice! 15:24:38 since it's very similar to what my OS will be. 15:25:00 Once you have a pile of source code just what do you do with it to make it like run/output some thing? (Just 2 try and make a pre built example OS I found) 15:25:19 read the sources, understand them. 15:25:21 learn stuff :) 15:25:42 I wish that emacs could spell-check just the comments in my sources. 15:26:15 why this project is on fsf? 15:26:21 are you a fsf member? 15:26:37 not really. but I have contributet to the GNU project. 15:26:49 look at http://savanna.gnu.org/ 15:27:05 they have a sourceforge clone that is available to the public. 15:27:11 hmm... full featured man! :) 15:28:20 i see. 15:28:29 cookin, Well to phrase it better I really was trying to say. How do you build an image from a pile of source code? 15:28:49 Software needed? 15:28:52 i like the crust look. 15:29:00 DRF: depends on what you are trying to build. 15:29:58 What would you recommend? 15:31:02 I'm trying to find someplace to start and compiling (or what ever it is called in this case) some example source I thought would be some place to start 15:31:04 cookin: excuse me, but i still dont know how you will implement the video drivers? 15:31:21 Mikaku: using simple framebuffer drivers. 15:31:44 currently, they live in user space, since Hurd have no framebuffer device. 15:31:55 ahh vesa. 15:32:03 no, not vesa. 15:32:19 i poke and peek at the hardware directly :) 15:32:27 it's a hell of a job. 15:32:44 something like /dev/vga? 15:32:48 DRF: you need a C compiler, assembler and linker and such. 15:32:59 Mikaku: something like /dev/fb0 in Linux. 15:33:12 but fb0 in linux uses vesa, no? 15:33:17 no. 15:33:20 *thinks* like getting DJGPP? 15:33:28 yeah. 15:33:36 download the whole cygwin distro. 15:33:38 (In windows at the moment else I would use gcc) 15:33:55 well 15:34:20 I sugesst the following; download NewOS. untar the package. and just run "make" in the newos directory :) 15:34:42 newos? 15:35:06 Mikaku: http://newos.sf.net/ 15:35:12 Ok, I have the NewOS source here already so thats easy 15:35:18 ok, thanks. :) 15:36:15 wow ext2 support!! good! :) 15:38:27 Ok, unzipped the NewOS source in2 a folder. 15:38:48 well - you're runder windows now? 15:38:56 and you have not cygwin installed ? 15:39:10 At the moment (really should have booted in2 linux though thinking on it) 15:39:33 yeah. 15:39:43 you're doomed if you're under windows without cygwin 15:39:49 So what would be the next step under windows (or is it certainly a reboot?) 15:40:11 just run make if you have cygwin installed. 15:40:13 cygwin you say. I'll try to track it down. 15:40:17 * Mikaku is downloading the floppy image ... 15:40:23 DJGPP site is this? 15:40:36 no, http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ I think 15:41:51 --- join: DF (spamlikedf@host213-121-66-163.surfport24.v21.co.uk) joined #osdev 15:42:00 sorry, connection dropped 15:42:24 * Mikaku is running the floppy image ... 15:42:37 *waits for the server to otice that DRF has gone* 15:42:44 notice^ 15:43:24 --- quit: DRF (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 15:43:30 :9 15:43:33 :) 15:44:09 the scroll-lock led is turned on during boot. Feature or bug? 15:44:35 --- nick: DF -> DRF 15:44:58 no idea 15:46:41 newos is something yours? 15:48:12 ugh 15:48:44 Downloading cygwin now (I hope at least) 15:48:53 well, i mean, if newos is a work of cookin? 15:49:33 *thinks should put all of these new tools on to CD later* 15:49:44 has anyone here upgrade glibc 2.1.3 to 2.2.x? 15:49:47 Mikaku: no 15:50:04 Mikaku: it's developer by a fella called geist on IRC. 15:50:33 #newos channel 15:50:52 ah ok. good job. 15:50:59 it seems a unix-like kernel. 15:51:15 air: why you need to upgrade to 2.2.x? 15:52:13 brb, off 2 play with some hardware and to find a coffee 15:54:21 Mikaku: i need to run some apps that require it 15:54:49 what distribution do you have? 15:54:58 redhat 15:55:48 glibc > 2.1.3 conflicts with db3-3.1.17-4.6x 15:55:48 glibc >= 2.1.92 conflicts with rpm-4.0.2-6x 15:55:48 libdb.so.2 is needed by rpm-4.0.2-6x 15:55:48 libdb.so.2(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by rpm-4.0.2-6x 15:55:48 libdb.so.3 is needed by perl-5.00503-2 15:55:49 libdb.so.3(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by perl-5.00503-2 15:56:24 what application? 15:56:38 that isnt important 15:57:06 have you tried to download *.src.rpm of that application? 15:57:23 the one only comes in binary 15:57:37 the others are src and require glibc 2.2.2 15:57:39 er 15:57:41 2.2.x 15:58:23 --- quit: cookin (Remote closed the connection) 16:00:32 have you tried to link 2.1.3 to 2.2.x and ldconfig? (or something) 16:03:50 rpm doesn't check for files like that, it just checks to see if it has the rpms that provided the files. (at least the old rpm worked like that) 16:05:45 --- nick: DRF -> DRFaway 16:06:43 sometimes rpm it's exccesively strict, i have installed some apps with "--force" and runs fine. 16:06:59 i used --nodeps so i hope it works 16:08:33 --- quit: torquil (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 16:09:49 gotta sleep. 16:09:55 good night to all. 16:10:12 --- quit: Mikaku ("syncing...") 16:14:20 --- join: torquil (~mac@c1s3m30.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 16:33:02 hmm 16:33:25 i can run programs as root but i get glibc errors if i run them as a user 17:00:06 air: weird, i take it you ran ldconfig? although i don't see why that would help. 17:04:10 --- part: DRFaway left #osdev 17:09:51 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@d212-151-103-99.swipnet.se) joined #osdev 17:14:36 wzup? 17:27:32 quiet, dead, and so forth 17:42:00 gaboo! 17:42:36 yeah 17:45:20 ugh 17:45:24 hi air 17:45:30 stupid rpmfind went and got slow on me 17:45:50 i get to download 30meg at 1k/s 17:49:27 i'm implementing a FIFO scheduler 17:54:27 now im pissed 17:54:35 rpmfind banned me 17:57:11 FIFO? 17:57:36 yeah, fifo. 17:57:43 also known as "first-come first-served" 17:57:46 wouldnt that kinda defeat the purpose of scheduling 17:57:58 not really. 17:58:05 --- quit: fatius (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 17:58:07 it defeats timesharing though 17:58:22 why would u do that? 17:58:40 --- join: fatius (~troden@12-224-149-105.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 17:58:40 it is a common real-time scheduling policy 17:58:42 thats pretty much like coop 17:59:11 cuz other tasks cant execute until the current task terms or reschedules itself 17:59:20 not ALL threads/processes should have the FIFO policy. 17:59:31 all "normal" threads should use the timesharing policy. 17:59:40 some, time critical threads can use either the FIFO or the RR policy. 17:59:42 uhh 18:00:47 i prefer the RR hurry-up-and-die method 18:01:15 well - it is up to the user/application writer. 18:01:37 the Minimal Real-time thingy in POSIX recuires a FIFO scheduling policy 18:01:44 --- quit: witten__ ("bye") 18:12:07 --- quit: Aardappel ("http://wouter.fov120.com/") 18:27:53 --- quit: fatius (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 18:30:13 --- quit: cookin ("Client Exiting") 18:39:48 --- join: morton (r8te@AC9E818B.ipt.aol.com) joined #osdev 18:56:50 oh boy 18:56:57 i think i just screwed over rpm 18:57:48 heh 18:57:58 corrupted the rpm database? :) 18:58:04 dunno 19:00:24 hmm 19:00:38 rpm-qa dumps all the installed rpms with no errors 19:01:10 but when i try to upgrade a package it spits out db1 errors and dies 19:04:43 air, do you still play CS? 19:18:36 --- nick: witten_ -> witten 19:19:11 morton: no 19:19:56 what games do you play now mostly? 19:20:05 i never play cs 19:20:50 only timed i played it was with nate, trans and some others from #osdev 19:21:22 i play tfc, t2 and dod 19:23:40 libgcc >= 3.0.1-3 is needed by gcc3-3.0.1-3 19:24:05 oops 19:27:24 heh 19:59:41 jeez 20:00:17 i decide to upgrade netscape and install a couple apps and i end up upgrading my entire box 20:01:47 heh 20:02:03 current distro/package management systems aren't that good 20:02:11 you need to make a really good, easy to use one for brix :P 20:04:32 brix has a good one 20:04:44 but i think debian's is similair 20:29:52 --- quit: ink (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 20:30:58 --- join: ink (~ink@user-vcauuka.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 20:31:22 damnit 20:53:32 --- quit: morton () 20:54:14 ok guys I just finished my 2nd comic strip :) 20:54:21 cool 20:54:28 I still need too see the first one 20:54:30 url? 20:54:37 http://pixel.torsion.org 21:06:00 heh 21:15:57 i don't - rally ... get it 21:16:08 s/rally/really 21:20:18 here! 21:22:56 trans: why not? :) 21:25:06 --- quit: air (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 21:27:03 ummmm... 21:27:34 maybe i'm just expecting too much 21:28:29 from what, stick figure art? :) 21:40:06 --- join: air (brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 21:42:31 mo 21:42:53 i just can't see the joke 21:42:54 mr. mo??? 21:42:59 SO FAR NO GOOD 21:43:00 no 21:43:03 hehehe 21:43:10 dvorak 21:46:56 fo! 21:47:03 =) 21:47:12 no u didnt read both comics? 21:47:26 yes i did 21:47:34 seqencially 21:47:36 what dont u understand? 21:48:11 g0d is a script kiddie that rooted the main characters box 21:48:14 i get what happens i just don't find it funny 21:48:30 trans: mmkay, my apologies for wasting your time :) 21:48:43 no waste 21:48:53 i thought it was funny 21:49:04 cool :) 21:49:07 i would have just wasted them myself 21:49:07 it probably hits to close to home for u 21:49:14 hehe 21:49:18 which is why u dont find it funny 21:49:22 heheh 21:49:27 tr4ns 21:49:52 is konqueer any good? 21:50:29 konqueror? 21:50:39 :) 21:50:48 not really 21:51:30 galeon rulez! 21:51:42 it's ok for file browsing but mozilla is better for web 21:53:21 mozzila is not good for anything 21:53:30 too damn slow 21:53:46 GALEON 21:53:56 gal: requires gnome 21:53:59 er 21:54:02 galeon does 21:54:07 does it? 21:54:15 or just gnome libs? 21:54:55 Galeon is a GNOME Web browser based on gecko 21:55:42 when the gnome libs are used they create files in ~ 21:56:05 god damn dirs with recursive links 21:56:19 i will NEVER install gnome libs on my machines again 21:56:24 heh 21:56:28 it's worth it for a good browser 21:56:38 xv rm'd ~ when i deleted .gnome/ with it 21:58:09 and why does galeon need the bloated mozilla installed? 22:00:01 because galeon use's mozilla's rendering engine 22:00:07 without all of mozilla's bloated interface 22:00:10 or any of it 22:07:18 yes but why does it REQUIRE mozilla to be installed 22:07:45 because without it you won't be able to render pages? 22:07:47 they should bundle galeon with whatever it needs 22:07:57 oh ok] 22:08:02 I see what you're sayin 22:08:18 why should i have to install the bloat if i dont use it 22:10:31 because you use some of it 22:10:37 like a library 22:16:06 do u use the news reader? the mail stuff? the browser interface? 22:17:03 nope 22:17:47 any idea what libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is? 22:23:45 --- join: adu (~andrew@dsl-64-130-166-225.telocity.com) joined #osdev 22:24:38 hmm 22:29:23 hooo 22:32:10 it's part of gcc 22:32:17 for c++ 22:33:25 yup konqueer does suck 22:35:50 it uses asteriks for · 22:37:49 ? 22:37:51 trans!! 22:38:00 i can't upload to qzx 22:40:02 qzx is airs 22:40:28 ftp://jabberwocky.hn.org 22:45:24 adu: why not? 22:45:38 dunno 22:45:43 it says login failed 22:45:55 trans: can i upload anonymous? 22:46:18 yes 22:47:14 yey! 22:47:18 its called PLAN 22:47:59 its just notes 22:48:07 but its all i could scrounge up 22:48:42 adu: i will look at it in a while 22:48:44 thx 22:48:53 adu: i have been upgrading every package today 22:49:00 trans: you see it in pub yet? 22:49:06 something might have broke 22:49:23 might have broke? 22:49:26 why would it have? 22:49:39 o you mean if it didn't work? 22:49:42 ic 22:49:47 hey guess what? 22:50:04 i did another math "rediscovery" today 22:50:37 i found out that the formuals and piramid i've been working on for the past few weeks are known as "Stirling's Numbers" 22:50:51 what a drag 22:52:01 hehe 22:52:16 i hate it when that happens 22:54:18 remember 2 months ago i "rediscovered" lagrange's interpolation formula 22:54:33 its nice to know its like that tho 22:54:43 to know that they aren't just making all the rules up for no reason 22:55:34 hmmm... 22:55:54 trans: see anything odd yet? 22:55:55 cradle of filth isn't half bad 22:56:17 cradle? 22:56:27 ? 22:56:32 ? 22:57:23 there music video was on stiles project a few years back 22:57:39 o ok 22:57:48 freaky goth band 22:58:41 well... bye 22:58:45 bye 22:59:09 --- nick: trans -> transholi 22:59:23 holiday? 22:59:30 yup 22:59:35 :) 23:04:18 --- join: RobotBebop (trilluser@clwk01m04-27.bctel.ca) joined #osdev 23:04:24 --- part: RobotBebop left #osdev 23:06:12 WOO 23:06:19 raining outside ya 23:06:21 y 23:06:30 hehe 23:06:32 yaya 23:06:38 been raining on and off all day 23:06:40 and i'm rereading LOTRs yay 23:06:57 heh 23:07:00 heh 23:07:04 and xmas is soon yay 23:07:15 w00t 23:07:15 and i need to work on my eagle project soon ehh yay 23:07:20 hehe 23:07:25 what is your project? 23:07:34 and lennie has sent strip a few days ago yay 23:07:40 www.nate37.net/eagleproj 23:08:34 heh cool 23:09:59 nate37: btw, it looks like i have a static ip 23:10:09 ooh 23:10:10 air: cool 23:10:10 it hasnt changed since att converted 23:10:11 cool 23:10:28 even tho that idiot told me it would change every 4-5 days 23:10:34 air: what are you hoping to get for christmas? 23:10:42 they did the same to me 23:10:43 nate37: a new lung 23:10:51 "It changes every year or so" 23:10:51 cool 23:12:57 ugh 23:13:14 ? 23:13:17 these new libraries are full of bugs 23:13:23 heh 23:13:33 /usr/local/include/bits/waitflags.h:21:3: #error "Never include direct 23:14:14 and its nested 23:14:39 6 gcc files before that file was included 23:14:50 dont look like a direct include to me :) 23:21:54 hmm? 23:22:24 heh 23:44:21 hmm 23:52:22 --- join: nbsp (g@dialup-64.158.89.109.Dial1.NewOrleans1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/01.12.20