00:02:35 --- log: started osdev/01.12.31 00:02:35 --- quit: clog (Leaving) 00:02:35 --- log: stopped osdev/01.12.31 00:02:56 --- log: started osdev/01.12.31 00:02:56 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #osdev 00:02:56 --- topic: 'Operating System DEVelopement || osdev docs: qzx.com/lib || www.osdev.org || osdev people: qzx.com/osdev' 00:02:56 --- topic: set by ChanServ on [Mon Dec 17 18:37:31 2001] 00:02:56 --- names: list (clog IPmonger geist-sleep dj2 daxy SegFault torquil gab FastJack nate37 air gremlin transohol) 00:34:46 --- join: witten (witten@adsl-gte-la-216-86-210-121.mminternet.com) joined #osdev 00:41:04 --- quit: witten ("bye") 00:54:59 --- part: dj2 left #osdev 01:56:37 --- join: df (yakumo@p205-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 02:01:37 --- quit: df (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:01:37 --- quit: SegFault (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:02:00 --- join: df (yakumo@p205-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 02:02:00 --- join: SegFault (~ben@h0020af25039b.ne.mediaone.net) joined #osdev 02:08:49 wow, outforce has a nice cheat 02:09:20 u can select every object on the map (yers and the enemies) and turn them all off 02:11:18 heh 02:14:29 back 02:16:40 i'll show those little fsckers 02:16:52 ? 02:17:23 on map 10 they continuously send ships to my base 02:17:27 one after another 02:17:42 and they come in storms 02:18:23 i can painfully hold them off but eventually my miners eat holes in the asteroid belts that form natural walls around my base 02:18:37 and then they storm me thru the holes making it harder to defend 02:19:04 so i stopped all units and im dragging THEIR walls around my base 02:19:13 they wont attack their own walls 02:21:05 heh 02:50:14 i don't see why this isn't working 02:51:43 take the condom off and try a little harder. 02:52:03 well, the question wasn't sex related :P 02:52:11 actualy there wasn't even a question yet 02:52:13 heh 02:56:39 well i'm trying to make a multiboot stub with the gnu assembler... but for some reason it doesn't work and i can't see where i screwed up 02:57:29 omg this is stupid 02:57:30 nm 02:57:36 hmm a multiboot stub is peice of piss. 02:57:59 cept i always did them in nasm 02:59:05 i think i need to rebuild my binutils 02:59:23 -oformat elf32-i386 <-- is the option for elf output right? 02:59:30 yeah 02:59:59 did you stick it all in the .text segment? 03:00:25 and elf files start with an ELF sig right 03:00:57 it only takes 4 lines for a valid multiboot header 03:01:01 i know 03:01:17 actualy only 2 if you're using elf 03:01:21 eeh 03:01:22 3 03:01:36 well 4 if you include an align 03:01:52 align, header magic, flags, crc 03:01:56 5 if you include a label 03:02:03 hehe 03:03:04 sometime soon i'll be adding pe/coff/le support to grub. make things easier for more people.... 03:03:31 bah 03:03:38 aout & elf are enough if you ask me 03:04:09 not for all the djgpp users, watcom uses and visual studio users :> i'm so sick of emails on booting non elf kernels. 03:04:34 visual studio shouldn't be used for os development 03:04:37 watcom can output elf 03:04:45 and djgpp can output elf aswell 03:05:31 default djgpp cant output elf, watcoms elf is broken prior to 11 (i've not tested 11x yet). and youd be surprised at how many ppl try and use vis-studio for osdev. 03:06:03 --- quit: gab (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:06:07 vs is for windows dev only 03:06:14 no bcc users? 03:06:15 heh 03:06:58 you can create stand alone apps in vs not tied to any windows stuff. quite easy to do. you just get a PE file output thats all. 03:07:21 but still... 03:07:22 pe... 03:07:53 pe is a good file format. supports all the same stuff as elf. and is just as complex 03:08:12 meh 03:08:12 as far as functionality goes, pe and elf are much the same. 03:08:33 pe is like... windows only... 03:08:47 and? 03:08:57 it's made by ms? 03:10:17 bbl 03:10:29 the standard was agreed on (iirc) by ms + several big unix players. afaik, ist standardised the same as elf. ieee or ecma or whatever 03:11:40 oh well, i'm happy with grub as it is now 03:13:17 grub is pretty much a mini os now.. 03:13:47 ip stacks, netbooting. arp/rarp servers 03:20:38 i love it 03:20:38 heh 03:21:35 yeah okuji is doing some good work on it 03:23:30 rebuilding my binutils 03:23:42 --enable-targets=all 03:23:43 hehe 03:23:55 going to take ages 03:26:04 beh this is just overkill 03:26:48 bbl 03:30:44 --- join: yuriz (~yuriz@rcr.teraflops.com) joined #osdev 03:44:38 --- join: corsairk8 (~CorsairK8@pc-62-30-122-106-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 05:28:49 --- join: Aardappel (~Aardappel@213.75.226.118) joined #osdev 05:28:51 --- quit: df (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:38:15 --- join: Mathis (~yes@gstw-3e36c80d.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 06:38:18 hiyall 06:41:42 --- quit: Mathis (Client Quit) 06:44:32 --- quit: torquil (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06:44:37 --- join: torquil (~mac@216.12.52.251) joined #osdev 07:16:13 --- quit: Aardappel ("http://wouter.fov120.com/") 07:30:56 --- nick: geist-sleep -> geist 07:43:33 --- join: AlanC (~alan@067.a.001.brs.iprimus.net.au) joined #osdev 07:48:26 --- part: AlanC left #osdev 07:58:18 --- join: Sliver (Sliver@node-c-1c6a.a2000.nl) joined #osdev 08:05:29 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@gstw-3e36c815.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 08:05:30 re 08:07:29 * geist waves 08:08:48 * Mathis not 08:09:06 hmm 08:16:31 * daxy waves 08:16:46 * Mathis not 08:38:14 * Sliver does 08:39:04 ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmooooohh 08:39:09 ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmooooohh 08:40:07 ahhhahahahahaa! hihihihheeeee.... 08:41:07 --- quit: Mathis ("have a nice life") 09:04:08 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@213.75.158.243) joined #osdev 09:43:29 --- quit: Aardappel (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:00:08 --- quit: torquil ("Reconnecting") 10:00:13 --- join: torquil (~mac@c2s12m34.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 10:12:45 --- nick: transohol -> trans 10:12:54 morning 10:19:25 --- quit: torquil ("i blame this on Apple Computing and jkh") 10:25:52 --- join: torquil (~mac@c3s10m28.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 11:37:28 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@213.75.227.102) joined #osdev 11:56:39 --- quit: corsairk8 (Remote closed the connection) 12:02:02 --- nick: trans -> transtone 12:07:16 --- quit: torquil ("There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast.") 12:08:59 --- join: torquil (~mac@c3s10m28.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 12:34:58 --- join: dj2 (~zero@CPE0000B4AB2572.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #osdev 12:41:08 --- quit: dj2 ("off to see the wizard") 13:02:04 --- join: foofoo (~spinning@cpe-24-221-255-164.ut.sprintbbd.net) joined #osdev 13:54:04 --- quit: Aardappel ("http://wouter.fov120.com/") 13:59:00 --- join: dj2 (~zero@CPE0000B4AB2572.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #osdev 14:02:28 --- quit: daxy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:22:03 --- part: dj2 left #osdev 15:33:38 --- quit: torquil ("Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation.") 15:35:15 --- join: torquil (~mac@c3s10m28.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 15:44:17 --- join: wossname (meh@Toronto-ppp225673.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 15:49:55 --- nick: IPmonger -> IPmonger_partying 16:12:01 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@213.75.227.229) joined #osdev 16:42:26 --- join: _ruiner_ (blah@ppp049.lax.centurytel.net) joined #osdev 16:43:00 --- quit: wossname ("That'll be 2 and a half brains, sir. Or 3 and 1/4 canadian brains.") 16:45:42 --- quit: _ruiner_ (Client Quit) 17:10:40 --- join: corsairk8 (~CorsairK8@pc-62-30-122-106-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 17:46:23 --- join: nyef (nyef@1Cust16.tnt20.bos2.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 17:46:43 --- join: ink (~ink@user-vcauv59.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 17:46:52 re 17:49:27 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@gstw-3e36cece.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 17:49:29 hiyall 17:54:02 --- quit: Mathis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:08:13 --- quit: Aardappel ("http://wouter.fov120.com/") 18:13:43 --- quit: clog (^C) 18:13:43 --- log: stopped osdev/01.12.31 18:14:04 --- log: started osdev/01.12.31 18:14:04 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #osdev 18:14:04 --- topic: 'Operating System DEVelopement || osdev docs: qzx.com/lib || www.osdev.org || osdev people: qzx.com/osdev' 18:14:04 --- topic: set by ChanServ on [Mon Dec 17 18:37:31 2001] 18:14:04 --- names: list (clog ink nyef corsairk8 torquil foofoo Sliver yuriz SegFault IPmonger_partying geist FastJack nate37 air gremlin transtone) 18:31:55 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@gstw-3e36cece.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 18:31:59 ew 18:32:01 re 18:43:03 ewre? 18:43:11 is that a new breed of ewok? 18:43:51 where's george lucas when you need him. 18:46:23 heh 18:51:07 rerouting control to main machine control computer...done 18:52:07 MCC: connecting neural network to main control...done 18:52:39 MCC: initializing MC process...done 18:53:02 MCC: selftest...done 18:53:49 MCC up and running 19:01:42 --- join: muesli (~muesli@pD9E0AAFE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 19:07:29 --- quit: Mathis ("have a nice life") 19:32:12 poopy 19:32:44 whee 19:32:48 hehehe 19:34:43 transtone, aye? 19:34:45 fun 19:43:56 --- quit: corsairk8 ("- [ Quitting Server - Reason : None - Priority : High ] -") 19:44:10 --- join: corsairk8 (~CorsairK8@pc-62-30-122-106-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 19:45:20 * transtone invites ink over for new years 19:45:27 yay 19:45:29 * ink comes 19:45:47 * ink busts out hi map 19:45:56 okay, first of all.... what state? =P 19:46:04 BC 19:46:11 feck 19:46:21 wrong vowel 19:46:23 i got extra special weed 19:46:24 fuck. 19:46:28 ooooh hehe 19:46:52 extra $5 for eight 19:47:03 hehe 19:47:09 still has resin 19:47:10 =) 19:47:16 how much did that cost up in canada? 19:47:22 $40 19:47:40 for an 1/8? 19:47:45 yes 19:47:55 * ink moves to canada 19:47:55 that's expensive 19:48:23 ony half a bottle of gin left 19:48:26 =( 19:48:37 brb 19:50:45 heh 19:50:54 hah 19:51:09 also, remember the transfer rate 19:51:24 if you're coming from us, that is 19:52:19 yeah so that is $30 USD 19:52:33 bbl 19:52:35 yay! 19:52:45 * ink downloads phish vcds! 19:52:51 tapes of concerts 19:53:12 * geist finds it hilarious that weed and phish were mentioned within a couple of minutes of each other. connection? 19:53:23 vcd quality 19:53:28 lol 19:56:54 * geist plays some more dark age of camelot 20:00:08 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@d212-151-40-23.swipnet.se) joined #osdev 20:00:30 any other pathetic souls awake ? 20:00:54 * geist yawns 20:01:07 hi 20:01:19 yeah, you have not yet turned 2002 ? 20:01:35 4more hours 20:01:55 I got a SMS from a friend when I woke up. 20:02:02 he's in sidney! 20:02:17 they are 9 hours earlier then US, and 18 hours earlier than you I guess. 20:02:27 but who cares. 20:02:38 yeah 20:02:44 I have just played "Devil May Cry" on PS2 all day 20:02:52 awsome game 20:02:54 heh, good one 20:03:34 when it turned 2002 i went out for five minutes and watched the fireworkes 20:03:41 then right back infront of the TV. 20:03:43 great day :) 20:11:16 geist: how was your vacation ? 20:12:08 pretty good. just hung out with the family 20:12:11 didn't touch a computer 20:12:14 it was super 20:12:23 sounds great. 20:12:46 if haven't really "touched" my computer very much either lately. 20:12:48 Hi everyone 20:12:52 Happy New Year 20:13:11 yeah, I'm afraid I may be burning out 20:13:34 Only 50 minutes left! 20:14:46 well 20:14:56 i have not been feeling very well lately 20:15:03 since I have no job and nothing to do and such things 20:15:14 I really hop I can start to do some studing this spring 20:15:25 yeah 20:15:34 --- quit: corsairk8 ("- [ Quitting Server - Reason : None - Priority : High ] -") 20:17:03 i'm thinking about getting some zoloft or some other "happy pills" 20:20:16 "there's always an easy way out" :) 20:23:27 --- quit: SegFault ("BitchX by any other name is still BitchX") 20:26:34 --- join: gpf (~ben@h0020af25039b.ne.mediaone.net) joined #osdev 20:28:01 heh 20:30:47 --- nick: gpf -> SegFault 20:31:13 --- nick: SegFault -> gpf 20:39:50 --- join: morton (lwz@ACAFE33D.ipt.aol.com) joined #osdev 20:39:53 w00t 20:39:59 new years eve irc party! 20:40:01 * morton runs around naked 20:41:58 hehehe 20:44:00 go to any parties, trans? 20:44:33 just the great big one in my head 20:44:38 =) 20:44:48 hehe 20:44:52 same here 20:44:56 i am having great fun by myself 20:45:12 hehe 20:45:26 heh 20:46:10 --- quit: cookin ("Client Exiting") 20:46:31 ink, good news... once i get an ebay thingie set up, i am buying an indigo2 max impact with a 20" monitor 20:46:38 yay 20:46:40 as long as they accept money orders 20:46:41 and such 20:46:50 provided you don't get outbid =P 20:46:56 no bidding 20:46:58 it's "buy now" 20:47:00 :) 20:47:14 $500 for i^2 and $225 for 20" sgi monitor 20:47:33 with the rest of the money i'm going to buy an HP 712/100 workstation and NeXTSTep 3.3 20:47:39 next to put on the HP workstation 20:47:41 heh 20:47:55 cuz i need to get NeXT!! it's elyte!! 20:48:05 is this funny, geist??! :P 20:49:30 * morton senses that geist thinks my spending habits are foolish 20:50:14 only problem now is... i only have like $900 to spend... if i buy all that crap, i will have no money for a cable modem! 20:50:16 not really. I have 15 machines myself 20:50:22 about 12 of which are like that 20:50:24 it's either SGI goodness or cable goodness! 20:50:29 CRAP 20:50:33 * morton wishes he had more money 20:50:36 ;( 20:50:56 if only those people at comcast@home would not make you spend $200 on the cable modem 20:51:06 they should make setup and equipment free 20:51:08 CHEAP BASTARDS!! 20:51:27 geist: do you have a copy of NeXTSTEp 3.3 at all? 20:51:34 i would really really really like an ISO of it or something 20:51:51 as it stands, i may have to pay some decent cash for the CDs 20:51:54 nope 20:51:56 * nyef could do with an ISO of NeXTSTEP 3.3 if there's one going around. 20:52:06 yes 20:52:12 NeXT is one of the most brilliant OSes ever made 20:52:14 I have a cube, but it doesn't have the compiler. :-( 20:52:26 and HP 712/100's are the best computers to run NExT on 20:52:32 they were born to run it!!!1 20:52:34 :) 20:53:19 btw, id software used HP 9000 712 workstations to develop quake 20:55:27 And, of course, NetBSD _still_ doesn't work on '030-based cubes. 20:56:47 heh 20:57:19 I'd try to work on it, but I have no boxes suitable for cross-hosting the system... 21:02:05 heh 21:02:11 i'd hate to get an old 68k cube 21:02:14 those things are slowwwwwww 21:02:15 :) 21:02:31 although quite cool-looking 21:02:37 sexy black magnesium cube 21:02:38 mmm 21:02:38 yes 21:02:47 Slow? That depends on what you do with it. 21:02:52 i'd rather run next on an HP workstation but it doesn't look half as cool as a NeXT 21:03:06 10 i = 0 21:03:09 20 print i 21:03:14 30 i = i + 1 21:03:16 40 goto 20 21:03:27 nyef: would you rather run NeXTstep on an HP 100mhz with 128mb of ram or a 33mhz cube with 32mb of ram? 21:03:31 10 is probably optional 21:03:51 morton: That depends. Which costs more? 21:04:09 the cube 21:04:10 most likely 21:04:15 * nyef notes that a 33mhz cube would probably be an improvement on what he has now. 21:04:16 HP 712's go for $100 or so on ebay 21:04:29 The cube is free. I already have it. ^_^ 21:04:31 :) 21:04:34 what's the cpu in the hp? 21:04:42 geist: 7100XL or something 21:04:42 pa-risc? 21:04:43 like that 21:04:44 yes 21:04:45 pa-risc 21:04:48 ah 21:04:50 why? 21:04:56 hmmm, another target for newos... 21:04:59 heh yes 21:05:06 didn't know you can get cheapo pa-risc boxes 21:05:13 they are older though 21:05:17 like mid 90s old 21:05:27 the newer ones use different pa risc tech i think 21:05:34 ah 21:05:43 are you seriously going to buy one? 21:05:45 PDP-8 !!!!!! 21:05:51 buy an RS/6000 while you are at it 21:05:55 :) 21:06:07 btw, you've used CDE right? what is that like? 21:06:33 morton : me no buy new puters anymore 21:06:36 * nyef has plenty of targets for his OS. Now he just needs an OS that doesn't suck too bad to use... 21:06:36 too many to move around 21:07:42 heh 21:07:47 list all your computers geist 21:07:53 1. Sun Blade 100 21:07:57 2. Athlon running win2k 21:07:58 ... 21:07:58 :) 21:08:06 3. Indy - irix 5.3 21:08:43 hold on 21:09:01 --- join: geist99 (~geist@dsl-64-34-186-57.telocity.com) joined #osdev 21:09:13 btw, i need advice... i am upgrading Windows 98 SuckEdition on my athlon 21:09:22 should i replace it with Windows XP Pro or Windows 2k Pro? 21:09:23 kapoopoo!! 21:09:25 1.4 Athlon 21:09:25 Dual PIII 500 21:09:25 Sony Vaio PIII 600 21:09:25 iMac Summer 2001 21:09:25 VALinux 1U PIII 700 21:09:25 Sun Blade 100 21:09:27 PPro 200 21:09:29 i hear differing opinions 21:09:29 Pentium 233 21:09:31 Deskpro mobo w/K5 90 in box 21:09:33 BeBox 133 21:09:35 SGI Indy R5k 150 21:09:37 DEC Multia Alpha 150 21:09:37 2k 21:09:37 some say 2k is the best windows, some say xp is 21:09:39 Sun Sparc LX 21:09:41 Sun Sparcstation 2 21:09:48 whoa 21:09:49 okay only 14 of those class machines 21:09:55 2 Dreamcast SH-4 21:09:55 Apple iigs rom 01 21:09:55 Apple iigs rom 03 21:09:55 Enhanced Apple iie 21:09:55 2 Apple iie 21:09:56 xp is horrible 21:09:56 by far the elytest machine you have 21:10:02 is the BeBox 21:10:07 BeBoxen = elyte 21:10:08 :) 21:10:17 heh 21:10:20 j/k heh 21:10:33 i'd say the Blade or the Indy 21:10:41 what do you thinik is the coolest machine you have? :) 21:11:01 my athlon 21:11:05 it's fast and I can play games on it 21:11:15 --- part: geist99 left #osdev 21:11:20 UGH 21:11:24 you have a MULTIA 21:11:25 heh 21:11:27 those things suck 21:11:29 my athlon is fast as hell 21:11:34 i had one and it overheated the first day 21:11:35 i'm amazed at how fast it does everything 21:11:37 yes, yes they do suck 21:11:42 altho 21:11:44 i read somewhere 21:11:45 multias that is 21:11:45 never worked again 21:11:49 I got it free, though 21:11:50 returned it for $38 21:11:51 athlon is based on the alpha 20164 core 21:12:05 amd hijacked the old alpha dev team or something 21:12:05 I highly doubt it 21:12:10 uh 21:12:13 but the bus interface is the same 21:12:15 heh 21:12:25 yeah jsut like 'The Lion King' is based on 'The Holy Bible' 21:12:25 geist: you need to get yourself a new 21264 21:12:26 :) 21:12:37 have something that will put your athlon to shame :) 21:12:48 yes, a new alpha would be interesting. that was one is a total pig 21:13:02 imagine 21:13:08 the multia works well enough, but it is a pain to write code for 21:13:09 a dual alphat 21264 1ghz 21:13:14 8gb ram 21:13:23 multiple scsi disks 21:13:31 digital unix 21:13:33 or redhat linux 21:13:36 truly elyte 21:13:37 they both suck 21:13:49 and i have never met ANYONE who actually needed 8gb of ram 21:13:51 you probably have enough money for it too heh 21:13:57 for any other reason than 'my penis is bigger than yours' 21:14:00 torquil: can you say "server"? :) 21:14:10 there are people who manage a ton of data, torq 21:14:13 i am pretty sure none of you run big enough sites 21:14:15 yes 21:14:21 but i am talking about in this channel :) 21:14:24 otherwise sun wouldn't sell big servers with 160gb of ram 21:14:26 er 21:14:29 half terabyte rather 21:14:34 from what i hear 21:14:37 anyhoo 21:14:41 geist does some intense dev work 21:14:47 that strains all his current machines to the max 21:14:56 the alphas didn't start rocking until the 264 apparently 21:14:57 slashdot could be hosted on a p3 with 128mb of ram 21:15:12 not really 21:15:20 yes really 21:15:22 a site with a lot of hits like that 21:15:27 needs more ram 21:15:31 biggest pain: before the 264 you cannot access memory smaller than 64-bit 21:15:37 besides, they have huge database servers 21:15:38 ok and whats your mathematical premise for this 21:15:39 and crap like that 21:15:46 i mean seriously 21:15:52 i think your source is "i like ice cream" 21:15:55 they have like 400,000+ users 21:16:08 it's not the hits, it's the size of the database 21:16:08 they need to store preferences, posts, etc 21:16:15 their database is probably huge 21:16:15 you want your working set to be in memory 21:16:31 but you can just as well put it on another machine 21:16:37 slashdot has multiple servers, like 2 for database and 1 for static web pages and 1 for dynamic web content 21:16:49 obviously the database servers have more ram 21:17:14 i akm saying that there are maybe 10,000 sites on the internet that could use 8gb of ram 21:17:20 but a web server that gets lots of hits needs more ram too 21:17:34 more httpd threads/children 21:17:38 more connection data 21:17:40 etc 21:17:47 not 8gb worth 21:17:50 web cache 21:17:54 but a gig or two 21:18:02 definitely not 128mb 21:18:19 this is a silly argument. it totally depends on the site 21:18:24 i bet slashdot could do it in 128 21:18:29 and you wouldnt notice 21:18:31 true geist 21:18:32 i bet slashdot would choke on less than 1gb 21:18:34 if you serve a single static page you can probably do it in 16mb 21:18:35 lets talk about something else 21:18:54 anyway 21:18:57 alot of people say intel chips can't be used in servers either 21:19:02 i am going to get mad and start nameclaling and i've done that once a day 21:19:13 they're like... "pc's are crap... we're only using sun" 21:19:23 a lot of people are idiots too :) 21:19:26 a lot of people have opinions that are not founded in reality 21:19:45 if it works, use it 21:19:49 would you rather host a busy website on a dual p3 with 2gb of ram or a sun ultra with 2gb of ram? 21:19:54 a lot of people think they are hot shit because they have a sparc 21:19:59 linux on that p3 or solaris on that ultra 21:20:01 p3 21:20:02 I dont care what chip it is. if it's more cost efficient to use something else, do it 21:20:08 a sun ultra what? 21:20:12 single processor? 21:20:15 dual 21:20:18 dual what 21:20:24 ultra 30 i suppose 21:20:30 ultrasparc 3? 21:20:31 do I have to buy the machine? 21:20:33 no 21:20:35 like 900mhz? 21:20:36 ultra 30 21:20:43 both machines are free? 21:20:46 * torquil bangs his head on the table 21:20:50 i don't konw the exact details i forget the chip that machine uses 21:20:52 UltraSparcIII the chip 21:20:59 i think it's like a 500mhz ultraIII or IIi 21:21:00 well if it was the older sparcs 21:21:04 not an older sparc 21:21:07 the 440s say 21:21:12 p3 21:21:14 2x440mhz vs dual 750mhz p3s 21:21:16 hmm 21:21:17 er 21:21:18 how about 21:21:24 i'd say p3s 21:21:27 cheaper to maintain 21:21:33 dual Athlon1.4ghz with 2gb of ram 21:21:36 vs. 21:21:38 SPARC 21:21:40 immediatly 21:21:43 6502 21:21:47 because athlons arent stable enough for servers 21:21:49 Sun blade 1000 dual 21:22:04 whatever ultrasparc chip the blade 1000 uses 21:22:12 whatever 21:22:15 this is silly heh 21:22:19 yeah 21:22:20 I'd have to agree with torquil here. athlons have proven themselves yet 21:22:22 but seriously 21:22:23 yes it is 21:22:27 lets talk about how 2001 sucked 21:22:28 i am kind of pissed off 21:22:31 when people 21:22:35 who huy an old sparc 21:22:39 are like "oooo i'm so cool" 21:22:39 heh 21:22:43 yeah 21:22:54 i mean, a cheap PC could easily smoke an old sparcstation 20 21:22:58 at least, i HOPE it would 21:22:59 "hey i paid $30 for an IPX and i turned it on and typed 'irc' and lookit me! 21:23:16 although the old sun's do have really good i/o performance 21:23:17 thats debatable morton 21:23:24 hrm 21:23:25 ok 21:23:26 ss20 would be like similar to the first p2s and celerons 21:23:28 yup, I have these older machines but only for the cpu to port to 21:23:35 so a fully decked out ss20 21:23:36 they aint useful anymore 21:23:37 IPX is slower than a 486/66 21:23:44 compared to a p3-866mhz 21:24:03 i would like an old cheap sparc for messing around 21:24:09 yeah the p3 would 0wn it 21:24:11 well 21:24:16 hrm 21:24:21 yeah, I picked up a ss2 and then an LX 21:24:26 here's my list of elyte computers to buy: 21:24:27 the ss2 is a sparc7 and the LX is sparc8 21:24:30 in order of priority 21:24:35 1. Silicon Graphics indigo2 or Octane 21:24:39 differen't mmus appartmently 21:24:42 2. HP 712 for NeXTSTEp 21:24:54 3. Sun Ultra 1 170e or 200 21:25:04 4. Sun ss20 21:25:13 u1 > ss20 21:25:16 i know 21:25:19 i dont like HP much 21:25:24 ohhh 21:25:25 but i also want an old school sparc to play with 21:25:30 i thought you were asking which to buy 21:25:32 I like my LX 21:25:34 ss20 isnt very old school 21:25:37 get a ss5 21:25:42 yes pizzabox is old school 21:25:48 ss20 is the best of the pizzabox era 21:25:50 the lx is one of the little cube like things 21:25:55 ss20 could handle X and browser easily 21:25:57 but about like a 20 21:26:02 the only reason i'm gettin the HP is because 21:26:03 50mhz supersparc 21:26:10 it is the cheapest, fastest non-intel i could find 21:26:13 to run NeXTSTEP 21:26:22 and i get to try out HPUX, kill two birds with one stone :) 21:26:38 I meant to grab a binary of vms for the multia, but never got around to it 21:26:54 alot of this obsolyte computer buying i'm doing for nostalogia purposes 21:26:54 morton get a Nextstation turbo color 21:26:59 torquil 21:27:00 those things own 21:27:01 yeah morton 21:27:02 the HP snake 21:27:04 somewhere along the road after I picked up all these machines I grew tired of old computers 21:27:07 will smoke the turbo station 21:27:11 you read obsolyte.org i assume ? 21:27:18 but it isnt as pretty morton 21:27:27 AFAIK all the NeXT stations use the 68k 21:27:31 which is a pretty old chip heh 21:27:42 i'd like about $1000 to buy a SGI, sparc, hp, 68k 21:27:44 for fun 21:27:47 68030 and above I assume 21:27:47 heh 21:27:53 * morton has the $1000 to buy that for fun 21:27:58 68040 was the highest geist 21:27:59 and i'm going to spend it as soon as possible!! :) 21:28:03 well yeah 21:28:05 The old NeXT boxes were '030s and '040s. 21:28:10 right 21:28:19 next boxes maxed out at 33mhz i think 21:28:23 the 68040 33 21:28:31 no they had 50mhz ones 21:28:36 I dont have a 68k box, but I know some friends that have amigas and atari falcons, so I can borrow one if I really want 21:28:48 i'd still like one for my workdesk because they are so damn pretty 21:28:49 although they were going to produce some really fast ones but the company went under (the hardware division at least) 21:29:07 like the 200 mhz bebox a friend of mine has 21:29:09 morton: then they renamed NS, OS-X 21:29:14 heh 21:29:17 actually 21:29:21 it was openstep then rhapsody 21:29:23 then OSX 21:29:39 #5 on my priority list 21:29:43 is a new MacOSX box 21:29:43 NextStep=Openstep 21:29:47 like a g3 or a g4 21:29:52 if i ever get the money for it 21:29:57 i should hack the bebox some more, the guy that designed it works at my company two offices down 21:29:57 why not save some money morton :) 21:29:59 spend like half 21:30:01 but old unix workstations take precedence over it 21:30:12 cuz of nostalagia reasons 21:30:14 i mean 21:30:20 one of the earliest computer memories 21:30:22 i have 21:30:27 is using an SGI indigo2 21:30:28 you remind me a lot of myself at the beginning of 2001 :) 21:30:33 at the Smithsonian museum 21:30:35 it was sooooo cool 21:30:42 i was like 12 at the time 21:30:48 they had the coolest exhibit 21:30:49 i bought a SGI i2 and sparc 21:30:53 just to mess with other archs 21:30:58 then i sold them 2 months later heh 21:31:05 I remember going to college and seeing the indy's in the lab that I couldn't use. I finally got one 6 months ago or so. not as cool as it was then 21:31:06 uh 21:31:10 you bought one torquil? 21:31:17 es 21:31:21 er 21:31:29 indigo2 IMPACT? 21:31:30 r10k? 21:31:37 r4.4k 21:31:37 torquil is a better man than us. he can let go 21:31:41 250mhz 21:31:44 why did you sell it? 21:31:44 yeah it was hard 21:31:51 did it suck too bad? 21:31:52 heh 21:31:56 morton: i got $150 more than i paid for it 21:32:01 no it was fucked in the first plac 21:32:01 e 21:32:06 oh that's nice 21:32:14 r4400 is kind of slow anywau 21:32:14 NIC didnt work, OS was messed up and needed a reinstall 21:32:21 its not bad morton 21:32:25 r10k is better yes 21:32:31 but at the time it wasnt $300 better 21:32:35 heh 21:32:35 HELLO 21:32:37 but now they are so cheap 21:32:41 HI 21:32:43 you could get what i got with an r10k for $350 21:32:48 i paid $600 21:32:59 hrm 21:33:05 how do you like IRIX, torquil? 21:33:08 now all i really want is a nextstation and a u5 or u2 sparc 21:33:08 is it as cool as i think it is? 21:33:19 its decent 21:33:23 its a nice change of scenery 21:33:34 SGI is the only unix vendor that put a lot of effort into their GUI 21:33:35 frontend 21:33:43 just like different archs 21:33:44 instead of just slapping some crap onto their unix variant 21:33:46 yeah, it was definitely fly at the time 21:33:50 x86 gets pretty boring after a while 21:33:54 lol 21:33:59 x86 never gets boring!!! 21:34:09 so many different OSes! 21:34:10 heh 21:34:11 ia-64 is not that boring. :) 21:34:18 I'd love to get ahold of one of those 21:34:21 actually all irix is 21:34:23 OSes get boring too :) 21:34:23 the gui at least 21:34:29 4dwm is like a modded MOTIF 21:34:37 basically an offshoot of mwm 21:34:44 with vector icons 21:34:55 they make a clone of it as a WM morton 21:35:16 although, the sgi X server is one of the X servers most tightly coupled to the graphics hardware 21:35:28 cuz they know their own hardware inside out 21:35:39 unlike some no name Mach64 or what have you on pc hardware 21:36:01 what are some modern elyte computers to lust after? 21:36:04 yeah and BZFlag runs natively on it :) 21:36:04 * geist is detecting some low-level pc bashing 21:36:11 i guess there's the Sun Blade 21:36:12 1000 21:36:17 Mac g4 21:36:19 hrm 21:36:24 new SGI is kind of lame 21:36:34 I'm actually quite impressed with the new macs 21:36:36 new SGI blows 21:36:37 not as cool as it was in early - mid 90s 21:36:39 yes 21:36:43 i want a new mac 21:36:46 it runs Windows usuaully 21:36:49 macosx is fly 21:36:50 very fly 21:36:58 I picked up the imac for the explict purpose of porting to it 21:37:01 the good thing about that though, is i can play with it in the store 21:37:04 cheapest modern mac I can get 21:37:17 i can't play with unix workstations at the computer outlet store for obvoius reasons 21:37:18 when I learned it had openfirmware, I picked one up the next day 21:37:25 however, i CAN experience macosx there :) 21:37:31 all i can say is 21:37:38 a decked out g4 with a cinema display 21:37:39 running OSX 21:37:45 is one of the leetest Unices 21:37:46 there is 21:38:02 * geist notes that it still is unix 21:38:05 so much eye candy it will make your eyes rot 21:38:16 I can do without that, but that's just me 21:38:24 do without eye candy or without unix? 21:38:24 heh 21:38:29 eye candy 21:38:32 wtf 21:38:33 . 21:38:35 eye candy RULES 21:38:38 i mean 21:38:46 not when it makes your shit slow 21:38:51 well 21:38:53 that's the trick 21:38:57 FAST eye candy 21:38:57 heh 21:38:59 and 21:39:04 OSX on a fast g4 21:39:06 was pretty damn responsive 21:39:07 imho 21:39:13 probably not so on an imac 21:39:15 or a g3 21:39:26 * geist was the biggest beos d00der in the world for many years, so he's still coming at it from a speed-first mentiality 21:39:34 * gpf hits morton over the head with a G3 and smashes it 21:39:44 i ran beos for like 21:39:48 on and off 21:39:49 for a year 21:39:53 beos 5 pro 21:39:55 i mean 21:39:58 i got tired of it after a while 21:39:58 yeah 21:40:02 i ran beos5 for like 3 days 21:40:02 it just kind of pissed me off 21:40:06 it didn't give me enough power 21:40:10 i felt kind of locked in 21:40:11 I did as soon as I quite that damn company 21:40:11 then i realized why no one used it and it would fail :) 21:40:18 beos kind of sucks actually 21:40:19 er quit even 21:40:21 i mean, it's nothing that great 21:40:22 imho 21:40:30 * gpf agrees 21:40:31 hohohoho 21:40:32 it's a clean design and all 21:40:42 but it just doesn't quite fit a niche 21:40:51 it's too windowsish to be a unix, and too unixish to be a windows 21:40:51 * gpf wonders if the source will be released 21:40:52 heh 21:40:56 no way 21:40:59 gpf: beos source code was pirated 21:41:02 on the internet 21:41:12 if you're lucky enough to have l33t d00d hoookups 21:41:14 you could probably get it 21:41:15 heh 21:41:19 yes, it was for 'smart' macos users, until OS-X came along 21:41:25 yes 21:41:29 OSX stomps on Beos 21:41:30 then it was just for 40 year old bikers who were afraid of change 21:41:32 OK 21:41:41 and linux and everything else pretty much 21:41:55 i mean, 21:41:59 I dont share the OSX stomping on beos part, but it's definitely a better platform for real people 21:42:01 if i had like $3000 21:42:04 to spend on ONE new computer 21:42:11 i'd buy a Mac in a heartbeat 21:42:27 that is definitely the "it" os in 2002 21:42:35 * gpf again hits morton over the head with a G3 and smashes it to smithereens 21:42:48 morton : xp is 21:43:00 the only reason i spent $1600 on the p3 and athlon was i badly needed a capable wintel box 21:43:03 whether or not anyone cares, xp is the os 21:43:14 i like XP 21:43:15 xp is the os for wind0ze lusers heh 21:43:19 xp is good 21:43:22 but not as good as osx 21:43:29 osx is unix... 21:43:37 --- nick: transtone -> transfuck 21:43:40 * gpf hates Micro$oft 21:43:40 i'd rather have unix than win32 21:43:49 XP is to windows, as OSX is to macos 21:43:50 except 21:43:53 okay, this conversation is decending into unix vs. windows 21:43:56 XP is just stabler and prettier 21:43:57 sorry I contributed 21:44:03 ok seriously 21:44:06 it doesnt have that bsd propaganda like macos 21:44:07 should i get XP pro or 2k pro? 21:44:10 i need to make a decision 21:44:14 to put a new os on my athlon 21:44:17 fast machine? 21:44:19 98se is painful 21:44:19 xppro 21:44:24 xppro 21:44:30 None of the above 21:44:30 athlon 1.2ghz 768mb ram, geforce2 21:44:36 2x60gb HD 21:44:42 xp home if you dont want to play with domain stuff, and single cpu 21:44:49 heh 21:44:55 it's pro all the way 21:44:59 xp runs fine on that 21:45:03 XP Home is a joke 21:45:08 No security 21:45:14 and? 21:45:20 one word 21:45:22 "warez" 21:45:23 heh heh heh 21:45:31 saves me $300 :) 21:45:37 * morton goes and hides in a corner 21:46:17 anyway, xp should run okay. when you turn the tellitubbies decor off, that is 21:46:23 uh 21:46:27 but that's the eye candy! 21:46:32 how can you turn off eye candy!! 21:46:34 suit yerself 21:46:42 that's the only thing that lets it compete with osx 21:46:43 heh 21:47:00 Jeez 21:47:07 anyway 21:47:07 * geist runs it on his main dev machine and is quite happy 21:47:22 except for the cygwin part, but that's a nasty hack 21:47:47 heh 21:47:53 i thought sun blade was your main dev machine? 21:48:00 nah, that's a server 21:48:14 the x server on that machine sux 21:48:28 ya 21:48:29 but 21:48:38 solaris has a decent gui system i thought 21:48:39 cde and all 21:48:42 it's faster for me to remotely log into it using x over a 100mbit link from windows than to use the console 21:48:52 oh 21:48:54 that's odd 21:49:00 i wonder why sun would sell something 21:49:04 that was so slow 21:49:08 cheap 21:49:25 it's not that bad, but my athlon blows it out of the water 21:49:44 but I've switched to using windows for all my dev and editor needs 21:49:51 I'm not a big x fan 21:49:58 http://www.bluesnews.com/archives/jc031897.htm 21:50:00 so I tend to use unix from ssh or telnet 21:50:00 check it out 21:50:04 John carmack of idsoftware 21:50:09 talks about different OSes 21:50:44 NEXTSTEP 21:50:44 My faviorite environment. NT and linux both have advantages in some areas, but if they were on equal footing I would choose NEXTSTEP hands down. It has all the power of unix (there are lots of things I miss in NT), the best UI (IMHO, of cource), and it just makes sense on so many more levels than windows. Yes, you can make windows do anything you want to if you have enough time to beat on it, but you can come out of it feeling like you just walked through a 21:51:47 huh, interesting 21:51:49 yes 21:51:52 very interesting 21:51:55 he even ran plan9 21:51:57 hehe 21:52:04 "achingly elegant" 21:52:17 hey what's up 21:52:30 * geist spent a while on p9. I finally 'got' it 21:52:40 but not useful, unfortunately 21:52:54 a dude at my work used it for two years at work as his main dev machine 21:52:57 worked at lucent 21:53:17 I bought a BeBox because I am a solid believer in SMP, and I like clean, from-scratch systems. I was left fairly non plussed by it. Yes, it is lean and mean and does a couple things better than any other OS I have seen, but I just don't see any dramatic advantages to it over, say, NEXTSTEP. 21:53:28 that's a very interesting quote 21:53:36 "non plussed" heh 21:53:39 well, dont expect too much from a dead os 21:53:43 beos or nextstep 21:53:58 geist, what do you mean you "got" p9? 21:54:02 when the main developer stops working on it, it starts falling out of sync with the world 21:54:12 what is it about p9 that is hard for people to grasp immediately? 21:54:25 john carmack can't spell worth shit. 21:54:33 the way the namespace is different depending on your process 21:54:33 heh foofoo 21:54:35 true 21:54:38 existance 21:54:40 he's more of a right brainer 21:54:45 er 21:54:47 left brain 21:54:48 not right 21:54:49 not sure if you messed with it any, but it's a little weird 21:54:49 right brain/left hand 21:54:50 hahahah 21:55:06 geist: i have a dedicated p9 box 21:55:18 right now, computer setup will be (once i get XP or 2k) 21:55:19 yeah, I used to but killed it 21:55:22 athlon - XP or 2k 21:55:22 --- quit: nyef ("G'night all, and happy new year!") 21:55:25 p166 - P9 21:55:28 p3 - freebsd 21:55:34 486dx33 - BSD/OS 4.1 21:55:52 morton: so what functions do the left side of the brain serve? 21:55:53 i don't really find much else worthwhile to run on intel hardware 21:55:54 I wanted to set up a p9 cluster, but decided I had better things to do with my time 21:55:56 just to name a few. 21:56:00 uhm 21:56:06 heh 21:56:06 i get that shit mixed up foofoo 21:56:08 don't make fun of me 21:56:09 lol 21:56:24 i thought it was left - mathematical and logical and right - creative 21:56:28 but it could be the other way around 21:56:29 not making fun. just asking a question. :-) 21:56:30 i forget 21:56:34 which is it? 21:56:36 is right creative 21:56:38 or left 21:56:42 actually, to do any of those things, takes effort. 21:56:57 yes but one side of the brain is mostly implicated in those processes 21:57:02 no 21:57:07 it's scientifically proven 21:57:11 who cares? 21:57:18 rightcretive 21:57:19 no one i guess 21:57:19 it doesn't mean you can't try harder at math. 21:57:24 sorry i brought it up 21:57:30 will you forgive me, good sir? 21:57:30 unless you want to be a lazy fuck. 21:57:32 :-) 21:57:45 psychology is fun 21:57:49 you konw what 21:57:52 i really think 21:57:56 freebsd is nicer than linux 21:58:02 it's cleaner 21:58:07 omg. and you're just finding this out? 21:58:08 hahaha. 21:58:11 well 21:58:16 heh 21:58:18 uhm 21:58:20 you know 21:58:23 linux isn't that bad 21:58:29 you coulud make an argument for it 21:58:32 being better than fbsd 21:58:33 actually 21:58:35 what i find interesting 21:58:41 i was ssh'ing into my p3 running fbsd 21:58:44 from windows 21:58:48 and it seemed kind of laggy 21:58:56 if you hold down enter 21:59:01 and let the prompt scroll 21:59:03 it skips some lines 21:59:06 whic is weird 21:59:07 cuz 21:59:09 on linux 21:59:16 it is immediately responsive 21:59:16 yeah, i'm a long time bsd convert after using linux. 21:59:22 m0rt? 21:59:22 so 21:59:24 i dunno 21:59:28 maybe that's a problem with fbsd 21:59:30 or ssh 21:59:32 or sshd 21:59:35 or whatever 21:59:43 could be PuTTY 22:00:00 anyone else have that problem? 22:00:08 using ssh from windows to fbsd 22:00:14 the problem with linux is that it has too many god damn distros. 22:00:27 i think linux is more optimized 22:00:33 like, they have a lot of low level hackers 22:00:40 putting in a lot of low level hacks 22:00:41 morton: yes, but which distro is more optimized!? 22:00:41 etc 22:00:46 PDP-8 I SAY!!!!! 22:00:48 the kernel, duh 22:00:49 which distro has the best package management!? 22:00:51 not any distro 22:00:53 heehh 22:00:56 i'm talking about the kernel 22:01:00 vs. the fbsd kernel 22:01:20 morton : depends on the optimization 22:01:27 i know for one thing 22:01:36 linux caches disk writes VERY aggressively 22:01:44 IMO, linux hackers tend to do a lot of local optimizations, which doesn't make for a faster system overall necessarilly 22:01:56 exactly geist 22:02:06 hold on! 22:02:08 morton : yes, I know a lot about that stuff. ext2 was my bitch 22:02:13 heh 22:02:14 nothing is insane 22:02:16 ext2 ate my ballz 22:02:26 heh heh 22:02:29 I've eaten ext2's ballz 22:02:37 and ntfs too 22:02:51 * morton is still wading through "Linux Core Kernel Code" and "Linux Internals" 22:02:52 bah! 22:02:55 heh. geist eats balls. 22:02:59 hehehehe 22:03:11 mmmmmm, mmfmrmhm, mm? 22:03:15 lol! 22:03:23 well, morton said ext2 ate his balls. 22:03:30 not the other way around. 22:03:37 at least he isn't a dirty filthy ball eater~! 22:03:39 that's cuz geist is an elyte coder 22:03:55 he puts api's and standards and interfaces into their place 22:04:03 he is a code domiinatrix 22:04:04 but being the proud author of a production-quality ext2 and ntfs drivers, I can say I ate ext2's ballz 22:04:17 uhm 22:04:19 uh 22:04:30 did you do any work on that at Be? 22:04:35 right 22:04:37 at all 22:04:42 well sure 22:04:43 i thought dominic did all of that 22:04:45 geist: try self-proclaimed author of production-quality ext2 and ntfs drivers. 22:04:46 no 22:04:54 and then i will agree. 22:04:59 I wrote all that, and took over bfs after dbg left 22:05:11 what was dominic like btw 22:05:17 is he a really good coder? 22:05:21 also, the code in be that lets you run out of a file in a foreign fs was mine too 22:05:28 morton: he doesn't know. geist ate dominic's balls too. 22:05:28 dbg is a pretty cool guy 22:05:40 heh 22:05:54 i'm going to eat alan cox's ballz one day 22:05:58 dbg hired me after I wrote a couple of fs drivers, and then I brought them into be and put em into r5, then did a bunch of other stuff 22:06:25 where's witten when you need somebody to make fun of? 22:06:26 though I didn't write the fat driver. that was a piece of crap 22:06:38 you konw what Be should have done? 22:06:43 leave the full relational database 22:06:43 http://www.crummy.com/articles/make_dan_complain.shtml 22:06:45 in BeFS 22:06:47 when they took it out 22:06:52 it was a dark day for Be users 22:06:52 no 22:07:01 different architecture 22:07:04 a database as an FS 22:07:06 is pure genius 22:07:12 it was also a failure 22:07:21 why? 22:07:24 you'd lose all sorts of data if you shut the system off 22:07:29 well 22:07:34 the early version was a user space database and a kernel space fs 22:07:35 um 22:07:41 they got out of sync all the time 22:07:49 hrm 22:08:08 btw, 1 more question about Be 22:08:10 in that mpg 22:08:14 in the video demos folder 22:08:21 of the monitors being thrown off the be building 22:08:23 are you in it? 22:08:24 at all? :) 22:08:25 dbg came from sgi, so he brought some know-how with it 22:08:26 yeah 22:08:30 whoa really 22:08:32 I'm on the top 22:08:33 you're in that?? 22:08:35 sweet 22:08:39 which one are you 22:08:41 ? 22:08:46 hey, where do i download that video? 22:08:48 you see my back, I'm wearing a blue shirt, long sleeved 22:08:54 haha 22:08:55 that's awesome 22:09:01 oh crap. i just ripped out a hang nail and now i'm bleeding vicariously. 22:09:04 * morton has to reinstall beos to look at that 22:09:15 I'm right next to the guy nearest to the camera that drops a monitor 22:09:18 you're bleeding through your toenail? 22:09:23 HANG NAIL 22:09:25 --- quit: transfuck ("#drunk") 22:09:33 you're experiencing the bloodflow via your hang nail? 22:09:34 I lean over as the monitor's are dropped 22:09:37 it's the little nail that splinters off from the rest of your nail. 22:09:41 but you can't see my face, I'm facing the other way 22:09:44 it was on my thumb. 22:09:48 vicariously is not the word you should have used 22:09:56 i recommend looking it up @ dictionary.com :) 22:10:01 YES I AM. 22:10:06 maybe you meant "profusely"? 22:10:19 you should see the video when everyone got drunk at a party and rappelled down the building in the middle of the night 22:10:25 geist 22:10:27 GOD DAMN DO YOU NEED TO USE THE DICTIONARY WHENEVER YOUR PUNY BRAIN DOESN'T KNOW A WORD? 22:10:30 who is that headbanger guy 22:10:32 that runs out 22:10:33 really fast 22:10:38 victor tsou 22:10:40 hahah 22:10:42 i meant vicariously, dumbass. 22:10:43 that guy is a fruit 22:10:45 heh 22:10:51 he cut all his hair 22:11:03 man 22:11:12 since then. he's a totally smart guy, has a degree from mit I think 22:11:14 i wish i had worked at some cool silicon valley dot-bomb 22:11:17 that must be fun as hell 22:11:26 MIT is all prestige. 22:11:36 probably, be he's still smart 22:11:46 I worked with him 22:11:48 a lot 22:11:58 he quit when dbg left 22:12:19 if I had the video around I'd point out some other people 22:12:20 why the fuck do you need to move to Massachusetts to get an education in IT? 22:12:23 dammit 22:12:25 truth be told, you don't. 22:12:27 i need to look at that video again 22:12:33 ? 22:12:37 * morton wonders if i could just snag it off the beos CD 22:12:44 and play it in windows 22:12:48 nah, it'll be bfs 22:12:48 geist: send us that video. 22:12:52 I dont have it 22:12:55 GET IT. 22:12:58 hold on guys 22:13:00 if i can find it 22:13:01 or else we'll make you eat our balls. 22:13:03 on the beos cd 22:13:04 i'll send it 22:13:07 I have no beos cd's and havent touched beos since I quit in may 22:13:23 I deleted it from all my machines and rid myself of the scourge of beos 22:13:42 geist: not a sentimental guy, are you? 22:13:50 actually I have a few r4 beta cd's somewhere, and a r5 sealed package 22:14:00 nah, I just had realized it was dead 22:14:02 geist: send us BeOS warez. 22:14:04 hook us up. 22:14:11 I aint got any 22:14:12 :-O 22:14:13 heh 22:14:23 you just said you have RC5 in a sealed package. 22:14:27 you're holding out on us. 22:14:29 no r5 22:14:34 oops, r5 22:14:36 sorry. 22:14:39 heh 22:14:39 slip of finger. 22:15:06 it's the same package in the store 22:15:21 bleh. i was joking. 22:15:29 i wouldn't run be even if i did warez it. 22:15:32 :-p 22:15:32 when I started working at Danger, I started using win2k and got back into windows 22:15:33 doo doo 22:15:53 and beos went away from my machines 22:15:59 actually 22:16:05 i could make an ISO of the beos 5 pro CD 22:16:07 if you want 22:16:07 nate37 wants to get in on some of this ball eating action too. 22:16:16 since I have since upgraded them past running beos 22:16:17 ill only send once i get cable though 22:16:22 which should be soon 22:16:25 thanks but no thanks 22:16:29 beos hates me machine 22:16:36 mine too. 22:16:45 beos loves my machine 22:16:50 it's a dream on my p3 22:16:51 heh 22:16:53 morton: find the video or not? 22:16:58 hold on 22:17:04 just popped the cd into the tray 22:17:06 I should save that video though 22:17:14 P3 with a 56K == a rabbit riding on a turtle's back. 22:17:20 there's also a good one of baron doing the mime thing 22:17:37 like that analogy? :-P 22:18:11 * geist is waiting for some party to appear for new years, but it doesn't seem to be happening 22:18:25 party... in your pants? 22:18:29 I guess all my friends are either ignoring me, or still on vacation 22:18:32 don't expect that to happen any time soon. 22:18:40 dammit 22:18:42 SOL 22:18:45 shit out of luck 22:18:49 awww. 22:18:51 all the beos stuff is in a Cab file 22:18:55 maybe we can find it on the web 22:18:56 no 22:19:06 the cd has three sessions on it 22:19:14 i just installed Beos into a windows dir though 22:19:16 iso (little windows install util) 22:19:28 bfs (intel byte ordering) 22:19:33 bfs (ppc byte ordering) 22:19:46 since you are using windows, you are seeing the little iso 22:19:55 uh 22:19:56 yes 22:20:00 you want to read it using bfs, and it'll see the install image 22:20:08 so 22:20:10 which has the mpeg in it 22:20:10 are there any tools 22:20:12 for windows 22:20:15 to do that 22:20:15 no 22:20:16 beos 22:20:21 well 22:20:24 hrm 22:20:33 i suppose 22:20:33 do you have beos on your machine? 22:20:36 i could boot into it 22:20:40 and transfer to the fat 22:20:48 right, that's what you have to do 22:21:09 be actually worked on a bfs driver for windows and it sort of worked, but was never finished and released 22:21:13 or use vmware. :-P 22:21:27 althought for some reason 22:21:32 beos doesn't work with my geforce2 22:21:35 beos doesn't run worth a crap under vmware 22:21:35 no shit! 22:21:36 it works fine on ethe tnt2 22:21:38 but not the gf2 22:21:39 eehehh 22:22:06 ok 22:22:09 time to start up beos 22:22:11 and disc from the net 22:22:17 morton : did you get the updated nvidia driver from bebits? 22:22:18 nvidia's linux-only binary for the gf2 is lame. 22:22:18 * morton curses shitty aohell 22:22:36 geist: no 3d though. 22:22:40 * morton curses verizon and comcast for not having broadband in this area 22:23:02 * morton curses himself for beingn too lazy to buy a new dialup account 22:23:10 --- quit: morton () 22:23:18 :-P 22:25:29 geist: so where are you working now? or would i need to sign an nda? 22:26:39 Danger, Inc. Formerly Danger Research 22:27:02 danger.com? 22:27:05 yeah 22:27:15 a lot of old be folks went there 22:27:17 nice. 22:27:30 we're doing great, the product is coming along 22:27:55 all these companies are failing around us, but we're going strong, no failure in sight 22:29:09 if you want to see some mugshots of some be people, go to the jobs page on danger.com 22:29:16 top picture is brian swetland 22:29:23 middle right is baron arnold 22:29:36 bottom right is joe palmer (designed the bebox) 22:31:14 * geist hunts around for his bass but doesn't find it 22:31:21 must have left it at the studio 22:31:36 show off. 22:31:42 :-) 22:31:45 heh 22:32:06 well, I actually was looking for it 22:32:47 yes, but to suggest it is at another physical location, like a studio... 22:32:47 feh. 22:33:04 * foofoo grabs his folk guitar and beats you senseless. 22:33:24 hah, well, it is at the studio 22:33:26 --- join: morton (lwz@AC8A3B92.ipt.aol.com) joined #osdev 22:33:30 ok kids 22:33:30 which a few of us co-rent 22:33:31 i don't doubt it! 22:33:32 i got the mpg 22:33:35 off of the cd 22:33:41 you da man 22:34:03 morton: if i'm your kid, where's my alimony? 22:34:34 send me checks for back child support. :-P 22:34:50 morton: how big is it? 22:34:54 like 7mb 22:34:56 for each mpg 22:35:01 do you want upper or lower? 22:35:04 well, how many? 22:35:08 two 22:35:10 ok 22:35:12 view from top 22:35:14 and view from bottom 22:35:20 i assume geist is in the top view 22:35:24 yes 22:35:26 ok, send top 22:35:27 hahaha 22:35:27 now which one were you again geist? 22:35:34 top 22:35:41 no 22:35:43 i mean 22:35:45 in that mpg 22:35:48 which person again? 22:35:49 the guy with the long sleeve, blue shirt. 22:35:51 blue shirt? 22:35:51 is what he said. 22:35:53 blue shirt, looking away 22:35:56 uhm 22:36:00 i only see 22:36:00 one person 22:36:02 with a blue shirt 22:36:02 and it looks to be 22:36:06 an obese 22:36:07 next to the last guy to drop a monitor 22:36:10 woman 22:36:11 O_o 22:36:12 hahaha 22:36:14 with long stringy hair 22:36:14 heh 22:36:17 oh dear. 22:36:33 did you just call geist an obese woman? 22:36:36 I did have long hair 22:36:49 there is a chubby person 22:36:52 with long hair 22:36:52 next to the first guy 22:36:52 to drop a monitor 22:36:54 geist: look harder. 22:36:56 i can't see anyone 22:36:57 with a non-white shirt 22:36:59 it looks a little weird, since it's an overshirt and hanging loose 22:37:01 next to the last guy 22:37:15 so cruel 22:37:19 I aint chubby, but it does probably look that way 22:37:23 hahah 22:37:33 ok 22:37:33 i suppose 22:37:34 yeah, the camera probably adds 300 pounds. 22:37:37 hah 22:37:45 you are the one next to the guy who dropped the first monitor 22:37:50 it's that 5 o'clock shadow, i tell ya' 22:37:52 actually 22:37:56 now that i look more closely 22:37:58 that shirt is very puffy 22:38:00 oh maybe 22:38:05 you could easily be a skinny guy underneath that 22:38:09 morton: explain the woman part, now. 22:38:11 :-P 22:38:13 it's not buttoned, since it a second shirt 22:38:17 well 22:38:18 does geist have man boobs? 22:38:20 because of the long hair 22:38:22 i assumed a female 22:38:22 it's very hard to see the face 22:38:23 more like a jacket 22:38:33 it may be the first monitor 22:38:34 I forgot the order 22:38:36 geist: man boobs? 22:38:45 closest to the camera 22:38:46 grab your breast and feel them. 22:38:47 geist's face is obscured 22:38:51 is there an e-cookie I can feed my modem for being nice to me tonight? 22:39:08 uh 22:39:11 yes 22:39:15 sacrifice the indigo 22:39:15 to the modem 22:39:15 e-cookie? 22:39:18 gut it 22:39:19 * ink downloaded a few hundred megs of phish concert mpegs and is set to download a few hundred more =]=]=] 22:39:22 and put incense in it 22:39:30 and my dsl normally really sucks 22:39:39 if you want to see a more recent pic of me 22:39:53 http://www.kissingcontest.com/try-again.jpg 22:39:57 on the left 22:39:59 hahahahh 22:40:02 kissingcontest 22:40:02 wtf 22:40:03 horrible pic though 22:40:06 no, not kissingcontent.com 22:40:09 anything but there. 22:40:14 ahhhh 22:40:20 far left? 22:40:21 heh 22:40:23 yes 22:40:31 if you want to see a picture of me 22:40:32 a recent picture 22:40:36 i shall dcc send it 22:40:36 no wonder you have a studio. 22:40:38 bastard! 22:40:39 to anyone who wants it 22:40:46 that was about in june or so 22:40:46 eheh 22:40:55 I since grew my hair out and cut it short again 22:41:24 uhm 22:41:25 morton: or how about i send it, since my upstream doesn't suck as much? 22:41:27 heh 22:41:27 is that Baron on the far right? 22:41:38 yes 22:41:46 ficus is next to me 22:41:52 bad bad pic of him 22:42:07 wait 22:42:19 you are on the far left? 22:42:24 far far left? 22:42:26 who's the guy who just ate a sloppy joe? 22:42:32 the guy second to farthest left 22:42:34 and got it all over his t-shirt? 22:42:34 looks pretty cool 22:42:34 the girl 22:42:36 in the middle 22:42:40 with the long hair 22:42:40 is HOT 22:42:42 heh, that's brian 22:42:44 she is quite attractive 22:42:45 not the girl 22:42:50 morton: get a life. :-P 22:42:59 go outside and find a girl your own age. 22:43:01 heh 22:43:04 we were practicing for a few hours before taking that snapshot 22:43:12 heh 22:43:13 well she is 22:43:18 the one withthe long hair 22:43:27 uhm 22:43:29 foofoo 22:43:29 she probably is my age 22:43:30 we have a lot more pictures and stuff, but ficus never updates the web page 22:43:38 that's baron's gf 22:43:52 I think she's in her late 20's 22:43:52 heh 22:43:57 probably 28-29 22:43:59 geist: tell baron that morton wants to jump your girlfriend. 22:43:59 baron is 33 22:44:03 is it just me or does baron look like some 40+ year old guy? 22:44:06 err, his girlfriend. 22:44:10 heh 22:44:18 must be the male pattern baldness 22:44:24 heh, he always looks old 22:44:32 we make fun of him like crazy for that 22:44:41 he looks damn old 22:44:45 looks as old as my dad 22:44:45 heh 22:44:47 bad picture 22:44:51 but he's and old fart 22:45:21 we have better pix somewhere 22:45:24 ok 22:45:27 here's a recent jpg of me 22:45:30 foofoo 22:45:35 send this to geist 22:45:43 did brian feed his sloppy joe to his shirt? 22:45:58 heh, he's the drummer 22:46:02 that's sweat 22:46:06 er wait 22:46:11 brian is the one with the dark hair? 22:46:20 or the bald guy in the upper part of the pic? 22:46:23 morton: send it yourself. it is only 17 KB. :-P 22:46:32 it won't kill your bandwidth or anything. 22:46:43 but if you really want me to... 22:46:55 here geist 22:46:58 this is a pic of me 22:46:58 tell me how kewl i look 22:47:02 heh 22:48:06 air said i was the "stereotypical nerd" 22:48:06 but i resent his comment 22:48:10 heh 22:48:10 frankly 22:48:10 i think i'm quite studly 22:48:18 hehe 22:48:22 morton: you look like a guy who would wear a ghostbusters t-shirt. how's that? 22:48:47 heh 22:49:10 http://www.pacificsoundcraft.com/kissing-contest/2001-12-04/ 22:49:15 recent show, 22:49:18 recording is terrible 22:49:24 site is totally slow 22:49:36 I need to snarf that off and put it in kissingcontest.com 22:49:37 * ink comments on the high quality of this grateful dead concert recording from 1965 then walks outside for a few minutes of "fresh air" 22:49:38 geist: i'm more interested in how you sound. 22:49:45 we're okay 22:49:48 which is why i'm downloading several of your mp3s. 22:49:49 heh 22:49:52 we have some vocal problems 22:50:03 heh 22:50:05 one of the girls is out of tune a lot 22:50:07 what kind of music is it? 22:50:13 hardcore punk? rap? 22:50:21 polka? 22:50:21 heh 22:50:26 for a lot of baron's stuff, go to www.catrec.com/catrec.html 22:50:31 indie rock 22:50:44 ink: what do you think of my pic? 22:51:05 geist: do you have any favorites from http://www.catrec.com/kc/both/? 22:51:11 any suggestions? 22:51:17 LOL 22:51:22 the first set of mp3s are really old, we've gotten a lot better 22:51:24 omg that is a funny pic 22:51:43 I am going to have sooo much fun with that and the gimp tonight >=] 22:51:56 standing in the death car is prett fun from that one 22:51:58 heh 22:52:02 fast forward too 22:52:02 ink: which one? morton? 22:52:05 i almost forgot how buttugly that guy in the pic is 22:52:09 ya 22:52:15 i've got to stop sending out that as my pic 22:52:21 the first 4-5 are good from both 22:52:22 get some new ones off uglypeople.com heh 22:52:23 ha ha. talk about cruel. :-) 22:52:23 lol 22:52:28 nothing bad will I do 22:52:28 er ww.catrec.com/kc/both/ 22:52:33 only crazy filters 22:52:38 to make it look trippy 22:52:40 from www.catrec.com/kc/tng/ the second half is better 22:52:47 now brb for those few minutes ;] 22:53:19 but the recording on the tng show was a lot worse 22:53:40 we aint the best band in the world, but we have a lot of fun 22:53:45 heh, focus pocus. :-P 22:53:45 anyway 22:53:49 just to make sure you know 22:53:51 that pic wasn't me 22:53:53 we're gonna get a little more serious here soon, and maybe get better 22:54:12 i am infinitely more handsome in real life 22:54:26 oh man, another self-proclaimed guy. 22:54:31 heh 22:54:42 but i ain't posting any real pics of myself on the net 22:54:49 just like foofoo 22:54:52 um. 22:54:59 so what was the one you just sent? 22:55:11 that is off uglypeople.com 22:55:12 heh heh 22:55:14 :-P 22:55:16 weirdo 22:55:17 --- nick: gpf -> SegFault 22:55:20 --- nick: SegFault -> gpf 22:55:24 the stereotypical nerd 22:55:50 back again 22:56:00 morton: the send stopped. 22:56:07 actually i took it off www.infonexus.com/About 22:56:14 but i think he got it off uglypeople 22:56:15 :-P 22:56:26 lol 22:56:29 foofoo 22:56:30 uglypeople.com 22:56:32 my bandwidth is precious 22:56:37 i am going to leech some warez 22:56:42 i cannot afford to send mpgs right now 22:56:49 ugh. 22:56:51 you should be able to see geist though 22:57:00 did you try playing it? 22:57:17 no, because WMP doesn't seem to want to play an incomplete MPEG. 22:57:20 * ink takes the moment to once again comment on the high quality of this grateful dead concert 22:57:20 don't ask me why. 22:57:22 yeah, I seem to look like and overweight woman according for a few peoeple here 22:57:30 uh 22:57:32 I am guessing it was a soundboard patch... mmmmm 22:57:40 ugh 22:57:42 geist 22:57:45 that was a first impression 22:57:49 i didn't look closely enough 22:57:50 haha 22:58:05 morton: how about this, play the video, take a screenshot of a frame with him in it, and send it to me. 22:58:10 :-P 22:59:13 me too 23:00:16 heh 23:00:38 foofoo : now that I listen to it again, the second show is terrible sounding 23:00:50 both is the first, tng is the second 23:00:53 morton: try that one since we're swapping fake self-portraits. 23:01:28 * ink anxiously awaits completion of the d/l 23:01:29 ok 23:01:31 this is a screencap 23:01:34 there we go 23:01:36 of the mpg 23:01:37 now 23:01:41 geist is in the blue shirt 23:01:44 with the long hair 23:01:51 only guy you can see with a blue shirt 23:01:56 it's hard to see his face 23:02:01 that's the best shot i could get out of the mpg 23:02:03 um, he has his back turned toward the camera. 23:02:07 right 23:02:13 you can only see my back 23:02:15 yes 23:02:15 i said 23:02:18 his face was obscured 23:02:22 how the hell did you come to the conclusion that he is an obese woman from it? 23:02:24 you can kind of see his face a little big 23:02:25 bit 23:02:33 uhm 23:02:35 1) long hair 23:02:37 2) puffy shirt 23:02:38 i think you just wanted to call geist an obese woman. :-P 23:02:46 it LOOKED like a woman 23:02:48 from first glance 23:02:51 eew windows 23:02:53 puffy shirt? not really. 23:03:01 ink: note the ip address 23:03:02 you can tell he isn't fat. 23:03:17 heh 23:03:18 actually 23:03:18 long hair, it could be anybody. 23:03:19 BAH 23:03:23 morton: you use aol?! 23:03:26 windows media player is better than anything linux has 23:03:35 thats true =[ 23:03:36 well 23:03:43 mplayer with svgalib works well for me =] 23:03:47 svgalib!?!?!?! 23:03:49 EWWW 23:03:52 svgalib= shite 23:03:52 the guy next to me with the monitor is ficus 23:04:00 * ink [heart] svgalib 23:04:06 ink: about the aol 23:04:09 dbg is two more down from ficus 23:04:10 geist: i'm just looking at a screenshot. 23:04:11 yeah? 23:04:15 he wouldn't send the entire video. 23:04:18 1) cable and dsl are unavailable in my area 23:04:18 the bastard. 23:04:29 brian swetland is two in from me. black shirt 23:04:29 get anything thats not aol =P 23:04:39 2) i have to pay for all internet i want EXCEPT this, cuz this is my family's crap 23:04:43 3) i am very cheap and lazy 23:04:51 4) i am too lazy to buy a new dialup account 23:04:55 5) this is free 23:05:04 6) if cable ever arrives in this godforsaken habitat 23:05:06 free/my parents paid for it. 23:05:06 free is good 23:05:07 i will get it 23:05:13 right now 23:05:21 i don't feel like dishing out more money for 56k connect 23:05:24 * ink watches part of a phish show in aalib 23:05:35 geist: Open Your Heart is pretty cool. 23:05:41 uhm 23:05:42 those first few mp3s kinda sucked. 23:05:43 uh 23:05:44 uh 23:05:46 whoa 23:05:51 brian swetland 23:05:54 is the guy in the black shirt? 23:06:21 whoa 23:06:26 it looks good in aalib 23:06:26 now HE's a porker 23:06:38 :) 23:06:49 ink ugh 23:06:54 jesus morton. 23:06:57 hehe 23:07:06 do you have some kind of fetish for crappy lowlevel hack graphics libraries? 23:07:10 :) 23:07:13 YES! 23:07:19 i mean 23:07:23 use X, for crissakes 23:07:27 uh, isn't aalib ascii art? 23:07:30 SVGAlib and AAlib code dumps are what I use for bibles =P 23:07:31 yes 23:07:33 aalib is ascii 23:07:34 AGH! 23:07:36 I HATE X! 23:07:42 NO X NO X NO X NO X 23:07:43 and it is a crappy lowlevel graphics hack library 23:07:44 kjahkjhegd 23:07:47 ink 23:07:48 ink: looking at pictures in ascii? 23:07:49 X can be nice 23:07:51 you must be desperate. 23:07:53 if you have good hardware 23:07:53 foofoo : yeah, the recordings are not as good as live, and that isn't the best 23:07:58 what is wrong with X/ 23:07:59 ? 23:08:02 oh well, I dont like to be reminded of that 23:08:23 everything is wrong with X 23:08:32 mainly the fact that the drivers for this card really really suck 23:08:34 it isn't the best designed thing in the world 23:08:35 but i mean 23:08:39 it does its job 23:08:41 it is really slow 23:08:55 happy new years, everybody. 23:08:56 you try writing a widely used transparently networked distributed graphics display system 23:08:59 the right side of my screen is doubled over and statickey and liney 23:09:08 that's the fault of your hardware, heh 23:09:12 and I hate X so very, very much 23:09:20 X is fine on every computer i run it on 23:09:21 it USED to work 23:09:25 ink: just use windows and stop your bitching. :-P 23:09:25 back in the 3x days 23:09:29 AGH 23:09:33 get a nice well supported video card 23:09:35 tho I do have win98 on this box 23:09:37 tri-boot 23:09:44 windows 98, debian, slackware 23:09:47 pick up an old Mach64 23:09:51 ati xpert 2000 23:09:53 morton: I did 23:09:59 it did not work at all =/ 23:10:00 multi-boot is a more adequate term. we don't care what OSes you have installed. 23:10:05 ugh 23:10:06 :-) 23:10:11 you've got serious hardware problems ink 23:10:15 debian AND slackware. 23:10:15 lol 23:10:16 tri-boot. three OSs 23:10:19 i suggest asking your parents to shell out some cash for a new computer 23:10:26 ink: yes, i saw you the first time. 23:10:29 i meant what i said. 23:10:32 I love slackware and the lazy side of me likes debian 23:10:44 hehe 23:10:47 actually 23:10:54 you could use your indigo as a workstation 23:10:58 nooooo 23:11:03 do you know how slow that is? 23:11:08 that's probably got better X performance than your intel box 23:11:10 uhm 23:11:17 it's not that slow is it? 23:11:18 i mean 23:11:20 all I could do with it is telnet into another box and use bitchx and vi 23:11:21 indigo isn't THAT old 23:11:29 netscape should run fine on it 23:11:39 morton: load xwindows on a 486 and see what it does. 23:11:42 you're probably running some botched up irix 23:12:03 yeah 23:12:03 what did people do when that machine was first released? obviously they had to use it as a workstation 23:12:10 they probably did more than just use vi and bitchx 23:12:11 I think my irix install is probably not correct 23:12:11 heh 23:12:19 hehehe 23:12:22 yeah well... 23:12:28 people were more patient back then =] 23:12:28 i think 23:12:36 you need to get a fresh irix install 23:12:42 and maybe upgrade the cpu to an r4k 23:12:42 I've tried 23:12:44 or something 23:12:48 mmm, I wish 23:12:50 btw 23:12:58 does that thing get really hot? 23:12:59 if you give me an r4k chip... ;] 23:13:03 i heard the sgi's are noisy+hot 23:13:06 it gets warm 23:13:21 I have used the PS fan to dry my hands before 23:13:27 nice warm air 23:13:27 hahahaaha 23:13:32 lol! 23:13:38 you could use it in the winter 23:13:40 as a space heater 23:13:46 like those hand blow-dryers at public bathrooms 23:13:58 no, for that I use the SGI Monitor I have 23:14:06 heh 23:14:08 daaaaamn, that thing just radiates tons of heat =] 23:14:13 take a pic of that monitor 23:14:16 uh, you use the PS fan to dry your hands? what, do you have a PC next to your sink? 23:14:18 and the whole indigo setup 23:14:26 ink 23:14:28 digicam! 23:14:28 digicam! 23:14:30 :) 23:14:43 asscam! 23:14:44 asscam! 23:14:46 :-P 23:14:51 heh 23:14:57 www.foofooass.com/webcam 23:15:03 oooo 23:15:06 nice! 23:15:15 durrr 23:15:15 sooo flabby and white! 23:15:19 SECKSI 23:15:36 flabby huh? 23:15:37 :-P 23:15:57 stop projecting yourself onto others. :-) 23:15:57 ink 23:16:03 look for r4k 23:16:04 on ebay 23:16:07 hehe 23:16:09 or some upgrade kit for indigo 23:16:14 you could probably get it for piss cheap 23:16:19 * ink <= without money =P 23:16:24 heh 23:16:28 bum some off alter :P 23:16:30 well 23:16:37 planning computer upgrade 23:16:43 so money is being saved kinda 23:16:55 heh 23:17:00 save up some cash and buy an Octane 23:17:02 and I will need money to repair that vw bus... 23:17:31 ooo vw hippie bus 23:17:37 with flowers painted on the side of it?!? 23:17:47 and wavy polychromatic designs? 23:17:51 burst into flames 23:17:59 hehehe 23:18:32 I was jokinga about that one day when traffic was backed up, and it turned out to be a vw bus that burst into flames 23:18:34 morton is hepped up on goof balls. 23:18:47 hehehe 23:19:05 * ink wants goof balls 23:19:06 wait 23:19:09 no 23:19:10 wtf is a goofball? 23:19:11 not goof balls 23:19:16 goof balls = alkeyhol 23:19:22 oooooohh 23:19:23 me took some nutmeg 23:19:25 er 23:19:29 /me 23:19:31 whatever you want it to be. 23:19:32 hehe 23:19:40 a whole bottle of nutmeg! 23:19:42 yay! 23:19:48 crazy man 23:20:01 actually 23:20:05 what is really intense 23:20:05 is 23:20:09 Robotussin 23:20:11 i actually tried that 23:20:14 i drank like 23:20:16 almost 23:20:18 a whole bottle 23:20:20 a few days ago 23:20:50 thanks for letting us know you aren't old enough to buy beer. 23:21:03 oh 23:21:09 robotussin is much better than beer 23:21:21 much much better 23:21:28 as ink will undoubtedly agree 23:21:28 LO! 23:21:29 robobeer. beer with attitude 23:21:46 hehehe 23:21:49 tea great 23:21:52 * ink never been robo-tripping 23:21:58 hey nate! 23:21:58 roboing rocks ink 23:22:01 try it 23:22:04 hehehe 23:22:05 i highly recommend it 23:22:11 seriously 23:22:16 just go and get a bottle right now :) 23:22:17 it has been recommended by the ~. crew as well 23:22:36 only problem is, you are liable to do some weird stuff while on it 23:22:46 * ink has a little green and a phish concert in AAlib so life is good =] 23:22:50 i seriously like tea more then coffee now 23:22:52 hm. i had some tylenol cough syrup that had about 1000 mg per serving. 23:22:57 that light show rendered to ascii was pretty fucking cool 23:22:59 that stuff will numb your senses. 23:23:05 i even went driving after taking it. 23:23:06 ahha 23:23:09 a little green 23:23:10 nate37: I like tea a lot, but only iced tea 23:23:15 don't much care for hot tea 23:23:18 ink: ice tea is good 23:23:22 Arizona Ice Tea is good 23:23:23 herbal tea is good accept expensive 23:23:28 Arizona Ice Tea > Sobe 23:23:36 cheap tea not heavly brewed is great 23:23:40 yay! harry hood! 23:23:53 nate37: saw remnance of the grateful dead last night 23:24:13 Phil Lesh and Friends + Ratdog 23:24:16 ink: cool 23:24:22 6hr long hehehe 23:24:43 mannn.. good show hehe 23:24:48 heh 23:24:55 yay! harry hood! 23:25:00 ink: live? 23:25:02 are you high, ink? 23:25:16 not really 23:25:20 nate37: yes 23:25:24 well, not harry hood 23:25:40 that is the mpg I have in the background in AAlib 23:25:41 "not really" == " hell yeah" 23:25:54 lol, no 23:26:21 heh 23:26:24 ink is perpetually high 23:26:27 hehe 23:26:31 he has mj in his blood stream 23:26:43 * ink has a THC gland 23:27:16 nate37: get that comic from lennie yet? 23:28:04 hmm, I should hack color-text support into AAlib >=] 23:28:54 heh 23:28:59 you should get a life P 23:29:00 :P 23:29:01 j/k 23:29:13 seriously though, what is the point of aalib :P 23:29:43 bbl, stuff to do 23:30:03 ink: no :( nor my stove for xmas :( 23:31:17 bbiab 23:41:52 --- join: kapple (dutkiewicz@102.portland-08-09rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #osdev 23:43:22 --- nick: kapple -> knyx 23:57:32 --- quit: foofoo () 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/01.12.31