00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/02.06.07 00:07:06 --- join: trans (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 00:55:08 --- quit: witten (Remote closed the connection) 01:12:54 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:24:42 --- join: yuriz (~yuriz@rcr.teraflops.com) joined #osdev 01:26:39 hello all 01:27:27 Sweden beats Nigeria!! :) 01:29:51 Pryvit! 01:30:30 rob_ert : hej :) You really like Ukrainian ;) 01:30:35 Hehe 01:30:39 Wish I knew more of it ;) 01:30:56 Mmm... went to the lake again yesterday, it's getting warmet incredibly fast! 01:31:04 warmer* 01:31:08 yep 01:31:10 here too 01:31:21 +25 daytime, very nice 01:31:41 esp. comparing with Ukraine - weather is very rainy there 01:32:00 I mean, the water temperature :) 01:32:14 The air temperature has been around 25 quite a long timw-. 01:32:22 ahh 01:32:24 But just recently, the lake became warm, too. 01:32:42 I'm still amazed, it took just 3 days to go from "damn cold", to "warm". :) 01:32:56 I didn't tried either Pyha:ja:rvi or Na:sija:rvi yet ;) 01:33:04 s/tried/try 01:33:39 Our local lake (less than a 5 minute walk from here) is called Lillsjön. 01:35:26 Hmm... I should continue on my Mandelbrot viewer. 01:35:46 I found out that if you modified the alhorithm, you got a picture that reminds of New Zealand or maybe Japan. 01:37:18 It's mostly a practice so I'll learn how to use the FPU anyway... 02:03:27 --- join: tenzin (xtofu@p142-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 02:07:48 --- join: trans (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 03:03:49 --- join: zinten (xtofu@p611-tnt1.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 03:03:50 --- quit: tenzin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:07:21 --- nick: zinten -> tenzin 03:07:40 Heyhey 03:07:52 hey rob_Ert 03:08:09 TennZink 03:20:02 --- quit: lar1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:21:49 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:32:53 can you boil vegetables and pasta in the one pot? 03:33:35 mmm I dunno 03:34:01 try! 03:34:22 i will. 03:34:33 actually yes it's possible 03:35:17 did you know you can increase your iron intake by cooking pasta sauce in an iron pot? 03:36:31 nope 03:36:56 did you know dialing *82(phone number) on your cellphone will pass your cellphone number through the system on call display 03:37:57 No Name though :| 03:38:56 --- join: oink_ (~ziga@void.phear.org) joined #osdev 03:38:58 --- quit: oink_ (Client Quit) 03:41:34 * file pokes people 03:45:29 *sigh* 03:45:31 nobody is alive 03:47:16 :D 03:47:27 fine, talk in here 03:48:33 * rob_ert screams in file's ear. 03:57:49 file: umm.. caller id is always on on mobiles by default? (here in au at least) 04:08:25 --- join: trans (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 04:08:33 --- quit: Rico (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:26:14 --- quit: tenzin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:26:28 --- join: tenzin (xtofu@p611-tnt1.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 04:26:48 not my day today 04:26:52 Nope. 04:30:40 --- join: tirloni (gpt@neutron.tirloni.org) joined #osdev 04:33:15 --- join: lynx (~lynx@p50809A66.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:33:51 hey rob_ert 04:34:30 --- nick: lynx -> lynx_food 04:36:08 --- quit: Zenton (Remote closed the connection) 04:39:32 --- join: delphinus (~peter@61-217-217-162.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #osdev 04:44:09 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:23:46 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@gstw-d9b89f3b.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 05:23:56 hiyall 05:36:46 --- join: lodda (lodda@p508FC978.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:48:20 --- quit: Mathis ("Client exited") 05:53:32 --- join: Raptor-32 (~rick@stpras01-p37.mts.net) joined #osdev 06:03:04 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust41.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 06:04:34 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@ppp193.ppp5.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 06:05:26 --- quit: ChillySpy (Client Quit) 06:09:05 --- join: trans (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 06:09:40 good day all, time for schol 06:09:44 school even 06:09:45 --- quit: Raptor-32 ("BitchX: nine out of ten doctors recommend it") 06:22:54 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.78) joined #osdev 06:33:30 --- join: DRF (~daniel@host213-121-70-85.surfport24.v21.co.uk) joined #osdev 06:34:32 --- quit: DRF (Client Quit) 06:34:34 --- quit: kupak () 06:38:03 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@ppp193.ppp5.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 07:24:28 --- quit: ChillySpy () 07:31:16 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:32:40 --- quit: tirloni ("brb") 07:48:42 --- nick: lynx_food -> lynx 08:38:36 --- join: trans (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 08:58:29 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:12:59 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:18:11 --- quit: delphinus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:21:00 --- join: kupak (~vacsda@195.228.89.33) joined #osdev 09:21:06 hi 09:21:14 Hi kupak. 09:26:24 --- join: jace48 (~jace48@203.195.175.54) joined #osdev 09:27:32 --- quit: jace48 (Client Quit) 09:35:40 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@ppp160.ppp4.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 09:40:12 --- join: darkito (darkito@62-37-117-212.dialup.uni2.es) joined #osdev 09:40:39 hihi 09:40:48 Hey! 09:41:05 roberto! 09:41:21 how's going? 09:41:21 El Darkito XD 09:41:24 Fine, fine... 09:41:32 hahaha 09:41:47 :) 09:48:21 --- quit: Javanx (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:48:48 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.78) joined #osdev 09:55:00 --- join: jace48 (~jace48@203.195.175.54) joined #osdev 09:56:10 --- part: ChillySpy left #osdev 10:20:17 --- nick: Jeroen_ -> Jeroen 10:27:46 --- quit: Javanx ("I don't feel a thing, and i stopped remembering. The days are just like moments tourned to hours") 10:33:01 --- join: mur (ammu@baana-62-165-189-112.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 10:36:06 --- join: Jukka (ammu@baana-62-165-189-112.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 10:37:18 --- quit: mur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:37:57 --- nick: Jukka -> mur 10:40:02 re 10:40:04 wake up channel ! 10:40:13 pfft 10:40:17 --- join: trans (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 10:40:20 don`t stress meeeeeeee 10:40:20 * darkito yawns 10:43:12 hrmm? 10:43:19 lynx? 10:43:26 wussapi little nikoaa? 10:43:59 nikoaa? 10:44:13 me is searching docs about mode-x 10:44:14 your name wiyth many typos 10:44:33 lol 10:45:28 lynx you are a browser 10:45:35 no 10:45:40 ever ehard of atari lynx? 10:45:51 atari ? 10:46:01 ... 10:46:05 jes 10:46:14 ATARI /|\ 10:46:23 the best stuff ever made 10:46:27 i know atari,but how comes ? 10:46:36 i love atari 10:46:38 =) 10:46:39 anyway ,it was amiga !!!!!!!!!!!! 10:46:46 ? 10:46:51 it was atari lynx 10:46:57 i have one in pieces next to me 10:47:38 i mean,the "the best stuff ever made" 10:47:45 lol 10:47:47 no 10:47:54 amiga is evil ;) 10:48:08 bbr 10:48:12 damn typos 10:48:13 brb 10:48:22 your os ? 10:48:37 your os sounds like euros 10:48:49 lol 10:53:22 --- quit: jace48 ("Huh?") 10:54:51 short_v = &mbr[14]; 10:54:51 fat.rsvd_sec_cnt = *short_v; 10:55:02 is there a nicer way to do this ? 10:55:15 mbr is a char array 10:59:41 *((cast *) &mbr[14]) 10:59:49 ? 11:00:01 it works ? 11:01:09 maybe 11:01:32 i thought of this,but didnt try 11:04:30 it is time of my favorite soap opera,brb 11:05:34 :) 11:05:42 cya 11:13:04 --- join: gedamo (gdm@gedamo.demon.co.uk) joined #osdev 11:26:59 --- join: puppy (puppy@roc-66-67-55-246.rochester.rr.com) joined #osdev 11:28:55 --- quit: puppy (Client Quit) 11:33:19 --- join: nothing (nm@pcp01518417pcs.reding01.pa.comcast.net) joined #osdev 11:39:27 re 11:39:50 wibble 11:39:58 hi ged 11:40:05 howdy! 11:40:53 oh shit,got to leave again :) 11:40:56 brb :) 11:41:39 The Great Gedamo, Warlock of the London Abyss - will ONE NIGHT ONLY, perform a wonderful feat of conziganation! Tickets on sale NOW! 11:42:06 :) 11:42:07 uh 11:42:11 I got hilighted ?! 11:42:19 wtf 11:42:36 [20:41] Highlights: 11:42:36 [20:41] 1 oink 11:42:36 [20:41] 2 koin 11:42:36 [20:41] 3 ziga 11:42:42 ah 11:42:43 'ziga' 11:42:44 lol. 11:42:49 oink, oink, my good man 11:42:57 Go on, then I'll bite what does ' conziganation' mean? 11:43:01 (movie reference, if you know which one) 11:43:13 gedamo: it's a magickal word i made up on the spot 11:43:23 fair enough :) 11:43:50 and the movie was National Lampoon's European Vacation... 11:44:25 I was never keen on the vacation movies 11:45:01 it's pretty funny 11:45:02 heh 11:45:10 it's a parody of the American Nuclear Family (tm) 11:45:44 No wAnimal House is funny 11:50:31 mm? 11:50:50 oink?? 11:55:45 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:59:43 --- join: kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@2Cust7.tnt6.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 12:00:01 hey 12:00:08 hi 12:00:32 what does gedamo mean anyway? 12:00:52 That's for me to know, and you to worry about ;) 12:01:06 all well, you know C right? 12:01:17 yes 12:01:41 I want to be able to push the value of one indice into another, like move them into another order 12:01:44 here is what I have 12:02:10 char array[3] = {'1', '2', '3'}; 12:02:15 for(i=0; i<3; i++) { 12:02:31 array[i] = array[i+1]; 12:02:39 printf("%c\n", array[i]); 12:02:41 } 12:02:45 --- join: lodda (lodda@p508FFA20.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 12:02:48 but that doesn't work 12:03:34 does it print 1 2 ? 12:03:41 yeah 12:04:05 what I am trying to do is go 2, 3, 1 12:04:17 you're assigning array[2]=array[3] but array[3] doesn't exist 12:04:35 oh, yeah 12:04:44 so if I did array[4] 12:04:47 you want (i+1) mod 3 12:04:57 can't remember if mod is c hold on 12:05:06 don't think so... 12:05:33 try [(i+1)%3] 12:05:45 ok, hold on 12:06:00 should I also change array[3] to array[4]? 12:06:08 no 12:06:17 --- join: gpf (~ben@h0020af25039b.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #osdev 12:06:51 it prints 2, 3, 2, I want 2, 3, 1 12:08:34 kunphuzil : you overwrite '1' at the first step 12:08:54 Doh! 12:09:10 aux = array[i]; 12:09:10 yeah I just saw that 12:09:34 array[i] = array[i+1]; 12:09:58 uhmm never mind that 12:09:59 that is what I had 12:09:59 heh 12:09:59 but it doesn't work 12:10:35 you'll need two arrays or at least a temp value for the first element 12:10:38 --- join: Rico (Rico@node-c-1c6a.a2000.nl) joined #osdev 12:11:06 yeah 12:13:37 --- nick: lynx -> lynx_on_oce 12:13:42 --- nick: lynx_on_oce -> lynx_on_ice 12:15:03 got it 12:15:04 ! 12:15:22 it is kind of a cheap way of doing it though 12:15:31 as long as it works 12:15:45 int i; char array[3] = {'1', '2', '3'}, tmp; 12:15:55 tmp = array[0]; 12:16:03 for(i=0; i<2; i++) { 12:16:14 array[i] = array[(i+1)%3]; 12:16:21 printf("%c\n", array[i]); 12:16:26 } 12:16:28 printf("%c\n", tmp); 12:16:45 now it will print 2, 3, 1 12:16:50 you don't need the '%3' anymore 12:16:55 yeah guess so 12:17:42 thanks 12:17:57 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust187.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 12:18:04 hello I44or 12:19:49 gedamo: I am also getting this error when I am trying to compile the interpreter from the book 'C: the Complete Ref': 12:20:59 PARSER.C:518: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `isdelim' with no type 12:21:11 getting a lot of those, and when I give it a type I get erros too 12:21:23 show me line 518 12:21:50 k 12:22:20 isdelim(char c) 12:22:52 line 518 is actually a { but I figured the prob was in 517 (the one shown) 12:22:54 is it a forward declaration of a function? 12:23:18 what do you mean? 12:23:55 sorry if it's followed by a { it presumably is declaring a function 12:24:24 yeah I knew that 12:24:47 but if I give it a type (i.e. void) it gives errors too 12:25:08 how big is the function? can you show the whole thing to me? 12:25:13 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp79333.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 12:25:15 yeah hold on 12:25:36 isdelim(char c) 12:25:42 { 12:26:05 if(strchr(" !;,+-<>'/*%^=()", c) || c==9 || 12:26:17 c=='\r' || c==0) return 1; 12:26:21 return 0; 12:26:22 } 12:26:36 looks like it should be type int 12:30:09 phil, are you trying to write a compiler? 12:30:10 i compiled in a windows from a friend and it worked fine, but ill try int 12:30:13 yeah, now I just errors from all the other lines, but not 518 :-) 12:30:25 kunphuzil backwards programs 12:30:27 progress 12:30:29 all of the functions that give errors are funcname(char c) or funcname(char *s), would it be safe to put int on them all? 12:30:45 I suspect that some compilers will assume type int if it isn't specified 12:31:16 yeah try putting int on them 12:31:20 nothing : sort of, I am looking at a small C interpreter for help 12:32:41 is this for Numerical? 12:33:44 nothing : first I want to get the small C interpreter working and see HOW it works, then i will work on one for numerical 12:38:33 getch(), and getche(), are in conio.h for DOS, would I use curses.h for linux? 12:40:06 looks like it 12:40:53 do you know where I can get it? 12:41:00 i don't have it 12:41:45 do have a directory in your /usr/include called ncurses? 12:43:25 --- join: Aardappel (~Aardappel@217.7.138.114) joined #osdev 12:43:40 no 12:44:03 what ver linux? 12:44:31 2.0.29 12:44:32 2.4.8 12:44:36 i have root on his box, it's 2.0.29 12:44:44 no you don't 12:45:03 I mean what distribution? redhat, debian ... 12:45:06 kunphuzil: don't talk back to me or i may have to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda 12:45:08 ;( 12:45:25 gedamo: mandrake 12:46:15 do you have the cds? maybe it's a package that wasn't installed 12:46:22 yeah I got them 12:47:52 my curses.h is in a package called ncurses-devel 12:48:28 --- join: _kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@1Cust16.tnt12.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 12:49:12 mandrake is built on redhat, right? 12:49:25 <_kunphuzil> I don't know, is it? 12:49:46 --- quit: kunphuzil (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: _kunphuzil!~kunphuzil@1Cust16.tnt12.phoenix.az.da.uu.net))) 12:49:52 --- nick: _kunphuzil -> kunphuzil 12:50:05 it was at one point 12:51:44 oh 12:51:52 what does 'abuse' do in my irc client? 12:52:25 * gedamo shrugs 12:53:21 try 'rpm -q ncurses' and 'rpm -q ncurses-devel' 12:53:27 --- quit: corsairk8 () 12:53:39 k 12:54:31 it said ncurses-5.2-16mdk 12:56:08 --- nick: kunphuzil -> asldjkfsadfk 12:56:23 --- nick: asldjkfsadfk -> kunphuzil 12:56:49 so how would I install it? 12:56:59 rpm -? ncurses? 12:57:16 the question mark being the option to isntall 12:57:54 if you know where the .rpm file is it's 'rpm -i ncurses-devel-n.n.rpm' 12:57:59 where n.n is the version number 12:59:13 it says I don't have ncurses-devel, but I do have ncurses 12:59:15 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@gstw-d9b89f3e.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 12:59:38 it'll be on your cds somewhere 12:59:45 --- quit: Aardappel ("http://wouter.fov120.com/") 12:59:53 ok 13:01:24 have to check the next cd 13:02:39 can't find it on that one either 13:02:43 next one 13:04:08 found it! 13:04:39 --- join: Aardappel (~Aardappel@217.7.138.114) joined #osdev 13:04:49 was it the last cd? :) 13:05:09 yeah 13:05:34 :) 13:06:11 ok, it says it is already installed, I did trying downloading an ncurses package and tried making it, but it failed and so I deleted it, and plus it was an rpm 13:06:26 it wasn't an rpm, sorry 13:06:32 ncurses-devel? 13:06:49 probably 13:07:05 ncurses and ncurses-devel are 2 differnet packages 13:07:30 yeah, and so i don't know why it would say that if I can't find ncurses in /usr/include 13:08:00 try rpm -ql ncurses-devel 13:08:06 k 13:08:24 that will list the files if it's installed 13:08:34 it is says it isn't isntalled 13:08:58 aha! ncurses is in /usr/share!!!!! 13:09:27 no that's just the terminal info 13:09:43 yeah, you are right 13:09:47 was it ncurses-devel you tried installing from your cd? 13:10:12 no, ncurses, not the devel version 13:10:41 it's the devel you need for the include files 13:10:56 yeah, and it is not on the CD, so I guess I should google 13:11:20 I'm surprised it's not on the cds 13:12:02 me too, and im supprised it didn't install it because i installed the developer tools when install the OS 13:12:27 --- quit: lodda (Connection timed out) 13:14:22 http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2064&lang=en 13:14:23 should I look for an ncurses-devel that is the same version as my ncurses? 13:15:04 apparently mandrake has it's own version of rpm 13:15:10 I also found this http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/mandrake/updates/7.1/RPMS/ncurses-devel-5.2-12.2mdk.i586.html 13:15:57 oh, actually i am 8.1, not 7.1 so I don't think I want the link I just posted 13:18:22 thanks for the link 13:18:38 is it any use? 13:19:39 gedamo: do you ever drink at pubs? 13:19:52 not recently 13:21:33 kunphuzil: try urpmi ncurses-devel 13:22:51 gedamo: it worked, but I gotto go 13:22:59 see ya later 13:23:09 --- quit: kunphuzil (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:25:49 --- join: kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@1Cust4.tnt14.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 13:25:53 back 13:26:46 so did it install curses.h in /usr/include ? 13:32:08 hey 13:32:09 yeah 13:32:09 that Software Installer works good, no I don't have to search on the web or download as many packages anymore 13:32:18 is getche in curses.h? 13:32:21 go to http://www.pienikarhu.tk/ to get me know about how the stats wok 13:32:54 wierd if I used, getche, I get the error that it is undeclared, and if i use getch, i get about 5 more errors 13:33:00 I must admit I don't recognise getche 13:33:36 yeah me neither 13:34:26 but if I use getche, i only get the error that it is undefined, but if i use getch, i get: 13:34:54 tmp/ccenkpXv.o: In function `getnum(void)': /tmp/ccenkpXv.o(.text+0x1ee): the `gets' function is dangerous and should not be used. /tmp/ccsCsQVv.o: In function `main': /tmp/ccsCsQVv.o(.text+0x72): undefined reference to `load_program(char *, char *)' /tmp/ccenkpXv.o: In function `call_getche(void)': /tmp/ccenkpXv.o(.text+0xb): undefined reference to `stdscr' /tmp/ccenkpXv.o(.text+0x10): undefined reference to `wgetch' collect2: ld ret 13:35:11 eeek! 13:39:57 ,,02000221 13:39:57 yeah! 13:39:57 plus it is telling me that gets is dangerous, shouldn't that be for me to decide? 13:40:01 kunphuzil: is this originally a dos program? 13:40:28 for (i=0; i I found a reference to getche here http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/libc/libc_360.html 13:40:36 printf("Error!\n"); 13:40:38 } 13:40:44 gedamo: i think so 13:40:46 it works fine in DOS (on a friends machine) 13:41:23 what I don't understand is that if i use getch, which is legal i get all those errors 13:41:56 ,,02000221 13:42:01 éá.- 13:42:09 what is that kupak? 13:42:46 mnn máõ 13:42:48 gedamo: it says it is not ANSI or POSIX compliant 13:43:51 I think getc is the ansi/posix version 13:48:06 wait a mo; getch is in ncurses 13:48:07 ill try that 13:48:10 i get the same erros as with getch 13:48:12 (look above at garbage) 13:48:31 are you linkinng any libraries? 13:48:52 what do you mean? 13:49:09 -lncurses 13:49:31 oh, no, I though i would just include ncurses.h? 13:49:56 I reckon you'll have to link the libraries 13:51:08 so: gcc -lncurses PARSER.C LITTLEC.C LCLIB.C -o cint? 13:51:17 yes 13:51:27 assuming you don't need any other libraries 13:51:49 tmp/cci1ryYB.o: In function `getnum(void)': /tmp/cci1ryYB.o(.text+0x1ee): the `gets' function is dangerous and should not be used. /tmp/ccMKg5YD.o: In function `main': /tmp/ccMKg5YD.o(.text+0x72): undefined reference to `load_program(char *, char *)' /tmp/cckZ9six.o(.data+0x4): undefined reference to `call_getche(void)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 13:52:25 that's an improvement though, right? :) 13:52:25 oh, there is still some getche's that need to be getch's 13:53:13 --- join: Zenton (~vicente@8.Red-80-34-35.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #osdev 13:54:42 hi all 13:54:43 even less errors now: 13:54:43 tmp/ccl309s3.o: In function `getnum(void)': /tmp/ccl309s3.o(.text+0x1ee): the `gets' function is dangerous and should not be used. /tmp/ccFSFMDj.o: In function `main': /tmp/ccFSFMDj.o(.text+0x72): undefined reference to `load_program(char *, char *)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 13:54:47 should i use getch in stead of gets? 13:54:55 hey 13:55:05 the gets man page recommends fgets 13:55:25 I think you'll still be missing load_program 13:55:49 are there any other src files that need to be compiled? 14:05:56 no 14:05:57 don't think so 14:05:57 --- quit: kunphuzil (Excess Flood) 14:06:03 --- join: kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@1Cust4.tnt14.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 14:09:47 --- quit: darkito (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:14:27 what happened? 14:14:39 *** Signoff: kunphuzil (Excess Flood) 14:15:07 what does that mean? 14:15:22 you sent too much info, too quickly 14:15:30 oh 14:16:09 server discarded you :) 14:16:51 well now all i am getting is that gets is bad and i am not allowed to use it 14:17:23 you fixed the load_program? 14:17:58 gedamo: i had accidentally typed fs in from of it when trying to do Alt+File+save to save the file 14:18:11 * gedamo nods 14:18:51 * kunphuzil wonders what it should use for gets 14:19:04 * kunphuzil thinks that fgets is for files 14:19:08 re: gets; is it just a warning; i.e. does it create the executable? 14:19:26 doh!!!!!! 14:19:30 yeah it does 14:19:49 well go on then, compile a program with it :) 14:19:50 how stupid!!! 14:20:59 not working... 14:21:18 there it goes 14:21:30 it is actually just an interpreter, not a compiler 14:22:25 --- quit: kupak () 14:23:12 well go on then, interpret a program with it :) 14:24:20 --- join: SLACKo (~SLACKo@65.199.129.245) joined #osdev 14:24:21 weird, when i use the test program provided it works fine, but if i use mine, just a hello world, it just sits there in an endless loop of expecting input 14:24:50 does the test program print something out? 14:25:24 didn't think of that, Herb likes to use get[s, ch, che] not scanf and he also likes put[s, ch. che] not printf... 14:25:40 maybe he didn't impliment printf and scanf... 14:26:41 damn, it is still not working, even with puts 14:27:57 let's see your hello, world 14:28:37 int the example he didn't have any headers so this is what I have: 14:28:42 main() 14:28:44 { 14:28:53 puts("Hello World!"); 14:28:58 return 0; 14:28:59 } 14:29:13 miss out the return 14:29:39 oh yes, he doesn't have one there... 14:30:10 nope, still doesn't work 14:34:29 Well, I don't know; it has me beat 14:34:42 don't you hate it when things don't work? 14:35:36 yeah, i am trying to narrow down what he has in his ex and comment out things til i find out what i need in it 14:36:01 what was that for? 14:36:19 I can't see what could be simpler than your hello, world 14:36:23 what? 14:36:30 the ping 14:36:45 I thought you might have dropped off again 14:36:50 oh, no 14:36:56 :) 14:38:16 still haven't :) 14:39:07 right, I gotta go 14:39:17 good luck with little c 14:39:18 i commented out a lot, down to just a getch and puts, then tried it an it didn't work, then i uncommented it, so it was the same as it was, and then it still didn't work.. see ya 14:39:27 bye 14:39:29 --- quit: gedamo ("Leaving") 14:41:22 anyone coding/coded his/her memory subsystem? 14:41:45 why, are you? 14:41:55 I'm coding right now... 14:41:56 i did 14:42:31 with copy-on-write and fork and exec (loading process image into actual process) ? 14:43:43 if so, how did you map the malloc-memory-region? 14:44:03 as map-on-access? 14:45:08 air 14:45:11 do you play counterstrike? 14:45:13 or DOD? 14:45:17 i got an HL key 14:45:18 i can play now 14:45:27 thx 14:46:00 i have dod and cs 14:46:16 i only play cs when ppl i know want to play it 14:46:19 air: do you have a sever? 14:46:21 server 14:46:23 i'll play 14:46:48 i have a server but i dunno how to extract the latest update from the .bin file 14:47:06 find me .tgz file and i will have it upgraded in seconds 14:48:13 my tfc kicks ass cuz it has skins that u can wear (homer, a cow and aliens from halflife) 14:48:19 my tfc server... 14:48:41 Mathis: brix is not plagued with that problem 14:49:41 Mathis: brix is one big happy process space and it forks threads, not processes 14:51:44 nothing: btw, dod and cs suck, too realistic, not enuf good fun gameplay 14:52:14 er more like unrealistic 14:52:45 air: I read about it, no hardware protecting mechanisms, only software ones (crush) 14:52:55 u jump once and it drains half yer stamina, jump again and u no longer have the energy to run 14:52:59 get real 14:53:25 is dod modelled after fat lazy beer belly guys or real soldiers? 14:54:10 i can jump all the way across the house 14:54:17 and then go for a run 14:54:26 and i'm not in good shape 14:54:57 and then there is the aiming, the crosshair flies all over the screen unless yer standing still 14:55:39 irl i can be on a dead run and have good aim, not in dod 14:56:18 Mathis: its the way of the future 14:57:16 air: how does your executeable images look like? are they kinda relocatable .o files? 14:57:50 dont have em 14:58:10 dont you have any applications using Brix? 14:58:15 nope 14:58:26 so Brix is useless? 14:58:28 no 14:58:44 brix has a dictionary that contains all code 14:58:58 u must compile code locally and crush stuffs it into the dictionary 14:59:25 its demand page mapped into high memory 14:59:39 no relocating 15:00:02 but the dictionary is split into smaller libraries 15:00:27 so if you have something like Mozilla, it will take about some hours to install it? 15:00:43 brix doesnt support shit like mozilla 15:00:48 lol 15:00:51 brix is the ultimate in code reuse 15:00:57 what if someone wanted to port mozilla though 15:01:01 wouldn't it take hours to install? 15:01:08 no 15:01:23 mozilla will never be ported 15:01:31 or how about a graphical user interface? 15:01:49 what dont understand, brix does not support apps like mozilla 15:01:57 with theme support and virtual desktops and so on 15:02:05 its not about someone porting it cuz it cant be done 15:02:17 air: what I mean is software in that class of size 15:02:18 Mathis: brix has that 15:02:27 Mathis: does your kernel do mmap already? 15:02:28 haha 15:02:34 u guys arent very smart 15:02:51 air, how will you play Halflife on brix? 15:02:52 nothing: yep 15:02:59 u think that shit like mozilla and gnome have to be that freakin bi 15:02:59 g 15:03:12 air: no 15:03:22 but there are applications which have same sizes 15:03:28 and some are bigger 15:03:28 Mathis: can i look at your code or your webpage? 15:03:40 nothing: not yet 15:03:44 Mathis: mozilla is not an app its a freakin collection of them 15:03:52 Mathis: is the code under wraps right now>? 15:03:52 I will create a webpage as soon as it will be useable 15:04:01 wraps? 15:04:46 mozilla is about bloat, stuff as much shit as u can into one app 15:04:52 I dont want a homepage which shows some ideas and some screenshots and a src file which boots into a shell 15:05:14 air: how about a professional CAD program designed to run for your Brix? 15:05:30 Mathis: can you send me the src code then? 15:05:35 what about it 15:05:47 I dont think so that a such program will be about some kilo-bytes 15:05:50 of source 15:05:58 it will need some hours to compile 15:05:58 sure it will 15:06:05 hah 15:06:14 nothing: sorry, not yet 15:06:19 it's not bug-free 15:06:24 and still not complete 15:06:27 a) crush uses a faster syntax than C, easier to parse 15:06:28 well 15:06:44 i won't make fun of it mathis, i jsut want to see it, you seem to be fairly far along 15:06:47 i want to see yoru MM implementation 15:06:53 b) crush src is distributed as parsed src, kinda like bytecode 15:07:21 air: the slower the applications get... see Java 15:07:25 c) brix allows code to reuse existing code from other apps 15:07:54 nothing: I'm ashamed to show incomplete code which can change rapidly 15:07:57 d) that bytecode is compiled, dont make any more assumptions :) 15:08:29 even bytecode must be interpreted first 15:08:44 so it's doing about 3 steps to run an application 15:08:46 e) because of c) the 'apps' are so much smaller than stuff on other OSes 15:08:55 omg 15:08:58 stop assuming 15:09:08 brix does NOT interpret the bytecode 15:09:19 it is not a vm bytecode 15:09:31 it is nothing more than tokenized src 15:09:53 but there must be a piece of software which interpretes the bytecode and then executes it 15:10:07 when u compile a program u have several stages, the first is parsing, crush takes the output from that first stage and hands it out to other computers for compiling 15:10:23 it makes the src smaller and compiles faster on the target machine 15:10:37 BRIX DOES NOT INTERPRET THE DAMN BYTECODE 15:10:52 tada 15:10:53 it is compiled to machine code when it enters the machine 15:10:54 --- nick: lynx_on_ice -> lynx 15:11:22 but it will take a long time to compile that code then for big projects... 15:11:34 even if it's shorter than on other OSes 15:16:53 air : how is airc ? 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it's 2002 already. 15:35:43 --- join: HeavyJoost (HeavyJoost@1Cust158.tnt36.rtm1.nl.uu.net) joined #osdev 15:36:27 --- quit: ctkrohn|away ("Client Exiting") 16:13:31 --- join: Mikaku (mikaku@ib-67.arrakis.es) joined #osdev 16:13:32 --- quit: kunphuzil (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:13:36 hi * 16:14:37 Hi :) 16:14:43 hi rob!! :P 16:15:13 XD 16:15:40 i have drunk. All the souper talking about unix like OS, drinking Marie Brizard and Cava (Catalan Champagne), etc.. 16:15:46 buff !! :| 16:15:53 :-D 16:16:03 wtf? 16:16:26 wtf wtf? 16:16:38 * file hums 16:19:23 hmm.. 16:19:26 * mur saves file 16:20:08 * file wonders what he's saved from 16:20:09 * tenzin closes mur 16:20:34 * Mikaku shutdown system 16:21:27 * mur formats tenzin and Mikaku drives 16:21:40 oi i was using that 16:21:41 * kupak formats internet 16:21:53 good night 16:21:58 --- join: Jeroen_ (jeroen@kf-nawij-fp06-072.dial.kabelfoon.nl) joined #osdev 16:21:58 bye 16:22:01 hi 16:22:04 wossname it's monring 16:22:04 ! 16:22:06 not night 16:22:08 rm -rf /dev/ppp0\ 16:22:09 why to go to sleep? 16:22:11 rm -rf /dev/ppp0 16:22:15 DIE INTERNET! DIE! 16:22:18 --- quit: wossname ("^_______^ morning, night, whatever. have to go.") 16:22:23 hehe 16:22:26 cat /dev/urandom > /dev/ppp0 16:22:27 mur: to work out code in our subconscious. 16:22:30 or I'll slow it down 16:22:31 file talkign german? 16:22:37 niet 16:22:59 ih liebe dih sprechen 16:23:05 Ich bevorzuge Englisch 16:23:30 du bist ein schiessekopf 16:23:44 ki baszel magyarul ? 16:23:49 english, can't stand German! 16:24:03 mv me /dev/bed 16:24:04 kupak no not hungarian 16:24:43 --- quit: Jeroen (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:25:22 mur who ? 16:26:14 i dont atalk hungarian :) 16:26:39 i can pretend to 16:26:40 parle francais? 16:26:41 parleu catala? :P 16:27:02 nem baszel shamni magyarul. 16:27:05 puhun suomea :) 16:27:23 fa cara de no haver-hi hagut mai vi en aquest got 16:28:22 --- quit: SLACKo (Remote closed the connection) 16:28:48 tenzin :DDD 16:28:51 not bad 16:29:02 kuszenem 16:29:12 au is austria ? 16:29:17 australia 16:29:21 ahhh :DDD 16:29:25 where are everybody from? 16:29:29 Sweden! 16:29:33 hungary 16:29:33 * Mikaku Barcelona (Catalunya) 16:29:45 and from lebanon 16:30:02 kupak: lebanon is Lyban? 16:30:11 in what language ? 16:30:11 Libanon in swedish =) 16:30:27 Mikaku: North of Israel ;) 16:30:37 ehem... aha!! 16:32:46 Hungary, Sweden, Catalunya,... not sharing the same timestamp, eh!! :) 16:32:51 who's from lebanon? 16:33:08 9:30am here 16:33:10 me 16:33:21 hungary-lebanon 16:33:27 01:33 (Barcelona) 16:33:34 01:28 16:33:39 in hungary 16:33:47 umm.. hungary and lebanon have no border. 16:33:51 kupak: sync your time, please :P 16:33:53 Haha 16:33:59 hehe 16:34:19 Mikaku im the absolute !!! :DD 16:34:27 ha!!! 16:34:44 i used to have an atomic clock 16:34:46 KUT = Kupak Universal Time ;) 16:37:56 http://aries.ektf.hu/~dr/coders.hu/codermeet/Nov02$18.JPG this is me on the right 16:38:07 if you interested... :) 16:38:11 * rob_ert checks. 16:38:30 Not Found 16:38:33 oh no, the horror! 16:38:33 --- quit: mur ("MURR! end of file reached. continuing filling logs some other time.") 16:38:38 You're the one who looks crazy, kupak? 16:38:45 The geek at the left? :) 16:38:59 http://aries.ektf.hu/~dr/coders.hu/kupak/1.JPG me and my daugther 16:39:15 * Mikaku trying... 16:39:18 rob_ert on th RIGHT !! 16:39:18 Uhm 16:39:26 kupak: really? 16:39:27 they all look crazy to me 16:39:27 Haha 16:39:38 i can't tell the difference between right and left, hehehe 16:39:45 nothing really what ? 16:39:48 * rob_ert doesn't have a daughter :D 16:39:48 kupak: are you holding a gun in your hand? 16:39:51 that's really you? 16:39:52 cute daugther, little young for me 16:40:01 file: :/ 16:40:06 heh file, sicko ;p 16:40:11 file: Only a little? 16:40:12 http://aries.ektf.hu/~dr/coders.hu/kupak/2.JPG check this out !!! 16:40:13 nice photo :) 16:40:19 well I'm 15... 16:40:35 file: Kiddie! 16:40:51 :) 16:40:58 kupak: Heh.. 16:41:06 THE BRAIN FAMILY :DDD 16:41:18 is your daughter alive? 16:41:22 You have a brain? Wooow! 16:41:23 kupak: looks like you have Down's Syndrome in that picture hehe 16:41:27 well 16:41:30 need to sleep 16:41:35 Night Mikaku 16:41:41 Buenos Nochtes...or something 16:41:53 nite to all :) (Bona Nit) ;) 16:41:56 now its is your turn to show your ugly faces 16:42:01 :) 16:42:02 --- quit: Mikaku ("syncing") 16:42:08 XD 16:42:12 http://ostling.no-ip.com 16:42:20 --- join: Jason (JasonB346@tnt1-216-199-4-106.jax.fdn.com) joined #osdev 16:42:23 Check the photo section, and Robert Öeslings page. 16:42:48 http://ostling.no-ip.com/photos.html 16:42:56 how olad are you ? 16:43:00 uhhhhh 16:43:02 22-25 ? 16:43:02 http://ostling.no-ip.com/robert.html 16:43:03 that's you, robert? 16:43:08 nothing: Yeah :) 16:43:16 kupak: Me? 16:43:19 I'm 16 ;D 16:43:20 yep 16:43:20 wow 16:43:25 very geeky :)) 16:43:28 :DDDDDDDD 16:43:28 Bah,. 16:43:36 I'm not! Just a little... 16:43:38 humm 16:43:47 ooo, 16:43:49 rob_ert you might need some holiday ;) 16:43:50 you have an Amiga 16:43:50 nice 16:43:53 j/k 16:43:55 kupak: Bleh ;) 16:43:56 nothing: :) 16:44:02 nothing: And a C128D, also neat. 16:44:07 512kb... my god 16:44:08 ;p 16:44:10 :D 16:44:19 nothing any ic about you ? 16:44:22 pic 16:44:30 kupak: no... 16:44:31 ;/ 16:44:34 i'm too ugly for the camera ;/ 16:44:37 you dont dare ? 16:44:38 :) 16:44:56 Hehe 16:44:59 No, he doesn't. 16:45:05 no,really,let us see you 16:45:13 He knows we'd never stop laughing 16:45:38 hey,it is a well know fact that irc guys look ugly 16:45:46 who cares 16:45:51 hey i'm not ugly. 16:46:03 and i dont use irc either 16:46:06 you gonna be :P 16:46:16 does sweden suck? 16:46:46 Jason: No. 16:46:52 Jason: It's quite nice, actually. 16:46:53 Why? 16:47:33 a friend of mine lived there, and i do't remember him liking it too much 16:48:04 Is he swede? 16:48:10 Or was he a foreginer living here? 16:48:23 What did he have against Sweden= 16:48:24 sweden is too cold,brrr... 16:48:30 No, it's not. 16:48:38 25 C every day this time of year. 16:48:40 rob_ert Miami :) 16:48:45 Bleh. 16:49:01 foreigner 16:49:04 err 16:49:08 however its spelt 16:49:36 <-- Floridian here. 16:49:38 what latetude are you at? 16:49:56 latitude 16:50:01 robert 16:50:02 me? 16:50:04 oh 16:51:16 Heh 16:51:23 Jason where are you from ? 16:51:28 I'm living near Stockholm. 16:51:33 Florida, US 16:51:37 Go look in a map, trans :) 16:51:38 rob_ert: you should visit the Chef 16:51:43 Chef? 16:52:09 * rob_ert thinks: ? 16:52:30 --- part: Jason left #osdev 16:52:32 59 and 39 minutes!! 16:53:57 rob_ert what filesystem do you use in bogosh ? 16:54:34 oh sorry,bozos 16:56:50 I440r: NO! i write code, the src is tokenized (parsed), i send u the tokenized src and yer system immediately compiles it to machine code 16:57:02 I440r: it is not JIT 16:57:18 air oh 16:57:28 it is just like forth 16:57:40 the code is compiled into the dictionary 16:57:44 isforth compiles fast enought that it can be compiled only as needed 16:59:04 brix does have an interpreter that uses jit but its only for stuff like document macros 17:00:01 wher did you start this conversation ? :) 17:00:02 :) 17:00:11 200 lines up 17:00:13 he was answering a question i asked a while back 17:00:16 delayed reaction 17:00:44 kupak: My own, heh.. 17:00:57 kupak: But that project's kinda dead :) 17:00:58 its like.. when people drive and see a red light they stop fast enough but it takes a minute or 2 for the green light to sink in so usually only 2 or 3 cars get throught :) 17:01:13 Anyway.... it's late here. 17:01:16 2am 17:01:18 Night all. 17:01:20 air just didnt see the green ligyt :) 17:01:24 nite rob 17:01:26 :) 17:01:29 nite robi 17:01:41 Gute Nacht lynx, I440r, kupak, air... 17:01:45 bye 17:01:47 I440r: i was making meat loaf 17:01:58 air gimme gimme!!! 17:02:11 * I440r likes meat loaf :) 17:02:26 * kupak likes britney spears 17:02:27 :) 17:02:36 hamburger, eggs, ground bread, onion soup mix and ketchup 17:02:37 i would eat that too :) 17:02:51 air worcestershire source goes good in it too :) 17:02:52 air are you a cook ? 17:03:02 or your mother is on holiday ? 17:03:02 kupak: yup 17:03:29 * file returns 17:04:29 hwh 17:04:30 heh 17:04:33 meatloaf is nasty 17:04:46 i own a restaurant 17:04:57 really ? 17:04:58 good gourmet food 17:05:00 btw robert 17:05:03 chef = cookin 17:05:12 nothing: the meatloaf u eat is nasty 17:05:18 my meatloaf is GOOD 17:05:41 air are you fat ? :) 17:05:47 no 17:05:54 ahahha 17:05:55 not good ! 17:05:56 kupak: he lies 17:06:05 kupak: he is like, 6'0", 340lbs 17:06:07 air you own a resteraunt? 17:06:13 440lb is kilo ? 17:06:16 340 17:06:24 in kilo ? 17:06:25 my brother is a cheffe :) 17:06:26 6'3" 210lbs 17:06:28 lb = pounds 17:06:46 I440r: is his restaurant any good? :P 17:06:49 i mean in kilo,how much it is 17:06:55 oh 17:07:09 i dunno. pounds means nothing to me. 17:07:19 hrm 17:07:20 neither to me 17:07:23 210kg 17:07:26 :DDD 17:07:52 im 78kilo 17:07:58 air is 210kg 17:07:59 178cm 17:08:06 ah 17:08:10 must be joking !?!? :) 17:08:28 kupak: that's what all the meatloaf does 17:08:34 kupak: he bakes a huge loaf 17:08:35 210kg is hardly "air" 17:08:37 and eats it all himself 17:08:49 there's a good reason i'm vegetarian :) 17:09:15 i weigh 95kg 17:09:37 one of my friends just AIM'ed me from the front door of a girls house, stumbled across an insecure 802.11b network with his iBook 17:09:43 i'm somewhere between 70-80kg.. haven't weighed myself in years 17:09:44 i must go now,and take my sister from a night club 17:09:46 brb 17:09:48 and im 190cm tall 17:09:57 air: 195kg, right? 17:10:05 no :) 17:10:08 u jackass 17:10:16 bah :/ 17:10:19 air: in those pics you sent nate and i from the army... you look a bit "tubby" 17:10:20 "pudgy" 17:10:34 watching pr0n with qnx = pain in the ass... there are serious flaws in the smp kernel... 17:10:37 file: did he jack into someone's LAN and then go thru DSL? 17:10:38 hahahah 17:10:44 nothing: u are kinda dumb 17:10:58 nothing: nate stuck my head on some body he found 17:11:05 lol 17:11:06 riiight 17:11:12 ask him 17:11:15 well regardless, your face is the one that looked pudgy 17:11:23 the part rather 17:11:38 those guys were not soldiers, atleast not american soldiers 17:12:05 i dont remember them having any insignia on their clothing 17:12:07 nothing: yes, actually through an AT&T cable modem 17:12:27 people people people 17:12:33 SECURE YOUR 802.11B NETWORKS! 17:12:52 as if i had the money for wireless stuff... 17:13:05 nothing: those pics on my site are not the real me 17:13:06 i will, in a few months 17:13:10 air: oh really? 17:13:13 i had to blow my cheats out 17:13:30 anybody wanna see my laptop? 17:13:37 lynx: how about... rm -rf ugly-qnx 17:13:53 i have no fat on my face 17:14:00 nothing : suggesting what to install? 17:14:08 air: fat16? 17:14:17 lynx: a real os 17:14:22 s/cheats/cheeks/ 17:14:34 nothing : lika? 17:14:45 lynx: windows 3.1 17:14:50 YOUR NUTS! 17:14:52 everyone i know irl laughed when they saw those pics 17:14:55 Go for Windows NT 4 Workstation 17:15:12 nothing : do the world a favor and commit suicide 17:15:25 haha 17:15:28 * file lol 17:15:36 such harse words 17:15:48 uhrm 17:15:52 *shrug* 17:16:07 run while (1) { $pid = fork; } in your head nothing, that'll kill yourself 17:16:42 Code Scouts of America, Good for Open Source - Bad for Microsoft. May cause desire to code. 17:17:05 * lynx looking @ brix src 17:17:33 file: my head is exploding! 17:17:45 tenzin : I can't be held responsible 17:17:48 --- quit: Mathis ("Client exited") 17:18:25 air : i kernel dir ? 17:18:27 in 17:18:28 nothing: find a nice dead dod/cs/tfc server and gimme ip 17:18:36 lynx: ? 17:19:01 air : the mode_h 17:19:20 brix/objects/screen/vga 17:19:32 ok, thanks 17:19:54 heh 17:20:08 there isn`t anything named "vga*" in that dir 17:20:24 uhh 17:20:51 lemme look at sf again 17:21:18 23mar2001 17:22:03 You have an incoming transmission. 17:22:16 ack 17:22:22 You have an incoming transmission. 17:22:32 Somebody answer it! 17:25:42 look file 17:25:50 cat transmission 17:26:04 Permission denied. 17:26:16 rm transmission 17:28:36 i want a cheese and tomato toasted sandwich (jaffle) 17:29:23 with parsley 17:29:35 and oregano 17:29:41 hmm on my athlon 900 mhz i compile 117k in 0.03 of a second. thats faster than a meg a second right ? 17:30:31 i dunno but can it toast bread? 17:31:48 3.81mb / sec 17:35:16 I440r: compile src to machine code? 17:38:33 what's the obsession with compile speeds anyway? 17:38:51 speed is everything 17:39:35 the language should compile fast, it should create fast code and the OS should allow the code to operate as fast as possible 17:41:04 speed of the compiled code is of primary importance. speed of actual compilation is pretty far down my list of perceived priorities. 17:42:44 no it compiles it to compiled forth 17:42:54 on a 50 mhz 486 it does 200k per second 17:44:46 --- join: cria (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 17:44:49 --- quit: air ("CRIA v0.2.2pre -- http://www.qzx.com/cria") 17:44:52 --- nick: cria -> air 17:44:57 --- join: nbsp (g@ip68-14-60-7.no.no.cox.net) joined #osdev 17:54:46 --- join: OSHELP (~LIVE@62.135.6.39) joined #osdev 17:54:50 if you make your own os. how can you port gcc to the new platform ? 17:56:04 lots of hard work 17:56:08 --- join: Raptor-32 (~rick@stpras01-p80.mts.net) joined #osdev 17:57:18 if the the OS is posix and can run a.out ? 17:57:39 --- nick: trans -> transtone 17:57:42 =) 17:57:56 i'm a cartoon tiger!!! 17:57:57 it helps 17:58:01 hahahahah 17:58:39 what good is an os with no compiler !!! 17:59:06 its not, thats why u gotta bust yer ass to get a compiler working on it 17:59:30 re 17:59:38 be happy cuz atleast u dont have to design yer own from scratch 17:59:41 i did great speeding 17:59:52 i like rainy nights 18:00:51 lol 18:01:17 thats a gr8 point thank you 18:02:28 designing from scratch is the lazy option 18:02:52 uhh 18:03:17 how the hell is it the lazy option? 18:03:35 les work :D 18:03:36 s 18:03:42 do u have any idea how hard it is to design the perfect language? :) 18:03:54 i can never do that ! any way 18:04:49 nobody has ever done that 18:04:57 air: i'm working on it. 18:05:17 tenzin: what do u have so far? 18:05:39 but gcc is thery complacted even to understand . atleast for me 18:05:41 air: a head full of ideas and a few sketches on paper. 18:05:55 tenzin: tell me some main features 18:06:08 does it have lambdas? 18:06:11 closures? 18:06:21 air: object oriented macros, graphical. 18:06:39 what are closures? i seem to get competing definitions 18:06:40 oo macros? 18:06:46 yes. 18:06:46 graphical as in a visual languages? 18:06:56 a visual language, yes. 18:07:10 because text doesn't represent everything very well. 18:07:21 oo macros? 18:07:26 yeah 18:07:29 oo macros. 18:07:33 dont say yeah 18:07:37 define it 18:07:49 you're making me have to think 18:08:10 macros that have inheritence and stuff. 18:08:34 what kinda macros? 18:08:36 and have a graphical/visual representation 18:08:38 C like macros? 18:08:50 macros. like.. lisp or c.. that can contain asm. 18:08:58 uhh 18:09:03 lisp macros are not like C 18:09:41 inline asm in lisp, is that possible? 18:09:48 so yer language will have macros that are executed at compile time? 18:10:17 air: yes. 18:10:25 thats a good start 18:10:33 does it have lambdas? 18:10:37 or closures 18:10:45 of course it will have lambdas :) 18:10:58 and closures? 18:11:01 and it will certainly have closures as soon as i work out what they are exactly. 18:11:05 :) 18:11:09 hahaha 18:11:20 what is a lambda if i may ask ? 18:11:30 closures are these things in C# that make it slow and allow hackers to create backdoors 18:11:35 kupak: a crazy way of running functions on functions 18:11:53 i have one in my exhausting system 18:11:55 :) 18:12:22 no, closures are like lambdas that wrap up current values and take with em 18:12:27 hm, well, i'm thinking the one feature i might leave out is microsoft-style security. 18:12:50 G00D Luck 18:12:57 thanks :) 18:13:05 does yer language track all code? 18:13:27 track? as in security wise? 18:13:43 i haven't looked into it but i'm sure you could make a macro to do so :) :) 18:14:02 track as in i change a function interface and it tells me all the code that i just broke 18:14:10 not in my program but in all programs 18:14:13 oh. most definitely. 18:14:29 tracking means yer language must also be the src editor 18:14:38 which it is if its visual 18:14:47 i want to have the concept of "publishing" so it tells you if you've just broken your own code or everyone else's too 18:14:51 but it must keep track of all code 18:15:13 there is no non-visual source. 18:15:19 --- quit: HeavyJoost ("It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum... | become a member of Anti-Microsoft: www.heavyjoost.tk ;)") 18:15:29 OO has a fragile base class problem 18:15:51 you mean like the problems with Java's "Object" class? 18:15:53 tracking fixes it 18:16:08 well maybe someday i will learn your lang :) yeah instead of C# 18:16:16 assuming yer tracking is global as in the planet 18:16:38 yup, as global as tracking can be. 18:16:43 u change a function interface on yer computer and it scans every computer on the planet 18:16:51 crush does that 18:17:03 air: well, that would be the ideal. 18:17:18 --- join: witten (~witten@sdsl-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 18:17:23 u just need to use repositories 18:17:36 tho a central respository of the number of people using different versions would also be ok. 18:17:38 central servers 18:17:43 yeah 18:17:57 makes downloading software easy 18:18:34 do u have parameterized types? 18:18:43 or classes 18:18:45 I'd like a report that would say "Changing this interface will effect 2% of users: 40 of which are children at an orphanage in new hampshire." 18:19:07 uhh 18:19:10 umm.. you mean like templates/ 18:19:51 i mean redefining the class contents at when i create an object 18:20:02 s/at// 18:20:19 arrays would be parameterized types 18:20:45 umm.. yeah. it's a language based on macros. that's easy work for a macro. 18:20:52 int x; 18:21:09 uhh 18:21:14 macros dont do it 18:21:25 macros that define classes do 18:21:34 thats lame 18:21:41 why? 18:23:00 yer saying that yer classes are weak and cant do it themselves 18:23:31 the class definition should be a macro 18:23:33 why do they have to? 18:23:42 yes. 18:23:45 everything's a macro 18:24:01 notthat kinda macro tho 18:24:12 --- join: delphinus (~peter@61-217-203-219.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #osdev 18:24:15 brb 18:24:27 a language should be very simple. 18:26:21 programming languages like java have forgotten how to be generic. they work by defining the platform they run on first and then work only with that one platform. i don't see that as advantageous. 18:27:41 tenzin so being a master of ONE instead of a JACK OF ALL is a bad thing ? 18:27:49 forht is exactlh the same way 18:27:49 portability is a MYTH 18:28:48 I440r: being "master of one" should be left to the libraries, not the language itself. 18:30:00 tenzin no. because libraries are of NO practical use what so ever. they fit the problem the library writer was solving, NOT everyones problem. a REAL coder has his OWN library and doesnt touch anone elses except as examples 18:30:24 isforth almost totally replaces libc and libncurses and is LESS than 30k in size 18:30:26 I440r: umm. so everyone should write their own OS? 18:30:53 coders should use the available libraries as much as possible, and no more. 18:31:45 isforth isnt an operating system its a development environment. no people should use the operating system and NOT go through some lame ass attempt at "hid the system from the code and hold your hand like mommy" library 18:31:55 if you need curses in a console you CODE it 18:31:55 you dont use bloatcurses 18:32:05 you need file i/o you WRITE IT 18:32:16 libc is for lamers who dont know how to code 18:32:18 I440r: umm. what is your view on code reuse? 18:33:58 --- quit: Aardappel ("http://wouter.fov120.com/") 18:34:06 --- quit: OSHELP (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:35:31 if you need a gui you should rewrite x-windows? 18:35:56 tenzin its a crock of shit. unless its your OWN code 18:36:06 --- join: darkito (darkito@62-37-116-54.dialup.uni2.es) joined #osdev 18:36:11 no you should use xlib 18:36:14 xlib IS x 18:36:15 hihi 18:36:21 everything else is jsut a wrapper 18:36:35 i.e. mommy holding your hand for you 18:37:04 I440r : are you saying using Qt is wrong because its just a wrapper for xlib? 18:37:13 if so, you are the dumbest fuck i've ever seen. 18:37:16 I440r: i guess you don't like convinience methods either? 18:38:31 tenzin if you code in c it would take you 10 years to write a hello world from scratch without using libs... you HAVE to. with forth the development cycle is so fast that writing it from scratch to fit your current problem EXACTLY is NO OVERHEAD what so ever 18:39:31 I440r: what features of forth allow that? 18:39:34 why does Forth have less overhead than C? 18:40:12 its using the same system calls, which use the same parameters, unless the forth compiler can generate faster code than a c compiler, i dont see the advantage. 18:42:22 tenzin in c you do 18:42:22 edit 18:42:22 compile 18:42:22 link 18:42:34 debug 18:42:48 repeat 18:42:48 in forth its 18:42:48 edit 18:42:48 debug 18:42:48 repeat 18:43:01 : foo ...... ; 18:43:01 now i have a LIVE definition for foo 18:43:01 i cant test it works as i want it 18:43:13 if it doesnt work right i can 18:43:13 forget foo 18:43:13 : foo ...... ; 18:43:28 when it works right i can create the next definition 18:43:37 : bar .... foo .... ; 18:43:44 right. like python. 18:43:45 that calls for possiblu 18:43:45 possibly 18:44:04 or similar at least 18:44:05 so at each level of coding all preceeding definitions have already been dugged 18:44:14 if i have a complex definition i can di 18:44:23 debug foobar 18:44:23 and single step through the forth 18:44:27 umm, yeah, but that's still no excuse to avoid code reuse. 18:44:46 if i know i need to use the word foo but i forget what parameters it uses i can do 18:44:46 see foo 18:45:02 and forth will DECOMPILE the definition of foo directly from memory 18:45:25 code reuse of things you KNOW work because YOU coded them sure 18:45:29 * Raptor-32 questions the fact that it DECOMPILES it. 18:45:43 I440r: do you consider yourself to be a control freak? 18:45:45 but if you download 50 gigs of gizmo sources dont expect it to work right or to fit your needs exactly 18:46:06 raptor there is a 1:1 correspondence between forht sourcs and forht object 18:46:29 if all the headers still remain decompiling forth LIVE is no problem 18:46:29 thats the next thing im building into my forth compiler 18:46:41 tenzin no. a perfectionist 18:46:41 "good ennuff" isnt 18:46:45 java editors will also "decompile" the bytecode to give you lists of methods/parameters 18:46:48 I440r : its much easier for the interpreter to find function foo,and read the params than it is to DECOMPILE it to figure it out. 18:47:09 I440r: what does it take for you to trust someone else's code? 18:47:58 raptor let me give you an example of some easy forth and then show you wahat it compiles into 18:47:58 : foo 10 0 do i . loop ; 18:47:58 this would compile to 18:48:08 foo: 18:48:09 call nest ; we now know foo is a colon definition 18:48:28 dd (lit), 10 18:48:45 dd (lit), 0 18:48:51 i suppose you are trying to write assembly? ;) 18:49:06 dd (do), .L1 18:49:06 .L0: 18:49:06 dd i, dot 18:49:17 dd (loop), .L1 18:49:17 .L0: 18:49:17 exit 18:49:29 erm thats .l1: exit 18:49:44 its assembly sorta heh 18:49:44 the (lit) is the word that executes at forht run time 18:49:44 and that code does absolutely nothing. 18:49:55 I440r: serious question: what does it take for you to trust someone else's code? 18:50:10 and (lit) fetches the next item and pushes it onto the stack 18:50:10 the point being its very easy to decompile forth 18:50:26 it counts from 1 to 10 heh 18:50:26 i said it was a simple example 18:50:34 tenzin their program? or the source 18:50:39 i rewrite it 18:50:42 then i trust it 18:50:43 source 18:51:00 that code doesnt count anything, it calls nest, which isnt defined, and then there's no other instructions, just data definitions 18:51:06 I440r: so it would help if it was more readable then? 18:51:31 tenzin 99% of all C code is write only heh 18:51:40 including the linux kernel sources 18:51:40 erm 18:51:49 SPECIALY the linux kernel sources 18:51:58 very few c coders know how to factor their code correctly or comment it 18:51:58 I440r: is your forth code readable? 18:52:18 that could be said about any language. 18:52:37 tenzin get my forth and you tell me 18:52:48 raptor yes. 18:53:01 well i don't know forth, so it probably wouldn't be. 18:53:07 but its mostly sayable about c because everyone and his brother thinks they can code c 18:53:16 i've seen beautifully commented Assembly, and i find it easier to read than most languages. 18:54:19 raptor assembly uncommented is easier to read than most other languages 18:54:27 aye. asm rocks. 18:54:31 which is why i disassemble libc sources instead of going to the source files 18:54:50 * Raptor-32 prays to god you dissassemble them into nasm asm and not gas asm. 18:54:51 raptor my forth kernel is written in 100% pure assembler 18:55:04 I440r: has anyone ever told you that you're insane? 18:55:06 using nasm macros to create forth high level definitions 18:55:22 i use the interactive disassembler lol 18:55:27 running under wine 18:56:08 tenzin im a heretic but i have a compiler that compiles over almost 900k of souce per second on my laptop 18:56:08 and over 200k of source on a 50 mhz 486 18:56:16 good night kids :) 18:56:21 and forth is more space efficient than assembler and only SLIGHTLY slower 18:56:55 compilation speed doesn't do much for me 18:57:03 tenzin i KNOW im a heretic. but i challenge you to learn forth and tell me im wrong 18:57:18 I440r: i intend to. 18:57:19 if you learned forth to the degree i know forth you would abandon c 18:57:25 but i might learn smalltalk first. 18:57:34 I use java. 18:57:41 tenzin imagine a project the size of the linux kernel compiling in 3seconds instead of 10 minutes 18:57:51 you saying that wouldnt help you develop it ? 18:58:07 if you think that you have your head up your ass basicaly. compile speed is VERY important during development 18:58:12 edit 18:58:16 compile (wait 2 hours) 18:58:17 debug 18:58:19 repeat 18:58:20 blah 18:58:26 I440r: ok, it's a positive feature for developers. 18:58:46 who else does the compile over and over and over and over 18:58:56 users expect the sources they are compiling to be WORKING 18:58:57 I440r: so what have you written in forth for the land of mortal users? 18:59:03 they compile it once and thats it 18:59:09 there... another member of chuck moore's sect. 18:59:16 night :) 18:59:51 im still developing my forth compiler but i have an itterative towrs of hanoi solver i wrote. an irc bot im writing to develop the sockets code 19:00:02 and an n^2-1 puzzle solver 19:00:25 when i have the compiler developed i will use it to develop a console based web browser 19:00:25 and a whole slew of applications 19:00:25 I440r: going to be doing any gui code? 19:00:37 the compiler is not its own justification 19:00:50 i want to develop for linux but if i never touch c ever again its going to be a day too soon 19:00:56 I440r : which means your code is x86 only right? 19:01:04 oyh ya 19:01:04 i want an xlib interface too 19:01:44 I440r: are you going to attempt any sort of cross-platform compatibility? 19:01:49 like i said portability is a MYTH. this compiler works ONLY in linux. and ONLY on x86 machines 19:02:16 hmm. portability seems to work for C, to a fair extent. 19:02:40 im downloading freebsd now so i can get the compiler to work in that too 19:02:40 then netbsd etc etc etc 19:02:47 * Raptor-32 wonders how hard it would be to make it work on other operating systems 19:02:55 not realy7 19:02:55 there isnt a linux kernel source 19:03:09 theres a linux kernel sources 19:03:15 thats bullshit. 19:03:15 28456823643 different versions of the kernel all interleaved into the same source files 19:03:20 they share a lot, don't they? 19:03:24 i.e. a huge gordian knot of conditional compiles 19:03:28 i compile my linux kernel for Alpha from the same sources as on my x86. 19:03:33 anyone know of some good imap/pop3 server software? 19:04:07 I440r: a C hello world program works on many many platforms. 19:04:11 there are some things that cant be exactly the same, such as the boot record, but you cant help that. 19:04:51 tenzin lol - now go code a real application and have it run in linux, windows, freebsd, netbsd etc etc etc etc 19:05:01 portability is BULLSHIT 19:05:01 an oxymoron 19:05:13 thats just not true. 19:05:26 I440r: who is your intended audience for your compiler and applications? 19:05:44 because of C libs, you can have apps compile and run for MANY different OSes and Architectures without a single change. 19:05:56 crackpot evangilist. 19:06:15 MmmmmmMMmmm pot.... 19:06:27 raptpr:) 19:06:30 * tenzin slaps lynx with a glass bong 19:06:37 i compile my apps for Alpha from thte EXACT same sources as those on x86, most apps arent designed for Alpha, nor do they support it, but it works fine. 19:06:48 sure - 283475683265924 gigs of executable that takes 6 hurs to compile 19:06:51 =) 19:06:59 I440r: who is your intended audience for your compiler and applications? 19:06:59 tenzin : shott-glass ? 19:07:05 and has a gazillion #ifdefine crap in it 19:07:20 whats wrong with ifdef? i use them in assembly, they dont slow anything down. 19:07:24 --- quit: witten ("bye") 19:07:38 lynx: where are you from? 19:07:45 anyone who wants to code forth 19:08:40 raptor they obfuscate the code. 19:08:40 isforht has some. they are ALL in the macros include file 19:08:55 tenzin : germansk 19:09:04 I440r : if you want to praise forth go ahead, you were doing a good job, right until the point where you started bashing other languages and saying false things. 19:09:08 i do NOT have %ifdef scattered throughout the sources making it impossible to know at any given point what is going to be assembled and what isnt 19:09:12 is it gay to like or even love c ? :) 19:09:18 they are a tool. c over-uses thyem 19:09:21 I440r: what compelling reasons, other than compile speed, are there for developers to migrate to (your) forth platform? 19:09:40 kupak : better that than Basic. :P 19:09:51 development time is better 19:09:57 I440r: you don't have ifdefs, but you also can only compile for x86. 19:10:10 if thats not enough nothing will convince you 19:10:26 well development time is pretty fast in Python too 19:10:36 you obviously dont care that compiled forth is 100 times smaller than compiled c 19:10:50 I440r : thats not hard. :P 19:10:57 tenzin master of one,,.. jack of all. pick one 19:11:01 * Raptor-32 wonders wtf gcc puts in those binaries. 19:11:05 umm, i rarely look at the size of executables 19:12:11 tenszin i guess its my embedded background :) 19:12:12 i do 19:12:21 i avoid bloat 19:12:22 i think size make less and less point day by day 19:12:36 i always take the simplest solution i can find 19:12:44 who cares about 10-20meg these days,i dont 19:13:12 * lynx does 19:13:16 embedded is good reason.. but end of the day on a normal system i'm more worried about how much space mp3's are taking up :) 19:13:23 anyway i gtg bye 19:13:28 --- quit: tenzin ("Do not cross if you have an open wound. Piranhas are attracted to blood.") 19:13:36 tenzin you are right :) 19:14:06 kupak yea... speed too. people are getting 46757826492 gig processors, and 247856278289754698256894 gig hard drives, who cares if we create 24987563987 gig hello world executables 19:14:17 tenzin lol 19:14:22 you see ! :) 19:14:34 * Raptor-32 can make a 50 (max) byte hello world app. 19:15:09 I440r how big is your hard disk ? 19:17:12 this laptop is 6 gigs. the main box is 30 :) 19:17:26 thats no exscuse 19:17:34 what do you want to fill with ? 19:18:13 i agree somewhat with what I440r is saying. 19:18:32 C generates BIG binaries, much too big. 19:18:37 --- join: alphakiller (fernando@200.230.129.69) joined #osdev 19:18:48 hello guys ... 19:19:06 hi 19:19:38 hola alphakiller 19:20:23 c is a perfect compromise to me 19:20:54 compromise between what though? 19:21:11 my main problem with it is its executable size. 19:21:16 ya like offspring ? 19:21:17 speed size convinence 19:21:39 its generally not all that much faster than assembly, and not at all as fast as good assembly. 19:21:50 its only convenient because so many ppl learnt it. 19:21:55 i find it easier to code in asm. 19:22:01 asm rox ! 19:22:04 HLL make a mess of pointers, a huge mess. 19:22:39 Assembly is easier than any HLL ... (except basic) 19:23:21 raptor not forth 19:23:34 forth is untyped 19:23:34 totally free form 19:24:21 lets say you malloc mem, how do you refer to that area of mem? 19:25:23 as an address. but the address isnt typed 19:25:29 its just a number 19:25:49 you cann add to it. subtract from it. divide it :) 19:25:49 anything 19:26:00 i dont like types 19:26:07 if you know some data is at that address plus 20 you would do 19:26:07 the-address 20 + 19:26:11 i wish evrything was void in c 19:26:15 now you are pointing 20 bytes further in 19:26:31 so basically just like assembly? 19:26:38 kupak : would make it a better world. 19:27:31 raptor yes 19:27:46 its an item on the parameter stack 19:28:02 stack eh? stack isnt good, use the registers. 19:28:07 do with it as you will 19:28:11 how many return values can a function have? 19:28:49 i hate assembly on x86 because the restriction of the use of registers,i was used to m68k 19:28:59 hrm 19:29:04 what about argument lists ? 19:29:30 would be a mov [blah] , reg only 19:29:49 you can pass any number of parameters and get any number of return valuse 19:29:56 limited only by your stack space 19:30:21 yes but you can always use regs + stack 19:30:28 like Uuu did. 19:30:40 Uuu was designed for shear speed. 19:34:24 libc is a portability layer so u can run all the shitty apps on all the shitty OSes 19:34:53 :) 19:35:13 and same with ifdefs 19:36:50 * lynx bed 19:37:04 * kupak chair 19:37:36 it is 04:32 19:37:44 i can here the birds 19:38:17 no its not 19:38:25 its only 20:36 19:39:00 btw, yer clock is slow 19:39:16 my clock is sync'd with ntp 19:39:24 im closert to 19:39:31 im closert to greenwich 19:39:43 :) 19:40:49 i adjust it in km resolution 19:42:34 nite 19:42:37 * kupak slaps I440r around a bit with a large trout 19:42:39 * nothing is playign DOD right now 19:42:45 --- nick: lynx -> lynx_bedbedbed 19:42:50 bye 19:42:56 sorry I440r i didnt mean it ! :) 19:43:11 :) 19:43:11 im immune to fish 19:43:11 nothing: what server 19:43:35 * I440r slaps kupak arround with a large copy of the forth 83 standard :) 19:43:35 lol 19:43:42 :) 19:44:03 air: my friend's server 19:44:03 hold on 19:44:14 * kupak hits you with ansi c UltraPortable 19:44:47 --- quit: alphakiller ("(I was using  P o l a r i s · O n e  v4.02) Webpage:(http://www.polarisone.hpg.com.br/) Wasted:(18") 19:46:00 did you try on google to find the word that gives the biggest hit ? 19:46:08 i always play that 19:46:29 have you tried "sex 19:46:30 " 19:46:31 ? 19:46:53 that 533,000,000 19:47:12 sex 63,800,000 19:47:16 pinut 19:48:58 in 1,290,000,000 19:50:45 nothing: whats the ip 19:51:40 a 1,540,000,000 19:52:43 you won 19:53:04 :) 19:53:53 is it a coincidence that for computer the first hit is Apple,what do you think ? :) 19:54:45 --- join: EtherNet (~vision@ppp-microc-tr53-20.satlink.com) joined #osdev 19:54:50 hello 19:54:59 for "page" it is NASA,i just dont know why 19:55:27 this is the second for page -> Microsoft Corporation -- Where Do You Want to Go Today 20:04:44 "the" is the new champion - 2,570,000,000 20:05:16 try "he" 20:05:17 or "e" 20:05:35 those are loosers :) 20:06:24 i think "the" will never be beaten 20:06:44 i offer you 100$ if you can find 20:07:30 hm 20:07:45 hey try searching on "." 20:08:05 heh 20:08:18 google choked 20:11:07 shit 20:11:12 i got result on this 20:11:13 Í|í³ÄÍ´^í³´¢íÿ´í^¢´ÿ°í&ÿ´^í³ÿ´í³Í´^í¢°´¨ÿ^¢í&°ÿ´¨í^\¢ÿ´\^í&´°ÿ\^¢í&°ÿ´\íÐ[Ð[<&³Ð[<&]ðÐ[³<] 20:11:15 :)) 20:12:20 you crashed google? 20:12:20 you bastard! 20:14:09 --- quit: EtherNet ("Vision[0.8.9-0602]: i've been blurred!") 20:16:32 google result !!!!!!! 20:16:32 400 Bad Request 20:16:33 Your client has issued a malformed or illegal request. 20:21:55 oh man 20:22:44 lakers just let the nets make a come back with 3 back to back 3 pointers 20:23:41 lol - what are they coding in ? 20:24:05 i bet the nets are coding in forth ;) 20:24:45 the nets are playing shitty 20:25:01 but u can compare em to forth if u want ;) 20:25:38 another 3 20:29:27 lol 20:31:24 they were within 6 and now their down by 11 20:32:02 kinda like how forth chokes on ya 20:32:04 :) 20:32:21 one of them will win 20:32:27 the othrs wont :P 20:32:49 ya but u said the nets are like forth 20:33:43 no i said they were coding in it heh 20:38:15 --- quit: nbsp ("-_-.zZ") 20:47:58 air 20:48:04 do you play Action Halflife? 20:48:07 omg 20:48:15 omg 20:48:30 23 20:48:34 they lost by 23 20:49:00 they sink 4 3 pointers in a row to bring them with in 6 and then they get owned 20:51:43 he 20:51:55 win some . you throw some away :) 20:52:00 thats how i would describe forth 20:52:15 lakers==crush, nets==forth 20:52:18 so who won? 20:52:24 the forth coders ? 20:52:31 forth coders lost by 23 20:52:48 aha 20:53:12 lol 20:53:21 forth and crush... both useless languages 20:53:26 OO is the future... 20:53:33 OO is shit 20:53:44 amen to OO being shit. 20:53:53 nothing: stop trolling 20:53:59 omg 20:54:04 you are all unfairly biased 20:54:10 true OO is really great 20:54:23 any *intelligent* person will tell u that OO sucks 20:54:36 object obfuscation 20:54:40 object disorientation 20:54:41 ugh 20:54:48 you're just spouting babble now 20:54:55 you have no real technical reasons why it is bad 20:54:55 nothing: and u arent? 20:55:05 i dont? 20:55:10 oh but i do 20:55:15 no i just have experience with it 20:55:15 OO helps promote object encapsulation, it makes projects easier to maintain 20:55:19 it promotes safety 20:55:29 nothing: what about fragile base classes? 20:55:29 it is easier to grok (understand) a large OO project 20:55:32 safety slows things down as a rule of thumb 20:55:48 everyu project ive ever seen using it has taken 6 years or more of development time before they scrapped it 20:55:52 time for bed ACT test toomorow 20:56:07 --- quit: Raptor-32 ("BitchX-1.0c19 by panasync") 20:56:47 nothing: u cant even code so stfu 20:57:19 nothing: and go join homelan #108 20:57:47 homelan #108? 20:57:48 what is that? 20:57:57 or 109, i will find u 20:57:59 tfc server 20:58:12 i'm playing Action Halflife now 20:58:15 at 216.232.220.25 20:58:25 well, soon anyway, they're fixing the server 20:58:37 then join 108 21:00:40 are u there yet? 21:01:52 i'm playing AHL 21:01:54 not TFC 21:02:43 ahl sucks 21:05:22 i'll play TFC later 21:07:48 --- join: kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@1Cust4.tnt7.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 21:08:00 hello 21:08:53 --- quit: kunphuzil (Client Quit) 21:09:25 --- join: kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@1Cust4.tnt7.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 21:09:58 hello again 21:22:40 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again") 21:25:19 --- join: realmz (~tim@12-221-34-145.client.insightBB.com) joined #osdev 21:26:45 hello 21:30:25 --- quit: kunphuzil (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: _kunphuzil!~kunphuzil@1Cust172.tnt4.phoenix.az.da.uu.net))) 21:31:33 --- quit: realmz ("-") 21:46:13 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@ppp398.ppp9.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 21:46:44 --- quit: ChillySpy (Client Quit) 21:53:45 --- join: notten_ (~notten@bgp423523bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) joined #osdev 21:54:51 ping 21:54:55 anyone alive in here? 21:56:03 . 21:56:10 sups? 22:37:43 --- join: jace48 (~jace48@203.195.175.54) joined #osdev 22:40:12 --- quit: jace48 (Client Quit) 22:57:14 --- join: tenzin (xtofu@p451-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 23:02:25 sarah, i'm sorry to hvae to tell you this. but i really feel it's about time i told you the truth about me. i am really, umm, i don't know how to say this.. but those pictures of me aren't genuine.. well, they are. they're what i look like now.. but um, back.. umm.. i can't really explain this but 640 years ago i was a hobgoblin, and i've now taken a human form. 23:02:36 fuck ww 23:06:48 --- join: foofoo (LiberiFata@cpe-24-221-255-164.ut.sprintbbd.net) joined #osdev 23:08:16 THIS IS THE WORST AUDIENCE I"VE EVER FUCKING HAD. YOU ALL SUCK GATES' BALLS!! 23:11:23 heh, gates has no balls 23:12:34 WELL HOW THE HELL DID HE REPRODUCE THEN?? DOING BETTER THAN YOU ON THE EVOLUTIONARY LADDER, I SEE 23:13:37 --- join: lar1 (~lar1@adsl-63-204-134-229.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 23:13:45 Don't end a sentence with a preposition. 23:14:01 "WELL HOW THE HELL THEN DID HE REPRODUCE" is correct. 23:15:55 WELL I hAPPEN TO NOT BE SPEAKING PRESCRIPTIVE WRITTEN CRAZY GRAMMAR, BUT ORDINARY, EVERYDAY SPEAKING ENGLISH GRAMMAR WHICH IS YET TO BE FULLY DOCUMENTED IN THE UPPER CASE RANGE OF CHARACTERS WITHIN ASCII 7 ON THE INTERNET REALY CHAT PROTOCOL. OK? 23:16:20 Take your ritalin. 23:17:05 IF YOUR SIMPLISTIC NEUROLOGICAL LINGUISTICS TRANSLATOR DEVICE IS MALFUNCTIONING AND CANNOT READ WHAT I AM SAYING THEN PERHAPS IT IS TIME YOU UPGRADED YOUR NEUROnS 23:18:37 lar1: how's the indigo2? 23:19:03 8( 23:19:07 Not installed yet 23:19:17 Got a scsi-2 cd drive, but no drive sled 23:19:28 Can I use one of the 3.5inch sleds to connect the cd drive 8) 23:19:39 do you use your sun's for anything lar? 23:22:09 Not yet 23:22:16 My sun monitor is dead 23:22:24 And I don't have serial cables 23:23:19 i use a pc monitor with my sun via a 13w3->hd15 adapter 23:23:30 I don't have one of those either 23:34:42 --- quit: foofoo ("Client Exiting") 23:45:27 --- join: damaru (~damaru@210.113.43.73) joined #osdev 23:45:27 --- quit: lar1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:46:32 --- part: damaru left #osdev 23:57:44 --- join: gedamo (gdm@gedamo.demon.co.uk) joined #osdev 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/02.06.07