00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/02.06.17 00:01:04 =D 00:01:05 hey 00:01:12 hey 00:01:25 guess what!! 00:01:39 the weed i got is called "big biker bob!" 00:01:56 holy fuck! 00:03:19 hehehe 00:03:47 man you should come up here sometime and try this shit 00:04:07 no arguments here 00:04:45 get your parents to bring you an vacation here 00:05:00 wheres that again? 00:05:10 AZ? 00:05:10 they might like it and then you can break off of them 00:05:21 no vancouver 00:05:26 oh heh 00:05:34 =) 00:05:55 brbrbrbrbrbr 00:06:07 $50 for a quarter of this stuff! 00:06:13 no its hot in the summer 00:06:35 it doesn't even hardly snow in the winter 00:14:45 well? 00:14:53 =) 00:16:42 uhh 00:17:34 !!!! 00:17:41 you and your fucking good prices =[ 00:18:08 what's it cost down there? 00:18:22 $20/gram, $60/eighth $100/quarter is standard 00:18:34 $100!!! 00:18:34 well, about that 00:18:40 but you get CA quality 00:18:46 holy fuck! 00:18:53 transtone: you can get twice as much for less than half the price =[ 00:18:56 BC quality 00:19:00 yeah 00:19:03 * ink kicks the US 00:19:07 ...mother fuckers 00:19:12 hehe 00:19:23 u guys are stupid 00:19:48 ?? 00:20:01 heh 00:20:16 air: we are the smart ones =P 00:33:44 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 00:45:34 --- quit: nbsp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:01:50 --- quit: tirloni ("Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.") 01:19:20 --- quit: transtone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:00:48 --- join: virtus (Virtus@ledn-csl-4581.adsl.wanadoo.nl) joined #osdev 02:12:20 --- join: kemu (~nobody@adsl-65865.turboline.skynet.be) joined #osdev 02:12:55 --- quit: kemu (Client Quit) 02:28:57 --- join: your (ammu@baana-62-165-189-214.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 02:29:48 --- nick: your -> mur 02:42:26 --- nick: virtus -> virt|smoke 02:46:08 --- join: transtone (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 02:47:09 --- join: kemu (~nobody@adsl-65865.turboline.skynet.be) joined #osdev 02:55:08 --- quit: virt|smoke () 03:09:55 --- quit: oink (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:17:26 --- nick: geist-party -> geist 03:18:43 --- quit: geist () 03:20:00 --- quit: Rico (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:21:34 --- quit: tetryl ("Leaving") 03:26:37 --- join: tetryl (~hayakawa@sak.edge.co.jp) joined #osdev 03:28:18 --- quit: transtone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:44:21 hey 03:44:24 join #jokeflood 03:44:26 i have one good 03:50:44 bah 03:50:50 question... 03:51:06 how do i create an ext2 format grub boot disk? 03:51:57 --- nick: dax_ -> dax 03:52:00 not very well apparently 03:52:08 ... 03:56:19 or at all.. actually 04:01:05 --- quit: kemu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:02:17 --- join: miro (miro@miro.staff.opn) joined #osdev 04:07:50 babe! 04:07:59 nuf nuf miro 04:08:01 --- nick: indigo_zzz -> indigo 04:08:19 gm! 04:08:43 bah bah 04:08:49 can't get a grub floppy working 04:08:52 sucks 04:08:59 it keeps telling me the floppy is fat 04:09:01 but it isn't 04:09:11 no floppy drive doenst suck the disk, you need to INSERT it :P 04:09:22 ... 04:09:39 lol 04:09:43 DOH 04:10:23 ? 04:10:26 miro 04:10:27 brb 04:10:28 phone 04:12:24 mur mur mur 04:12:53 miro mir miro 04:12:54 MURRRR. 04:13:01 what's doh and lol den? 04:13:14 dunno :D 04:13:22 cool 04:13:24 lol 04:13:25 keep it that way! 04:14:41 "Tired of working for only $9.75 per hour? We offer profit sharing and flexible hours. Starting pay: $7 - $9 per hour." 04:15:01 lol? 04:16:08 hm 04:16:13 miro yuo been drinking heavlity again? 04:16:20 you dont even seem to understand what you think 04:16:21 :P 04:16:22 agh 04:16:27 "Wanted: Hair-cutter. Excellent growth potential." 04:16:40 mur: You're the confused one here. 04:16:40 DSAI JDASD 04:16:59 "Buy your new bedroom suite from us, and we will stand behind it for six months." 04:17:29 :D 04:17:35 "Dinner Special -- Turkey $2.35; Chicken or Beef $2.25; Children $2.00." 04:19:13 "Wanted: 50 girls for stripping machine operators in factory." 04:19:27 --- quit: miro (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:19:55 "We do not tear your clothing with machinery. We do it carefully by hand." 04:21:30 hmm 04:21:40 "Used Cars: Why go elsewhere to be cheated? Come here first!" 04:22:12 my Cybiko is out for delivery 04:22:17 i need some help 04:22:37 what ws it?= 04:22:44 grub 04:22:46 it's a handheld PDA which I develop for 04:26:31 --- join: slime (~slime@h77n2fls32o858.telia.com) joined #osdev 04:27:10 k 04:31:55 Hej. 04:32:03 Min lille slemboll. 04:36:14 du både är slarviga! 04:36:47 ... 04:36:53 Och du kan inte snacka svenska. 04:36:53 tjena robert 04:36:56 Hej 04:36:56 "At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be 'What is Hell?' Come early and listen to our choir practice." 04:37:12 mur: :) 04:37:13 rob_ert förståss inte 04:37:17 pfff 04:37:20 hell is United Parcel Service. 04:37:22 You're just a dumb finn :) 04:37:37 rather dumb finn than swedish 04:37:43 and i'mnot dumb, btw ;) 04:37:53 maybe annoying but not dumb:P 04:40:15 You're both three :) 04:41:49 3? 04:42:04 :) 04:42:06 negative result to unsigned value, rob_ert 04:43:19 x=5/0; 04:44:26 you are not allowed to use hard core mathematics, rob_ert, ask your parents about harms that mathematics cause you. ah, consult that is. :) 04:47:58 --- join: burak (~burak@17.161.252.64.snet.net) joined #osdev 04:48:36 rawr 04:48:40 --- nick: burak -> jfice 04:48:43 clear 04:49:19 --- quit: jfice (Client Quit) 04:50:31 mur: Bah. 04:55:41 --- join: transtone (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 04:56:15 --- join: oink (~ziga@void.phear.org) joined #osdev 05:02:33 --- quit: mur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:03:01 --- join: mur (ammu@baana-62-165-189-214.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 05:08:19 --- quit: oink ("brb") 05:08:27 --- join: oink (~ziga@void.phear.org) joined #osdev 05:08:55 --- join: eks (~eks@h24-70-178-38.wp.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 05:27:01 --- quit: slime (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:34:48 --- join: slime (~slime@h77n2fls32o858.telia.com) joined #osdev 05:38:43 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.78) joined #osdev 05:45:15 --- quit: transtone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:59:06 --- join: lodda (lodda@p508FEEE6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:59:16 hi 05:59:24 hey 05:59:33 hrmph 05:59:49 hello file 06:03:22 hello biquit and fish 06:03:28 = keks and filé 06:03:34 and yodda 06:03:57 is adventure game a game where you walk around with dudez and pick items and use to somethign? 06:04:48 --- join: Zenton (~vicente@8.Red-80-34-35.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #osdev 06:05:05 and arcade games are hack hack hack ones kick punch aagh for instance? 06:05:48 ah no 06:08:51 --- join: Raptor-32 (~rick@stpras01-p12.mts.net) joined #osdev 06:08:51 --- nick: Zenton -> Zenton__ 06:15:30 good morning rick 06:16:53 --- join: corsairk8 (~localhost@pc-62-30-121-110-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 06:17:14 i´ll look some tv 06:17:24 Have fun. 06:17:30 i'l take a rest 06:17:30 :P 06:17:36 heya robby 06:17:43 hi eks 06:17:48 --- nick: lodda -> lodda_away 06:17:54 hey ck8 06:18:28 good morning dave. 06:18:35 eks : set up gpg on your box. 06:18:38 hows fprem going? 06:18:57 Raptor-32: why? 06:19:06 eks : so that phil cant read our emails. ;) 06:19:18 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust66.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 06:19:19 corsairk8: dunno, I should try to check up on that .. 06:19:27 Raptor-32: lol 06:19:38 Raptor-32: not like I'm sending you any email ;) 06:19:46 arent you still workign on it eks? 06:19:50 eks : not to mention the cool factor of having to type a password to send email. :P 06:20:10 cool factor? I rather classify it as an "annoying" factor.. 06:20:23 eks : bah, for ONCE i care about security.... 06:20:40 * rob_ert stands for 90% of the annoying factor in #osdev. 06:20:48 eheh 06:20:56 by god it seems fprem has turned inactive 06:21:16 corsairk8: well... I was playing djembe for the last 2 weeks.. 06:21:27 hehe 06:21:38 * corsairk8 brb 06:21:45 alright, time for school. 06:21:52 * Raptor-32 is so gonna fail that exam. 06:21:57 lol 06:22:03 positive attitude ;) 06:22:12 fucking chemistry 06:22:13 --- quit: Raptor-32 ("[BX] 2000: year of the BitchX") 06:22:17 im gonna so fail my electronics :( 06:22:26 maybe even my history 06:22:35 * corsairk8 is really brbn 06:23:51 * corsairk8 is back 06:24:31 :) 06:25:09 Brazil won 06:25:15 * corsairk8 is really back 06:25:17 2:0 with Belgium 06:27:20 --- join: tirloni (gpt@neutron.tirloni.org) joined #osdev 06:27:40 yuriz: :) 06:27:52 yuriz: Bad for Belgium ;) 06:28:02 yep 06:28:08 but even with this result 06:28:22 Belgium team seemed to be satisfied 06:28:35 because just to play with Brazil - it's a great luck! 06:28:41 Heh. 06:28:50 Like Sweden did in the semifinal '94 :O 06:28:56 s/:O/:P/ 06:29:14 :-O 06:29:36 Hehe. 06:29:38 you were a very little kid then ;) 06:30:03 Bah... I was... 8. 06:30:29 But I still remember most of the games ;) 06:31:17 Brazil isn't playing 10% of what they played in '94 IMO. 06:32:47 hmm 06:33:02 bah should have been 2-1 06:34:07 brazil played pretty bad actualy 06:34:37 Sweden isn't what the used to be either 06:34:42 anyhow 06:34:46 back to the GRUB problem. 06:35:02 GRUB lost with 3-1 against lilo. 06:35:07 yea 06:35:09 hmm 06:35:12 10-1 06:35:21 :D 06:35:33 like Belgium - St. Marino (dunno how to spell it) 06:38:22 how do i make a ext2 grub floppy? 06:39:35 * eks waits for MySQL 3.23.51 to finish compiling... 06:43:33 eks 06:43:34 where? 06:43:42 program or somewhere one in webserver? 06:43:54 on a webserver here at the office 06:46:00 if you wish you can use mysql at host.sk ;) 06:46:10 we had mysql, just an older version 06:46:32 hmm 06:46:39 anyone has a working grub boot floppy? 06:46:48 actually host.sk is quite brilliant hosting page 06:46:48 no ads 06:46:53 infinite diskspace 06:46:55 php and mysql 06:47:00 for instance 06:47:05 dax: I think you can download one from http://uuu.sf.net/ 06:47:07 free also 06:47:16 dax: go on the old homepage then in the download section.. 06:47:47 --- quit: corsairk8 (Connection timed out) 06:48:26 eks can't find it 06:54:49 ... 06:54:52 * dax cries 06:55:07 Awwww :( 06:55:14 * rob_ert gives dax a napkin. 06:55:20 whee. 06:55:54 * mur gives rob_ert a kidnap 06:56:19 * dax hands a darwin award to mur's humor. 06:56:42 it was not humour 06:56:46 we are dead serious now 06:56:56 ... 06:57:07 well yea... your sense of humour died. 06:57:53 what? can you make more sense, i'm running out of it 06:57:55 muahah 06:58:02 its bad humour week now, dax 06:58:08 mustn't tell good jokes 06:58:19 unless 18.00 -> 2.00 06:58:22 of time 06:58:33 ... 06:58:38 capital punishment otherwise executed 06:58:44 * dax craps on mur 06:58:48 you're full of crap. 06:59:13 ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/grub-0.92-i386-pc.ext2fs 06:59:20 dax: it's a bootable system image 06:59:34 dd if=grub-0.92-i386-pc.ext2fs of=/dev/fd0 06:59:37 eks: I'm freaking out 06:59:45 eks: I may have to pay brokerage/customs fees 06:59:45 ... 06:59:47 * file twitches 06:59:56 eks: you're 2 seconds too late 06:59:57 file: for? 07:00:02 i just got one myself working 07:00:03 dax i'm out of order, your order to crap is not allowed until queue is shorter. please be patient 07:00:08 dax: about time ;) 07:00:10 please be my patient :) 07:00:23 for my Cybiko 07:00:26 hey 07:00:32 if it was shipped UPS Standard to Canada :| 07:00:38 I'm hoping it was sent expedited 07:00:39 --- join: darkito (darkito@62-37-200-49.dialup.uni2.es) joined #osdev 07:00:40 dont you understand that i try to motivate you code instead of listening to what i say? 07:00:41 hihi 07:00:51 darkito again removed linux? 07:00:57 wat else is such funny then? 07:00:57 :) 07:01:08 uh? 07:01:23 hihi 07:01:28 hmm 07:01:31 * mur is making sense but make is outdated 07:01:33 i wonder if my kernel will work 07:01:50 and i ought to correct my clock lol it's not 9:01 AM 07:02:25 dax it's 17.02 07:02:35 yea i know 07:03:01 * mur wonders will dax set time to finnish timezone.. 07:03:03 --- nick: lodda_away -> lodda 07:03:21 it's 16:02 here 07:03:24 or 03 07:03:26 whatever 07:03:29 16.03 07:03:30 17.03 really 07:03:31 11:03 07:03:32 honestly 07:03:38 17.03! 07:04:45 it's too hot here 07:04:54 yea 07:04:55 ~38C 07:05:00 hmm 07:05:06 a bit less hot around here 07:05:24 only 35°° 07:05:51 :) 07:05:53 here nice 20x 07:05:53 c 07:06:23 --- join: corsairk8 (~localhost@pc-62-30-121-110-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 07:06:35 that's enough heh 07:06:53 yea 20-25 is enough 07:07:10 cold... so cold 07:07:40 15C out 07:08:30 --- join: lynx (~lynx@pD954483F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 07:08:54 oh 07:08:58 where're you from? 07:09:28 --- join: transtone (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 07:14:19 #!@)*( 07:14:28 someone gave out my email to the spamhounds 07:14:48 * file sets up the protective shield 07:15:07 the funny thing is they are using an email address that i only used in a few places... 07:15:17 maybe i'll just put an autoresponder on it 07:15:23 hrm... 07:15:26 uh huh 07:15:28 and the RBL should be working... 07:15:33 humph 07:16:01 * file waits for UPS 07:16:11 or maybe i'm getting so much spam now that one or two isn't on the blacklist 07:16:33 i'll just have a look at the mail logs and see who it is... 07:16:46 * indigo waits for more spam >:} 07:16:54 * file sends indigo some spam 07:17:00 i love spam! 07:17:03 I've never eaten spam 07:17:36 for some odd reason my slash site isn't working propperly :/ 07:17:46 and slashd wasn't running :( 07:18:05 and the phone is ringing! 07:18:08 aaaaggghh! 07:18:26 "Please hold while we transfer your call" 07:18:31 heheh 07:18:35 it's not for me :) 07:18:37 "Hi, Thanks for calling the President. I'm currently not in, please leave a mesage." 07:18:41 spamcall 07:18:58 heh 07:19:07 i should answer like a machine some time :) 07:19:35 do it 07:19:49 whenever somebody calls here, it gives that Transfer message 07:20:23 it makes automated systems go nuts 07:20:40 so telemarketers don't get through often' 07:21:06 :) 07:21:27 still no UPS! 07:21:42 i was submitting a form someplace, and they had a "to verify that you are not a script, enter here the text in this image:" 07:21:59 i think it was on slashcode 07:22:06 uh huh 07:22:12 Paypal does that too 07:22:21 the other lame thing is that if you submitted a form, then hit back and submitted it again, it would bitch at you 07:22:37 lol 07:22:52 it would say "this form was used 23 secconds ago" 07:23:00 haha 07:23:07 so i had to type the story all over again 07:23:39 uh huh 07:24:13 that must have sucked 07:26:47 --- quit: lodda ("goin to debian.....") 07:28:39 --- join: DorkPunk (l33t3sth4x@207-173-195-28.academicplanet.com) joined #osdev 07:29:10 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@ppp398.ppp9.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 07:29:18 Good morning. :-) 07:29:27 hello 07:29:57 heya ChillySpy 07:30:07 hi dax 07:30:34 whats up 07:30:38 Would it be wise to give every task its own virtual space? 07:30:45 nothing much 07:30:50 but it's damned hot in here 07:31:15 DorkPunk: why not? (basicly that's the mas vs sas argument) 07:31:33 why is it hot? 07:31:38 dax - Mas vs sas? What is this argument? 07:31:55 multiple address space vs single address space 07:31:57 Mulitple Adress Space vs Single Adress Space 07:32:05 ChillySpy: 35C 07:32:05 damn ( you beat me) 07:32:13 where u at? 07:32:21 belgium 07:32:26 What are the advantages to MAS and SAS? 07:32:39 And which does Linux use? 07:32:45 mas 07:32:47 most use mas 07:32:59 haven't seen many non-research SAS oses 07:33:01 every "production" OS uses MAS ... right? 07:33:08 ChillySpy: yea afaik 07:33:13 ChillySpy - Even Windows? 07:33:18 yeah... 07:33:20 maybe a few embedded ones use SAS... dunno 07:33:23 it would crash even more w/o it 07:33:27 hehe 07:33:36 SAS can be nice though 07:33:50 Hmm... But does MAS mean a new address space for *each* task? Or just a new address space for a group of tasks? 07:33:54 dax - SAS means there is no memory protection right? 07:34:02 ChillySpy: no 07:34:07 For example, kernel priority tasks could have one address space, and user priority tasks could have another... But that's all... 07:34:20 DorkPunk: for a group of threads/tasks, depends what you call a task 07:34:30 but most of the time it's one address space for each task 07:34:34 which isn't too bad 07:34:40 brb 07:34:42 dax - I see, so *each* task does not recieve it's own address space... 07:35:45 DorkPunk - what is your project(what os)? 07:35:58 ChillySpy - The project is called Brainix... 07:36:25 DorkPunk - kewl... whats its ideals/goals.. and a link? 07:36:31 ChillySpy - So far, I have implemented a basic flat model (segmentation), interrupts, paging, timer chip support, and now I am working on task switching and scheduling... 07:36:47 ChillySpy - The source code on the link is *very* old... If you want it, I can give you the newest version. 07:36:54 ChillySpy - The link is: http://brainix.darktech.org/ 07:37:05 ChillySpy - The goal is to write a very small, clean, understandable OS. 07:37:17 are there comments in the code? 07:37:33 bah 07:37:33 ChillySpy - No comments (yet). But the code is fairly readable. 07:37:41 C? 07:37:41 i need to rewrite a really large part of daxos 07:37:58 ChillySpy - Yes, *mostly* C, with just a little bit of assembly (inline, and in two .S files). 07:38:18 sweet... can i see the new source then 07:38:30 ChillySpy - Sure. Can you extract a .tar.gz file? 07:38:39 yep 07:38:50 ChillySpy: how's your os project? 07:39:08 havn't started 07:39:20 waiting till i get the Tanebaum book and hammer out the design 07:39:46 I want that book! 07:40:20 ChillySpy - Brainix will compile if you have gcc and GNU make. And Brainix will only boot with Multiboot compliant bootloaders (like GRUB). 07:40:23 well im getting the minix one... but i might buy the moder os design 's book 07:41:52 dax - why do u ask? 07:41:59 just wondering 07:42:12 do u like the OOS idea? 07:42:21 kinda 07:42:27 * DorkPunk thinks. 07:42:38 How can there be memory protection with SAS? 07:42:40 dax - what do/dont u like about it 07:42:51 DorkPunk - i was wondering that too. 07:43:21 * ChillySpy thinks DorkPunk should look at http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/237 07:43:21 ChillySpy - If you have any questions about the source, just ask. 07:43:39 * DorkPunk has a look. 07:43:44 ChillySpy: well... memory protection is a bit more difficult in a (partitial) SAS os 07:43:49 but it's still possible 07:44:39 dax - How? With segment-based protection? 07:44:48 dax - And page-based protection? Nothing else? 07:44:55 daxos will be able to give tasks a so-called small address space, which is just a part of an address space actualy... really speeds up ipc 07:45:08 DorkPunk: safe language, virtual machine, be creative :) 07:45:48 dax - Do you use software-based task switching? 07:45:54 yes 07:46:00 dax - what do/dont u like about OOS 07:46:26 ChillySpy: i like most of it 07:46:37 alot like daxos 07:47:08 well cp (copy) does like 75% of the systems work 07:47:29 the kernel will be minimal, the drivers handle everything 07:47:46 ChillySpy: that's the basic microkernel approach 07:48:08 right ... i know 07:48:29 My kernel doesn't even support modules yet. :-( 07:48:29 daxos kernel is like uhm 18kb atm 07:48:53 still @ version 0.0.01 07:49:05 My kernel is 34 KB, I think. 07:49:09 thats still kinda big for version 0.0.01 07:49:16 hmm 07:49:25 well i'll up the version number when i think it's worth it heh 07:49:41 and ipc & external pagers aren't done yet, so no 0.0.02 yet. 07:49:52 External pagers? 07:50:03 well it's done but...still some bugs 07:50:06 DorkPunk: yes 07:50:10 DorkPunk - u looking at the page? 07:50:22 ahah 07:50:28 ChillySpy - Yes. 07:50:29 if you need some reference to port your OS: 07:50:31 http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/museum.html 07:50:37 (: 07:50:40 dax - What is an external pager? 07:50:53 DorkPunk: well... i'm just moving a large part of the MM outside of the kernel 07:51:35 dax - Wow... 07:51:54 DorkPunk - the GDT stuff looks good 07:51:54 I wish my "kernel" did nothing but load and unload modules. 07:52:06 ChillySpy - Thanks. I tried to make everything as readable as possible. 07:52:16 ChillySpy - That's why I used bitfields in most cases, instead of bitwise operators. 07:52:19 DorkPunk: that's kinda the basic daxos idea 07:52:26 dax - That's awesome! 07:52:44 switching to gcc 3.1 is giving me a hard time damn 07:53:07 DorkPunk - what does the GDT do again 07:53:39 i should write module support ASAP... as i'm just writing hacks to test code now... 07:54:17 ChillySpy - Two things go in the GDT... 1 - Segment definitions, and 2 - task definitions (for hardware task switching). 07:54:33 dax - dont you have to load from disk... fix up the headers in the executable and then jump to gthe goatds 07:54:36 ChillySpy - So far, my GDT contains only 4 segments: kernel code, kernel data, user code, and user data. 07:54:50 All of my segments start at 0x0, and have a limit of 4 GB, so in effect, I have disabled segmenting. 07:54:51 goatds? 07:55:06 --- quit: slime (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:55:17 --- join: slime (~slime@h77n2fls32o858.telia.com) joined #osdev 07:55:27 goatds == code ... hehehe 07:55:44 ah... 07:55:55 i was thinking about the goat data segment 07:56:08 dax - hahah 07:56:27 one note... 07:56:34 vmware sucks for debugging. 07:57:14 I tried to use Bochs, and it seemed to work well, but sometimes the performance was unreliable. 07:57:30 i can't use bochs 07:57:35 dax - why not 07:57:40 as i'm using some features not supported by it 07:57:48 for some damned reason it doesn't support PSE 07:57:57 dax - PSE? 07:58:03 page size extension 07:58:13 2 MB or 4 MB pages, instead of default 4 KB pages. 07:59:58 * dax loves PSE 08:03:36 PSE = pervert sex exhibition 08:03:41 must be 08:03:47 * dax slaps mur 08:03:56 SLAPPY SLAP SLAP FOR MUR. 08:04:41 i suppose you mean clap , so i thank you 08:04:52 the word is applause 08:04:57 it is? 08:05:00 hmm 08:11:30 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again") 08:11:32 * eks thinks that /usr and /usr/local are an extra confusion that could have been avoided in *nix 08:11:32 --- join: Zn4k2 (zinac@cs243169-153.jam.rr.com) joined #osdev 08:11:35 --- quit: corsairk8 (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 08:11:36 /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin .... 08:11:48 eks - I agree! 08:22:03 --- join: corsairk8 (~localhost@pc-62-30-121-110-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 08:23:15 corsairk8 - Welcome back. 08:23:19 bah 08:23:26 thos bastards still dont have the ibooks there 08:23:32 i think i order it online 08:29:24 --- part: Zn4k2 left #osdev 08:31:18 lynx!! 08:31:32 qhns is rhey asovinrasoeinrv 08:31:33 agh 08:31:36 when did they say to have? 08:32:48 tomorrow ? maybe the next week? 08:32:57 they told me they have it on friday :/ 08:35:11 hmpf 08:35:25 --- nick: transtone -> trans 08:35:26 why dind'ty ou in first place ordered from apple inet strore? 08:35:31 hrm 08:35:40 postage costs hmm 08:35:40 :) 08:36:20 cuz they need 10 days minimum 08:43:04 --- part: ChillySpy left #osdev 08:43:15 --- part: DorkPunk left #osdev 08:45:40 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@c-417e70d5.012-33-6b6c6d1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 08:45:57 Hej. 08:46:00 hejhej 08:48:40 cookin hello 08:50:14 hi yuri 08:50:43 cookin: what's cookin' ? 08:51:03 working on guss 08:51:43 omg 08:51:51 UPS wanted $42.45 for brokerage fees!!!!!!!! 08:52:56 file you shoudl have built it from lego mindstorms after all! 08:54:33 * file groans 08:54:36 they are coming back tomorrow 08:54:40 I need to borrow money from my parents 08:55:02 I need $15 08:55:31 lol@file 09:06:27 --- quit: darkito ("User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's") 09:08:37 --- join: darkito (darkito@62-37-200-227.dialup.uni2.es) joined #osdev 09:08:41 hih 09:13:56 hey darkito 09:14:03 eks !! :)) 09:14:26 :) 09:14:42 I'm quite unhappy 09:14:57 file: regretting the Cybiko already? ;) 09:15:13 no. 09:15:20 I'm hating Canada Customs 09:15:37 bbl, calling shipping company 09:17:47 --- quit: tirloni ("brb") 09:17:53 file: next time someone ships something to you, tell them to put "10$" value on the package, so if you pay for customs it will be way less :P 09:18:34 :p 09:18:50 I'm going to see if my mom will take me over, and pay for it... 09:28:07 --- join: lodda (lodda@p508FD9E2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 09:45:12 the kernel of QNX is 32k 09:45:23 is this much for a micro-kernel? 09:45:42 no, it's pretty much average 09:46:37 hmm 09:48:45 Some people want more, and some people want less in their microkernels. 09:50:45 aha 09:51:52 hehe 09:52:01 eks read osbeer joke? 09:52:23 "windows 95 comes in 32 oz. cans but when you look inside tehre is only 16 oz" :) 09:52:32 although i dont support oz. units 09:52:54 * rob_ert buys mur an ounce of parfume. 09:53:48 what shoudl i do with parfume? 09:54:25 Drink, of course. 09:54:25 rob_ert? 09:54:29 hm.. 09:54:41 nowi understand why you are ocassionally such weird ;) 09:55:42 do u know a good tutorial about process-managment? 09:56:02 The primula source. 09:56:12 They will tell you exactly what to avoid. ;) 09:56:29 hmm 09:56:47 where to find, i lost all my links :( 09:57:20 --- nick: corsairk8 -> ck 09:57:49 --- nick: ck -> ckm 10:00:09 --- join: n_ (nm@pcp01518417pcs.reding01.pa.comcast.net) joined #osdev 10:02:21 --- join: Zn4k2 (zinac@cs243169-153.jam.rr.com) joined #osdev 10:02:26 --- part: Zn4k2 left #osdev 10:02:46 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:05:00 --- quit: n_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:05:32 --- join: n_ (nm@pcp01518417pcs.reding01.pa.comcast.net) joined #osdev 10:17:01 hmm 10:17:07 time to get a USB mouse working :) 10:17:21 Ugh... USB mouse. 10:17:30 ugh, usb mouse! 10:17:33 it's really small 10:17:34 optical 10:17:45 sweet :) 10:17:47 >:| 10:17:50 USB... 10:17:53 --- quit: Divine ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 10:20:46 hmm... 10:20:46 no USB howto... 10:20:46 USB is great 10:20:46 USB 0wnz 10:20:46 it's the linux support for it that sucks 10:20:46 that's why 10:20:46 in our hobby OSes 10:20:46 we need to pay special attention to the USB stack.. 10:20:46 * rob_ert hates new mice :P 10:20:46 --- join: eks_ (~eks@h24-70-178-38.wp.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 10:21:28 rob_ert: why?? 10:21:29 they're so comfortable... and nice 10:21:29 optical mice last forever.. never need to be cleaned 10:21:30 --- quit: eks (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: eks_!~eks@h24-70-178-38.wp.shawcable.net))) 10:21:33 --- nick: eks_ -> eks 10:22:12 --- quit: lodda ("goin to debian and have fun") 10:24:37 --- quit: indigo ("bbl, if my mouse works") 10:25:24 --- join: SLACKo (~SLACKo@65.199.128.16) joined #osdev 10:25:28 hi folks 10:25:35 hi you 10:25:47 sup 10:26:36 --- join: indigo (~daboy@bgp01104776bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 10:27:03 wb :) 10:27:24 --- quit: witten ("bye") 10:28:26 SLACKo 0,00 10:29:41 --- quit: Javanx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:29:53 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.78) joined #osdev 10:31:08 --- join: lodda (lodda@p508FF3C6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 10:31:22 back to early :(( 10:31:33 my mice didn´t work in debian 10:32:05 mice? 10:32:07 isnt' one enoguh? 10:32:30 i mean mouse 10:32:44 --- quit: indigo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:33:05 what moiche? 10:34:45 moiche? 10:35:11 He's just trolling :) 10:35:23 hmm 10:35:39 i would be banned :( 10:35:50 :) 10:35:54 Feel chosen. 10:36:00 hmm 10:36:36 i´ll read some os-stuff 10:37:32 moiche mouse 10:37:40 wurt kix0riggin 10:38:08 no 10:38:10 i hust mixor mi wurder 10:38:12 lodda = lynx? 10:38:27 what mouse, damn it! 10:38:28 nope 10:38:28 lodda 10:38:43 ps2-mouse 10:38:49 n_ sorry, but lynx doenst own germany biggest isp, yet.. 10:38:58 not working in x or? 10:39:39 yep X (kde) 10:40:10 i´ll install again.. 10:40:21 ah 10:40:31 have you tried running X86Setup ? 10:40:31 :) 10:40:40 how? 10:40:55 in textmodus 10:41:01 textmode 10:41:51 * file grumbles 10:41:52 not a good day 10:42:00 i want to know where to find nice tuts about process-managment 10:42:06 ... 10:42:08 lodda: are you writing your own OS? 10:42:16 Hehe. 10:42:19 i want to 10:42:31 but í´m far away of it 10:42:34 in what language? 10:42:37 C 10:42:47 Not VB? :( 10:43:02 VB OS???? 10:43:30 sucking XP connect to inet without asking me 10:43:32 --- join: gedamo (gdm@gedamo.demon.co.uk) joined #osdev 10:43:38 hi 10:43:45 hi 10:43:53 /away bbl <- 10:44:09 C eh 10:44:16 are you fluent in C? 10:44:39 I'm a bit rusty 10:44:50 fluent? 10:46:15 where is OSD? 10:46:58 --- join: indigo (~daboy@bgp01104776bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 10:47:06 hmm..i don´t like to read OS-D&I 10:47:14 http://www.execpc.com/~geezer/osd/index.htm 10:47:17 yay! 10:47:20 * indigo has a usb mouse now :P 10:47:42 indigo 10:47:50 when are you getting your custom MIPS workstation? 10:48:02 with the dual r14000 processors, etc 11:07:25 when i have the money :) 11:08:23 --- nick: lodda -> lodda_away 11:08:28 hmmmm 11:09:00 ahh 11:09:06 i was scared for a moment... 11:09:17 i plugged my mouse into a different usb port and it stopped working 11:14:08 --- quit: ckm (Connection timed out) 11:15:04 --- nick: Zenton__ -> Zenton 11:15:19 hi all 11:16:06 hi 11:21:22 bk 11:22:27 --- join: pavlovskii (pavlovskii@modem-652.awesome.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 11:27:24 --- join: HeavyJoost (HeavyJoost@1Cust162.tnt37.rtm1.nl.uu.net) joined #osdev 11:28:39 --- join: trans (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 11:46:35 back 11:48:08 wb lynx 11:48:19 hi lynx, eks 11:48:49 --- join: tirloni (gpt@neutron.tirloni.org) joined #osdev 11:48:50 thanks :) 11:48:55 WUZZZZAP??? 11:49:28 lynx: setting up MimerDesk (http://mimerdesk.org) 11:50:03 * pavlovskii is writing documentation in XML 11:52:20 lynx! 11:52:22 ibook? 11:52:26 :( 11:52:39 lynx 11:52:39 they are waiting for their fucking books ... 11:52:44 mur : hja? 11:52:55 terve, lynx 11:53:05 tjena :P 11:54:14 that's swedish 11:54:32 i know 11:54:35 it is evil 11:54:52 i'll teach you finnish greetings :) 11:54:53 terve 11:54:55 tervehdys 11:54:56 moi 11:55:02 moikka, morjens, moi moi 11:55:05 hei 11:55:06 heippa 11:55:18 lynx 11:55:22 why did you not get your ibook? 11:55:24 --- quit: HeavyJoost (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:55:35 n_ : because the store is waiting for their books 11:59:07 ;/ 12:03:09 --- quit: indigo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:19:30 --- quit: gedamo ("Leaving") 12:24:30 --- join: Jeroen_ (jeroen@kf-nawij-fp06-001.dial.kabelfoon.nl) joined #osdev 12:25:51 --- quit: Jeroen (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: Jeroen_!jeroen@kf-nawij-fp06-001.dial.kabelfoon.nl))) 12:25:57 --- nick: Jeroen_ -> Jeroen 12:26:11 --- join: ckm (~localhost@pc-62-30-121-110-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 12:39:17 --- join: indigo (~daboy@bgp01104776bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 12:48:46 i´ll read OS-D&I 12:49:06 a 12:49:14 o 12:49:16 u 12:49:20 e 12:49:25 etc... 12:49:30 cause of the concepts of filesystems and multiprogramming 12:49:47 hae? 12:49:51 a 12:49:51 o 12:49:52 u 12:49:54 e 12:49:57 etc... 12:49:59 ? 12:50:08 aeiou 12:50:09 hey, lodda_away 12:50:11 can we help you? 12:50:24 nope 12:50:51 i just wanted to give a status of me 12:50:53 :) 12:52:35 lol 12:52:38 and back again 12:52:44 ^TX DEAH MOBILE 12:52:56 sorry... watching animal house divx ;] 12:54:13 --- nick: lodda_away -> lodda_really_awa 12:54:27 bye 12:54:53 hmm 12:55:04 anyone know how to get a scroll wheel to work in X? 12:56:22 join #linpeople 12:56:26 whoops :P 12:57:13 indigo: set your mouse type to ImPS/2 12:57:30 i did 12:57:41 still doesn't work, in mozilla anyway 12:57:52 in mozilla you have to configure buttons 4 and 5 12:58:10 in this you have to configure that 12:58:14 set the z axis 12:58:14 in that you have to configure this 12:58:19 to 4 & 5 12:58:31 where do i set that? 12:58:36 and so forth... 12:59:05 xf86config file 12:59:06 under mouse 12:59:24 Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" 12:59:27 ahh 12:59:38 works for me 13:00:04 in the InputDevice section? 13:00:05 --- join: nbsp (g@ip68-14-60-55.no.no.cox.net) joined #osdev 13:00:46 ja 13:00:54 brb...gotta restart X :P 13:00:57 --- quit: indigo ("leaving") 13:01:08 --- quit: eks ("bbl8r") 13:02:39 --- join: indigo (~daboy@bgp01104776bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 13:02:44 yay! 13:02:47 * indigo hugs #osdev 13:02:54 you guys should see my mouse 13:03:03 it's a little tiny usb optical thingie 13:03:11 the right size to match my keyboard :) 13:03:19 at actually very comfortable 13:03:34 --- quit: pavlovskii ("bbl") 13:03:49 and since i only use it when i'm using software that sucks enough to force use of the mouse, it's just right :) 13:03:54 --- join: Rico (Rico@node-c-1c6a.a2000.nl) joined #osdev 13:04:03 --- part: Rico left #osdev 13:04:07 --- join: Rico (Rico@node-c-1c6a.a2000.nl) joined #osdev 13:07:48 --- join: kupak (~vacsda@195.228.89.33) joined #osdev 13:07:51 hi osdev ! 13:08:03 have to go, again my sister´s fault 13:08:40 bye 13:09:56 --- quit: lodda_really_awa ("svara is annoying me") 13:13:18 * dax wonders if SIMNOW is usable as a x86 emulator... hmm 13:17:55 --- join: pavlovskii (pavlovskii@modem-656.arcanine.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 13:22:38 --- quit: kupak () 13:25:07 --- join: eks (~eks@h24-70-178-38.wp.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 13:25:38 hex! 13:25:44 hey mur 13:26:25 eks: u were really mean to beboy ;) 13:26:42 air: was I? ;) 13:27:16 air: can't be meaner than you with nothing :p 13:27:34 nothing is really a prick tho 13:28:00 I didn't intend to be "really" rude with BeBoy.. but the question he asked was... pretty lame.. 13:28:02 just ask everyone who looked at the gay pr0n urls he spammed to the channel :) 13:28:03 heh 13:28:09 BeBoy 13:28:10 rofl 13:28:16 eks: Beboy == me :) 13:28:20 ehehe 13:28:35 well, the question you asked was really lame ;) 13:29:02 u guys were suppose to call 911 if qzx.com went down 13:29:10 ahahah 13:29:14 never had a briefing on that 13:29:38 hah 13:29:48 i'd end up calling 911 every other hour 13:29:56 since qzx.com is on a flaky cable connection 13:30:29 that was the first time it has ever been down 13:30:58 you mean irc.qzx.com? 13:31:10 damn power went out and i forgot to reset the modem before i left 13:31:37 luckily the power was only out for about 20-30mins to my uptime wasnt hurt :) 13:31:41 no 13:31:43 it was some otehr url 13:31:44 :P 13:31:57 Linux 2.4.17 (i686 451MHz) up 141 days 18:45 hours, 1503404 procs 13:32:09 who cares, if qzx.com was on a real connection like a t1 or something, then it would make sense monitoring it 13:32:11 1.5 million processes 13:32:14 but it's on some cable, just like everyone else 13:37:10 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust111.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 13:38:22 I440r: did u see that interview with chuck moore at the register? 13:39:25 I440r: he finally saw the light and will no longer be doing any forth work 13:40:20 air: is he switching to C? 13:40:24 or maybe C#? ;) 13:40:39 --- quit: nbsp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:41:25 crush :) 13:41:34 uhhh 13:41:38 massive gayness 13:42:28 lynx: yer gay now? 13:43:25 huaoheunatshnoeahunoesh!! 13:43:29 --- quit: I440r (Connection reset by peer) 13:43:50 wow 13:43:52 someone give me something to do! 13:44:00 that news crushed him :) 13:44:14 indigo: you really want some work, eh? 13:44:18 indigo: you could write me a network stack 13:44:28 for what? 13:44:28 I have an easy task.... 13:44:32 indigo: u could write a crush compiler 13:44:36 eww 13:44:41 ... 13:44:42 pavlovskii: what's your OS? 13:44:46 very easy to write 13:44:46 Mobius 13:44:52 http://mobius.sf.net/ 13:44:59 I give you a .raw audio sample of sine waves (whistling, similar to sine wave) and you check the wavelength 13:45:07 and convert it into a series of MIDI messages 13:45:13 really easy to do 13:45:26 uhhh 13:45:27 ink: which wavelength (you mean frequency, right?) 13:45:33 find the avg of the sample, and whenever it goes from lo to hi, reset the counter and find the nearest note 13:45:36 ink: Fast Fourier Transform 13:45:37 pavlovskii: no 13:45:39 NO 13:45:39 --- join: kupak (~vacsda@195.228.89.33) joined #osdev 13:45:41 pick the strongest point 13:45:42 re 13:45:45 ink : you do midi programming? 13:45:45 easy :) 13:45:45 FFT would be OVERKILL for this 13:45:52 lynx: yeah, I'm writing a synthesizer 13:45:54 for linux 13:45:57 going to be open source 13:45:58 it's a nice general solution though 13:46:11 you could play anything into it, and it would convert it to midi 13:46:14 but IK hope to (in the future) maybe sell styandalone modules for people to use in production 13:46:24 well anyway 13:46:25 it could even analyse the spectrum and guess the right instrument 13:46:26 gotta go 13:46:27 bbiab 13:46:34 pavlovskii: no so smple as that 13:46:35 believe me 13:46:37 http://195.228.89.33/grab/Picture%2011.jpg 13:46:37 ink : would you like to work on a hardware project ? 13:46:40 this is my dog 13:46:42 * ink done lots of resaearchj on these things =] 13:46:45 lynx: YES 13:46:50 ink : i have all parts here and the necessary circuit 13:46:54 i grabed it right now 13:46:55 hehe 13:46:58 hmmmm 13:47:01 --- quit: tirloni (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) 13:47:05 well, I plan to just buy old boxen off EBAY and give them a new case ;] 13:47:05 ink : i wanted to make a compeltely analogue-way c64 midi synth 13:47:13 lynx what parts and cicrtuy? 13:47:16 lynx: I will need to talk to you more 13:47:18 later 13:47:21 ink : ok 13:47:25 causenow I' gotta go to some job shit.... 13:47:25 --- join: tirloni (gpt@neutron.tirloni.org) joined #osdev 13:47:26 lynx: tell us more 13:47:27 brb 13:47:31 uhhh 13:47:33 well 13:47:34 bai 13:47:38 hrm 13:47:39 kupak: lol@dog 13:47:39 s/brb/bbiab/ 13:47:45 i have two old c64 SIDS 13:47:49 hummmmmmmmmmmmm 13:47:52 i want to interface it via midi 13:48:00 http://195.228.89.33/grab/Picture%202.jpg this is me 13:48:09 all settings like wave type .. etc are going to be set via usual potis/knobs 13:48:14 the analogue way :) 13:48:18 well, if i was going to write a network stack for mobius, i should work on tauga 13:48:25 but ja know... 13:48:26 so what is needed to be coded is ... 13:48:37 kupak: wtf is in your mouth? 13:48:38 atmel programm + sid interface +midi interface 13:48:43 seeing all these people in this chan makes me wonder why we don't all work on a project that might go somewhere :) 13:48:46 pavlovskii a cig 13:48:55 kupak: hmm, looks funny 13:49:17 i don't tihnk any two people in the chan are working on the same project 13:49:29 pavlovskii : you understand? 13:49:38 indigo: I have more developers coding for Mobius but we tend to meet in #mobius 13:49:44 so, who wants to work on tauga? :P 13:49:57 lynx: so it's a midi synthesiser for C64? 13:50:02 not an actual analogue synth? 13:50:04 kupak: thats a panzy dog 13:50:12 see, i never really wanted to do OS dev 13:50:19 pavlovskii : no 13:50:25 http://195.228.89.33/grab/Picture%2017.jpg my daughter 13:50:32 pavlovskii : it is a midi synth basing on c64`s sid chip 13:50:41 what i wanted to do was develop XGS, which is a whole 'nother thing, but all the OSs out there sucked so much I got sucked into unununium... 13:50:49 kupak how olad you?= 13:50:52 lynx: so it behaves like a midi synth but outputs sound using the C64? 13:50:54 then unununium became something else, so i started tauga 13:50:58 mur 27 13:51:04 pavlovskii : only it sound chip 13:51:07 kupak: http://www.qzx.com/about/dog/ <-- my dog 13:51:23 maybe i should have a contest to see who has the best os :) 13:51:29 pavlovskii : the whole synth is powered by an atmel cpu , i have all that home 13:51:32 kupak: an akita 13:51:47 i have never heard of it ! 13:51:48 or maybe i should just overhaul linux 13:51:57 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust111.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 13:52:04 lynx: hmm, interesting 13:52:13 pavlovskii : jup 13:52:20 lynx: is the C64's CPU not powerful enough to drive the chip from midi? 13:52:26 blah 13:52:26 or maybe i should just talk randomly until someone responds to me :P 13:52:28 pavlovskii : look 13:52:33 hrmm all hungarians are about 30 13:52:37 pavlovskii : SID = absolutely digital 13:52:38 and all swedes are about 18 13:52:40 weird :) 13:52:56 pavlovskii : i want knobs and stuff and no midi-> serial interface , i want something you can use on stage 13:54:42 eks: want to work on tauga with me? 13:55:09 * indigo offers eks a bribe 13:55:16 pavlovskii : muhahahahha 13:55:31 pavlovskii : i am not sure if it works ... since ihave to solder the circuit ... 13:55:50 http://195.228.89.33/grab/Picture%2027.jpg the past ! 13:56:12 lynx: hmm, got any circuit diagrams? 13:56:19 * kupak likes playing with a cheap webcam 13:56:28 pavlovskii : ja 13:56:41 pavlovskii : i haven`t designed it 13:56:46 it was a freind of mine 13:56:58 but you need a windows program for it 13:57:02 it is shareware or sumfin 13:57:06 lynx: if you have them in computer format I'd be interested to see them 13:57:25 ja 13:57:30 BUT COPYRIGHTS!!! 13:57:55 hm 13:58:14 btw 13:58:15 indigo: sorry pal, I really don't have time for this 13:58:16 atmel cpus rule 13:58:19 lol 13:58:31 they are like 12 e and you get flash , eeprom , sram and a 8bit 8mhz cpu with 32regs 13:58:35 >:) 13:58:36 hmm, I think I've used an atmel in the past 13:58:56 lynx: WHEN are you getting the iBook? 13:59:14 n_ : tomorrow , never ??? dunno 13:59:55 wait 14:01:18 wait? 14:01:27 http://195.228.89.33/grab/Picture%2029.jpg 14:01:40 --- join: XeF4 (~XeF4@dsl-XV-118.kotikaista.weppi.fi) joined #osdev 14:02:07 whoah.. full house. air: what's this about Moore not doing Forth anymore? 14:02:22 kupak : die , bitch ;) 14:02:28 :DD 14:02:51 moi XeF4 14:03:31 air: have you a link to this Register article? 14:03:38 we all want to know :P 14:05:14 kupak you have not set correct resolution. the fonts you use are too big for to print! 14:05:33 what ? 14:05:59 besides i wonder how convenient is using wordpad and courier ;) 14:06:23 it is ! :) 14:06:37 the font is 72pt big 14:07:46 --- quit: tirloni ("bbl") 14:09:46 best site ever :DD -> http://www.lofasz.tk/ 14:11:24 shitcity.com is sick 14:12:04 this site is for the #coders.hu 14:12:47 now i know what they do 14:12:51 :D 14:16:12 100,000,000 instructions simulated in 0.949279 seconds (105,343,107 insns per second) 14:16:40 ... 14:16:51 Bah. 14:17:01 --- join: HeavyJoost (HeavyJoost@1Cust37.tnt35.rtm1.nl.uu.net) joined #osdev 14:17:03 That could be my fastest computer :( 14:17:04 probably all 'nops' :))) 14:17:11 lol 14:18:09 n_: it's the following insn sequence; 14:18:14 0: j 0b 14:18:18 nop 14:18:19 .. 14:21:49 heh 14:23:10 lynx and you still wonder no brilliant software from hungrary? ;) 14:24:33 i never expected such things to happen 14:26:09 we have many :) 14:28:13 --- quit: Javanx ("I don't feel a thing, and i stopped remembering. The days are just like moments tourned to hours") 14:29:04 but something that is NOT related to budapest pronindustry .. 14:32:23 --- join: Raptor-32 (~rick@stpras01-p56.mts.net) joined #osdev 14:34:57 hm.. there have been some nice Hungarian demos.. 14:35:34 hey Raptor-32 14:35:52 hey 14:36:22 bill gates is hungarian !! :D 14:36:33 Raptor-32 : would you like to play with some code? 14:36:38 kupak is hungarian! :D 14:36:54 lynx : what the hell is the matter with you? 14:37:00 does kupak use Hungarian notation in his code? 14:37:00 nothing 14:37:05 ok then. 14:37:06 Raptor-32 : just test it 14:37:10 bah 14:37:11 pff 14:37:13 blah 14:37:14 oh, testing, thats different. 14:37:22 COOL 14:37:23 playing with code != testing binary. 14:37:30 my VIDCARD IS BROKEN 14:37:32 bah 14:37:35 wtf?!?!? 14:37:53 give me a few days here. 14:37:58 cool 14:37:59 school isnt even over yet. 14:38:01 pavlovskii i dont even know what it is ! 14:38:02 i was in beos 14:38:08 then my vidcard stopped working 14:38:13 and now it doesnt work again 14:38:16 that sucks 14:38:16 15 secs ago 14:38:18 your voodoo? 14:38:20 kupak: alpszGoodForYouPfn 14:38:22 yeah 14:38:25 lemme see 14:38:31 pavlovskii that sucks ! 14:38:37 kupak: you're right 14:38:38 stupid hungarians !! 14:38:48 heh 14:38:54 displayes 14:38:55 something 14:39:18 instead i go like -> int this_is_an_int_called_i; 14:40:16 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.78) joined #osdev 14:40:18 to keep my code small, I give all my variables names like 'a', 'b', 'c', etc. 14:40:25 except that I can only have 26 14:40:29 :DD 14:40:35 j/k you realise 14:40:41 ohew 14:40:42 phew 14:40:55 i use only arrays 14:40:55 Raptor-32 : shall i just paste my code into the osw to test it? 14:40:56 Hrm. 14:41:09 like int ints[10000000] and put them glabal 14:41:16 * pavlovskii thinks df's OS web forum is turning into df's Boot Sector web forum 14:41:24 Heh. 14:41:25 so all my vars ar just indexes int the arrays 14:41:58 lynx : wherever it would get executed. 14:43:13 hrm 14:43:20 seems that there is a bug 14:43:31 or it doesnt assemble with latest nasm? 14:47:07 --- quit: Raptor-32 ("[BX] Time wasted: -4 millenia 0 centuries 1 decades -6 years -9 months") 14:56:08 "Time wasted: -4 millenia 0 centuries 1 decades -6 years -9 months" -eh? 14:56:26 :) 14:56:32 Hoi, Rico! 14:56:40 :D 14:56:43 Hoi, rob_ert! 14:56:46 I'm fucked!!! 14:56:47 :( 14:56:49 :( 14:56:51 Why? 14:56:54 school 14:56:59 >:( ? 14:57:23 we aint gonna make our deadline for our school project :( 14:57:37 Awwww :( 14:57:44 What are you doing? 14:58:00 and that's a half year of school :(( 14:58:38 Oh, god... 14:58:42 What kind of project? 14:58:57 back 14:58:58 discussing with my teammates what will happen now. (i.e. do we either get assfucked, killed...) 14:59:11 ink: :) 14:59:12 an important one 14:59:21 What is it about? 14:59:25 ink! 14:59:57 ink : you know about the SID ? 15:00:10 SID? 15:00:23 --- quit: Javanx ("I don't feel a thing, and i stopped remembering. The days are just like moments tourned to hours") 15:00:24 it is the soundproc in your c64 15:00:34 rico: when is it due? 15:00:50 * ink has no c64 15:01:01 Hehe. 15:01:09 ink: bah 15:01:11 * rob_ert pets his C64 compatible C128D. 15:01:30 * lynx pets his two sids ... ripped apart form working machines >:) 15:01:50 hehehe 15:01:54 ink: you are interested in such a project? 15:02:04 * kupak pets concrete 15:02:09 lynx: what exactly is your project? 15:02:20 and what exactly does the SID do? 15:02:22 just DSP? 15:02:24 or synthesis? 15:02:28 synth 15:02:37 SID is actually a fully digital synth 15:02:41 lynx: so you've removed the SID from a C64 and you're using it in your own circuit? 15:02:47 i just want ti as an standalone device 15:02:54 with analogue way knobs .. 15:03:02 pavlovskii : ja 15:03:09 * pavlovskii understands now 15:03:12 is that evil or evil ? 15:03:20 satanic! 15:03:24 >:) 15:03:27 bwahahahahaha 15:03:32 $:D 15:03:41 heh 15:03:45 well 15:03:47 charlie brown!! 15:03:49 charlie brown!! 15:03:49 charlie brown!! 15:04:07 actually... i fi could look into the circuit i could solder it or start programming the avr 15:05:10 muhahahah 15:05:14 it is sooo evil 15:05:24 * lynx would die for having those real c64 beats 15:05:30 If I can't reach the deadline, I have to do the same project all over again, that's 20 weeks all over again! 15:05:46 * lynx could imagine connecting that to his ibook and sampler .. muhahahaha and his turntables ... MUHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 15:06:00 --- quit: ckm (Connection timed out) 15:06:23 Rico what is the project like? 15:07:26 building an ITIL management application in c++ builder for a medical equipment company 15:07:27 Studying how rape victims feel afterward? 15:07:36 Oh... 15:07:38 ITIL = ? 15:07:42 almost the same :) 15:07:50 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.78) joined #osdev 15:07:51 hmmmmm 15:08:08 lynx: well, you see what my project is 15:08:14 no 15:08:15 ? 15:08:18 it to make a linux softsynth that emulates analogue synth 15:08:21 xDD~~~~ 15:08:23 oops 15:08:26 darkito: XD 15:08:30 IT Infrastructure Library, a so called 'best practice' IT managament blah blah blah... 15:08:35 it is going to be sooooo configurable 15:08:46 like, you make these synth files that it parses as instruments 15:08:54 the parser is almost done 15:09:00 rob_ert :) 15:09:04 and it will be MIDI controlled 15:09:07 blagh, script files 15:09:18 nono 15:09:21 well kinda 15:09:24 it loads the file once 15:09:28 I had a demo of an amazing synth program for Windows 15:09:28 and compiles a synth tgree from it 15:09:31 can't remember what it was called 15:09:36 whihc it copies for each note as it processees it 15:09:45 ink : how many ppl are in your project? 15:09:53 ink : do you know reactor ? 15:09:55 lynx: only 2 that have written any code 15:10:01 lynx: that was it! Reactor 15:10:02 yeah reaktor is cool 15:10:11 ReBirth 15:10:17 there are many cool synths 15:10:24 I just want to make a differant one 15:10:25 pavlovskii : i worked with a friend with it ... when we did some nice tracks 15:10:29 which will make NEW sounds 15:10:31 ink : hrm 15:10:31 my uncle has the full version, he has his own music studio 15:10:39 ink : you know cliq-hop ? 15:10:41 no 15:10:47 the music style? 15:10:47 with 2 atari's to control and record the midi 15:11:01 ink : does it use SDL and stuff ? so it is portable ? 15:11:13 ink : what language do you use? 15:11:24 C 15:11:35 I'm going to use SDL (maybe) for sound I/O and timing 15:11:42 maybe multithreading if it is needed 15:11:47 in case I ever want to port it 15:11:49 ink : you know there are projects doing sounds via AI and stuff ... i heard some music made with it .. it is fucking interesting 15:11:55 but since the only way I'd make any money is off hardware 15:11:58 ink : you know what would be overcool ? 15:12:11 ink : to have this system being totally bootable ... 15:12:12 lynx: I was playingh with synth AI 15:12:19 wanna hear sometghing it generated a while ago 15:12:21 ink : many artist prefer that 15:12:27 ink: you know final scratch ? 15:12:36 the sounds it uses sucksd because it's just a primitave wave with an amp env 15:12:46 ink : it is a live music programm that is on abootable cd 15:12:54 yea 15:12:58 I was ponderiung doing that 15:13:02 well 15:13:05 in that case 15:13:08 i would be with you 15:13:09 --- join: _avlovskii (~tim@modem-989.articuno.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 15:13:10 maybe I will burnm an ISO of the linux with the synth 15:13:16 since i love musix 15:13:16 but then you could not store stuff on the HD 15:13:22 unless it made a FAT file..... 15:13:38 cooler would be having it on diskette :P 15:13:55 having the whole cd as evilish place for amples 15:14:02 but what I would like to do is have a standalone computer thing where you plug in the audio and the MIDI (and vga and eth and all that other crap if you are using it, too) 15:14:03 samples 15:14:06 and just use it 15:14:21 well, my synth is not sample based 15:14:24 tho it will use them 15:14:32 hrm 15:14:35 ink : hrm 15:14:39 I hope to have it able to play SoundFont files too 15:14:46 I will have a sample-based oscillator module 15:14:50 ink : why not connect it to a small OS-project then ? 15:14:55 well 15:15:00 linux has everything I need 15:15:06 and it's possible to strip it down 15:15:07 ok 15:15:10 to make it small and fast 15:15:21 what about response times? 15:15:29 also, because dont you think it would be cool to have a peice of music hardware that uses linux? ;] 15:15:40 well, what you mean 15:15:46 I want iot so you can plug ion a keyboard 15:15:47 press a key 15:15:50 reponse times to audio hardware 15:15:51 and it plays a note 15:15:59 * ink wants realtime 15:16:07 linux is usually not THAT superfast 15:16:10 related to that 15:16:15 anyone has idea where to get sony usb driver (not installation app but actual files)? 15:16:23 heh 15:17:27 ink : how do you want to controll everythign ,?via midi 15:17:35 midi is very extensive 15:17:41 you ever read the midi doc? 15:17:45 ja 15:17:50 parts of it 15:17:50 theres a lot of stuff there 15:17:53 yeah 15:17:58 and anythingh else will be done by the computer interfgace 15:18:00 or over eth0 15:18:19 but MIDI was designed for EXACTLY what I want to do 15:18:48 hrm 15:18:56 you will entirely use sdl? 15:19:05 probably 15:19:07 for sound I/O 15:19:09 hrm 15:19:12 you know ... 15:19:13 and video 15:19:15 and timing 15:19:18 i R teh suq @ c 15:19:23 hehehe 15:19:34 lynx: that mp3 was composed by a program I wrote 15:19:44 i have no cable to my stereo :/ 15:19:48 D= 15:19:50 get one 15:19:51 $2 15:19:52 =P 15:19:59 ink : how much code is written? 15:20:08 well 15:20:12 url ? 15:20:16 I have lots of code from my experimental phase 15:20:26 you see 15:20:30 --- join: eks_ (~eks@h24-82-197-140.wp.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 15:20:33 I have spent lots of time fucking around with audio code 15:20:40 hrm 15:20:43 ok 15:20:48 --- quit: eks (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: eks_!~eks@h24-82-197-140.wp.shawcable.net))) 15:20:48 and I am now writing a synyth to combine it all in a sane way 15:20:53 --- nick: eks_ -> eks 15:20:54 ink : is there a certain project site and stuff ? 15:20:58 not as of yet 15:21:01 well 15:21:02 hrm 15:21:04 ink: i bet it takes a helluva long time :) 15:21:09 you need a sucky helping hand ? 15:21:12 it's still in the beginning phases 15:21:18 Rico: eehhh, you'd be suprised 15:21:29 lynx: more pppeople is always better ;] 15:21:30 actually, not really 15:21:34 heh, truwe 15:21:39 ink : in what direction do you want to go ? live stuff ? like reaktor or ?? 15:21:41 but in my case, it can't really hurt 15:21:57 lynx: I want to make an audio tool that could be used by anyone 15:22:00 --- quit: pavlovskii (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) 15:22:01 it needs to do livce stuff 15:22:07 --- nick: _avlovskii -> pavlovskii 15:22:11 and I will most definately make it programmable 15:22:17 and 15:22:17 ink : patern like ? 15:22:26 for the program part, yeah 15:22:32 hrm 15:22:34 but I also want music gen AI 15:22:47 so like, you set a few parameters and it acts as a drummer 15:22:47 that would be cool 15:22:52 or plays basslines if you give it chords 15:22:56 I have code for that stuff 15:22:59 that appears to work ok 15:23:05 but I need to work on it more ;] 15:23:07 ink is the music coder :) 15:23:15 yeah 15:23:20 ink : and then we make an electronic band with our own software >:) 15:23:27 heh 15:23:28 I've never done any sound programming. 15:23:28 it would be cool if maybe I could get a job at some synth place later in life ;] 15:23:32 lynx: hjeh 15:23:36 well, if you listen to that mp3 15:23:42 * eks gives lynx his DailyDoseOfLove(tm) 15:23:48 thats like 2 lines added togethre 15:23:52 * lynx HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY :)) 15:23:53 hey eks :)) 15:23:54 I think one had an echo on it.... 15:23:56 hey lynx 15:23:59 hey, anyone know SQL here? 15:24:04 * eks waves to rob_ert 15:24:05 but the soudns are really shitty 15:24:06 pavlovskii: ja 15:24:13 because I needed it to generate it in a certain way... 15:24:16 pavlovskii: yes 15:24:20 ink : what will i learn if i helped you and what do i have to know? 15:24:36 eks : supolopolansk ? 15:24:38 lynx: no clue ;] 15:24:40 eks, air: I'm trying to create a table with 4 short text fields 15:24:42 lynx: you gotta know everything, and you'll get nothing ;) 15:24:44 help in any way you can =] 15:24:46 MySQL is giving me an error on CREATE TABLE `doc` (`name` TINYTEXT(16) NOT NULL, `title` TINYTEXT(256) NOT NULL, `up` TINYTEXT(16) NOT NULL, `file` TINYTEXT(128) NOT NULL, UNIQUE (`name`)) 15:24:56 it says "error near somewhere in all that crap" 15:24:56 ink : i can code asm :P 15:24:59 oooh 15:25:03 heh 15:25:06 * ink does some ASM too 15:25:09 any clues? 15:25:56 pavlovskii: CREATE TABLE doc (name VARCHAR(16) NOT NULL UNIQUE PRIMARY KEY, title VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL, up VARCHAR(16) NOT NULL, file VARCHAR(128) NOT NULL); 15:26:10 ok, what does TINYTEXT and TEXT and etc. do? 15:26:26 not sure about tinytext, but varchar vs char vs text is the following: 15:26:43 char: reserve a space of the size indicated and space pad the non-used chars 15:26:44 just use phpmyadmin, pavlovskii :) 15:26:45 ink : hrm 15:26:59 mur: that's what I'm doing, but the error messages are pretty cryptic 15:27:00 varchar: reserve a space of up to the amount indicated and store the amount of chars used in the first byte 15:27:11 ink : cannot listen to it :/ 15:27:14 =[ 15:27:22 text: more than 255 characters of text, size indicated by the first word/dword 15:27:30 yay 15:27:36 eks: thanks, it's created the table now :) 15:27:40 pavlovskii had the same thingy 15:27:40 pavlovskii: np 15:27:45 my friend is buying a quarter and were all going to this other guys house tonight 15:27:47 what was pb? 15:27:54 =D 15:27:57 mur: most likely all those ` ;) 15:28:05 ink : amerikanski ? 15:28:05 mur: the ' is valid, but I'm not sure about ` 15:28:08 eks: Hello :) 15:28:09 no better way to get weird sounds than to do mad drugs and fuck with a synth ;] 15:28:13 * eks waves to rob_ert 15:28:20 * rob_ert waves back 15:28:27 ink : well i will help you 15:28:27 ink: you're sick ;) 15:28:31 * pavlovskii sine waves to eks 15:28:33 hehehehehe 15:28:43 ink : i think i will enjoy that work if i understnad how and where to help 15:28:46 ah, the famous words of soembody whose never smoked pot =P 15:28:52 ink : and if i learned c :P 15:28:52 * eks sawtooth encode a square wave to pavlovskii 15:28:57 lynx: heh 15:29:09 eks: wow! /\/\/\/\/\/ 15:29:14 well, maybe you would be able to help in getting the software thing into a decent hardware thing 15:29:18 * pavlovskii couldn't do an ASCII square wave 15:29:26 eheh 15:29:27 ink : heh 15:29:43 ink : i am not good at hardware ... but i would like to do all the lowlevel stuff ... 15:29:45 sawtooth looks more like /|/|/| or |\|\|\... 15:30:01 you're right, mine was triangular 15:30:02 ink : we would have to support many usb midi interfaces ... etc ... 15:30:05 ja 15:30:24 yea 15:30:26 well 15:30:31 ink : i would like to write some filters ... maybe helping with the big parts ... i dunno ... i want to do evil cliqhop 15:30:34 I think lniux drivers can handle midi... 15:30:36 heh 15:30:41 oooooh 15:30:48 you know digital filter design? 15:30:49 ink : i would like to have some beatanalyzer that syncs to my turntables 15:30:53 ink : hell no 15:31:12 heh 15:31:26 ink: I know a little DSP 15:31:27 I invented my own filter algorithm that I have still not yet seen anywhere online 15:31:31 I should write a page 15:31:46 I need to finjish my FIR/IIR stuff 15:32:00 ink : i would like to hrm ... use the beats on my vinyl to do midistuff perfectly snyced and do all that with the ability to loop effect channels through 15:32:05 --- quit: Javanx ("I don't feel a thing, and i stopped remembering. The days are just like moments tourned to hours") 15:32:11 because, whilemy filter is cool and yeilds neat sounds, I have no way of calculating cutoff points, etc 15:32:21 ink : hrm ... and i would like to make realtime loops with midi/realsound interfaces 15:32:29 ooh 15:32:33 that would be neat 15:32:40 to use beat detection to control MIDI 15:32:47 ink : yeah >:) 15:32:53 that would be awesome for djs :) 15:32:57 like me ... muhahaha 15:32:58 ...if you could get the chords we could hook it up to the bassline generator I will have soon 15:33:03 or the virtual drummer =P 15:33:07 yeah 15:33:40 lynx: what state(country?) you live in? 15:33:48 germany 15:33:56 oooooh neat 15:34:00 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.78) joined #osdev 15:34:05 no 15:34:12 well 15:34:21 heh 15:34:22 actually .. this beatsync would be great 15:34:36 only problem is beatsync would probably require FFT 15:34:41 wghich will much up the CPU 15:34:41 FFT ? 15:34:49 Fast Fourier Transform 15:34:53 what is that? 15:35:05 ink: beatsync = ? 15:35:15 it takes time domain stuff (waveforms) and converts it to frequency domain (those little bars on the graphic EQ in xmms) ;] 15:35:24 pavlovskii : use an ecternal soundsignal to sync other signals internally 15:35:32 hmm 15:35:33 pavlovskii: so the computer can tell where each beat is by analyuzing the data stream 15:35:37 ink : i am not sure ... 15:35:49 when you listen to music oyu can count 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 15:35:50 * pavlovskii thinks of Winamp's AVS beat detection 15:35:56 it takes much code to get your computer to do that 15:36:17 lynx: you see, a beat is usually detected by having lots of bass frequencys in short bursts 15:36:17 ink : hrm 15:36:21 at a common interval 15:36:24 BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM 15:36:26 yep 15:36:33 I'm sure youev heard that in whetevr you dj ;] 15:36:42 heh, lol 15:36:45 well , yes 15:37:11 http://concord.org/resources/video/ttcapture.html <- looks familiar, whose room is that!? 15:37:15 ink: why not apply a really crappy low-pass filter and look at that? 15:37:32 ink : if you just look at a certain freq range ... 15:37:42 ink : how can that be that cpu intensive ? 15:38:20 lynx: lots of complex multiplies 15:38:34 pavlovskii : wussat? 15:38:40 i am no genious in maths either 15:38:47 i R teh suq @ math 15:39:09 pavlovskii: good idea 15:39:16 well 15:39:18 lynx: you remember the long discussion in here on complex numbers a while ago? 15:39:25 imaginary number = i (or j) 15:39:28 pavlovskii : partially 15:39:31 FIR and IIR look like they are not very CPU hoggish 15:39:40 and my filter takes almost no CPU (I love my algorithm) 15:39:45 real number = -1, 3.5, pi, a zillion 15:39:54 complex number = real + imaginary 15:40:13 ink: what's your algorithm like? 15:40:20 well 15:40:25 okay 15:40:25 hmmm 15:40:27 how to explain 15:40:32 here's a simple FIR low-pass filter: out = (in[t] + in[t - 1]) / 2 15:40:32 :) 15:40:47 I thought of it when I was sittin through my electronics class, thinking of my synth, with a small pot buzz 15:40:53 that always gets me into creatiove thinking 15:41:03 I could send you some code 15:41:06 but it''s not commented 15:41:35 pavlovskii: dont you need to calc the filter coefficients for that? 15:41:41 tyawn 15:41:55 otherwose you cannot set the cutoff freq and stuff 15:42:16 ink: yes... I'm not sure what the cutoff frequency on that averaging thing is 15:42:32 anybody ever programmed in eiffel? 15:42:44 although b[0] = b[1] = 1, b[2..n] = 0 15:42:50 heh 15:43:02 Rico : I did 15:43:13 darkito: how do you experience it? 15:43:31 well 15:43:35 I have a variable 15:43:38 which is the output 15:43:48 and I take whatever the current input number is 15:44:02 divide it by whatever you set (this affects cutoff point) 15:44:09 and adds it to that number 15:44:14 subtracts if it's below 0 15:44:22 well 15:44:30 always uses the '+' operation 15:44:40 that pretty much smothes the wave out 15:44:43 which is low pass 15:44:50 but I have a few more parameters added on 15:44:58 I'm not sure what you mean 15:45:02 because if you do just that, you get a sinewave thing 15:45:03 could you write an expression for it? 15:45:05 Rico : I learnt it in University... 15:45:08 so I added anti-res 15:45:16 hej...anyone know what happened to blender? 15:45:16 pavlovskii: yeah, I plan to 15:45:23 I really need to make a page about my filter 15:45:24 #blender is _dead_ 15:45:48 darkito: do you like it? 15:45:50 ink: what number do you divide? and to what do you add the result of the division? 15:46:26 there's not much to find on the net, but from what I have found it looks like a really interesting language 15:46:32 pavlovskii: I add it to the output 15:46:33 so 15:46:47 hmm, sounds like a low-order IIR filter then 15:46:52 sionce the output is an int (well, a double) that you add to and sub from 15:47:00 indigo : NIN went broke 15:47:02 it generates something that is fairly linear 15:47:05 NAN 15:47:06 hrm 15:47:13 output[t] = output[t - 1] + k*input[t] 15:47:15 hoever they were called 15:47:27 so there is never a really big gap between the last sample point and the current one 15:48:30 hmmmm 15:48:38 pavlovskii: can I send you a .wav sample? 15:48:42 of filtered static or smth 15:48:48 orrr 15:48:50 ink: pff, I could try 15:48:54 * pavlovskii will try Matlab 15:48:59 I could make a .tgz of samples I've generated 15:49:03 * file starts doing the choreography to an NSync song 15:49:04 or a efw of them, anyway 15:49:05 FEAR ME!!! 15:49:09 I don't make most of them into .wav 15:49:13 * pavlovskii ph33rs 15:49:24 I use .raw and play them with sox ;] 15:49:34 IRR Internal rate of return. 15:49:37 wrong function :) 15:51:54 ink : i ahve some nice ideas related to everything that would be useable for a live performance 15:52:00 ink : hrm.. 15:52:29 ink : how woll you design the programm ? 15:52:49 and when you go go go, I know 15:52:54 it never ends! 15:52:56 ink : use mainly plugins ? 15:53:22 file : why dont you try to dance like in mulin rouge ? 15:53:28 no 15:53:33 file : with a nice pink tutu ? 15:53:41 file : and a featherboa? 15:53:42 heh 15:53:58 lynx: well, you will be able to plug a monitor (or tv) for interface 15:54:01 since it uses a compuetr 15:54:18 ink : i mean programm wise 15:54:23 oh 15:54:27 well, I have a number of ideas for that 15:54:33 one is to program it using midi 15:54:39 or maybe you send it .mid files of patterns 15:54:40 uhm 15:54:54 lynx: yes, i knew that much, but then what? 15:54:55 hey ink 15:54:58 ot will (later) probably be able to read ReBirth fiules and stuff 15:54:59 * lynx would like a vocoder , too 15:55:00 what's up? 15:55:00 lynx: they didn't do anything more? 15:55:05 plus I have ideas of ways to do it myself 15:55:06 hey n_ 15:55:08 indigo : nope 15:55:27 lynx: so you mean they didn't not do anything more, so they did something? 15:55:28 ink: planning on buying new Suns on ebay?> 15:55:33 ink : you know there are HARDLY any cool apps for LIVE performances 15:55:36 n_ soubt it 15:55:41 ink : something you can use for sessions 15:55:49 cuz the only way to not do nothing is to do something 15:55:51 lynx: well, you will eb able to attack a MIDI keyboard 15:55:52 or midi controller 15:55:59 but it will probably be geared to the live performer 15:55:59 ink : it would liek revolunize the whole electronic stuff sector 15:56:03 heh 15:56:09 lynx: I can try =D 15:56:14 I have lots of neat ideas 15:56:17 * lynx , too 15:56:26 that were formed away from the general production community 15:56:37 so it will probably be differant in most ways thanm lost of the conventional stuff 15:56:51 yeah 15:57:43 heh, most of those are made with a few detuned oscillators and some filters 15:57:51 stc.wav and stss.wav are in stereo 15:57:56 heh the hardware project would be a computer with midiknobs and ports attached to it ... and high quality audio boards 15:58:01 some have other stuff 15:58:07 ink: hey, this filter I made is cool :) 15:58:08 lynx: yeah 15:58:14 but it would be much better than other stuff 15:58:17 because it will have eth0 15:58:23 and linux 15:58:24 I mean 15:58:27 ink : hrm 15:58:33 how many synths could you play snes emu's on? ;] 15:58:40 ink : heh 15:58:42 ink: output[t] = output[t-1] - input[t]*0.9 15:58:43 and I would have SMB work out of the box 15:58:52 ink : hrm ... 15:58:53 so you could copy wavs and other stuff back and forth from the synth 15:59:02 pavlovskii: thats a good idea 15:59:06 ink : you mean midi via tcp/ip ? like the beos app ? 15:59:17 lynx: I was thinking of that 15:59:21 the app was called "very long midi cable" :P 15:59:31 heh 15:59:47 pavlovskii: my filter can do some very neat things with resonance 16:00:01 ink : midi is just like 36.6K , right? 16:00:09 it comes close to feedback almost, but does'nt (unless you have antirez at zero with a very low division number) 16:00:18 lynx: uhmmm 16:00:28 the midi doc has a goods explination =] 16:00:31 ink: yep, sounds like an IIR filter 16:00:33 I had a really good page 16:00:36 very useful 16:00:37 but I need to find it again 16:00:37 --- part: HeavyJoost left #osdev 16:00:45 lost all myh bookm,arks 16:00:57 wjy? 16:01:13 have to turn in this laptop on wed. 16:01:19 I thought I had to turn it in easrlier 16:01:22 I use konquerer 16:01:29 and I was backing up /home/ink 16:01:38 I saws it was copying shitloads of cache files 16:01:41 so I delete .kde 16:01:45 problem solved 16:01:53 but no more konquerer files ;] 16:02:06 ink: I'll dcc you a picture of the input/output frequency response for that one 16:02:08 I was thinking I was oging to have to send the big .tgz but I was behind a firewall 16:02:11 and oculd not send ANYTHING 16:02:29 =] 16:02:34 well, I should probably go soon 16:02:38 ergh 16:02:41 what time is it 16:02:54 bah n/m 16:03:09 ink : if the app works i will come to usa with my equipment and we will make an evil session with alot of pot and synthsaction :P 16:03:24 --- nick: kergoth -> kergoth`gone 16:03:25 =D=D 16:03:51 yeah, well... of to my friends place 16:03:55 * ink hjopes it works out 16:07:11 ink: cool samples 16:07:53 =D 16:08:58 hey 16:08:58 all 16:09:09 i'll hack this that way win95 will support usb device 16:09:13 that it shoudl not 16:09:20 acutlyl win95 doesnt support usb much 16:09:24 but i'll haxor a bit 16:09:26 ;) 16:16:45 wow, I have a database now 16:20:51 --- nick: ink -> stitch 16:21:20 --- nick: stitch -> ink 16:21:30 * ink just poking fun at lilo & disney ;] 16:21:51 hrm 16:22:08 ink : why not put the stuff on sf ? 16:22:16 or gnu.org 16:22:19 lynx: I should 16:22:38 the current stuff for the final synth stuff is on CVS on my frien'd box 16:23:05 ink : would it wokr on my ibook if it will use sdl later? 16:23:06 --- quit: SLACKo (Remote closed the connection) 16:23:15 lynx: probably 16:23:19 I'm on an iBook right now =D 16:23:26 ink : the new one? 16:23:28 but I have to give it back to school on wed =[ 16:23:33 lynx: ya 16:23:39 ink : is it worth its price? 16:23:44 dunonj 16:23:47 mine is kinda broke 16:23:49 power cable suc 16:23:50 you love it ? 16:23:52 eth jack is breaking 16:24:01 cd drive c ompletely broken 16:24:07 the cd drives suck =[ 16:24:15 the trackp[ad is annoying 16:24:15 why? 16:24:19 it omves the mouse while yer typing 16:24:23 and only 1button 16:24:27 which bugs me 16:24:38 * ink , of course, put debian on it first thing 16:24:46 OSX bugs me too =] 16:24:51 hrm 16:29:24 ink : well, count me to the team 16:29:55 =D 16:29:59 counted =] 16:30:04 thanks :) 16:33:19 have you tried http://proxyed-www.dtig.de:81/whatswrong/ ? 16:33:24 little puzzle 16:34:36 snowman -> *<]8oO 16:34:53 bye 16:34:55 --- quit: darkito ("Disconnecting") 16:35:27 I don't have flash. 16:35:38 flash ish gai 16:35:42 fuuuuuuuuuuck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 16:35:53 fuhk? 16:36:04 * kupak got hartattack 16:36:23 kupak : that comes from all the shitcity.com crap 16:37:12 kupak funny :) 16:37:20 nite 16:37:20 it scared me. 16:37:20 i rememberd to shutdown speakers then 16:37:21 my parents are sleeping already :P 16:37:21 oh it had any sound? 16:37:32 good night sleep tight lynx or get larger bed 16:37:41 i have a large bed 16:37:44 --- quit: lynx ("Killed by BillGates (Windows Linux 98 -- jizz your pants!)") 16:39:47 --- join: jace48 (~a@203.199.68.194) joined #osdev 16:42:27 --- quit: ink ("bai") 16:42:33 --- join: kunphuzil_ (~kunphuzil@1Cust238.tnt11.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 16:42:41 heyllo 16:43:20 --- nick: kunphuzil_ -> kunphuzil 16:43:30 greenthings to you 16:44:02 I know i have asked this before but i never got a response 16:44:18 can i telnet into another machine that is sharing the same internet connection? 16:44:32 yes you can telnet yourself too:) 16:44:34 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@1Cust104.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 16:45:13 hey joor 16:45:40 oh cool, because i want to share a connection but also telnet into each other, how would i go about sharing a connection? 16:45:56 kunphuzil: which OS? 16:46:44 well one is MS-DOS and the other Linux, will this work? 16:47:02 which one has the connection? 16:47:18 either way, I don't know :) 16:47:20 Linux 16:47:26 then it should work 16:47:37 but I don't know Linux 16:47:46 would i just bye a splitter for my modem cable or something? 16:47:57 --- join: tirloni (gpt@neutron.tirloni.org) joined #osdev 16:48:01 network the two machines and have Linux do the dialling up 16:48:18 set up Network Address Translation (NAT) on the Linux machine and set the gateway on the DOS machine to the Linux box 16:48:49 do you know of any links? 16:48:49 to help me? 16:49:09 comp.os.linux.* 16:49:13 In google groups 16:49:36 kunphuzil: www.crc.org 16:49:37 ok 16:50:12 Are you going to use PPP over serial cable? 16:50:42 should i? 16:50:45 Well... 16:50:47 i am not really sure 16:50:54 If you can find DOS software for that... 16:51:23 Is it the Tandy you want Internt on? 16:51:27 rob_ert: is sharing a connection that hard? 16:51:35 Nope. 16:51:35 yeah i want internet on the Tandy 16:51:39 Checked my tutorial? 16:51:53 http://ostling.no-ip.com/ <--- check the articles section. 16:51:54 is it as simple as a modem splitter? 16:51:56 or is there more to it? 16:51:58 It's for Minix, but... :) 16:52:14 The Linux part should be pretty well covered there. 16:52:25 ok 16:54:02 null-modem cable? 16:57:06 Yes, a normal serial cable. 16:59:13 --- quit: mur ("MURR! end of file reached. continuing filling logs some other time.") 17:01:05 do you have to be networked to share a connection? 17:01:50 Yes, of course. 17:01:56 How else could you transfer the data? 17:02:22 if you were clever you could link the two with a serial cable 17:02:31 and use PPP on the Tandy to get into the Linux box 17:03:13 hmmm... 17:06:07 --- quit: I440r (No route to host) 17:06:10 Uh. 17:06:19 That's what I just said :) 17:06:32 [00:51] Are you going to use PPP over serial cable? 17:06:43 He's asking the same question in multiple channels, but doesn't seem to worry about the answers ;) 17:07:20 pavlovskii: I suggested it several days ago :) 17:07:25 Oh, well... 17:07:26 o 17:07:34 Not a big deal, I hope he gets it to work. 17:07:42 * pavlovskii nearly got his Palm to connect to the Internet via PPP and his w2k box 17:07:42 i had to leave and did't get get to see the answer 17:09:19 Nice, pavlovskii :) 17:09:38 But I don't really like computers without a keyboard.. :) 17:10:03 --- quit: jace48 () 17:10:54 hey, I rock! 17:10:58 http://mobius.sourceforge.net/documentation/ 17:11:05 combining a database and a huge pile of XML! 17:11:42 k, gn all 17:11:47 gn pavlovskii 17:12:10 --- part: pavlovskii left #osdev 17:12:13 EKS!@!@#$@#$%#%^&*$%^##$%%^&)&^&%e$%^&*()(&^%$^&*() 17:12:28 file: ? 17:12:36 just wanted to say hi 17:12:42 ah... 17:12:43 hi ;) 17:13:07 --- quit: kunphuzil (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:13:16 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@ppp353.ppp8.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 17:15:12 --- quit: ChillySpy (Client Quit) 17:16:50 hello :) 17:16:56 --- join: Protean-Son (Protean@ptd-24-198-97-147.maine.rr.com) joined #osdev 17:17:36 Does anybody know about overclocking mac hardware? 17:17:49 are you nuts? 17:18:04 I'm not trying. I'm just curious about it. 17:18:11 hehe 17:18:17 the mac already runs so beautifully 17:18:23 I'm interested in the powerpc, not the mac, really. 17:18:30 I don't know how else to get a good powerpc system. 17:18:31 uh huh 17:18:40 I'd like a mac... or PowerPC 17:18:58 Do you know if chrp systems have a bios? 17:19:07 I don't have that information. 17:19:08 * file pokes eks 17:19:17 eks: awaken and help Protean-Son, that's an order 17:19:35 I've seen a lot of information that says high end ibm chrp systems are among the fastest affordable systems. 17:19:45 Something about power4. 17:20:23 --- quit: I440r_ ("Reality Strikes Again") 17:20:23 file: I dunno much about PPC or even MAC in general... 17:20:45 Well is it dead? 17:20:51 bah 17:20:55 Do you know that much? Is writing software for it a black hole? 17:21:17 Protean-Son: the Power4 is only use on very high end servers... 17:21:26 Oh. 17:21:28 the chip is like 12" x 12" and is 4 procs on a single chip.. 17:21:43 you probably mean the G4 ? 17:21:50 No, I meant power 4. 17:21:56 I know about how apple renames their chips. 17:22:00 hrm.. 17:22:22 the only Power4 chip I know of is the one from IBM.. and it ain't cheap or affordable.. 17:22:27 apple uses the ppc750 right? 17:22:44 eks:compared to other computers it is 17:22:57 Its under $100k right? 17:23:24 yeah, I think it is 17:23:34 So an individual can own one 17:23:45 but cpu speed for cpu speed, the Itanium was faster at floating points than the Power4.. 17:23:51 Really? 17:23:54 yea 17:24:00 Do you know about the x86-64 architecture? 17:24:11 I've heard itanium sucked and it was going to catch on. 17:24:17 the Itanium is the fastest chip ever built for floating points calc in a all-purpose cpu.. 17:24:30 Itanium sucks badly at integers instructions 17:24:35 Oh. 17:25:12 Do you know if macs have 64bit integer registers? 17:25:20 I'm pretty sure they don't. 17:25:25 I'd guess so, but not sure about it 17:25:45 --- quit: XeF4 ("pois") 17:26:56 petit 17:27:03 to bed I go 17:27:24 sleeping you will. 17:27:28 be* 17:27:46 * file disappears 17:27:46 Night. 17:29:02 You know how they have standards like pc98 and stuff...what're we up to now? and is there maybe a website with recent intel info 17:29:15 I used to go to sandpile.org and the intel secrets page but those are outdated 17:30:07 --- join: puppy (puppy@roc-66-67-55-246.rochester.rr.com) joined #osdev 17:30:25 heya 17:32:52 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@ppp353.ppp8.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 17:35:21 --- quit: ChillySpy (Client Quit) 17:36:43 bye 17:36:45 --- quit: kupak () 17:45:38 * indigo is working on tauga! 17:45:51 you are the perfect drug, the perfect drug! 17:46:00 indigo: send me a screenshot of your desktop while working on tauga 17:46:06 k... 17:47:13 --- quit: puppy () 17:48:11 hrm... 17:48:17 well...hremmm 17:50:09 #@*!)(#*!(@) 17:50:13 * indigo curses slash 17:50:45 --- join: puppy (puppy@roc-66-67-55-246.rochester.rr.com) joined #osdev 17:51:07 send send! 17:51:10 wb, puppy 17:51:12 re puppy 17:51:26 n_ who are u 17:51:35 <--- air 17:52:01 *(!#{@*() 17:52:24 indigo wtf 17:52:39 indigo u have ur own server for a shell-hosting 17:52:40 indigo: send a screenshot 17:52:54 i'm working on it 17:53:02 use 'import' 17:53:06 apache is being stupid 17:53:19 indigo@l33tbox:~$ import -window root -file blah.jpg (i think) 17:57:22 there 17:57:25 http://indigo.xgs.dhs.org/taugadesktop.png 17:57:37 well, taking the screenshot wasn't a problem; getting it on the web was 17:57:46 arg 17:57:50 you are another Ion fanatic 17:57:52 ;( 17:57:58 ja :P 17:58:04 ion 0wnz 17:58:09 that's just 1 of 3 desktops 17:58:23 the seccond has a shipload of aterms, and the third runs mozilla 17:58:36 --- join: witten (~witten@fire2.LINUX.UCLA.EDU) joined #osdev 17:58:37 .. 17:58:37 which is kinda confusing, because now it has a screenshot of the first :) 17:58:46 what ver. of linux do you run? 17:58:54 i take it back...it has only 4 terminals 17:58:56 and xmms 18:00:24 what are the specs on your main linux machine? 18:00:42 hrm that was a nice screen shot indigo 18:01:51 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81516.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 18:02:02 thx : 18:02:03 :P 18:02:19 indigo: hrm... somehow I'm not impressed by that screenshot :P 18:02:37 hello!@ 18:02:40 eks: it's a lot like yours, heh 18:02:55 I am in the position to drop a wad of cash on a book, and I want to learn about video compression 18:03:15 could somebody recommend a text that is not horribly easy, yet will not make my mind explode with mathematics? 18:03:16 t-bird 1400, 256MiB DDR ram, 10GiB 10000rpm udma100 HD, 250W sound system, happy hacking keyboard, miniture and way cool optical mouse, and an old monitor 18:03:26 eks: why not? :P 18:03:39 indigo: vim abuse ;) 18:03:43 pff 18:03:46 almost no ion power 18:03:51 vim ownz 18:03:53 ja 18:03:59 gvim actually 18:04:00 but you underpowered ion :P 18:04:05 http://us.imdb.com/Title?0265349 18:04:06 good one 18:04:18 you should see the one with the aterms eks :) 18:04:42 i like having all my files in the same vim so i can run commands on them all 18:04:44 indigo: transparent aterms, nice gb pic and all? :P 18:04:50 heh 18:04:52 nah, not in ion 18:04:54 gb->bg 18:04:59 btw 18:05:02 xemacs > vim 18:05:09 ion puts up a black bg, so transparent aterms with a bg are kinda funny 18:05:19 n_: we won't start a holy war, but I disagree 18:05:24 i wish gvim had transparent bgs :P 18:05:34 * indigo shoots n_ 18:05:36 there 18:05:38 i wish X supported real transparency 18:05:38 indigo: ion doesn't put a black bg.. 18:05:38 problem solved :) 18:05:42 not fake transparency 18:05:44 that's so lame 18:05:49 they should do real alpha blending 18:05:57 eks: i could never get it to work without twiddling 18:06:02 indigo: create a aterm and kill it or any other kind of window and the root window image is displayed... 18:06:14 eks: ja, but when you start, it's black 18:06:22 n_: maybe you should use PicoGUI then :P 18:06:29 indigo: actually.. gray ;) 18:06:39 so you have to do something like open and close the aterms 18:06:49 eks: not when ion starts 18:06:54 indigo: nah, got all that automatically done for me :) 18:07:19 i reboot so rarely i never bothered writting an xsession :) 18:07:40 hehe, my main workstation is closed every night... too noisy, I couldn't sleep 18:07:43 my uptime is only 7 hours now though :( 18:07:50 hm.. 18:07:58 i find i'm soothed by the noise 18:08:02 haha 18:08:08 my alpha that I use as firewall/nat is constantly running though 18:08:08 eks: sleep in a different room :) 18:08:30 n_: yeah well... when you have the size of apt I have, you find the rooms pretty close to one another ;) 18:08:47 and it's a damn old building, so there's no sound isolation whatsoever 18:09:24 that reminds me... 18:09:28 time to apt-get dist-upgrade 18:09:46 hrm.. that reminds me, time to 'emerge sync' ;) 18:09:58 er 18:10:01 eks runs gentoo now? 18:10:06 i thought.... debian.... 18:10:13 * indigo was looking at gentoo today 18:10:15 n_: I run debian and gentoo and openbsd... 18:10:21 how is gentoo? 18:10:22 indigo: gentoo is damn nice 18:10:31 the package manage is as sweet as apt 18:10:31 hmm... 18:10:33 mmm, gentoo 18:10:35 wow 18:10:38 manage->manager 18:10:42 i might have to try it someday 18:10:47 yeah, you should :) 18:10:48 right now i don't have the time to convert 18:10:55 maybe i'll put it on an old box 18:11:01 does it have ion? :P 18:11:02 the installation when you do a full build is quite honerous.. 18:11:11 (even more if you build X too...) 18:11:18 honerous? 18:11:22 takes a long time 18:11:22 hehe 18:11:27 is that eksspeak? 18:11:30 is "honerous" a real word? 18:11:31 :) 18:11:35 man.. learn your english please.. 18:11:37 horendous? 18:11:46 horendus... 18:11:48 gah 18:12:10 sound it out :) 18:12:18 hrm.. 18:12:18 no h 18:12:20 onerous 18:12:24 ? 18:12:36 1 : involving, imposing, or constituting a burden : TROUBLESOME 18:12:41 * eks points to http://m-w.com 18:13:01 hmm 18:13:06 never herd that 18:13:09 onerous, ok, i heard of that one 18:13:13 * indigo finds a good french word for eks 18:13:16 vaguely remember that 18:13:21 indigo: lol 18:13:24 wait... 18:13:35 french is such a limited language, eks probally knows all the words :P 18:13:58 ahahahah 18:14:02 far from knowing them all 18:14:19 but I do tend to explore some remote confines of it 18:17:06 who is puppy? 18:17:09 do i know him? 18:17:26 yea 18:17:36 gah 18:17:38 not you 18:17:46 eks: who is puppy? 18:18:05 * puppy says eks WHO doesnt know me 18:18:38 indigo: puppy is an annoying individual who used to hang in #uuu until we banned him ;) 18:18:46 ahhh.... 18:19:05 he's not some stupid german that changed his nick or something like that? 18:19:05 but maybe I'm just mistaking the person for another... who knows ;) 18:19:12 im in that channel not how am i banned 18:19:27 indigo: dunno, I came to not really trust germans too much, they have a sick taste for jokes 18:19:35 heheh 18:19:37 :p 18:19:41 yah, i've found 18:19:52 well, back to work 18:25:40 --- join: kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@1Cust89.tnt2.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 18:29:59 hmm 18:30:13 * indigo is going to have to do some real multithreading coding soon :/ 18:36:31 --- quit: kunphuzil (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:38:04 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@ppp353.ppp8.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 18:41:42 --- quit: ChillySpy (Client Quit) 18:42:35 hej... 18:42:41 anyone have a wireframe xgs demo around? 18:42:56 naw sorry 18:43:00 :/ 18:43:09 and if i did i wouldnt give it to u 18:43:11 heh jk 18:45:47 xgs? 18:45:54 unununium 3d demo i did 18:46:19 i found an old version, but it doesn't have the high resloution or the wireframe, which make it way cooler 18:46:48 wow 18:46:49 cool 18:46:53 you're a 3d coder?> 18:46:56 neat 18:46:59 ja... 18:47:04 does that mean you can write a 3d GUI? :) 18:47:11 i...suppose... 18:47:16 gn all 18:47:18 gn 18:47:45 --- nick: Zenton -> ZzZ_enton 18:49:30 indigo: can i help you with tauga? 18:49:37 i always wanted to work on an OS with a neat-o 3d gui :) 18:49:41 well 18:49:43 do i know you? 18:49:48 you look german too :P 18:50:11 i am lynx's half-brother 18:51:39 --- quit: Javanx ("I don't feel a thing, and i stopped remembering. The days are just like moments tourned to hours") 18:52:03 well, i suppose 18:52:08 tauga.sf.net 18:52:13 get the source 18:52:20 it's been a while since i commited my stuff 18:52:31 just be warned, it's not anywhere near having a gui 18:52:34 and i'm kinda mean 18:52:43 --- nick: indigo -> indigo_busy 18:53:20 mean? 18:53:49 yah, like nasty, anti-social, etc :) 18:53:52 anyway, i'm busy 18:54:26 (stay away from wossname, he's getting horny) 18:54:39 (shut up before i paint you black) 18:55:14 * oink (hides) 18:55:26 uh? 18:55:31 * n_ is reminded 18:55:38 * n_ puts on Rolling STones - Paint it Black 18:57:58 good night hackers 18:58:38 --- join: kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@1Cust126.tnt7.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 18:58:53 --- quit: wossname ("bloody well right.. yehahahioh.b") 18:59:02 --- join: Raptor-32 (~rick@stpras01-p60.mts.net) joined #osdev 19:00:26 --- join: yaou (~ya@adsl-160-61.37-151.net24.it) joined #osdev 19:01:25 Raptor-32 19:03:25 yo 19:04:43 yo 19:04:52 brb, nature calls 19:05:07 --- quit: witten ("bye") 19:08:52 bak 19:10:21 this QNX background is to die for. :) 19:13:16 --- quit: Protean-Son () 19:13:37 take a screenshot r32 19:14:50 oki ;) 19:23:36 --- quit: tirloni ("Apples have meant trouble since eden.") 19:26:20 --- quit: yaou () 19:27:08 --- quit: ZzZ_enton (Remote closed the connection) 19:29:02 my god 19:29:08 i have lost my mind! 19:29:24 say i want to print '!' in the upper left in white-on black 19:29:25 i do 19:29:33 mov ax, ??? 19:29:40 mov [0xb8000], ax 19:29:48 you gotta help me! 19:30:03 i thought it was '!'+0x700 ... but it's not working! 19:30:13 oh my god! 19:30:16 you are shitting me right? 19:30:20 no! 19:30:25 i'm dying! 19:30:28 help me! 19:30:33 "!" + 0x0700 19:30:40 that's what i had... 19:30:48 huh 19:31:14 mov eax, "!"+0x700 19:31:14 mov [0xb8000], ax 19:31:26 unless... 19:32:36 ah ha 19:32:37 got it 19:32:46 multiboot header was fscking me up 19:33:31 --- quit: slime ("nite") 19:33:37 seems like Tauga is going REAL nice. :P 19:35:39 5heheh 19:35:48 i haven'nt programed in months :) 19:36:26 :P 19:36:36 beya raptor what new 19:36:47 ?? 19:36:55 whats new Raptor-32 19:37:07 puppy : chatting it up with a friend on msn 19:37:29 MESSENGER 19:37:38 well, KMerlin to be precise. 19:38:29 Raptor-32 whats ur msn screen name 19:38:36 puppy : Rick ;) 19:38:45 rick_fillion@hotmail.com 19:44:34 * kunphuzil just made $10 for just changing someones boot settings so they could re-install their OS 19:44:57 kunphuzil : i dont accept payment for small tasks such as those. :P 19:45:19 i said i wouldn't but they insisted 19:45:31 well then.. ;) 19:49:12 oh boy...this could get dirty..../me is arguing with digit via moderator mars. 19:49:27 mars? 19:49:28 digit? 19:49:37 digit and mars are 2 of my friends. 19:49:50 digit being my best friend, mars being someone i hang out with sometimes. 19:51:13 heh, yeah ;) 19:51:17 --- join: TJCoaster (~will@gso28-248-136.triad.rr.com) joined #osdev 19:51:19 sup guys 19:51:43 brb 19:51:46 i cant seem to boot my kernel from grub.. i thought GRUB took care of the pmode and etc 19:53:24 back 19:53:34 GRUB keeps bitching to me about executable format unsupported or something 19:55:23 --- quit: Raptor-32 ("BitchX has bite! (Just ask Mike Tyson!)") 19:57:18 --- join: gab_ (~prfalken@gaia.chx-labs.org) joined #osdev 19:57:28 --- quit: gab (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:57:55 can anyone help? =) 19:58:04 wit 19:58:19 ? 19:58:38 grub aint booting my kernel 19:58:41 GRUB keeps bitching to me about executable format unsupported or something 19:58:51 i thought GRUB took care of Pmode etc 19:58:51 hrm well 19:59:05 i dont know much about that sorry 19:59:30 did you make your own bootstrapper? 19:59:43 no i use windows 19:59:48 sorry 19:59:59 ah i see 20:00:13 you have your own OS? 20:00:14 :p 20:00:20 windows me 20:00:21 naw 20:00:27 why? u 20:00:34 --- join: Raptor-32 (~rick@stpras01-p114.mts.net) joined #osdev 20:00:36 --- join: darkito (darkito@62-37-200-227.dialup.uni2.es) joined #osdev 20:00:38 re 20:00:50 hi 20:01:25 oh 20:01:30 this is an OS development channel heh 20:01:41 ive compiled my own kernel, but cant boot it 20:02:41 so u have ur own server right 20:02:45 TJCoaster 20:03:00 puppy: uh.. what kind of server? 20:03:06 shell 20:03:12 putty 20:03:17 puppy: ssh for my own use only 20:03:29 can i get a shell access 20:03:30 ? 20:03:31 puppy: i use Gentoo Linux and Windows XP... Gentoo mostly, though 20:03:45 puppy: no, sorry.. it's exclusively for me... i don't trust outside people :P 20:03:53 :P 20:05:49 * puppy slaps TJCoaster around a bit with a large trout 20:05:52 * puppy slaps puppy around a bit with a large trout 20:06:08 ive decided my OS should be like QNX with BeOS characteristics 20:10:21 --- join: bitbucket (satchmo@55.chicago-02rh16rt.il.dial-access.att.net) joined #osdev 20:10:48 lmao 20:10:53 cant boot his OS but decides its going to be QNXlike... thats gold. 20:11:14 lol 20:13:28 --- join: fountainhead (~thin@h24-64-175-61.cg.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 20:15:25 Raptor-32: I've just begun on it. 20:15:30 Raptor-32: it has a long way to go 20:15:44 TJCoaster : aye, by the looks of it. 20:16:24 i really dont want a GUI 20:16:29 i just need a working shell 20:16:47 I'm hoping to adhere to the POSIX standards and get bash to compile on it 20:16:53 then port the rest of GNU tolls 20:16:54 *tool 20:16:55 s 20:17:03 i estimate it'll be half done before i finally go to college hehe 20:17:06 which is...years of work, you do know that right? 20:17:13 correct 20:17:22 hence the reason why i said its gonna be half done before i finally go to college 20:17:43 lol 20:17:47 --- nick: fountainhead -> futhin 20:17:50 how old are you? 20:17:55 16 20:18:00 hahaha 20:18:51 nothing funny with being 16 IMHO 20:19:21 n_: why laugh.. its good to start early and get background 20:20:20 damn! i can't get my floppy to umount!?!!?!?!?!? 20:21:56 ive got a problem worse than that lol 20:22:02 grub wont boot my kernel hm 20:22:28 kunphuzil : lol 20:22:56 http://www.apple.com/switch/ads/ 20:23:07 --- nick: indigo_busy -> indigo 20:23:08 i think i might just try to restart and see if that works 20:23:10 * indigo sighs 20:23:16 i think i might go to bed 20:23:31 * kunphuzil doesn't want to restart, he wants to go for a record :( 20:26:26 wow! 20:26:31 i have 3 of the most common used words! 20:27:19 irc stats sure are fun :) 20:27:25 well, time to sleep 20:27:28 --- nick: indigo -> indigo_zzz 20:27:28 gn 20:30:38 ugh!!!! 20:31:02 --- part: bitbucket left #osdev 20:32:50 well, i am going to restart [insert sigh here] 20:32:55 brb 20:33:02 --- part: kunphuzil left #osdev 20:35:32 anyone know how to boot a kernel from grub? 20:35:37 im not sure why mine isnt 20:45:46 * indigo_zzz does 20:46:01 but i'm sleeping, i think 20:47:03 --- join: kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@1Cust126.tnt7.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 20:47:06 if you are using elf, all you need to do is include a multiboot header with the magic, flags, and signature near the beginning of the file 20:47:19 all right! i just had to logout, now i still have my uptime record ;) 20:48:00 you can be sure the header is placed near the beginning by writing a custom ld script (info ld) and using the __attribute__ section gnucc extension 20:48:30 --- quit: futhin ("sleep") 20:48:43 if you'd like an example, take a look at the cvs on tauga.sf.net, interesting files are arch/i386/boot/kinit.cpp, include/tauga/multiboot.h 20:49:15 you can also find the ld script i use in arch/i386/boot/kernel.ldscript 20:49:38 and with that said, i'm going to sleep :) 20:49:44 * indigo_zzz closes his eyes 21:07:07 whoa.. k thanks 21:08:01 --- quit: rob_ert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:09:05 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 21:09:43 re 21:09:49 welcome back 21:09:52 rob_ert hey 21:09:56 whats new 21:10:13 rob_ert just got back from cutting my own hair what did i miss 21:11:32 cutting own hair cant be nice. 21:14:26 ehhe 21:14:38 Raptor-32 i did most of it and my sister did the back 21:14:47 looks good tho rick 21:15:22 * Raptor-32 rather leave it to someone who does it for a living 21:16:03 :p 21:16:12 well /me away for an hr 21:16:32 * puppy away for an hr 21:22:46 --- quit: kunphuzil (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:24:21 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:46:36 --- quit: TJCoaster ("Client Exiting") 21:54:12 --- part: puppy left #osdev 21:54:30 OMG!!!! 21:54:45 Enlightenment + Aqua theme == BEAUTIFUL!!! 21:55:22 er 21:55:25 didn't Apple sue them 21:55:26 ? 21:55:34 i could see that happening. 21:56:40 well, there are quite a few differences. 21:56:42 --- quit: eks ("enough perl for one night") 21:58:42 bye 21:59:29 send a screenshot raptor 21:59:35 gimme a sec 22:02:45 http://onee.yi.org/~rick/aqua_e.jpg 22:02:56 heh, account on eks-server :))) 22:03:05 eks-alpha-server ;) 22:03:37 hrm 22:03:46 if you think that's nice, imagine how nice it would be to use a real mac :)) 22:04:11 real macs cost more than what my alpha cost me, and dont have as much bragging rights 22:04:21 i dunno 22:04:29 an old alpha like that isn't much to brag about 22:04:38 it's basically a PC with a non-standard processor 22:04:41 *gasp!* 22:04:46 blasphemy! 22:04:53 i mean, you don't even have unique ram, video, etc 22:04:59 i have unique RAM 22:05:12 i have a terminal port on the back. 22:05:18 --- quit: darkito ("-><-") 22:05:22 i have removable drive bays 22:05:40 unique video isnt something to brag about. 22:05:52 so i put in an ATI Radeon. 22:06:01 i really don't think an old alpha that is slower than most Best Buy PCs is anything to brag about 22:06:18 i mean, linux on an alpha looks exactly like linux on an x86 22:06:20 i'd take this box over any x86 anyday. 22:06:35 with a mac, you get a unique OS you can't run anywhere else 22:06:53 i could run OSF/1, you cant run that anywheres else. 22:07:04 or Tru64, or.... 22:07:05 but you don't... 22:07:25 doesnt mean i wont. 22:07:43 and they're just vanilla UNIXes 22:07:47 there are very few chances that this box will be running linux the rest of its life. 22:07:47 nothing special about them 22:08:06 i've used tru64, it's really nothign much better than any other UNIX 22:08:19 remotely, and it doesn't even have any fancy X modifications, like SGI's IRIX 22:08:30 well, OSX, besides beauty isnt all that and a buckey of chicken wings 22:08:47 it is 22:08:54 it's very well integrated 22:09:07 everything is custom-built by apple 22:10:35 is the G4 even a true 64bit processor? 22:12:33 * ava slaps Raptor-32 around a bit with a large trout 22:14:00 n_ : can you even run thin clients with OSX? 22:16:30 uhh, G4 is 32bit 22:16:53 thats what ithought 22:17:05 i know it has 64bit registers, but i didnt think that it was 64bit 22:17:21 --- quit: yuriz (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:17:23 64bit registers? 22:17:39 air : yes, the registers contain 64bits. 22:17:45 what registers? 22:17:46 --- join: yuriz (~yuriz@rcr.teraflops.com) joined #osdev 22:17:54 on the CPU 22:18:00 the altivec registersare 128bit 22:18:10 the general use ones 22:18:19 are u sure? 22:18:32 so i was told by indigo 22:19:09 i dont think they are 22:21:39 --- join: dax_ (~you@u212-239-164-50.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 22:23:10 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@gc-nas-01-s96.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 22:24:26 this box needs more RAM. :( 22:24:39 hopefully by the end of the summer i'll have fixed that problem 22:29:45 the G5 will be 64bit 22:30:10 looks like it will be 32/64bit like the amd's processor 22:31:29 who cares if it's 64-bit? 22:31:41 lots of 32-bit processors have far better performance than many 32-bit procs 22:31:43 er 22:31:45 64-bit procs 22:32:27 n_ : you have contributed nothing good to the conversation. 22:32:50 it's the truth 22:32:53 your alpha is not "the shit" 22:33:05 i never said it was "the shit" 22:33:12 what i did say was that i loved this box. 22:33:18 which is the truth. 22:33:51 i know its not the most powerful thing around, i know that most PCs from 3years ago are faster than it, i know it all, and you taught me none of it. 22:34:07 (know it all about my box not being the best that is) 22:34:29 i mean, if it had STYLE, like an old SGI 22:34:32 that would be cool 22:34:39 but for its time, it was just a really fast RISC processor 22:34:44 now, it is not very fast 22:34:48 what else does it have going for it? 22:35:02 a clean internal design, but linux looks the same on top of it 22:35:07 umm, it has more going for it than and old SGI i'll tell ya that much 22:35:22 how? 22:35:32 i'd much rather have an old sgi than an old alpha 22:35:34 what can you use an old SGI box for? nothing, they are slow, nice graphics systems, but thats abou tit. 22:35:53 you can do nothing on the alpha that you can't do on a modern PC 22:36:12 and tell me what you can do with an old SGI that you cant with a modern PC? 22:36:18 with an SGI, you get a neat UNIX, and an attractive machine/attractive design 22:36:34 which you can do with a modern PC 22:36:35 you cna't run IRIX on PCs, and irix is not just another unix, it's a fairly attractive unix 22:36:46 attractiveness is the least of things. 22:36:56 with the alpha, all you get is the different processor 22:36:58 --- quit: dax (Connection timed out) 22:36:59 there's more to life than eye candy 22:37:08 thats so not true. 22:37:20 obviously you know little/nothing about the alphas. 22:38:19 how many desktop PCs have 64bit PCI slots? 22:38:37 who cares? do you use that bandwidth 64bit PCI offers you? 22:38:42 how many have removable harddrive trays that are hot swappable? 22:38:49 and also, the newer motherboards coming out are using 64bit pci 22:38:59 n_ : do you use the graphics card on the SGI? 22:39:11 uh 22:39:12 yes 22:39:16 every day you use it 22:39:39 i've only ever seen one PC mobo with 64bit PCI (that was destined to desktops), and it was the dual proc athlon. 22:39:44 moron 22:39:49 i mean, use it MUCH 22:40:00 like use it to its potential 22:40:06 tell me, how many pixar films do you render? 22:40:34 uh 22:40:47 the video hardware on an old sgi is not that powerful compared to modern gfx cards on PCs 22:40:57 oh, so its NOT that good. 22:41:02 huh, mine is. 22:41:05 strange huh? 22:41:22 you're using a PC video card 22:41:23 so if you admit its video card sucks, whats it got going for it now? 22:41:35 taht doesnt matter, we are talking about the box. 22:41:47 you are saying that my alpha box isnt as good as an SGI one. 22:48:09 my name is indigo, and i have a problem with OS development (and irc) 22:48:39 ?? 22:48:50 he emailed me 22:49:04 not sure what his problem is :) 22:49:09 lol 22:49:31 ask him next time he is here 22:50:17 --- join: trans (~trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 22:51:42 uh what? 22:51:47 indigo emailed you? 22:51:49 why would he do that? 22:51:55 he seems more clueful than you 22:52:12 --- quit: Raptor-32 ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 22:54:36 --- join: Raptor-32 (~rick@stpras01-p114.mts.net) joined #osdev 22:54:59 whad'i miss? 22:55:22 did u see our troll speak? 22:55:33 n_ == nothing? 22:55:36 ya 22:55:38 uh 22:55:44 air = troll 22:55:56 air : i even got to converse with him. 22:55:59 why else would he join this channel under a different nick (BeBoy)? 22:56:18 u change yer nick everyday 22:56:27 but you did it to confuse people 22:56:33 --- join: kunphuzil (~kunphuzil@1Cust209.tnt9.phoenix.az.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 22:56:53 now lets see if E can NOT crash this time while playing video.... 22:56:56 yes, u change yers so ppl will think yer some1 new and not the ass u really are 22:57:07 no 22:57:10 yes 22:57:17 can someone help me set up ppp in DOS? i get it too dial but it fails on the login 22:57:18 i assume everyone knows it's me 22:57:26 if i really wanted to be unknown, i'd change my hostname too, duh 22:57:34 kunphuzil : why would you want to do such an ungodly thing? 22:57:34 u do 22:57:38 no i don't 22:57:43 i'm always *.pa.comcast.net 22:57:45 kunphuzil: www.crc.org 22:58:21 Raptor-32: because the HD is write protected and all it has is DOS, and I want to get on the net with it 22:58:25 air: thanks 22:58:40 kunphuzil : poor guy. 22:59:07 kunphuzil : i once tried to get that Spider-named-browser to work on my 386,gave that up in a hurry. :P 22:59:16 so I am going to try to have to fit all this onto a 720k floppy 22:59:26 ouch. 22:59:37 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by queer") 22:59:51 Raptor-32: Arachne? 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