00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/02.08.14 00:05:11 --- nick: berk|home -> berkus 00:48:01 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@gstw-d9b89f11.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 00:48:25 hiyall 00:51:57 morning Mathis babe 00:52:05 babe?!?!?!?!?!? 00:52:13 darling? 00:52:38 tstststs 00:52:48 wie geht`s? 00:53:05 --- quit: stormbind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:53:07 normal, und selber? 00:53:19 wie immer 00:53:29 zwischen coffeinrausch und schlafmangel 00:53:31 --- join: stormbind (~stormbind@p50834DD8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 00:53:50 das os macht auch fortschritte? 00:53:52 was fürn Dingens? 00:53:54 ich meine deins? 00:54:02 jo 00:54:10 =) 00:54:15 * lynx goes back to coding 00:54:21 ich hab Überlegungen angestellt, ob das API MFC-ähnlich sein sollte 00:54:43 das von der GUI 00:55:00 hrm 00:55:05 beispiele? 00:55:18 ich meine, Borland C++Builder-Code sieht auch nich viel anders aus 00:55:52 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:55:55 habe noch nie was damit gemacht 00:56:01 nur gehört das MFC scheisse ist 00:56:45 ich könnte alles auch streng objekt-orientiert machen, das wäre aber zuviel Programmier-Aufwand für die Anwender-Programmierer 00:56:54 und obendrein würds langsamer werden 00:57:17 verstehe 00:57:24 wie ist MFC überhaupt?` 00:57:37 man nehme eine Application-Klasse 00:57:50 setzt dort ein paar Funktionen rein 00:58:07 und deklariert diese in einer MessageMap als Callback 00:58:53 wenn also jemand auf einen Knopf drückt, der die Message MSG__FILE__NEW auslöst, dann kann man eine entsprechende Unterroutine damit aufrufen, die in der eigenen Klasse definiert ist 00:59:13 DECLARE_MESSAGE_MAP(...) 00:59:31 ON_MESSAGE(MSG__FILE__NEW, MyClass::OnFileNew); 00:59:43 blahblahblah... 01:00:00 ah 01:00:05 das ist dann wie wxWindows 01:00:21 ja 01:00:23 verstehe 01:00:25 keine Ahnung, haste ne URL zu wxWindows? 01:00:33 wxwindows.org :P 01:00:56 mal schaun 01:01:20 was ist MDI ? 01:01:31 bei meinen Fenstern sind so ziemlich alle Komponenten per Magneten zusammengesetzt 01:01:39 Multiple Document Interface 01:01:51 wie z.B. Word, mIRC, ... 01:02:08 ein Programm-Fenster, mehrere Dokumente 01:02:34 im Gegensatz zum SDI, Single Document Interface, wie Editor, Notepad, ... 01:02:35 ah ok 01:03:33 verstehe =) 01:03:43 jo, also wxWindows scheint wirklich wie MFC zu sein 01:04:07 immer dieses blöde wx davor, tststs 01:04:36 dont wet your panties 01:04:43 es ist ganz angenehm 01:04:47 ich code gerade amit 01:04:50 damit 01:05:39 für dein OS? 01:06:31 nö 01:06:37 für meinen synth =) 01:06:46 die sonne scheint!!!! 01:07:02 nach wochenlangen regen =) 01:07:02 synth? 01:07:03 synthesizer 01:07:09 aso 01:07:10 :) 01:07:17 wo in Dt biste denn? 01:07:24 bad reichenhall 01:07:28 bayern 01:07:34 tiefstes bayern 01:07:35 :/ 01:07:42 hehe 01:07:44 die sind alle evil 01:07:50 jo 01:07:58 und du? 01:08:03 mein herzliches Beileid 01:08:11 ganz oben in Dt 01:08:14 MV 01:08:18 ah 01:08:26 ja, glaube das weiss ich schon irgendwoher 01:08:57 aber ich komm bald wieder nach Mainz zurück 01:09:50 =) 01:10:00 der letzte anime bei vox war auch crappy 01:10:06 silent mobius suckt 01:10:11 du meinst der am Montag? 01:10:15 ja 01:10:28 der war ja wohl voll trashig 01:10:38 fand ich auch 01:10:50 der am Samstag war schon besser 01:10:55 indeed 01:11:06 was kommt am nächsten samstag? 01:11:30 moment, ich schau mal 01:12:01 danke 01:12:10 Angel Sanctuary 01:12:28 oh 01:12:33 kannst du den aufnehmen? 01:12:36 und mir schicken :P ? 01:12:41 leider nich 01:12:57 hrm 01:13:05 muss mal schauen wo man den runterladen kann 01:13:57 ich würd gern Neon Genesis Evangelion haben... 01:14:37 ja 01:14:45 köntte ich besorgen 01:15:00 sind so 2.5 gigs oder so 01:15:18 da gibt es ja die serie und 2 filme 01:15:29 die komplette Serie + die Filme?!? 01:15:37 denke schon 01:15:46 hast du andere animes? 01:15:54 die gibs doch bei eBay auf DVDs 01:16:03 ich hab keinerlei Animes 01:17:38 ich hab dafür Star Trek TNG 01:17:45 hrm 01:17:46 erste Season auf DVD 01:17:49 oh 01:17:52 ist das gut? 01:17:55 jo 01:18:16 obwohl ich startreck eigentlich immer recht billig fand 01:18:47 die Klassik war ja auch billig 01:18:56 :P 01:19:51 was ist eigentlich dein Ziel mit deinem OS? 01:20:00 mein os??! 01:20:02 welches 01:20:07 ich habe kein_eigenes_ 01:20:12 ich arbeitete nur bei uuu mit 01:20:19 welches übrigens wieder akitv ist 01:20:36 uuu? 01:20:41 jo 01:20:43 Ununium Dingsda? 01:21:09 ja.. 01:21:17 unununium operating engine (tm) 01:21:28 was soll das denn überhaupt bedeuten? 01:21:46 un-un-un-ium... 01:21:51 111 01:21:55 es ist ein element 01:22:06 welches sehr instabil ist 01:22:08 :P 01:22:17 aha 01:22:20 lynx: did you sleep at all? 01:22:21 hat 111 electronen 01:22:31 bono : yup, 4 hours... =) 01:22:38 why so little? 01:22:40 bono : we have to talk about the app, seriously 01:22:48 und was soll das Ziel von uuu werden? 01:22:54 der Normalanwender? 01:22:58 bono : sleep wastes time, and i wasnt able to sleep any longer anyway 01:23:00 oder eher Freaks? 01:23:12 Mathis : letzteres 01:24:10 lynx: wieso immer nur für Freaks? 01:24:29 weil freaks protection und sowas brauchen 01:24:32 eerrr 01:24:35 normalanwender 01:24:58 wir coden für uns selbst... also haben wir es unseren eigenen idealen angepasst 01:25:09 kein Wunder, warum sich Linux nich so durchsetzt... 01:25:33 sollte eigentlich auch FreakOS genannt werden, laut Torwalds 01:25:59 lol 01:26:06 linux ist für idioten 01:26:12 wasimmer 01:26:22 da sind viel zu viele leute die keinen plan haben 01:26:32 na hier doch auch ;-) 01:26:35 die benutzen/programmieren für linux weil sie windows hassen 01:26:48 nicht weil sie es lieben 01:28:03 nunja, Windows ist dafür bekannt, eine Geisel der Menschen zu sein 01:28:04 hrm 01:28:18 hey 01:28:30 da gibt es auch netbsd freaks... 01:28:35 das mit derpotabilität ist ganz nett 01:28:42 jo 01:28:57 aber lieber zu allem inkompatibel sein, das bringt mehr GELD 01:29:32 aber ernsthaft zu behaupten sie brauchen IRIX bionary compatibility bloss damit man auf ner sgi box ein half-ass working, unstabiles os installiet, dann die irix libaries rüberzieht um letztendlich irix apps zu benutzen ist idiotisch 01:29:39 nun 01:29:49 kompatibilität bring auch viel geld ... 01:29:51 kommt drauf an 01:30:05 wenn man sich schon etabliert hat aber gleichrangig zur konkurrenz ist 01:30:13 also die mit ihrem VMS habens ja auch geschafft 01:30:28 und die sind wirklich absolut inkompatibel 01:30:43 hab hier ne VMS-CD rumliegen, die mein PC nichtmal lesen kann 01:30:50 VMS ? 01:30:50 unbekanntes Format... 01:30:52 hrm 01:30:53 jo 01:31:04 was war das genau? 01:31:16 irgendwoher kenn ich es 01:31:21 schon länger her 01:31:36 sys@system::shutdown.com 01:32:02 dir [000000...]*.* 01:32:23 uhrm 01:32:26 ?! 01:32:42 run my_node::[sys.system.exe]an_exe.exe 01:33:00 DEC OpenVMS 01:33:06 ahh 01:33:08 ok 01:33:16 ja.. irgendwas mit DEc habe ich verbunden 01:33:17 lol 01:34:43 Inkompatiblität wird da groß geschrieben 01:35:03 verstehe 01:35:15 das ist aber auch was anderes als ein netbsd/linux etc 01:35:29 gute nacht 01:35:35 jo 01:36:24 willste etwa schlafen gehen? 01:36:43 nein 01:36:46 ich dachte du? 01:36:49 wegen Zzzz 01:37:00 hä? 01:37:10 wo steht denn das? 01:44:06 oh 01:44:09 wie dumm 01:44:15 ich brauche wohl mehr schlaf lol 01:46:46 jo 01:50:05 wird euer UUU auch ne grafische Oberfläche haben? 01:50:13 oder nur Texteingabe? 01:59:35 --- quit: nbsp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:04:27 hrm 02:04:37 es wird textstuff im gfx mode haben 02:04:53 irgendwas verspultes =) 02:06:12 ahja... 02:06:22 jaja 02:06:23 hauptsache kryptische Tastatureingaben 02:06:25 hrm 02:06:30 >:) 02:06:43 Taste X zum Aktivieren der TZUIO-Kombination 02:06:57 so wie thinfoil linux oder wie das heisst 02:07:00 lol 02:07:00 dann eine der Tasten drücken in Kombination mit ASKFGCDX 02:07:08 ja :)) 02:07:31 dann erscheint aufm Bildschirm F325A53B86C52 02:07:38 dann kann man weiteres eingeben... 02:07:51 bedienerfreundlich... 02:08:32 am Ende kommt dann raus: 2 02:09:43 dazu braucht man Speicherschutz, Paging, Segmenting und USB-Treiber 02:10:02 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-202-3.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 02:10:07 --- join: nbsp (g@ip68-14-60-55.no.no.cox.net) joined #osdev 02:10:52 gibt es nicht 02:10:59 keinen speicherschutz 02:11:04 kein paging 02:11:07 kein segmenting 02:11:13 aber usb stack und so 02:11:25 ach, sollen die Zahlen und Buchstaben etwa ungeschützt aufm Bildschirm rumhangeln? 02:11:28 man könnte auch die soundblaster life als gpu benutzen 02:11:51 kein safersex mit integern :/ 02:13:16 gibt der Kernel auch so tolle Meldungen aus wie: IDT initialized, GDT initialized, IRQ controller initialized, blahblah ? 02:16:07 nein 02:16:13 der macht nen sexy hexdump 02:16:14 schade 02:16:30 wie wärs, wenn alles nur per 0 und 1 ausgegeben wird? 02:16:31 sowas ist für kinder 02:16:36 nah 02:16:42 verbrucht zuviel platz 02:17:00 dann gibs ein dickes Buch dazu, wo man dann nachlesen kann, was jede Kombination in Kombination mit jeder Kombination ergibt 02:17:07 wie haben meldungen wie "cell octane loaded" und dann kommen noch cellspezifische outputs 02:17:19 Mathis : sowas wäre dann lame 02:17:25 ich habe ne bessere idee 02:17:26 naaah... ;-) 02:17:34 es gibt dann nen hex-memory browser 02:17:37 was zT soll cell octane sein?!? 02:17:43 da kann man selber nach den flags suchen 02:17:55 cell ist einer unserer memorymanager 02:18:06 ahja, wie aussagekräftig... 02:18:15 wieso bin ich nicht vorher darauf gekommen... 02:18:24 wee 02:18:27 octane 02:18:28 ich meine 02:18:33 octane = memorymanager 02:18:39 wie haben noch anderes 02:18:56 aber für die lamerz bei uns wird natürlcih noch eine kurze beschriebung abgegeben 02:19:00 ausgegeben 02:19:08 und wie heisst dann der CPU-Manager? Pentane? hehe 02:19:20 "Octane MemoryManager v1.2" 02:19:38 man kanns echt mit Namensgebung übertreiben... 02:21:19 bah 02:21:20 sowas gibt es nicht 02:21:20 cpu manager = lame 02:21:20 alles was du sagst, ist Kommando in meiner Befehlszeile 02:23:24 naja, bin dann ma wech 02:23:30 --- quit: Mathis ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 02:25:49 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.39) joined #osdev 02:30:14 --- quit: bono ("leaving") 02:43:57 --- nick: gab[xfd] -> gab[gdb] 03:08:56 --- join: ava (~jk@4.47.169.191) joined #osdev 03:26:00 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:39:07 --- join: kemu (wtkt@144.37-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) joined #osdev 04:01:23 --- quit: nbsp ("bbl") 04:02:12 --- join: acme (acme@p5080917C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:11:10 --- quit: kemu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:13:40 --- quit: lynx ("Killed by gemini (Requested by panasync)") 04:13:46 --- join: honk (~lynx@pD9E63A04.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:14:49 --- join: aramius (~aramius@p5086934F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:43:40 --- join: eks (~eks@h24-82-197-140.wp.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 04:43:56 morning eks 04:44:08 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@gstw-d9b89f05.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 04:44:08 hello 04:44:18 heh 04:44:19 huh? honk? who's that? 04:44:33 oh.. lynx 04:44:37 it is the idiot who ircs as root 04:44:39 good morning darlin' 04:47:02 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-4.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 04:49:11 hmmm, great SkyOS, booting for about 5 minutes and hanging now... 04:49:28 >:) 04:54:10 really great OS 04:54:33 Yup. 04:54:48 written for a touch screen, but the buttons are so small that you can't even klick with the mouse on it 04:55:04 hehe time for Disney World! 04:55:16 --- nick: Spindle[sleepyTi -> Spindle[gonnaSpa 04:55:25 damn 04:55:29 you can't have long nicks 04:55:33 --- nick: Spindle[gonnaSpa -> Spindle[gone] 04:56:57 --- quit: Spindle[gone] () 04:58:53 lez c how the newer version works 05:03:16 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@gc-nas-01-s153.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 05:04:26 --- nick: gab[gdb] -> gab 05:11:13 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by deer") 05:12:54 Microsoft enjoyed more than $12 billion in total tax breaks over the past five years. Microsoft, in fact, actually paid no tax at all in 1999, despite $12.3 billion in reported U.S. profits. Microsoft's tax rate for the past two years was only 1.8 percent on $21.9 billion in pre-tax U.S. profits 05:12:59 hrm.. makes one wonder.. 05:14:06 next we have to pay tax to MS for using their products even if we dont 05:15:55 € 400 per month 05:17:12 eks, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer 05:17:27 eks, don't worry, it's not just microsoft 05:18:53 dont worry, we have to pay as soon as possible 05:20:22 maybe they'll let us rent their MS Windows 05:24:10 even if we dont use it... 05:37:22 yay 05:37:26 bye 05:54:03 --- join: Snidjer (~devon@office.isp-services.nl) joined #osdev 05:54:18 * Snidjer wants to learn swedish. 06:00:06 --- quit: Snidjer ("[BX] Time wasted: -7 millenia 3 centuries 7 decades 5 years 6 months") 06:09:34 --- join: Stalky (~cms@ool-4352c2ce.dyn.optonline.net) joined #osdev 06:09:51 'lo 06:10:05 moo 06:10:17 * file yawns 06:10:25 file: it's not here yet :P 06:10:30 --- join: amc_900 (staalspand@0x50c470e6.hrnxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #osdev 06:10:31 indigo: and it won't be 06:10:47 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:10:47 indigo: I could have sent Xpresspost USA, but that would have cost 3 times as much (or more) 06:10:56 --- part: amc_900 left #osdev 06:14:21 :( 06:16:09 indigo: you just had to have it sent on the worst day, when the Canadian Weather Service issues a "humidex advisory" for the extreme heat wave 06:18:54 heh 06:19:11 * file is going to have a shower now 06:19:20 but I'll leave this SSH window open and ignore all phone calls 06:19:29 considering everyone's gone, and I'm not expecting any 06:26:08 * eks calls file.. 06:26:50 --- quit: eks ("goin' to wok") 06:36:36 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust88.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 06:36:45 --- nick: berkus -> berk|home 06:37:21 * file returns 06:40:17 wtf 06:40:50 15:26 [OPN] -lilo(lilo@lilo.staff.freenode)- [Global Notice] Good afternoon to name is changed. We are now freenode! For more information, take a look at http://freenode.info/ or stop by the new staff channel. #freenode. Thanks! 06:41:34 rrrrrrrrrright 06:41:49 * file thwaps lilo 06:42:02 --- part: oink left #osdev 06:42:23 --- join: oink (~ziga@void.phear.org) joined #osdev 06:42:23 wtf 06:42:24 blah 06:42:27 it's empty 06:42:29 WHAT name got changed ? 06:42:34 I440r: OPENPROJECTS 06:42:40 THAT sucks 06:42:44 apparently we're now "Freenode" 06:42:51 open projects is a MUCH better name 06:43:04 life is life I suppose 06:46:41 eks? EKS 06:55:00 Hail freenode! 06:55:09 no :p 06:55:20 HAIL RICO!!! 06:55:24 definately no 06:55:28 :( 06:55:40 hail my dinner of chicken nuggets and fries! 06:55:53 OH YES! 06:56:01 yummy 06:57:22 * file offers Rico some 06:58:29 according to #freenode, they're only 3 to like and want to keep the new name 06:59:03 so we're going back to OPN? 06:59:05 thanks! 06:59:36 no ? 06:59:37 why making such a worry about an irc network? 06:59:42 make 06:59:47 sddfdffh 07:00:07 Rico: it has been the home of opensource projects for quite 5 years now 07:01:49 and this name doesn't focus on the main objective of the network, it sounds more like those other nets, Undernet, EFNet, IRCNet.. 07:03:30 just keep the ball running 07:17:08 --- quit: I440r () 07:18:07 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust88.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 07:18:20 --- quit: Stalky ("http://www.echosproject.org") 07:26:05 --- quit: Mathis ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 07:39:14 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 07:49:08 --- quit: file ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 07:50:20 --- join: file (joshnet@65.166.122.14) joined #osdev 07:56:50 hello everyone 07:57:03 hey EtherNet 07:57:22 EtherNet: I'm putting more songs on my laptop, what do you suggest? 07:57:35 file: ;))) 07:57:39 file: Pink Floyd - Run Like Hell 07:57:49 nah 07:57:56 mm.. 07:57:59 the GPL for OSS... no DMCA or MS-DOS today 07:57:59 what about Queen ? 07:58:12 nah 07:58:20 lol 07:58:23 * file dances 07:58:27 what kinda songs 07:58:43 mmm dunno 07:59:04 there aren't good music nowadays.. 07:59:55 :| 08:00:11 ".. turn it into honesty and promise me I'm gonna find you fake it .." 08:00:13 ;)))) 08:01:05 --- quit: honk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:02:09 I have read the lyric.. and now I understand everything on the fly... 08:02:12 I hate it!!! 08:02:45 lol 08:03:02 file: did you understand on the fly ? (without lyric) 08:03:39 I've never heard it LOL 08:03:44 --- quit: aramius ("Client Exiting") 08:03:49 Avril!! 08:04:03 have you heard it ? 08:04:05 I only heard Complicated, nothing more 08:04:23 yes! 08:04:23 that's the song 08:04:38 ic 08:04:50 oh now I understand your sentence 08:04:59 hehehe... 08:05:03 that's when she gets crazy ;P 08:05:07 some parts I understand 08:05:24 sure! same here. until I got the lyric 08:05:29 it opens your mind ;) 08:05:33 hehe 08:07:00 ".. I see the way you're acting like somebody else gets me frustrated .." 08:07:10 * file knew that part :p 08:07:19 ehehehehe 08:08:05 it's very bad.. I can't understand some things... and when I get the lyric, I just read it one time, and after it I understand all 08:08:05 I can't believe it!!! 08:08:23 hehe 08:09:02 * EtherNet is away: eating... 08:09:09 file: just 10 mins... 08:09:12 k 08:12:23 --- join: eks (~eks@24.70.176.227) joined #osdev 08:12:53 EtherNet: did you get my mesage last night, about the website? 08:15:11 EKS! 08:15:14 * Rico pets eks 08:15:19 hello :) 08:16:06 no djembe? 08:16:26 not atm, it's only 10am, but at 6pm tonight I have a show to give :) 08:17:19 yay 08:17:32 I woke up at 2pm :D 08:17:46 lol 08:17:51 that's.. late 08:21:05 * file mmm 08:24:45 yeah :\ 08:25:00 * file waits for his browser to bring up CNN.com but it doesn't 08:26:27 stupid tcpkit, always a bug 08:27:59 eks? I require your assistance 08:29:25 file ? 08:29:57 eks: how would I figure out if the beginning and end of a string was " 08:30:21 which language? 08:30:27 C 08:31:09 if( mystring[0] == '"' && mystring[strlen(mystring)-1] == '"' ) { printf("yip 08:31:13 "); } 08:31:24 thought so 08:31:33 you should have known that! 08:31:57 well I tried the '"' but it wasn't working 08:31:59 oh well 08:32:18 '""'''""'""'"''" <-- bar code of a tomato juice ;) 08:33:03 file: if it isn't working try '\"', but '"' should work 08:33:17 mmm 08:33:42 * oink wonders what's 'tcpkit' 08:34:28 oink: it's something that was made for ybikos, allows you to open TCP/IP sockets 08:34:30 er Cybikos 08:35:00 ehm 08:35:02 :) 08:36:49 mmm 08:36:53 this modified URL parser should work now 08:37:36 hm.. gcc doesn't enable trigraph by default 08:39:30 wow - I just crashed my Cybiko 08:52:15 --- join: aramius (~aramius@pD9589938.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 08:52:50 hey aramius 08:58:13 --- join: HeavyJoost (HeavyJoost@a213-84-139-110.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 09:02:10 --- nick: HeavyJoost -> HeavyJoost_away 09:07:01 is OPN, freenode now ? 09:07:03 that's horrible! 09:07:57 --- join: miro (~miro@pD9559CB4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 09:08:04 lil]/uptime 09:12:24 file: ' " ' 09:12:38 file: you can inroduce the char between " " 09:12:40 sorry 09:12:43 between ' ' 09:13:19 eks told me 09:13:38 file: okas, sorry 09:13:45 * file is soon going to the store 09:13:56 I'll take my laptop along... if I had wireless I might be able to stay online if I went lol 09:14:02 what do you want to do ? 09:14:16 * file wants to crack the password to this file that contains an MP3 09:14:30 do you have already the Wireless Equipment ? 09:14:37 no 09:14:46 that's the problem :( 09:15:20 :( hehe 09:16:30 you coud get 2 VHF/UHF transeceivers and make a "Manchester" card, you will be able to reache 57600 kbps 09:16:33 that's good to get data from Internet :P 09:16:50 then if you aren't at your house, you can use Internet ;P 09:17:02 and you don't need to use directional antennas... just omnidirectionals, verticals. 09:18:10 * file erms 09:18:27 --- quit: clog (^C) 09:18:27 --- log: stopped osdev/02.08.14 09:19:44 --- log: started osdev/02.08.14 09:19:44 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #osdev 09:19:44 --- topic: 'Operating System DEVelopment www.osdev.org || links: qzx.com/lib , onee.yi.org , kverka.org/~osdev || stats/people: bespin.org/~qz/irc || http://www.osjournal.hopto.org' 09:19:44 --- topic: set by air on [Thu Aug 01 22:14:06 2002] 09:19:44 --- names: list (clog miro HeavyJoost_away aramius eks file trans I440r oink acme ava Javanx stormbind ctkrohn indigo corsairk8 gab delphinus EtherNet lar1 chidezzzz air berk|home Zenton_ Robert +OS-Bot Rico) 09:26:28 back 09:39:21 --- join: pavlovskii (pavlovskii@modem-55.blotto.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 09:40:50 --- join: zephir (~zephir@hill-b-250.resnet.purdue.edu) joined #osdev 09:45:47 --- join: honk (~lynx@217.230.48.253) joined #osdev 09:49:57 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@gstw-d9b89f2f.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 09:50:07 heh all 09:57:06 hi y'all 10:00:12 --- join: ink (iBot@adsl-216-102-91-59.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 10:00:14 hey 10:03:01 hi y'all 10:11:45 --- quit: Mathis ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 10:34:26 hmpf 10:34:28 crappy formats :| 10:34:31 hey zephir 10:36:01 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:36:27 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #osdev 10:38:42 can someone shorter/beautify this for me: 10:38:50 61 g_print ("OK (%s%.2f%%)\n", percentage < 1. ? " " : "", percentage); 10:38:53 ? :) 10:39:07 the '%s' sucks.. 10:39:30 it should result to: 10:39:31 Uncompressing description.txt OK ( 0.00%) 10:39:31 Uncompressing pak4.pk3 OK (99.95%) 10:39:31 Uncompressing readme.txt OK ( 0.02%) 10:39:56 isn't there a way to set it to justify like that? 10:40:06 like 2.2f or something 10:40:19 * ink not certain 10:40:20 I already tried this, doesn't work :\ 10:40:25 I see 10:40:43 uh, wait 10:40:44 nevermind 10:40:49 hehehe 10:40:49 I forgot this was only test code :P 10:40:51 got it? 10:40:56 I don't care :))) 10:41:00 hehehe 10:41:22 thanks though :) 10:41:28 =] 10:42:58 aww.. 10:42:58 found 10:43:10 it wasn't '2' but '5' :_) 10:43:11 :) 10:43:55 kewl 10:45:54 ink: you can do %20s 10:46:01 ink: it will padd the string properly 10:46:19 20s? 10:46:26 whats the significance of each character? 10:46:45 the number before the s indicate how many characters should be printed 10:47:00 but this is for an int... 10:47:04 ergh, fl;oat 10:47:04 %20s means that it should be at least 20 chars wide, printf() will pad it with blanks if the string is smaller 10:47:17 thats neat, tho 10:47:21 eks: 10:47:21 oh, I thought you meant you wanted it formated/aligned like you gave above.. 10:47:28 56 g_print ("Uncompressing %-30s", current); 10:47:30 :) 10:47:30 thats was oink, actually ;] 10:47:38 oh :P 10:47:47 oink: -30? 10:47:48 * file waves to eks 10:47:51 '-' will pad to the left, 10:48:00 (instead of the default, which is right) 10:48:21 er 10:48:23 oink: :) 10:48:29 s/right/left/ s/left/right/ 10:48:30 :) 10:49:33 eks: djembe? 10:49:42 file: in 5.5 hours from now 10:49:48 bah 10:50:02 brb 10:50:10 why not now? 10:50:13 file: I give a show everynight this week ^^ 10:50:23 because I'm at work.. 10:50:25 eks: want the latest natalie imbruglia oggripped cd ? :) 10:50:26 eks: oh ic 10:50:39 oink: no thx 10:50:49 anyone else ? :) 10:51:01 well bbl 10:51:04 food :) 10:51:31 food is good 10:51:35 eks: what'cha doing? 10:52:21 oh bloody hell, a humidex advisory is in effect 10:52:26 HEAT WAVE! 10:53:46 oink oink :) 10:53:53 moo 10:53:54 hey 10:53:57 file 10:54:01 hello 10:54:28 oh my, a flood in Austria? 10:55:58 zephir: what's up? 10:56:42 give me a min, talking to my dad 10:57:35 k 11:00:53 arg 11:00:57 my ISP tried to disconnect me again 11:01:24 haha 11:02:22 --- quit: pavlovskii (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:03:32 so what's up? 11:05:39 nothing 11:05:44 today's going great 11:05:55 got a kickass haircut, bought me some college books, 11:06:01 got soaked in rain 11:06:02 :) 11:06:07 sweet 11:06:21 hows your day? 11:06:34 hot 11:06:36 ha 11:06:41 my hall is completely AC 11:06:47 with rooms with indi controls 11:06:50 really nice 11:06:58 bah 11:07:07 haha 11:07:31 also me installed fbsd last nite 11:07:41 long time since i have done that 11:07:42 back 11:07:44 zephir:) 11:07:45 oink! 11:07:47 :\ 11:07:51 hah 11:07:52 * oink doesn't have AC there 11:07:56 hehe 11:07:57 suxors 11:08:01 just two big fans and velux 11:08:18 http://www.housing.purdue.edu/Hillenbrand.htm 11:08:48 --- join: Ubel (~Ubel@62.145.133.49) joined #osdev 11:08:50 mpf:> 11:08:53 hehe 11:09:06 wait a minute..whats mpf? 11:09:11 hmpf :) 11:09:16 humpf :) 11:09:22 grr 11:09:29 * zephir no understand what say you! 11:09:57 * file crys 11:09:58 it's just an interjection :) 11:09:59 I can't win against this heat 11:10:13 denoting suprise, contempt .. :) 11:10:25 you should read more comics :P 11:10:35 file: take a shower 11:10:39 did that 11:10:43 haha 11:10:45 file: take another one 11:10:51 i took two today 11:10:56 same there :) 11:11:04 but i got a haircut, so theres a non-heat excuse 11:11:14 gonna take a look at the thermo.. brb 11:11:31 yay 11:11:33 31DEG :) 11:11:49 (in my room, in front of a fan) 11:12:02 it's so hot my deodorant is sweating 11:12:36 20:12 -Burrito:#gimp- Weather at Nantes, France (LFRS): No sky data, 82.4 F (28 C) degrees. Wind speed 9 mph (8 knots). Wind chill 80.5 F 11:12:39 (26.9 C) degrees. 45% relative humidity, 59 F (15 C) dew point. 11:12:51 that's not hot compared to here 11:13:56 file: it's usually at least, 5 DEG more than outside in my rooms (I'm living just down the roof, in some kind of attic) 11:14:02 geez 11:14:15 oink where are you from? calculating temp in C deg 11:14:22 zephir: France :) 11:14:25 ah 11:14:48 ah, c'est un monsieur 11:14:58 with all variables taken into place it's about 110+ farenheit 11:15:06 damn file 11:15:11 go get some eggs out 11:15:19 that's why there's a humidex advisory in effect 11:15:29 where are you from file 11:15:36 New Brunswick, Canada 11:15:42 geez its hot in canada? 11:15:46 hehe 11:15:58 VERY hot 11:16:08 --- join: Dawgy (dawg@ppp47.nfinity.com) joined #osdev 11:16:20 --- part: Dawgy left #osdev 11:16:33 hmm anyone interested in debugging my code ? hehe 11:17:05 j/k 11:17:08 :) 11:17:18 although it would be pretty amazing if someone did it 11:17:25 ok i am hungry 11:17:25 what code ? :) 11:17:28 no, too hot 11:17:29 oink: my os 11:17:38 :) 11:17:41 crix.tigris.org 11:18:19 i wrote a vm_page frame management code 11:18:23 and there's an error 11:18:29 i am hungry... 11:18:34 brb 11:18:34 eat then :) 11:18:38 * zephir visits the vending machiesn 11:24:26 hmm i think i gotta reboot into windows 11:24:35 my brother sent me ms flight sim 2k 11:24:43 2k2 11:24:46 later 11:24:49 --- quit: zephir ("Client Exiting") 11:37:54 --- join: Mikaku (mikaku@193-153-38-249.uc.nombres.ttd.es) joined #osdev 11:38:07 hi * 11:40:15 xD 11:41:00 Rob :P 11:41:25 Hey ho :) 11:42:55 --- quit: Javanx ("I don't feel a thing, and i stopped remembering. 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IE strikes again ;) 12:48:21 then, imo it'd be a reasonable price for that MS hunk'o'junk :) 12:48:22 hmm 12:48:27 --- join: smaffy (smaffy@d212-151-34-28.swipnet.se) joined #osdev 12:48:45 well i got it for free 12:48:52 so any amount i can sell it for would be nice 12:48:59 120 would be nice :) 12:48:59 ;) 12:49:14 that would basicly mean my smp system was for free :) 12:49:51 oh i see...like swapping shit for sugar :) 12:49:53 dax: that would also be called a rip-off 12:50:06 kerberos sucks major ass!!! 12:50:07 who cares 12:50:11 rip-off is fine 12:50:28 woohoo! kournikovas match on tv! :) 12:50:39 ooooh 12:50:42 top tennis :) 12:51:03 that's not live, what is live is that she is waiting for me in my bedroom :) 12:51:08 * frankie isn't sure if they're watching it for the top quality tennis...or something totally different ;)... 12:51:09 lol 12:51:27 if you want decent tennis you shouldn't watch kornikova 12:51:45 bah 12:51:47 she plays better than most other people 12:51:50 i wouldn't know 12:51:58 :) it just isn't cricket! 12:52:54 if i'ld sell the nt thinggy on ebay 12:53:00 what should i set the start price to? 12:54:15 i would not pay more than $50 dollars for it seriously... maybe if there was nothing better for sale for almost the same price 12:54:50 * HuntrCkr is just giving his opinion btw :) 12:55:06 yea which is mine too 12:55:09 i woudln't even buy it 12:55:17 but i don't mind ripping off people either 12:55:18 so... 12:55:36 hehe... $100 :D 12:56:05 no 12:56:12 sure some idiot will buy it, just like some idiot will pay $100 for my 2nd hand GEForce 12:56:15 that's a bit idiot for a start price 12:56:16 hmm 12:57:19 i could sell these scsi disks for $100 each i think :) 13:00:12 is anyone developing an os that is written in 100% asm here? 13:01:09 * frankie notices many people are disgusted at the thought of a complete asm os :) 13:01:32 * oink shrugs 13:01:35 hey frankie :) 13:01:54 ah, hello there oink! :) good to see you again 13:02:28 sup ? :) 13:03:04 trying to find someone who's developing a 100% asm OS...and failing ATM.. :( 13:03:13 :< 13:03:27 would a start price of 30 euro be decent ? 13:04:07 definitely 13:04:08 or 35 ? 13:04:17 hmm 13:06:21 anyone? 13:06:55 for all you guys that do actually visit forums, there is a nice looking new one that is OSDev related 13:06:57 http://netster403.l33t.ca/phpBB2 13:07:16 cheers HuntrCkr 13:07:20 empty at the moment, but that could be changed :) 13:08:20 dax: anything below 50 seems decent to me... ppl that are really looking for it will pay 50 euros for it 13:08:25 most os dev'ers seem to hang around megatokyo.com or flashdaddee though :( 13:09:34 megatokyo i know... flashdaddee i have never even seen... what's the URL? 13:10:15 http://flashdaddee.com/forums/index.php 13:11:09 or on alt.os.development 13:11:16 ah! :) 13:11:38 veeery nice 13:12:22 ...i mean...i mean..bad BAD! NASTY! everyone stop going there, it's evil! ergh! stay away! ;) 13:13:49 hmmm... flashdaddee does not seem very osdev related 13:14:10 it does have os dev stuff, i'm sure of it... 13:14:37 http://flashdaddee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=dc4ae2d94ed27a28e7453041db429940&forumid=20 13:14:38 rico: personally i hate newsgroups 13:14:46 that's a direct link to the os dev forum 13:15:00 HuntrCkr: why's that? 13:15:05 --- quit: Ubel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:15:07 --- join: kemu (fnubkbc@176.126-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #osdev 13:15:48 many ppl use them, but i have a tendency to like being able to access info without having to setup a news reader 13:16:09 i use them only when i can't find info anywhere else 13:16:16 i'm assuming you don't use IE/Mozilla/Netscape then 13:16:43 frankie: btw, that forum is for OS's in general, not OSDev 13:17:00 i use IE atm, but you still have to setup a news reader 13:17:11 HuntrCkr: yeah i know, but most of the stuff there is OS dev related 13:17:24 oh sorry..i meant Outlook/Outlook Express 13:17:31 --- join: lynx (~lynx@pD9E630FD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 13:17:38 hrm 13:17:47 hi lynx 13:17:53 hey =) 13:17:57 I'm looking for some articles on CPU and asm 13:19:06 which reminds me, i'm looking for some info on how paging works on pentiums, with the whole 64Gb addressable RAM story 13:19:10 right...i'll ask this again :) is anyone here co-ordinator of a 100% asm OS or a coder for one? 13:19:30 HuntrCkr: osjournal is making a webbased system to write to the newsgroup, reading is already possible 13:19:43 frankie: check out uuu 13:20:02 Rico: thanks :) 13:20:12 HuntrCkr: check the IA-32 manual, part 3 13:20:25 Rico: hmmm.... cool :) step in the right direction :) 13:20:31 and v2os 13:20:40 * HuntrCkr does not own a IA-32 manual 13:20:41 frankie ^ 13:20:48 HuntrCkr: download it 13:20:53 i'm on it, thanks :) 13:21:28 * HuntrCkr hates techical manuals... they're so technical ;) 13:21:45 Rico: Intel Developers site, right? 13:21:54 anyone knows a app that can save a whole webpage at once for win32 13:22:31 kemu: HTTrack Website Copier.... it's freeware too 13:22:43 just don't ask me the URL... i got it off Tucows 13:23:52 HuntrCkr: yes 13:31:08 --- quit: zephir (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 13:31:59 --- quit: kemu () 13:34:32 oh well... school tommorow... need some sleep 13:34:38 CYa Guys 13:34:47 --- nick: HuntrCkr -> HuntrCkr_ZzZz 13:34:48 c ya HuntrCkr 13:39:31 school? 13:39:33 whahaha!!! 13:39:35 --- quit: stormbind ("I'm too lame to make a quit message") 13:40:13 --- join: stormbind (~stormbind@p50834DD8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 13:41:13 good ol summer hols :) 13:41:25 I still have at least 4 1/2 years of school in front of me, then going in the army, and then make a carreer 13:41:43 so that makes you.. ? years old 13:42:01 dunno how long I will stay in the army 13:42:15 sir yes sir! 13:42:28 but I'll have a masters degree in computer science in 4 1/2 years 13:42:39 * frankie is green with envy 13:43:01 --- nick: chidezzzz -> chide 13:43:47 is just about everyone here going for computer science? 13:44:09 maybe 13:44:55 I can also stop school in 2 2/1 year and make a career, I'll be 21 then 13:45:02 2 1/2 13:45:07 and 22 even 13:45:22 but you're gonna do the full 4 1/2 years? 13:45:44 after bachelor I'm probably going for master 13:45:57 ordered some ram 13:46:59 yay 13:46:59 should have it my monday i gues 13:47:10 what store? dutch one? 13:47:17 crucial.co.uk 13:48:37 --- quit: miro (Connection timed out) 13:48:46 ram by monday 13:48:51 vid card the week after that 13:48:56 and nic somewhere next week 13:48:58 cool. 13:49:02 256k vga 13:49:04 :) 13:49:11 nah 13:49:15 gf2mx 13:49:21 snap! 13:49:26 --- quit: stormbind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:49:26 --- join: stormbind (~stormbind@p50834DD8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 13:49:27 for $25 13:49:34 and i'm selling some stuff 13:49:37 :/ 13:50:12 so that i can finish my smp rig and run daxos on it. 13:50:18 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc2-login10.megatrondata.com) joined #osdev 13:50:44 --- join: stormbind_ (~stormbind@p50834DD8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 13:51:32 --- quit: stormbind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:52:25 --- quit: aramius ("Client Exiting") 13:52:32 is crusial.co.uk an online store? 13:52:37 no 13:52:38 com 13:52:40 i mean 13:52:42 you know 13:52:43 duh 13:52:43 jerk! 13:53:41 off 13:54:11 --- part: tcn left #osdev 13:56:08 Jeepers Creepers, here I come!!! 13:56:26 Hoi, Rico! 13:56:55 Robert == rob_ert? 13:57:01 Yes. 13:57:02 :) 13:57:10 hi Robert :) 13:57:11 And you're mr. Frankie, I suppose? 13:57:24 ;) indeedy i am 13:57:54 --- join: eirikn (eirik@ipv6.eirikn.net) joined #osdev 14:05:59 --- quit: daxy ("error: connection reset by beer") 14:08:31 --- join: kemu (Jonas@100.128-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #osdev 14:09:11 I got a small probleme I wanne assemble a file using tasm he creates an .obj file what now ? 14:09:27 use tlink 14:09:29 Use tlink. 14:09:31 Heh. 14:09:34 Right, frankie :) 14:09:42 I did use tlink I get this 14:09:46 hehe...weird 14:09:59 Fatal: Unable to open file 'first.obj' 14:10:14 >:D 14:10:20 what does that mean 14:10:20 and 'first.obj' is the name of your object file? 14:10:24 yes 14:10:37 are you running tlink in the same directory as first.obj 14:11:08 or, can you tell us what you typed on the command-line to invoke tlink? 14:11:57 uhmmm think I found my prob let me just check it 14:12:31 --- join: frankie_ (~frankie@modem-3557.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 14:12:37 now I get 16bit segments not supported in module first.asm 14:12:42 oops...crappy dial-up 14:12:48 what did you type kemu? 14:13:55 nvm, i checked the logs :) 14:14:16 now I get 16bit segments not supported in module first.asm 14:14:20 ooh 14:14:26 so what does that mean :s 14:15:20 hmm.. 14:16:13 is the program/module intented for DOS/Win/Linux? 14:16:52 I don't really know 14:17:00 I'm doing this tutorial wanne learn asm 14:17:06 Then, go to the folder where you have TASM and type this into the address bar that you should have on your screen (unless you use windows 3, in which case i pity you.): 14:17:07 Tasm.exe First First.obj 14:17:12 that is waht they tell me 14:17:25 so it must be win or dos 14:17:30 where did you get the tutorial from? 14:17:50 (and btw, good luck with asm :)) 14:18:14 uhmm http://asm.tlsecurity.net/asm.deformed.us/documentation/small/doorknobsoft/doorknobsoftutorial1.html 14:18:33 I know with time I will learn it if I could just compile it I would be off 14:18:56 what version of tasm/tlink do you have? 14:19:45 Turbo link Version 1.6.71.0 14:20:03 copyrighted by blablal 1993 1996 Borland 14:20:04 and 14:20:26 Turbo Assembler Version 5.3 14:21:07 ah..tasm might be the problem 14:21:18 IIRC, that version is 32-bit only 14:21:29 so DOS is a no-no :( 14:21:41 uhmm so I need a 16bit version of tasm 14:21:45 yup 14:21:47 i've got one 14:21:49 cause my code is 16bit written 14:22:13 ok, sorry this may be stupid question but I'm new to this 14:22:22 --- quit: HuntrCkr_ZzZz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:22:37 hmm? 14:23:38 right...i'm uploading tasm 2.02 to my site 14:24:10 thnx 14:24:11 what was ur question btw? 14:24:25 well my code asm code is 16bit written then 14:24:39 yes, it operates in 16-bit real mode 14:24:41 I'm not sure but you can write asm 16bit or 32bot right 14:24:47 yes 14:24:55 16-bit = 640kb of mem 14:25:03 and you have 16bit cpu's and 32bit cpu's 14:25:05 32-bit = potentially 4Gb of mem 14:25:07 yes you do 14:25:43 http://www.rounds.fsworld.co.uk/tasm.zip 14:25:47 so 32bit asm won't work on 16bit cpu's 14:25:54 no it won't 14:26:02 but 16-bit asm will work on 32-bit cpu's 14:26:34 ok thnx for explaining that 14:26:39 remember, in tasm.zip you need *both* of the files in the same directory 14:26:46 np :) 14:27:08 are you d/l my tasm? 14:27:37 already downloaded and tested it 14:27:44 tasm works fine but tlink gives me an error 14:27:44 does it work? 14:27:51 bugger 14:28:01 what error? 14:28:09 same 14:28:21 ok..i'll upload my tlink 2.00 14:28:23 16bit segments not supported in module FIrst.asm 14:29:12 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@gc-nas-01-s101.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 14:29:40 http://www.rounds.fsworld.co.uk/tlink.zip 14:29:52 oops 14:30:06 http://www.rounds.fsworld.co.uk/TLINK.zip 14:30:14 yup that's it...sorry 14:30:23 ok downloaded it 14:30:36 it *should* (touch wood) work fine now 14:30:40 because it works for me 14:30:43 yeeaah it works :) 14:30:47 woohoo! 14:30:59 I got a smilly face as output just what the tut tould me 14:31:12 :) 14:31:33 btw one more question 14:31:38 shoot 14:32:01 --- quit: frankie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:32:03 my code is portable like I write asm I compile it on win and I can compile the same code on linux and it will work 14:32:10 without changing something to the code 14:32:11 no 14:32:29 so you have win asm and linux asm then ? 14:32:33 you'll have to change your code for each platform, unfortunately...apart from extremely rare cases 14:32:34 yes 14:32:55 well, all asm is the same really (for 80x86), but you have to use different interrupts/system calls 14:33:01 i mean: 14:33:04 mov ax, bx 14:33:07 is the same on win and linux 14:33:10 but 14:33:15 int 20h 14:33:23 won't do the same in linux as it does in dos 14:33:28 --- join: DrSpock (Spock@ool-182cc22f.dyn.optonline.net) joined #osdev 14:33:34 --- quit: stormbind_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:33:36 --- nick: frankie_ -> frankie 14:33:39 --- join: stormbind (~stormbind@p50834DD8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 14:33:55 doesn't that depend on your compiler ? 14:34:09 it can depend 14:34:13 hi, wondering about devices, accessing devices through ports is different than using int functions [for example 13h] correct? 14:34:20 for example, there are two styles of 80x86 asm syntax 14:34:31 at&t and intel 14:34:47 the style which you're using is intel syntax, which is IMHO the more clearer style 14:35:00 they both assemble to the same machine code though 14:35:30 amd = intel cpu right well for asm then 14:35:40 yes 14:35:52 ok that's all I need to know thank you very much for you help 14:36:02 no problem :) 14:36:11 if you ever need any more help, i'll be happy to provide it 14:36:31 thanks frankie 14:36:48 ok, it's just i have a soft spot for asm, and IMO, the more asm programmers, the better 14:37:01 anyway, good luck in learning it 14:37:11 it's not all that hard and strange when you get used to it :) 14:37:59 --- quit: DrSpock (Client Quit) 14:40:11 good night everyone (or good morning or good afternoon :)) 14:40:40 oink: i don't know if you're still alive :) but...see ya 14:40:53 bye :) 14:40:54 good night 14:41:00 thanks :) 14:41:05 bye everyone! 14:41:08 --- quit: frankie () 14:41:46 is asm case sensetive ? 14:44:23 --- join: HeavyJoost (HeavyJoost@a213-84-139-110.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 14:46:17 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by deer") 14:47:07 found it out myself it isn't 14:49:55 --- quit: Mathis ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 15:08:58 --- join: pavlovskii (pavlovskii@modem-667.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 15:20:37 --- nick: bono -> bono_away 15:20:55 --- quit: smaffy ("phonebill too evil") 15:22:35 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:22:55 --- quit: lynx ("Reconnecting") 15:23:03 --- join: lynx (~lynx@pD9E630FD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 15:23:05 --- quit: honk ("Reconnecting") 15:23:13 --- join: honk (~lynx@pD9E630FD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 15:24:22 --- quit: honk (Client Quit) 15:24:30 --- join: honk (~lynx@pD9E630FD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 15:24:49 --- quit: honk (Remote closed the connection) 15:31:05 --- join: lynx_ (~lynx@pD9E630FD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 15:31:22 --- quit: lynx ("[BX] This BitchX's for you") 15:32:15 EY! 15:32:39 !YE 15:33:11 E!Y 15:33:19 I have a question about registers 15:33:25 kemu: please go ahead 15:33:37 well I know there are 2type's of cpy 16bit and 32bit 15:33:43 cpu's I mean 15:33:57 2 types? many more than that 15:34:02 but the x86 cpu can run in 2 modes 15:34:03 * pavlovskii confuses kemu with 64-bit, 8-bit, 4-bit, 36-bit and bitslice CPUs 15:34:20 Hah. 15:34:25 pavlovskii: you forgot the 48bit german processors used in communication equipement ;) 15:34:26 bitslice CPUs? 15:34:35 * Robert pets his 16f84a with 14-bit instuctions. 15:34:55 so I was wondering why it is 16bit and why 32bit or 64bit so I think I found out correct me if I'm wrong 15:34:57 * eks pets his router with 45bits register with 3 reserved bits for data types per register 15:35:00 eks: bah, those Germans 15:35:09 it depends on how much the registers of the cpu can hold 15:35:15 pav: bitslice CPUs? 15:35:15 so if they can hold 16bit 15:35:19 it's a 16bit machine 15:35:19 Rico: a 4-bit bitslice CPU allows you to process 8-bit data 4 bits at a time 15:35:22 coreect ? 15:35:23 Rico: etc. 15:35:30 kemu: most of the time yes 15:35:37 kemu: there are various definitions of how many bits a CPU has 15:35:47 generally it refers to the number of bits in the CPU's registers 15:35:52 kemu: some used to define it by its addressing capabilities 15:35:58 pav: ahh 15:36:11 if the address bus had 32bits, it was a 32bit machine 15:36:16 but this doesn't hold anymore 15:36:37 --- join: SLACKo (sheriff@62.114.147.184) joined #osdev 15:36:46 uhmm don't know what an address bus is 15:36:49 the 286 had a 24-bit address bus and registers ranging in length from 8 bits to many bits 15:36:55 either by the address bus or the data bus 15:36:57 descriptor cache: > 64 bits? 15:37:16 I'm new just starting to understand some registers and asm 15:37:23 well anyway it helped me a bit 15:37:26 Rico: never heard of any cpu being defined by its data bus size 15:37:30 Pentium Pro: 64-bit address bus, registers between 8 and 32 bits 15:37:42 why isn't it possible to restore interrupts after entering protected mode? 15:37:45 pavlovskii: actually 80bits registers, MMX and such 15:37:47 eks: 8086 was either an 8-bit or a 16-bit CPU depending on how you defined it 15:37:52 eks: 128 bits for SIMD? 15:37:55 eks ! 15:37:56 exact 15:37:58 :) 15:38:00 hey SLACKo 15:38:00 or are they not real registers? 15:38:07 heyz;) 15:38:17 eks: i might have remembered it reading somewhere, one of those 3: register size, address bus, data bus. 15:38:29 pavlovskii: I believe the SIMD use two temporary MMX registers for operations and uses the stack for storage 15:38:34 how big are Model Specific Registers? 15:38:51 AFAIK 32bits 15:38:58 hah! 8087 had 80-bit FPU registers, talking to a 16-bit chip with a 20-bit address bus 15:38:59 some are up to 128bits though.. 15:39:26 eks why isn't it possible to restore interrupts after entering protected mode? 15:39:36 * file stabs eks with an ice cube 15:39:41 eks : mmx registers? 15:39:43 just cursious:) 15:39:49 curious* 15:39:59 lynx_: multimedia extension 15:40:02 what about the 8088? 15:40:22 EKS : DUH 15:40:25 file: an ice cube? that gotta hurt.. 15:40:34 eks like isn't it possible to save the first 1024 bytes somewhere in mem that after clearing the interrupt vector restore it again? 15:40:37 file: I just bought 2 sticks of 128MB for my Alpha :PP 15:40:43 curse you! :p 15:40:47 :P 15:41:02 now my baby ain't going to swap as much (hopefully) ;) 15:41:11 SLACKo: you can't use the old interrupt handlers in protected mode because they use the wrong code 15:41:14 eks : 256MB? 15:41:16 SLACKo: real mode ints = real mode code 15:41:22 eks : 36bit? 15:41:26 SLACKo: ofcourse, but why wouldn't you simply create the new IDT somewhere ELSE in memory? 15:41:29 16-bit real mode code != 32-bit protected mode code 15:41:47 pavlovskii: he knows that much, he just wants to be able to restore a valid 16bit mode later on 15:41:57 eks: k, I'll leave you to it :) 15:41:59 IDS : is it possible ? like we can call the old interrupts again? 15:42:17 * Rico calls the old interrupts 15:42:25 hmmm, they don't respond 15:42:28 SLACKo: yes, but like pavlovskii just pointed out, you gotta be in 16bit mode to use the 16bit IVT 15:43:06 eks : why is that? 15:43:12 the IDT is a vector table filled with descriptors, right? 15:44:22 Rico: yes, each IDT descriptor is similar to a GDT descriptor 15:44:29 ...did I offent anyone with that sentence..oh, hehe, no :) 15:44:38 --- quit: I440r () 15:44:48 eks : xmm are 128bit 15:44:55 Rico kills the conversation with his IDT comment and causes people to quit 15:45:04 I rock! 15:45:52 lynx_: not talking about xmm but mmx 15:45:58 lynx_: those are 2 different extensions 15:46:12 eks : doesnt mmx use xmm regs? 15:46:25 SLACKo: the size of the "descriptors" 15:46:49 SLACKo: the 16 bit IVT is 16bit:16bit, while the 32bit IDT is 32bit:32bit 15:47:14 SLACKo: the encoding of each "vector" (16bit) and each "descriptor" (32bit) also varies 15:47:29 eks : i mean... mmx uses partially xmm regs 15:47:56 each vector of the IVT is constructed of a simple SEGMENT:OFFSET pair, while the descriptors of the IDT are constructed of selectors, offset, gate/trap type, etc. 15:48:03 lynx_: yes 15:48:13 eks: came with p4? 15:48:34 lynx_: not quite sure when it came, sorry 15:48:49 IDS : ahh ic :) 15:48:58 eks : ahh ic :) 15:49:05 Flash me! 15:49:06 whois IDS? 15:49:06 heh 15:49:42 SLACKo: that's what I wonder... 15:49:59 * pavlovskii thought he was the leader of the Conservative Party 15:50:07 :) 15:50:40 you come to #osdev, and you get educated in OS development and British politics 15:51:37 --- nick: eks -> eks[food] 15:51:38 bbiab 15:54:45 --- nick: eks[food] -> eks 15:54:54 --- join: DRF (Daniel@host213-121-70-169.surfport24.v21.co.uk) joined #osdev 15:55:10 that was a quick supper eks 15:55:34 Flash me!!! 15:55:44 *FLASH* 15:56:49 file: I just went to buy chocolate cookies! 15:56:50 mmMMmmMM 15:58:52 pav: Thank you very much! :D 15:59:34 I'm gonna get my hair colored tomorrow, wh00h00! 15:59:47 green? 15:59:50 I just don't know what color though 15:59:50 Rico: lol, which colors? 15:59:57 Rico: red gold silver and blue! 16:00:00 lol 16:00:19 I was thinking of brown on top and dark (near black) at the back 16:00:24 natural colors 16:00:41 a bit like Gabe from penny-arcade.com 16:00:48 but my hair isn't that long 16:01:10 Rico: huhuh.. 16:01:26 http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3 - left image 16:04:28 got a drumming show in 45 minutes, l8r! 16:04:42 --- quit: eks ("Djembe!") 16:05:31 DJEMBE!!! 16:10:05 Did I kill the conversation again, or was it eks who did that? 16:10:47 --- mode: ChanServ set +v clog 16:11:11 hmm, I think eks did 16:11:17 no 16:11:19 yup - it was eks 16:11:35 * Rico smacks eks with a pav 16:11:52 Dance with me people! 16:11:55 * Rico starts dancing 16:12:14 * pavlovskii starts dancing but feels silly, then stops 16:12:20 * Rico is listening to DB Boulevard - Point Of View 16:12:23 * file doesn't dance at all 16:12:33 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust88.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 16:12:40 * EtherNet sits down.. 16:12:46 my dancing made I440r come back! 16:12:54 wb I440r 16:19:00 --- quit: SLACKo ("Client Exiting") 16:24:49 Can someone help me convert what looks like Intel syntax into AT&T mnemonics? 16:26:26 gn all 16:26:58 --- quit: Zenton_ ("Client Exiting") 16:27:01 ugh AT&T syntax 16:27:17 agreed 16:27:21 but that's what GCC uses 16:27:35 I may just put this in a separate .S file... 16:29:36 --- join: KWeber (~kmw@216.135.12.177) joined #osdev 16:31:26 --- nick: KWeber -> Kurt 16:32:04 --- quit: Kurt (Client Quit) 16:35:31 Don't let the conversation die! 16:35:39 We need eachother in here! 16:35:48 so 16:35:54 Hmmmm, my hand smells like shit.. 16:36:15 * pavlovskii sets up a CVS server 16:36:19 Rico: hehehhe 16:36:21 Maybe I shouldn't have sticked my hand in that.... 16:36:23 Rico's hand smells like CVS 16:36:34 what were you doing!! ? =) 16:36:45 * Rico dies of the awful smell 16:37:01 ...after licking his hand 16:38:04 okay, enough nonsense 16:38:12 checking osnews.com for some interesting info 16:38:28 FBI in Panic Over Warchalking 16:38:45 Dell Unhooks Windows from Some Desktop Models; Includes FreeDOS <- Wh00h00!!! 16:40:12 --- quit: kemu (Connection timed out) 16:44:14 --- join: kemu (Jonas@217.136.121.216) joined #osdev 16:49:19 --- quit: pavlovskii ("brb (reconnecting)") 16:50:28 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 16:52:40 --- join: pavlovskii (pavlovskii@62.25.153.97) joined #osdev 16:54:09 wb pav! 16:54:28 THANKS! 16:55:53 :) 17:13:39 -HeavyJoost(HeavyJoost@a213-84-139-110.adsl.xs4all.nl)- join #EBN - Electronic Builders Network 17:16:31 SPAMMER!!! 17:16:41 sorry 17:16:48 :) 17:16:49 wrong channel 17:16:50 :D 17:19:50 --- quit: ink ("bai") 17:21:59 brb 17:22:01 --- quit: EtherNet ("leaving") 17:29:14 well I'm back 17:29:29 wb file 17:30:32 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:40:58 --- quit: pavlovskii () 17:44:10 --- quit: acme (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:48:30 wtf is freenode? 17:51:55 what your on, OPN 17:53:57 air its a gay name they renamed open projects to 17:54:58 --- quit: corsairk8 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:55:29 --- join: corsairk8 (~Stealthy@62.30.121.110) joined #osdev 17:56:06 I440r: why? 17:56:21 listen to the allmighty! 17:56:25 * Rico farts 17:56:28 he spoke! 17:57:50 air i got no idea 17:58:00 but its definatly GAY :P 17:58:31 I'm off 17:58:45 * Rico is gone: sleep! 18:09:12 * DRF is away: Cat napping 18:15:46 hehe 18:25:23 --- join: EtherNet (~ethernet@lu9dcn.ampr.org) joined #osdev 18:38:12 --- quit: file ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 18:39:08 --- join: eks (~eks@h24-82-197-140.wp.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 18:39:48 --- join: file (joshnet@65.166.122.14) joined #osdev 18:39:56 * eks pokes file 18:40:27 yes? 18:42:11 * EtherNet is away: reading... 18:52:16 --- nick: lynx_ -> lynx_zZz 18:53:56 --- join: zephir (~zephir@hill-b-250.resnet.purdue.edu) joined #osdev 18:55:05 --- quit: kemu () 18:56:27 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 19:01:34 --- quit: EtherNet (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: EtherNet_!~ethernet@200-41-33-202-tntteco1.dial-up.net.ar))) 19:05:29 --- nick: ctkrohn -> ctkrohn|away 19:11:37 --- quit: DRF (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:19:44 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:20:15 --- quit: zephir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:21:18 --- join: zephir (~zephir@hill-b-250.resnet.purdue.edu) joined #osdev 19:21:21 --- join: JAGuarXjs (JAGuarXjs@adsl-66-139-227-158.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined #osdev 19:21:23 --- nick: HeavyJoost -> HeavyJoost_away 19:21:38 oh yay people that are os developers 19:21:52 im a newbie to OS dev 19:21:59 eks you there? 19:22:08 ive been programming C for a while 19:22:40 how can I learn how to develop a simple OS? 19:22:57 file: ? 19:23:09 eks: Djembe? 19:23:24 JAGuarXjs: there are a couple of good links to start with in the topic 19:23:34 file: came back from there already yiop :) 19:23:42 eks: neat, how did it go? 19:24:14 * file is getting sleepy 19:25:13 file: went greatn 19:25:17 my files dont get sleepy 19:25:28 eks: thanks 19:25:28 5 different beats in 5 minutes, was way too short but they sounded nice 19:25:31 i didnt notice 19:25:32 believe it or not, I'm an actual person! 19:25:43 scary eh? 19:26:02 maybe your an ai prog 19:26:09 nope 19:26:10 thats claiming to be a person 19:26:30 lol 19:26:36 afraid not 19:26:37 * file yawns 19:27:12 * file thinks about making some Delissio tomorrow 19:34:20 how long have most of you been programming? 19:34:32 I don't do OS dev... 19:34:36 but I do C 19:34:39 for about 6 months 19:34:43 JAGuarXjs: 10 years 19:34:43 perl for 2 years 19:34:47 same here 19:34:53 6 months 19:35:00 10 years wowsers. 19:35:02 general hitting of computer to make it work for 6 years 19:35:23 heh 19:35:47 eks: have you made an os before 19:35:56 a simple one 19:36:04 unix clone 19:40:13 what do i need to do to create a os that loads and just prints something 19:40:19 is it hard? 19:40:25 uh eks has a demo for that 19:40:37 really 19:40:38 it loads the kernel and prints something lol 19:40:48 exactly 19:41:08 how is that funny :) 19:41:59 --- join: Metrick (~irc@212.2.173.34) joined #osdev 19:43:58 where is that demo? 19:44:33 is this britney spears fanclub? 19:46:29 ? 19:49:59 --- quit: JAGuarXjs () 19:57:20 --- join: EtherNet (~ethernet@lu9dcn.ampr.org) joined #osdev 19:58:29 hello 20:11:06 --- quit: zephir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:17:44 what should be the permissions for "dsp, mixer" and sound stuff in /dev directory, i want to use that files from another users 20:18:51 what ever you want to set them to 20:19:06 what do you mean? 20:19:17 I can listen mp3 for example being root, but other users can listen files 20:19:18 generally you want to make it so that not everyone can use dsp, otherwise someone could log in remotely and listen to you 20:19:25 I think /dev/dsp hasn't enough permissions 20:19:36 probally 20:19:43 usually there's a sound group 20:20:02 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Dec 31 1969 /dev/sound/dsp 20:20:05 that's mine 20:20:07 okas.. but how can I listen being another user rather than root ? 20:20:10 ohh... what is the group name ? 20:20:13 wait 20:20:13 debian ? 20:20:22 yes, but your distro doesn't matter 20:20:25 set it however you want 20:20:39 /bin/sh: line 1: /etc/grop: No such file or directory 20:20:42 )@ 20:20:48 /bin/sh: line 1: /etc/group: Permission denied 20:20:52 gah 20:21:00 root@dallas# chgrp audio dsp 20:21:02 root@dallas# 20:21:02 it works, but I can't listen yet 20:21:14 audio:x:29:daboy 20:21:17 there 20:21:28 you need a line like that in /etc/group 20:21:29 it's already in audio group 20:21:29 lol@indigo 20:21:33 you need to add users to the group 20:21:55 irssi needs tab filename completion :) 20:22:01 root@dallas# cat /etc/group | grep audio 20:22:21 audio:x:29: 20:22:21 root@dallas# 20:22:21 indigo: I have 20:22:35 there's no users in it 20:22:36 indigo: /set completion_nicks_lowercase on 20:22:53 that's just nick completion 20:22:57 i want filename completion :Q) 20:22:58 indigo: okas.. is there a way to add my own username there ? 20:23:03 :) even 20:23:11 yes, open it, add your username :) 20:23:26 you will probally have to re-login for the changes to take effect 20:23:29 --- part: Metrick left #osdev 20:23:38 indigo: ohh sorry 20:23:38 BitchX has it ;P 20:23:50 indigo: tell me, is there a way to add my current username to audio group ? 20:23:50 hehehe 20:23:50 hold on 20:23:50 yah, well bitchx is bloated too :) 20:24:07 i told you 20:24:09 just add it! 20:24:33 damn it I can't modify group file.. hold on 20:24:33 use sed, ed, vi, emacs, pico, nano, jed, or anything along those lines 20:24:52 ready 20:24:55 hold on 20:24:55 pico is my favorite... ;) 20:25:21 ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Permission denied 20:25:30 do I need to close X and restart it ? 20:25:38 hrm... 20:25:45 maybe... 20:25:57 chmod 665 /dev/dsp 20:26:03 er 20:26:07 644 20:26:08 holdo n 20:26:10 664 20:26:13 bah 20:26:15 g+rw :) 20:26:27 or 20:26:27 664 ? 20:26:29 ok 20:26:31 660 20:26:37 660 probally... 20:26:44 you don't want others to be able to use /dev/dsp 20:27:01 ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Permission denied 20:27:03 not yet :( 20:27:19 I want to everybody listen music here 20:27:23 open a new shell and do 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' 20:27:29 each user 20:27:42 well, use mode 662 then 20:27:47 hgehehehe 20:27:50 it makes noise 20:27:58 then you need to restart X 20:28:04 okas 20:28:14 :( 20:28:33 it's very un-unix like, i know :( 20:28:39 i haven't heard of any other way thougch 20:28:41 brb 20:28:41 --- quit: EtherNet ("leaving") 20:31:31 hum 20:31:38 * indigo considers watching a movie 20:32:12 --- quit: I440r () 20:38:25 --- join: EtherNet (~ethernet@lu9dcn.ampr.org) joined #osdev 20:40:12 hello again 20:40:13 indigo: you're a master ;P 20:40:15 it's working nicely :P 20:40:23 thanks you very much! 20:41:02 np :) 20:41:08 <--- master :P 20:41:57 --- join: JAGuarXjs (JAGuarXjs@adsl-66-139-227-158.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined #osdev 20:42:08 and: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp 20:42:11 indigo: eheh 20:42:14 hey 20:42:20 hey JAGuarXjs 20:42:27 JAGuarXjs: http://onee.yi.org/kernel_in_c.html 20:42:28 w00t! 20:42:32 that's the best thing around the world ;P 20:42:32 it seems to be E.T. 20:42:33 thanks 20:42:55 EtherNet: heh...try listening to your kernel :P 20:43:15 cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp 20:43:16 :P 20:43:54 indigo: hehehehee :PPP it would be cooool 20:43:54 indigo: what does it do? 1 and 0 plays on the card 20:44:11 probally makes noise... 20:44:24 about like urandom, except a little more colorful :) 20:44:53 echo "indigo winner" > /dev/dsp 20:44:53 heheeh it would be a message in pulses.. 20:44:53 1 and 0 20:45:04 no, it wouldn't 20:45:34 it would be whatever dsp is set to, probally 8-bit sound 20:46:09 ahh ok.. it's 16 bit I configured it on aRts server.. 20:46:26 well, that's only if you send it to arts 20:46:33 but then you can't cat it to dsp 20:46:34 sure 20:46:42 ;P 20:47:01 heh 20:47:08 because 10,000 nodes can't be all wrong 20:47:15 the clustering foundry at sf.net :P 20:47:25 indigo: what are you doing now ? 20:47:38 tring to get gst-player to work 20:48:41 --- quit: JAGuarXjs () 20:49:18 ;P 20:49:53 KDE works nicely on this machine, it's pentium I 166 Mhz.. I can't believe 20:49:55 when it works, i'm going to watch the matrix :) 20:49:58 gah 20:50:03 kde sux0r :P 20:50:10 heheh 20:50:12 I love console 20:50:30 ion is the only true way (tm) 20:50:38 and lotts of aterms 20:50:40 nah 20:50:45 and gvim with the menubar and toolbar turned off 20:50:49 yeah, for alot of aterms ;) 20:50:58 well, what else is there? :P 20:51:29 but I want Anti Aliasing font support ;P and kde does it 20:51:45 mark my words...if i ever make an impact on computer intefraces, it will be the demolition of dialog windows 20:51:59 hrm...so does just X 20:52:13 you don't need kde to do that 20:52:29 in fact, i can't think of anything that kde or gnome can do that couldn't be done before 20:53:01 i think all they do is put a memory-eating panel at the bottom and force a lot of decisions 20:53:25 like your windowmanager, your widget set, your audio system... 20:53:31 and they install shitloads of libs 20:53:49 indigo: 20:53:57 ethernet@dallas$ gvim 20:53:57 E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time 20:53:57 ethernet@dallas$ 20:54:07 apt-get hasn't the gvim binary it seems to be 20:54:28 it does 20:54:32 it's called something else 20:54:34 vim-* 20:54:43 vim-gtk probally 20:55:04 jip 20:55:26 indigo: does gvim automatically saves the setting? 20:55:34 or is there a way to save them? 20:55:37 eks: dunno, never tried 20:55:40 just put: 20:55:49 vim-gtk - Vi IMproved - GTK version 20:55:50 set guioptions-=Tm 20:55:57 in ~/.gvimrcc 20:56:00 s/c// 20:56:09 indigo: is that the graphical VIM version ? 20:56:20 oh...and 20:56:25 indigo: hrm.. well, I changed the default font, color, theme, etc.. 20:56:26 set background=dark 20:56:40 hrm.. 20:56:44 * eks likes the torte theme.. 20:56:54 in asm it looks nice 20:56:55 theme for gvim? 20:56:59 ja 20:57:04 same themes as with vim 20:57:06 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-71.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 20:57:07 what is there to theme? 20:57:10 edit->color themes->... 20:57:17 sorry 20:57:21 edit->color scheme-> 20:57:23 ah 20:57:24 hm... 20:57:33 i'm pretty sure there's a way to save the current config 20:57:39 i remember seeing it in the menus 20:57:43 yeah.. but it's not obvious ;) 20:57:49 i've just always played with my .gvimrc manually though 20:57:54 indigo: did you read me ? 20:58:25 EtherNet: yes 20:58:30 to both questions 20:58:35 indigo: is that right ? 20:58:43 indigo: vim-gtk ? 20:58:47 yes 20:58:48 yes 20:58:49 yes 20:59:05 thanks 20:59:05 hehehh 21:02:13 well gah 21:02:15 * indigo is going to bed 21:03:14 hey gvim tiggers the console vim 21:03:16 :( 21:03:27 do you know why? 21:05:53 it doesn't work :( 21:07:59 eks: are you there? 21:10:26 * EtherNet thinks everybody is sleeping.. 21:13:25 --- join: JAGuarXjs (JAGuarXjs@adsl-66-139-227-158.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined #osdev 21:14:23 EtherNet: somewat, why? 21:14:35 eks: ok.. 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