00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/02.09.29 00:00:14 00:47 geist-hiptop: can its screen sit at 90deg like a laptop screen? 00:00:42 oh, I didn't see that one 00:00:50 sit at 90 deg? 00:00:55 I dont get it 00:01:11 when u open a laptop its at 90deg 00:01:26 oh like perpendicular to the base? 00:01:37 ya 00:01:44 no, the hiptop's screen rotates open 00:01:54 that way you can see it when it's closed and when it's opened 00:02:20 how does that work? 00:02:24 geist: any market for people who want to develop on the Danger platform (just asking?) 00:02:30 seunosewa: yes 00:02:43 air: it rotates 180 degress to the left (clockwise) 00:02:57 when it's opened, the screen is drawn upside-down 00:03:14 it uncovers the keyboard when it rotates open 00:03:43 so normally it's closed, and the scroll wheel and a few buttons are not underneath the screen 00:03:48 geist: how does that market work? who do those developers work with? 00:03:51 night 00:04:01 when you need to get to the qwerty keyboard you rotate the screen to uncover it 00:04:19 seunosewa: it's not formal yet so I can't say 00:05:07 geist: that is the best situation; not formal usually means wide open if I am not mistaken 00:05:24 not formal means we haven't announced it yet so I can't talk about it 00:05:30 or at least that's what I mean here 00:05:43 geist: doesnt it flip over to cover the screen? 00:06:12 no, it rotates open 00:06:32 no other product has done anything like that before 00:06:57 i thought i saw a picture of it with the screen not exposed 00:06:59 if you can view flash, go to www.hiptop.com and see the demo thing 00:07:07 air: you saw wrong 00:07:24 look man, I have two of them right here. I know how it works. :) 00:08:05 one of them is logged into irc 00:08:23 why would u need two? 00:08:31 I have my reasons 00:08:34 I have more at work 00:08:53 I have one has a stable system, running release software (using as my cell phone as well) 00:09:04 another I tend to run experimental systems on, do dev on, etc 00:09:08 ah 00:09:24 and sometimes I have experimental hardware too 00:09:40 since I work on the firmware team I work with the hardware guys a lot 00:09:49 one of my tasks was doing the factory diagnostics for the device 00:09:57 that's how I got that trip to thailand a few months ago 00:10:04 went to visit the factory 00:11:09 --- quit: ragarth (""god stole my dog bone!"") 00:12:07 hmm 00:12:35 a trip to thailand would kill me 00:12:40 geist: I wonder if such a device can be used with GSM networks in Nigeria without major modifications .... 00:12:47 should work fine 00:12:53 how many hours was that flight? 00:13:05 I've personally tested it in europe (UK, germany) 00:13:18 interesting ... how long do the batteries last? 00:13:28 air: san francisco -> bangkok was about 12 + 4 hours 00:13:35 two legs of the trip 00:13:42 16 hrs? 00:13:45 12h + 4h + 2 hour layover 00:13:47 it was on throughout? 00:13:49 so it was really like 18h 00:14:00 16hrs in the air? 00:14:03 yes 00:14:09 it really sucked 00:14:14 it was on united, which is ghetto 00:14:19 heh 00:14:25 when I flew to london it was on virgin atlantic, which was a lot nicer 00:14:34 i had to fly back east and it almost killed me 00:15:11 * air has nasty motion sickness 00:15:41 bummer 00:16:16 SF to london was like 13 hours 00:16:34 hmm 00:16:48 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 00:17:07 was this before or after 911? 00:17:13 after 00:17:19 hmm 00:18:03 I am returning this otherwise good typing paper to you because someone 00:18:03 has printed gibberish all over it and put your name at the top. 00:18:04 -- English Professor, Ohio University 00:18:13 heh 00:18:41 uhh 00:20:31 geist: is the connection to the web thing automatic. I mean, the GPS provider must enable web browsing, right? and I wonder if web pages will be deformed much due to the small screen size... 00:20:52 the carrier gives us an ip address, we do the rest 00:21:01 and yes, it's connected 24/7 00:21:17 you can send an email or IM to it and it'll show up in a few seconds 00:21:30 when is apple gonna change their name to iApple and release iMacOS X? 00:22:09 ok. do most carries do this? if you remain connected 24x7 will you pay charges 24x7? ANyway, the mail is really cool! 00:22:45 because it should be richer than SMS but more economical than phone ... my opinion 00:22:46 most carriers to not at this point. t-mobile is doing something that none others have done 00:23:04 how much is service per month? 00:23:04 being connected 24/7 costs nothing 00:23:08 $40 00:23:14 for? 00:23:26 that gets you a few hundred minutes, unlimited weekend, unlimited data 00:23:43 $40? I really don't understand.... who do you pay to? 00:24:05 so u can be online 24/7 for $40/mo? 00:24:09 yes 00:24:13 kewl 00:24:23 just the phone is metered? 00:24:34 yes 00:24:51 so basically it's just like a cell phone but with unlimited data 00:25:01 does sms count as data? 00:25:06 which is a totally new idea. previously gprs data has been terribly expensive 00:25:15 I think you get 500 sms messages or something 00:25:20 but no one uses sms in the us basically 00:25:41 geist: who do you pay the $40 to if you ar ein nigeria? 00:25:46 you dont 00:26:09 until we talk to a carrier in nigeria, you wont be using it 00:26:29 are in* I want to know if it would be useful for people here ... oh, ok. 00:26:30 seunosewa: sucks to be u :) 00:26:38 air: pity, pity 00:26:54 seunosewa: tell yer nigerian buddies to stop emailing me :) 00:27:03 haha 00:28:22 well, its only a few of them. There are over 120 million people in Nigeria, you know .... 00:28:55 ... Nigerians are exposed enough to know about possibilities but not well equipped to make use of them, so some get desperate 00:29:07 .. and .. the rest is what you know! 00:29:07 and a 1 banking scam per capita in Nigeria as well 00:29:37 toby: not true, not true. We have so many people in Nigeria its just natural there will be more bad eggs 00:29:55 I always thought it was a total joke, but apparently the nigerian scam thing is for real 00:30:18 it is? 00:30:19 i have gotten about 4 offers so far 00:30:26 geist: well, I would say its oer-hyped in some quarters ;) 00:30:39 yeah, but I've personally gotten at least 5 or so of them 00:30:42 i like to waste the scammers time 00:31:01 and keep them in correspondence for as long as possible 00:31:34 yeah, there's a great web page where someone does that 00:31:54 holy shit, fire is like miracle grow for a mole 00:32:04 hmmmm ... I saw one such letter in a mailing list for some GNU software once and it was very very funny. I wonder how people fal for these things ;) 00:32:14 fall* 00:34:08 there's a particularly good ER episode on 00:34:10 been watching it 00:35:29 the premier stunk 00:35:39 geist: I /msg -ed you ... 00:35:41 it was too much 00:35:46 so it didnt make sence 00:44:17 --- quit: nbsp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:45:08 --- quit: Robert (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: Magik (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: trans (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: geist-hiptop (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: indigo (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: seunosewa (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: dax (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: gpf`afk (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: Divine (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: Zenton (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: Rico (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: foxglove (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: slowcoder (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:08 --- quit: wli (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:09 --- quit: eirikn (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:09 --- quit: ctk|TheMatrix (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:45:41 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: geist-hiptop (~ircuser@199.106.69.194) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: indigo (indigo@bgp01105107bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: dax (~you@u212-239-165-238.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: gpf`afk (~bgamari@h0020af25039b.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: Divine (~john@12-246-112-182.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: Zenton (~vicente@8.Red-80-34-35.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: eirikn (~eirik@a217-118-45-95.bluecom.no) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: foxglove (~foxglove@12-221-105-210.client.insightBB.com) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: ctk|TheMatrix (~ctkrohn@ip68-100-176-44.nv.nv.cox.net) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: slowcoder (~jaja@7n0szc1.cm.chello.no) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: Magik (matt@3ffe:b80:1065:1:0:0:0:2) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: Rico (Rico@node-c-1c6a.a2000.nl) joined #osdev 00:45:41 --- join: wli (wli@holomorphy.com) joined #osdev 00:47:05 that device is cheaper than some mobile phones... 00:47:10 yep 00:47:38 --- join: AboryM (~mbalazs@80.97.114.61) joined #osdev 00:47:56 hello 00:48:28 --- join: nbsp (g@68.14.60.55) joined #osdev 00:49:04 geist: i guess it's only offered in the usa? 00:50:07 --- join: delphinus (~peter@61-221-104-181.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #osdev 00:50:10 Hello 00:50:12 if you decide to bring it to nigeria -- it had better be a hiptop and not a danger device! (just a thought) 00:50:44 dax: right now it's only in usa 00:50:49 ah damn 00:50:53 it's the first release man 00:50:55 give it time 00:50:58 we're a friggin startup 00:50:58 * dax is looking for a bigger screen 00:51:16 you ahven't even used it yet? 00:51:20 er yet even 00:51:39 you can't put a bigger screen on it 00:51:45 no for my pc :) 00:51:50 oh heh. :) 00:52:01 my 15" lcd is nice but... 00:52:16 a bit larger would be better for my coding-attempts 00:56:32 18" & 19" lcds are getting close to $1000... 00:58:44 geist: how fast do you think the developer@danger.com maintainer would take to reply? (hint, hint) 00:59:32 seunosewa: I dont know 00:59:35 stop asking 00:59:57 I'm an engineer. I dont know whats going on there 01:00:24 I should know more what my company is doing, but I have my little area of the company is doing 01:01:38 have your company *formally* approach danger about third party stuff 01:01:48 dont just send some lame email to that address 01:02:27 *formally* *lame* do we have to specify what software we would want to write? 01:02:37 sigh 01:02:54 * seunosewa does not know everything _yet_ 01:02:59 forget it 01:03:00 --- part: geist left #osdev 01:03:28 --- quit: delphinus () 01:04:37 geist-hiptop: why don't you just stop getting unnecessarily exasperated? 01:05:03 geist-hiptop: cultural difference, age difference, these are not life-or-death issues 01:06:48 seunosewa: how old are you maybe? 01:06:56 --- join: geist (~geist@65.191.44.105) joined #osdev 01:07:03 seunosewa: you're right. irc is not worth it 01:07:13 later guys. I'm spending too much time online 01:07:16 --- part: geist left #osdev 01:07:49 ... 01:07:51 way to go. 01:08:34 --- quit: geist-hiptop () 01:09:32 what's wrong with saying something like "I'm sorry, seunosewa, but I've got to go now"? 01:09:43 hmm 01:10:00 * air 'a hand hurts from replacing over 100 for loops with while loops 01:10:07 somehow i'm starting to doubt geist has any social skills though... 01:10:59 none 01:11:31 like most of us i guess :) 01:12:27 nah 01:13:13 :-) deadline-imposed stress, perhaps? 01:13:33 no 01:13:45 he is always like that 01:14:32 he will sit outside the channel and read the logs for the rest of the night 01:15:49 but I really think that device rocks -- at the price 01:16:47 there was a review of it that made it not sound all that great 01:16:58 hmmm ... where? 01:17:07 try googling for it 01:17:34 http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2877183,00.html 01:19:45 http://www.google.com/search?q=danger+hiptop&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0 01:19:48 more reviews 01:19:48 "NOW THIS ISN'T to say that the Sidekick is a perfect product--simply that **it's better than anything else in its class**, and that it's a truly remarkable first-generation offering" 01:20:06 .. doesnt sound negative so far ... 01:20:18 there are no other devices in that class 01:21:30 hmmm ... that's good, isn't it? 01:22:03 --- join: geist (~geist@63.203.215.73) joined #osdev 01:22:04 look guys 01:22:09 see 01:22:16 I dont want to leave on a bad note 01:22:22 I'm pretty stressed out lately 01:22:34 irc is using up more an dmore of my time 01:22:38 lately??? u've been this way since i met u 01:22:48 it's a high stress job 01:23:04 geist: we could ban you from newos and osdev? 01:23:07 jobs are only stressful if u make them 01:23:18 I just took the first vacation I've ever taken 01:23:29 but either way, I'm not that stressed in real life 01:23:46 for some reason the coldness of text doesn't come across right 01:23:56 and I've been getting more and more pissy here 01:24:11 for some reason and I dont think it's his fault really, seunosewa pushes all my buttons 01:24:31 ugh, i thought i pushed all yer buttons :) 01:24:33 I love helping people out, but I dont like sitting here waiting for people that need help to stop by 01:24:40 you did, and we came to a truce 01:24:58 seunosewa is the second person I know of to push my buttons online 01:25:02 air is the first 01:25:21 air did it on purpose, seunosewa does it on accident 01:25:29 which is why I hate getting ticked at him, since it's not his fault 01:26:02 whoa... that i live to see this day... some kind of "apology" from geist :) 01:26:05 but it brings up a good point, which is I'm taking it too seriously (though it's not like I'm running around the apartment screaming or anything) 01:26:29 so I'll leave it at that. sorry guys 01:26:52 I just want to be here and help people when they come by (there was some good ones earlier today) 01:27:03 ah... 01:27:13 * dax is kinda afraid asking anything to geist :) 01:27:20 but I'm not able to just let the other conversations float by 01:27:29 dax: really? that sucks 01:27:35 nah not really 01:27:37 I'm terribly sorry I come across that way. 01:27:44 that's the last thing I want to be known for 01:28:09 guess i can understand that, i'm like that sometimes 01:28:18 the more help u give the less i have to not think about giving :) 01:28:30 heh 01:28:30 * geist tries to parse that 01:28:37 s/not// 01:28:41 syntax error :) 01:28:47 okay that makes sense 01:28:53 the not part really scrwed with me 01:29:11 my fingers are hurting really bad so im not gonna type anymore 01:29:22 seunosewa: I'm terribly sorry I've been mad at ya. it's not your fault. it's probably a cultural thing 01:29:56 geist: ok, I think I dunderstand this a little ... 01:29:58 but I do need to stay away from irc more. It's not like I'm sitting here all the time looking at it, but I do typically have my laptop on all the time and it may as well have something on the screen (irc, email) 01:30:21 so basically if I'm sitting down somewhere I have my laptop with me 01:30:26 and I can't resist 01:30:34 dax is the one that pushed my buttons 01:30:37 pushes 01:30:52 really? I hadn't noticed 01:31:01 group hug! 01:31:28 hmm? 01:31:35 things are pretty smooth in #newos, but there's less going on 01:31:36 what did i do? 01:31:43 forget it 01:31:50 the only major thing that is starting to get on my nerves more and more is the openbeos stuff 01:31:52 --- part: air left #osdev 01:31:57 people ask me all the time about it, and I just dont care 01:31:59 --- join: air (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 01:32:02 j/k :) 01:32:36 anyway, it's late. I'm gonna sleep 01:32:47 I'm gonna stay away from irc tomorrow and see 01:32:48 me too 01:33:04 me too, NOT! 01:33:12 the trouble is I'll look a tht log and see someone ask I a question I can answer, then I'm like 'damn, I wish I was there' 01:33:27 i dont look at logs 01:33:34 yeah, the logs really ruined me 01:33:35 thats why i dont have that problem :) 01:34:07 um hmm 01:34:18 oh well, nite everyone! talk to ya later! 01:34:23 night 01:34:28 sorry for anything and everything 01:34:31 --- quit: geist ("leaving") 01:37:38 no, this is a cool device if I ever saw one. Its the only mobile phone device that ever got me excited ... ever! 01:38:19 dax: yesterday, in my dream I was thinking of something ( ;) ) 01:38:40 geist: u should publish yer negative opinions about openbeos like everyone else so ppl will stop asking u about it 01:38:51 seunosewa: of what? 01:39:01 dax: suppose one whizy whizy computer architect brought a new, slim, architecture 01:39:14 hmm 01:39:20 dax: that caused applications to run 20% faster... 01:39:39 dax: .. intel pumps in money into their research and obtains more than 30% 01:39:56 dax: on their non-optimal architecture. So they win anyway! 01:39:59 seunosewa: brix will make apps run faster 01:40:12 dax: its a no-win situation, apparently 01:40:29 dax: the kind of thing you do because you want to just do it (sigh0 01:40:52 air: how will brix do this exo-stuff? (if I remember) 01:41:34 air: how will it make apps run faster? 01:42:11 no kernel 01:42:28 and no runtime permission/security checking 01:42:47 * seunosewa gulps. I see ... ok. but programs have to be written in a particular language that does al the checks 01:42:54 any piece of code can call any other piece of code 01:43:03 air: come on, tell me you do no runtime array bounds checking! 01:43:15 yes but the language handles most checks at compile time 01:43:20 so there is no runtime overhead 01:43:45 sloppy code will have runtime array bounds checks 01:43:51 but clean code wont 01:44:22 and u cant have null pointers so there will be no runtime null pointer checking code 01:44:41 hmmm ... how would you get libraries? is it just proof-of-concept stuff? 01:44:51 I mean, the OS? 01:44:57 the entire system is a library 01:45:03 there arent really apps 01:45:28 the system can be split into two parts: all the code and the user interface 01:46:06 interfaces to 'apps' are integrated into the ui and the code that would be those apps is integrated into the system 01:46:49 so basicly a full exokernel... 01:46:54 everything out of the kernel :) 01:47:22 hmmm .. I will read your docs and see if I can steal (er... adapt, learn from) any interesting ideas you have there. I like it when you have operating system imposed sandbox so that within that box your system can run at full speed! 01:47:33 dax: no, its a 'no kernel' 01:47:48 air: well yea... everything out of the kernel => no kernel :) 01:48:18 a nice idea just popped up 01:48:19 ! 01:48:39 dax: what's the idea 01:48:42 ? 01:48:58 we are waiting to steal it, er hear it 01:49:27 well... wouldn't it be possible to write a "exokernel simulator" so that i can just do all the "daxos" development under some unix os? 01:50:02 emulators, simulators .. the first microsoft product needed one! :-) 01:50:14 would be alot easier to toy around with the interfaces i think 01:51:03 it would be easy to add a vm for brix on top of *nix 01:51:28 well yea... might be easier for initial work 01:51:34 adding a vm for an os with a kernel would be a bit harder 01:51:37 air: the logical next question is: why not just run it under UNIX? 01:51:52 and you could implement whatever debugging functions you want... 01:52:02 seunosewa: dont want to 01:52:39 i can easily run it under *nix in a bochs session 01:52:45 air: exactly, you are doing it this way because you want to do it that way! 01:52:53 so why take the time to write a vm? 01:52:58 I mean, if it runs under linus its essentially java 01:53:07 Linux* 01:53:13 or mono 01:53:31 And even if it runs as an OS its essentially JOS! 01:53:44 --- join: Amon-Re (~amon_re@D5E0E6D5.kabel.telenet.be) joined #osdev 01:53:55 Hi 01:54:05 please dont compare brix with java or jos 01:54:10 or mono 01:54:16 hehe 01:54:25 crush is way superior :) 01:54:28 air: why? remove the intermediate stage and its the same 01:54:30 thats the only button i have, please dont push it :) 01:54:44 air: ok, ok. I fear these buttons 01:54:49 haha 01:55:33 how is crush the same as java/jos/mono? 01:56:03 it isn't 01:56:09 it's bettarh 01:56:10 ! 01:56:30 with a cool lisp-like syntax 01:58:38 hmm 01:58:43 daxosthinking-time 02:00:44 ugh, only 13 for loops remaining 02:01:18 * seunosewa gtg now. bye! 02:01:22 cya 02:01:23 --- nick: seunosewa -> seun_away 02:04:57 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@217.184.159.59) joined #osdev 02:05:17 heh all 02:05:47 mathis!!! 02:05:55 air!!! 02:06:27 s/air!!!/god!!!/ :) 02:06:52 I'm talking to air! what an honor! ;-) 02:07:07 hehe 02:08:13 whaaaaat an hoooonooooorr.... 02:08:30 *DrZoidberg* 02:15:29 --- nick: seun_away -> seunosewa 02:15:55 why cant C tell u WHERE a variable "might be used uninitialized" instead of tell me where i declared it????? 02:16:10 s/tell u/tell me/ 02:16:54 you know, everything I want to do applicaton-wise can be done by tweaking the linux kernel but it just does not seem elegant enough .... grrr. I guess functionality and price,not elegance of the internals, is what counts in real life ... 02:17:03 * seunosewa leaves again having let off the steam 02:17:14 --- nick: seunosewa -> seun_away 02:20:18 air, it can 02:20:37 how? 02:20:42 simply comment out the declaration and the compiler will tell you 02:20:57 hah 02:22:13 does it work or not? 02:24:18 air? 02:24:59 yes but thats not the point 02:26:56 --- quit: Magik (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: Robert (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: slowcoder (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: foxglove (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: Divine (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: gpf`afk (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: seun_away (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: trans (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: Rico (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: wli (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: dax (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: eirikn (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: ctk|TheMatrix (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: indigo (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: Zenton (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: Amon-Re (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: sludge (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: air (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:56 --- quit: toby (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:26:57 --- quit: oink (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:27:09 --- join: Amon-Re (~amon_re@D5E0E6D5.kabel.telenet.be) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: air (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: wli (wli@holomorphy.com) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: Rico (Rico@node-c-1c6a.a2000.nl) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: Magik (matt@3ffe:b80:1065:1:0:0:0:2) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: slowcoder (~jaja@7n0szc1.cm.chello.no) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: ctk|TheMatrix (~ctkrohn@ip68-100-176-44.nv.nv.cox.net) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: foxglove (~foxglove@12-221-105-210.client.insightBB.com) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: eirikn (~eirik@a217-118-45-95.bluecom.no) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: Zenton (~vicente@8.Red-80-34-35.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: Divine (~john@12-246-112-182.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: gpf`afk (~bgamari@h0020af25039b.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: dax (~you@u212-239-165-238.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: seun_away (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: indigo (indigo@bgp01105107bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: sludge (sludge@letku.net) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: oink (~ziga@void.phear.org) joined #osdev 02:27:09 --- join: toby (toby@adsl-32-193-51.bna.bellsouth.net) joined #osdev 02:27:18 back 02:33:19 does C support labels that are local to a block? 02:38:22 normally it should 02:39:26 how? 02:39:34 label: 02:39:45 goto label; 02:39:54 if(...){... label: ...} if(...){... label: ...} 02:40:11 that will fail because they share the same name 02:40:19 wtf 02:40:21 Goto? 02:40:25 --- quit: nbsp ("-_-.Z") 02:40:37 labels are old 02:40:56 hmm C, assembler or C++... 02:40:59 labels are for BASIC 02:41:05 and Assembler 02:41:19 but C/C++ and Pascal dont really need labels 02:41:39 Labels just suck 02:41:43 Spaghetti code mb? 02:41:51 yep 02:43:02 this code is 'for' and 'continue' hell and i've converted all the for's to while's but now i have to use gotos for the continues 02:43:03 no good coder uses labels in his C/C++ code 02:43:18 hehe 02:43:45 goto's and labels suck, don't use them 02:43:47 Ugh 02:44:26 stfu 02:44:31 Bah 02:44:32 do u think i dont know this 02:44:41 Of course you do 02:44:46 But not using them is imo better 02:45:34 i have two options right now: use gotos or convert 97k of code which i have no idea how it works 02:46:03 Heh 02:46:04 :/ 02:46:26 I've never used goto's really in C, I don't know what I'm talking about (mb) 02:46:27 air: convert it 02:46:48 97K of code... all with goto's? 02:46:49 Eek 02:47:04 no 02:47:25 there will only be about 50 gotos 02:47:44 but i would have to convert a lot of code to eliminate them 02:47:45 Good luck, air, and farewell 02:47:46 :/ 02:47:53 Convert! 02:48:00 no 02:57:51 fauler Sack 03:10:43 whee! 03:10:53 felt like coding a bit 03:10:57 worked a bit on the old daxos 03:11:00 cleaned the code a bit 03:12:28 hehe 03:12:52 just couldn't resist it... 03:12:52 your daxos resides on my harddisk too 03:12:56 uhm no 03:12:59 the old thingy 03:13:00 that's a REALLY old version 03:13:01 heh 03:13:22 which date? 03:14:08 nice, fsck 03:14:25 I love it if it checks all my partitions... 03:14:41 hmm 03:14:54 while booting 03:15:04 anyone wants a disk image of the soon-to-be-obselete daxos? 03:15:16 hehe, nope 03:16:03 did you already implement delay() ? 03:16:16 nope 03:16:21 hmm 03:16:37 maybe in some old version 03:16:50 but iirc it was just an ipc to yourself with a timeout :) 03:18:24 newest file in my daxos.tar.gz is 04. Jan 2002 03:18:39 most of them are 02. 03:18:48 ooh ancient... 03:20:01 maybe i should quit osdev 03:20:04 and do something else 03:21:25 maybe, maybe not 03:22:22 how you got the term 'dax'? 03:23:35 no idea 03:24:48 ah crap 03:25:05 i converted some of the code and now it dont work 03:25:19 now the code is busted and i have no idea how to fix it 03:25:24 air, do you really know what the code does? 03:25:45 its a register allocator 03:25:51 thats all i know 03:25:56 whatever 03:26:01 just shaved of 4kb 03:26:01 hmm 03:26:04 you need to know how it works 03:26:16 if you dont, then you cant convert it 03:26:33 03:45 i have two options right now: use gotos or convert 97k of code which i have no idea how it works 03:26:33 it's like telling a story in your own words 03:27:44 where the story is the code 03:28:08 u forced me to convert the code so u get to fix it :) 03:28:23 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:28:30 simply reimplement it... 03:29:27 simply? 03:29:56 that would be simple if i knew how to write a register allocator 03:30:21 whos code is that? 03:30:54 novo's 03:31:13 i wish i knew how to write a decent slab allocator 03:31:14 hmm 03:31:16 so nobody I should know... 03:31:33 he wrote it for crush but is too busy to fix some bugs so i have to learn the code and fix em myself 03:32:00 a slab allocator would be simple compared to this 03:32:43 yah i know but mine is crap 03:32:47 and i wrote it ages ago 03:32:49 hmm 03:32:56 rewrite it 03:33:03 the second time is always better 03:33:14 yea i should... but i'll end up with crap again :) 03:33:24 900 lines atm... beh 03:33:35 rewrite it again, the third time is even better :) 03:33:35 modular view 03:34:02 Mathis: ? 03:34:44 split up complex things 03:36:47 seun's instruction set architecture: 64 general-purpose 64-bit registers. at any point in time, each register holds a 'type' based on the last load operation. there are three 'types': address, floating point, int. To simplify superscalar execution, we assume that a load of one type cannot interfere with a store of another type ... more on this later ... 03:36:57 Mathis: what are u talking about 03:37:29 if your slab allocator is too complex, split it up 03:37:36 into what? 03:38:06 to perform operations on 32-bit integers, the 64-bit register is assumed split into two ... so the operation is performed on both halves ... later ... so there are no 32-bit registers... 03:38:16 dax: i'll make u a deal, u get this register allocator working and i will write a kick ass slab allocator for u 03:38:24 lol 03:38:41 i know even less than you bout register allocators 03:39:13 --- join: harly- (harly@trava.ffk.hr) joined #osdev 03:39:20 hello 03:39:26 ... you guys are busy ... I am sorry for bargin in ... bye for now then! 03:39:27 hello 03:40:15 --- join: draq (~norm1111a@ESS-p-144-138-45-1.mega.tmns.net.au) joined #osdev 03:41:22 * dax is cleaning the kernel 03:41:27 seun_away: i was listening 03:41:29 maybe i can reuse some parts of it in a newer daxos 03:41:59 seun_away: going to design your own killer chip? 03:42:15 dax: is your daxos designed to be used? 03:48:01 tsk 03:51:06 dax: instruction set 03:51:12 --- nick: seun_away -> seunosewa 03:51:22 daxos is crap atm 03:51:37 bbl 03:51:45 dax: cya 03:53:23 --- quit: dax (Remote closed the connection) 03:53:41 air: are you still there? 03:53:50 Morning all. 03:54:10 --- join: dax (~you@212.239.165.238) joined #osdev 03:54:34 robert: morning 03:54:44 x was doing weird again :( 03:55:06 dax! 03:55:21 robert. 03:55:29 Yup. 03:55:31 Here I am! 03:56:54 you know, I feel that one way to enable harware implementors do easily do multiscalar execution is to require the compiler to encode the dependency info in the assemly code. That way, you spend less compile-time resources on trying to determine what is related to what ... 03:57:04 --- join: lodda (lodda@80.143.247.11) joined #osdev 03:57:07 hey 03:57:25 if you put no dependency info everything is just done in parallel, which will be wrong most times;) 03:57:52 * dax is ripping a few cds 03:58:37 hmm 03:58:45 but still the rearranging of instructions is done by the processor 03:59:13 as usual, only that we make it easier for the processor ... 03:59:35 ... by indicating "this instruction depends on output from this" 03:59:47 hmm 03:59:59 conversely, by indicating nothing, we are saying "arrange the way you want" 04:00:02 i think the compiler should do all thework 04:00:30 I feel, if the compiler does all the work, it limits the choices the implementors have 04:00:50 for example, the compiler has to know the number and kind of execution units available 04:01:05 that die space could be used for a larger cache 04:01:15 or more pipelines 04:01:19 which should be something they can change later at will and still get optimal performance 04:01:36 or smp on a chip 04:01:41 air: ok,.. but can't we just simplify the process 04:01:54 air: IBMhas some arguments about the limitations of EPIC 04:03:10 air: and that's why it is not in Power4. Some things cannot fully be determined at compile time ... for me, I want something for which you have flexibility in implementation ... I don't know, anyway; just thoughts as I read :-) 04:04:03 the problem with epic is getting speed on a general perpose system 04:04:47 dax: why? once the compilers are there ... 04:05:41 yes, but the compilers are very hard... 04:05:56 even intel had/has some serious problems with 'm 04:06:18 also, the itanium performs good on specint/specfp, but what if you run a reallife thing on it? 04:06:20 webserver? 04:06:47 i prefer simplicity 04:07:42 I still favour a simple instruction set. very simple: load, store, move, add :-) hopefully simple stuff like that can be accelerated easily 04:08:00 I would want to know about micro-op formats; what they look like 04:08:02 risc 04:08:31 very long word stuff is used alot in DSPs and such 04:08:43 kinda hard to get it to deliver for general purpose 04:24:30 * oink . o O ( .. Day -1 .. ) 04:24:34 good morning :) 04:33:44 brb 04:33:56 go-od mo-rni-ng mi-ste-r pre-si-de-nt 04:37:04 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020929&mode=classic 04:38:16 another option will be to design high level languages that are not strictly sequential 04:38:49 for example: (a=1, b=2, c=3); (d=a+b+c, e=a-b-c); (f=e*d); 04:39:35 so, its like I say the arguments specified with commas may be xecuted concurrently if the compiler pleases.... just another one... 04:39:42 compiler/processor 04:43:58 yawn. 04:44:00 back 04:46:11 wb. 04:46:29 kinda bored... 04:48:28 dax: hmmm ... where do you work? 04:49:07 don't work 04:49:07 hmm 04:49:14 still in highschool 04:51:52 and daxos is just a stupid project 04:53:07 maybe i just need some other project 04:55:09 i just can't think of any original os ideas... 04:56:37 sorry, I was away (another desktop) 04:57:14 you need another project ... what about a while elephant project like mine? ;) 04:57:23 ? 04:57:48 whie elephant == impossible / very difficult / won't likely be achieved ;) 04:58:01 like daxos? 04:58:18 like mine, no-name CPU 04:58:24 --- join: trans (~trans@216.113.201.196) joined #osdev 04:58:46 hmm 04:59:02 i really really think xfree should be shot. 04:59:19 dax, continue thinking 04:59:26 dax: get the latest version 04:59:41 i got 4.2.0 04:59:44 it sucks big time 04:59:49 just like all the ones before it 04:59:57 how? 05:00:04 maybe its not well configured? 05:00:26 how can something of 500mb sourcecode be nice... heh 05:00:41 and X hogs memory 05:00:47 20-90% 05:03:18 it should be replaced 05:03:21 it's ancient 05:04:25 dax: source code, drivers, support 05:04:52 --- join: eks (~eks@h24-82-197-140.wp.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 05:05:16 eks :) 05:05:26 hello Robert 05:07:29 bah this sucks 05:08:35 nothing sucks more than running out of inspiration in the middle of the designing process... 05:08:56 go wack a bit and come back later ;) 05:09:05 nah 05:09:22 been trying to come up with something the past 3-4 weeks and i just can't 05:09:43 dax: I agree .. what is it you've been trying to come up with? 05:09:59 a design for my os 05:09:59 heh 05:11:10 can't think of an "original" design 05:13:34 i don't want it to be just another monolithic/microkernel 05:16:05 .. 05:16:06 anyone? 05:17:20 sorry 05:17:31 well, dax, that is the problem 05:17:51 hmm 05:17:53 so? 05:18:02 if it going to be different, _you_ decide wat will be different 05:18:22 if not, you might be like "ok, its dumped" or "i want to do this anyway" 05:19:45 hmm yea 05:19:57 --- join: lynx (~lynx@pD9544A02.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:20:01 the problem is deciding what to be different 05:20:02 and how 05:20:49 * seunosewa has a similar problem perhaps ... 05:21:25 perhaps ... because I am not intel and I can't guarantee that I would be able to get a chip that runs my ISA at a reasonable speed 05:21:29 like i got a basic idea... but i dunno if it would work out 05:21:49 my original intention for CPu design was (gasp) simplify OS development 05:22:12 now I have to reconsider my initial goals and it mind-boggling 05:23:34 i was thinking about something exokernel like 05:23:51 a really small kernel 05:23:57 everything stuffed into libraries 05:24:12 and some kind of mechanism to promote user code to kernel mode 05:25:23 --- join: okon (~cybermonk@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 05:25:30 hola! 05:25:38 but i don't think that would really work out 05:25:39 prolly not 05:26:13 promote user code to kernel code? 05:26:17 --- quit: lodda () 05:26:30 well... let user code run in ring 0 05:26:44 why? 05:26:54 speed, flexability 05:27:17 --- quit: okon (Client Quit) 05:27:34 but that seems a bit hard to do in a safe way 05:27:53 in real life programs, I don't see how that would be useful .. use cases? 05:28:15 well for the 'libOSes' it would be useful 05:28:27 libOses? 05:28:44 well as much as possible is moved to libraries like i said 05:29:05 so it might prove quite a setup if those libraries would be allowed to access the bare hardware 05:29:16 s/setup/speedup 05:29:34 sure. what new thing will you be able to do that you can't do today? 05:29:59 nothing really 05:30:00 heh 05:30:02 --- join: lodda (lodda@p508FE217.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:31:40 which is basicly why i'm not totaly happy with my design 05:32:02 well, its difficult to help ;) 05:32:47 yea i know 05:33:32 or maybe i just need to find something to speedup microkernels 05:33:50 the big problem with a microkernel is the ipc performance 05:33:58 whatever. the thinking process is educative even if your kernel doesn't beat microsoft 05:34:12 ipc will be a bottleneck on a microkernel... 05:34:19 but there has to be a way to get around it 05:34:32 page transfers? 05:34:44 eliminate copying when doing IPC? 05:34:53 been there done that 05:34:56 what is wrong with monolithic kernels in your opinion? 05:35:11 the design :) 05:35:35 its neat enough in my honest opinion ... and clean and fast, too 05:36:01 --- quit: stormbind (Connection timed out) 05:36:24 hmm 05:36:35 if done right 05:36:57 the only problem for me is that fact that you can't protect different modules from each other 05:37:09 yes that's a pretty big problem 05:37:18 e.g. drivers from scheduler from tcp stack 05:37:37 hmm 05:37:39 so every driver you load is a potential security risk 05:37:50 there has to be a "golden way inbetween" 05:37:51 hmm 05:37:52 I dont have problems with that 05:37:55 But the hardware provides a way round this 05:38:02 --- join: stormbind (~stormbind@pD9E6121A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:38:07 --- part: seunosewa left #osdev 05:38:15 hmm 05:38:33 that gave a bit of inspiration 05:38:33 brb 05:40:59 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 05:41:57 seunosewa: thx for the chat :) 05:41:59 closed the window mistakenly 05:42:19 ok. what are you going to do? 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06:38:36 hi all. 06:38:43 hej Zenton 06:39:57 anyone knows a url with good doc about framebuffers? 06:40:46 hmm no sorrie 06:40:49 sorry* 06:40:51 grr 06:40:54 stupid dutch spelling 06:41:30 :D 06:41:43 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 06:41:50 ;) 06:42:50 heya seunosewa! 06:43:02 hello dax! 06:44:26 * dax continues to think about his os 06:44:48 * seunosewa does the same with his intruction set arch 06:45:08 big thanks to you for that small chat 06:45:19 now i got some stuff to think about again :) 06:45:25 you welcome (-: 06:46:18 if i'ld go for the exokernelish design i proposed... it wouldn't be much different from a small kernel with modules you can insert into it 06:46:22 or alteast into the same addressspace 06:47:10 and if i would then let drivers run as threads... i would have a nice multithreading, and possibly fast kernel... would be relatively easy to implement too 06:47:46 drivers as threads? well I don't consider such stuf as easy ;) 06:48:11 and, driver <-> driver communication would be easy as they are all runing in the same address space 06:48:30 well, no protection between drivers 06:48:59 and we could just append the drivers to the kernel, so that we would have userspace until 0xf0000000, and kernek + drivers after that 06:49:07 kernel* 06:49:26 so we could have the drivers mapped in each address space... 06:49:38 aka fast ipc with drivers would be possible 06:50:15 the drivers would be mapped into user space? 06:50:32 hmm 06:50:36 no they are in kernel space 06:50:43 but you insert them in each address space 06:50:56 that would require much less address space switches 06:51:03 which are extremely expensive 06:51:29 omg if i would combine that with the previous concepts i had like multiplexed user address spaces and all.... 06:52:10 what language will the drivers be written in? 06:52:13 then i would have a relatively easy to implement, fast system that would eliminate the ipc bottleneck! 06:52:26 hmm whatever language you want basicly 06:52:31 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@216.135.11.234) joined #osdev 06:52:33 or maybe a safe language... 06:52:45 although i think it should be possible to do it with a reg one 06:52:57 and then only allow the root server to insert drivers 06:55:08 this doesn't seem like a bad idea... 06:57:02 hmm talking to myself again 06:57:13 that happens quite alot lately 06:57:17 hmm 06:57:23 anyone keeps statistics of this channel? 06:57:33 as in so many words for that user, so many for that etc 06:57:33 ? 06:58:22 * file waits for Linux to boot on his laptop 06:58:39 I upgraded it's kernel and it doesn't want to boot with this ramdisk image 06:59:02 ok so now i need a better slab allocator 06:59:44 RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 06:59:46 * file prays 06:59:52 --- quit: draq (Remote closed the connection) 07:00:17 great - no errors 07:07:45 dax? 07:08:18 --- join: txxt (taichi@dial-b3-59-86.telepac.pt) joined #osdev 07:18:08 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by ear") 07:27:45 --- join: mur (murina@simpukka.saunalahti.fi) joined #osdev 07:27:47 hey hey 07:28:01 murrrrr. 07:28:18 * mur is in the army 07:28:19 hey mur 07:28:23 now 07:28:37 uh.. defencive forces :) 07:29:07 hmm..well...army sux.... 07:29:30 but i can still irc here 07:29:33 though :) 07:29:39 i dont like it eeither 07:29:47 but theres not really anythign i can do 07:30:10 well, why are you in it then? that sounds a bit unlogical... 07:32:03 lodda, it's not optional, duhh! 07:33:28 brb 07:36:10 kiddiiiies 07:36:10 hmm 07:36:41 --- join: sliv3r (doc@phenix.rootshell.be) joined #osdev 07:37:11 --- quit: sliv3r (Client Quit) 07:37:40 --- quit: mur ("Leaving") 07:38:29 --- quit: lodda ("leaving") 07:40:19 anyone alive? 07:41:45 --- join: iraw (~ns@80.11.109.81) joined #osdev 07:41:49 hi 07:42:39 Hi there. 07:45:28 does someone know why the text area need to be set at offset 0x1000 in the booting process ? 07:45:56 i tried 0x0 but it works only when i compile with gcc/openbsd, neither freebsd nor linux gcc works 07:46:07 moo 07:46:22 (and erm.. sorry for my poor english) 07:47:17 * dax wonders how to write a small slab allocator 07:48:04 easy 07:48:12 slab it around a bit, and it works 07:48:16 ... 07:48:21 rico 07:48:25 dax 07:48:27 you really ought to get shot 07:48:31 for that kind of humor 07:48:32 :) 07:48:41 thanks for the compliment 07:49:02 * file downloads Zipslack 07:50:43 --- quit: txxt () 07:53:50 --- join: Stalky (~cms@ool-4352c2ce.dyn.optonline.net) joined #osdev 07:54:50 --- join: rakbladet (johan@h43n3c1o254.bredband.skanova.com) joined #osdev 08:01:48 iraw: the text area ? 08:01:53 iraw: the data segment you mean ? 08:02:25 yes, where the bootloader jumps to 08:03:21 I thought it was 0x7c00 .. 08:04:11 dax, answer him :p 08:04:17 should segment 0x07C0 08:04:36 right, 0x07c0 08:05:11 ok, trying again.. 08:08:12 thanks, it works :) 08:08:23 :> 08:09:51 --- quit: harly- ("BitchX: use it, it makes you bulletproof") 08:10:25 btw, 0x07c0 is just the address where the boot sector is loaded in memory, 08:10:59 --- nick: ctkrohn -> ctkrohn|away 08:11:09 --- join: acme (acme@p50809BFF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 08:11:12 --- join: Ubel (~Ubel@62.145.133.49) joined #osdev 08:17:41 --- quit: rakbladet () 08:22:26 --- join: I440r (~mark4@67.241.42.207) joined #osdev 08:28:18 --- nick: gpf`afk -> gpf 08:34:38 --- quit: acme (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:35:17 --- join: Jimferd (~idegokum@24-205-234-118.slo-cres.charterpipeline.net) joined #osdev 08:35:31 Good morning, gents 08:35:43 Hi 08:36:01 hi there 08:36:23 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@207.88.126.213) joined #osdev 08:36:55 --- part: Amon-Re left #osdev 08:37:04 --- join: Amon-Re (ddefreyne@D5E0E6D5.kabel.telenet.be) joined #osdev 08:37:07 wb 08:37:12 wb 08:38:26 * file has a question 08:38:48 --- join: rakbladet (johan@h227n7c1o254.bredband.skanova.com) joined #osdev 08:38:50 We folk be listening. 08:39:06 hehe 08:39:11 not that i could help much 08:39:20 how can I see information about a card in Linux when I insert it? (PCMCIA of course) 08:39:31 It should detect it when it inits 08:39:42 then it will ask you if you have drivers or 08:39:47 I know that 08:39:47 if you want to use a linux native one 08:39:58 but I want to see info when I put it in during operation 08:40:04 then you will be able to meander a gander @ linuxconf 08:40:27 Uh... you mean you want to be installing PCI cards while you have to box booted 08:41:44 this is a PCMCIA card 08:41:51 it's plug and play... 08:42:14 now dont get me wrong, 08:42:20 but you are on a laptop, right? 08:42:24 yes' 08:42:27 of course 08:42:29 Do you have X 08:42:33 no 08:42:33 just makin sure 08:42:35 console only 08:42:39 o 08:42:50 that could be a little more tricky 08:43:01 why? 08:43:04 Cus i know you can do it in KDE pretty easily. 08:43:17 I've never used PNP in the linux console 08:43:24 ive used usb and other bus devices 08:43:32 once or twice 08:43:41 if it's a supported device I see it in /var/lib/pcmcia/stab 08:43:44 but otherwise it's not there 08:43:52 well. 08:44:00 did you look in linuxconf 08:44:21 try plugging it in 08:44:22 where is linuxconf? 08:44:26 then running linuxconf 08:44:43 bleh 08:44:47 do you have to laptop near you and on rite now? 08:44:50 mmm 08:45:00 Say, brb 08:45:09 Ill go check my book 08:45:13 --- quit: file () 08:45:13 and tell ya how 08:48:50 how woud 08:50:47 --- join: huntrckr (~huntrckr@myr53-01-p199.gt.saix.net) joined #osdev 08:51:18 hi 08:51:39 © 08:52:28 hihi ppl 08:52:30 :) 08:52:35 hi there 08:52:48 ¿ Como se llama ? 08:53:12 ¹º 08:53:17 ok enuff alt codes 08:55:08 --- join: ChillySpy2 (ChillySpy@ppp128.ppp3.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 08:55:30 An imposter! 08:56:14 haha 08:56:19 no ... same one 08:56:29 --- join: lodda (Lothar@80.143.221.10) joined #osdev 08:56:57 u see 08:57:56 er ic 08:58:45 --- nick: gpf -> gpf`afk 09:00:50 say, what does cr0 do? 09:00:55 in assembla 09:02:02 --- join: file (Administra@mctn1-0133.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 09:02:06 sorry - ADSL link dropped 09:02:08 wb 09:02:13 thanks 09:02:13 dont you love it 09:02:17 hehe 09:02:25 my line is at 544, and it should be 1600 09:02:35 wow 09:02:42 anyhoo 09:02:46 so something is wrong... but I don't want to call as it may be something here - and that would be a $50 charge 09:02:58 he guess 09:02:59 what 09:03:07 I build an mp3 box 09:03:08 what what what 09:03:10 neat 09:03:13 installed win2k on it 09:03:18 bad, very bad 09:03:19 got the sound drivers working finally 09:03:22 y 09:03:23 ya 09:03:27 but heres the catch 09:03:37 the lan drivers stopped working after i got the sound working 09:03:45 so i call microsoft, into the belly of the beast 09:03:53 and I can have some tech support 09:03:58 for $1225 09:04:01 and you pay for this I guess ? 09:04:01 HAH 09:04:10 * file isn't surprised 09:04:11 install lunix >:) 09:04:12 or $255 for one incedent 09:04:19 I love linux 09:04:28 more than my own mother 09:04:29 Jimferd: let me guess - simple I/O port or IRQ conflict? 09:04:37 Never fixed it 09:04:42 wow 09:04:42 Have no idea 09:04:45 that was last night tho 09:04:48 --- nick: ctkrohn|away -> ctkrohn 09:04:51 Jimferd: what mobo ? 09:04:59 * file frowns upon his own conundrum 09:05:10 --- quit: indigo ("aaaagh!") 09:05:11 Say, anyone have any ideas? 09:05:17 I would go for linux 09:05:23 I'm going to disconnect all my telephone lines and get them to run a signal test 09:05:25 but i want to do some file sharing (yay!) 09:05:42 and Ive never gotten sound and linux to make sweet sweet love 09:05:44 so im stuck 09:05:54 With winblows 09:06:20 I'll bbl 09:06:27 okdoeky 09:06:29 see ya 09:06:57 well oink, any ideas? 09:07:13 Jimferd: you didn't answer, what motherboard ? :) 09:07:25 o 09:07:32 Its an old Intel Motheboard 09:07:42 but im using a Novell Netware Ethernet Adapter. 09:07:44 buy a new mobo, 09:07:51 and you got your problem fixed >:) 09:07:52 Thats not the problem 09:07:59 --- quit: ChillySpy2 () 09:08:03 cus its worked before 09:08:14 and cus winblows says the device is working properly 09:08:20 and cus I can lo ping myself 09:08:35 could be an IRQ conflict or something 09:08:48 only have one lan card 09:08:58 and ive never dealt with IRQ in my life 09:09:24 try swapping your pci cards from their slots 09:09:29 --- quit: ChillySpy (No route to host) 09:09:48 would windows bitch if i did? 09:10:15 assuming i have the box off? 09:10:22 well ... :) 09:10:26 --- join: indigo (indigo@bgp01105107bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 09:10:28 I don't know much about windows 09:10:42 ive used win2k for oh 4 hours total 09:10:49 i dont link windoZe 09:11:15 like 09:11:32 i can lo ping my self tho... is that a good sign? 09:12:27 * Jimferd begins unscrewing the case to his old P2 233 64MB RAM MP3 Jukebox 09:13:00 * Jimferd exclaims, "A 2 and a 4 gig hard drive!? What techknowledgy!" 09:13:25 on Linux, lo is a local *virtual* device, it doesn't have anything to do with NICs 09:13:37 so, no it won't help you much :) 09:18:08 --- join: bono (~bono@modemcable202.3-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 09:18:09 --- quit: Jimferd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:18:20 --- join: Jimferd (~idegokum@24-205-234-118.slo-cres.charterpipeline.net) joined #osdev 09:18:46 sorry about that 09:19:18 hey does anyone know how to get an irc bot to kick 09:19:23 not on badwords 09:19:31 but make him kick 09:19:35 for you 09:19:41 instead of you having to do it? 09:25:07 --- quit: file (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:28:46 --- quit: Stalky ("Tak ah wan! Can de lach!") 09:31:03 i have fat!! 09:31:19 wow 09:31:35 its like a whole different me 09:32:59 eheh 09:33:31 ? 09:33:34 you have fat? 09:34:17 All kinds 09:34:19 yeah on my abdomen 09:34:24 FAT, FAT32, and Fatty 09:34:28 me 2 09:34:29 i can even grab it 09:34:33 im 6'4, 230 09:34:44 plenty fo extra 09:35:04 care for some/ 09:35:20 hehe 09:35:33 hell, i got stretch marks 09:35:37 want any of those 09:35:46 i can grab my belly in thouasands of places 09:35:57 hum 09:36:05 * trans is grously underweight 09:36:08 i have a cat on my lap 2 09:36:19 uhhh 09:36:21 nice trans 09:36:25 im grously over weight 09:36:29 i know 09:36:36 you give me some of your underwieght 09:36:39 eat less smoke more .. like they say 09:36:44 and ill give you some of my overweight 09:36:48 trans : like what? 09:36:52 then we will just be normal 09:36:58 trans : i am like 181m@66kg 09:37:10 uhh? 09:37:11 66 kg? 09:37:15 .... 09:37:17 yeah 09:37:20 2.2 lbs 09:37:23 about 130 09:37:28 180 cm and 66 kg? 09:37:29 anad 181mm 09:37:32 uh 09:37:33 ahh 09:37:33 ok 09:37:36 hehe 181 mm 09:37:42 you are fat then 09:37:53 what does that translate into inches by 09:37:55 Ubel : 1.81m 09:38:13 so about er 90 inches tall 09:38:13 Jimferd : devide 180 by 2.25 09:38:14 175cm@45kg 09:38:17 o ok 09:38:20 trans : eek 09:38:33 45kg.. 09:38:37 =) 09:38:40 can't believe you :) 09:38:40 --- join: corsairk8 (~Stealthy@pc-62-30-121-110-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 09:38:41 trans : don`t you eat enough? 09:38:52 no 09:38:57 --- join: revanthn (~revanthn@203.129.127.18) joined #osdev 09:39:02 i snack a lot 09:39:07 oink : jest because you weight more than 4 times of it@ 1.50 m 09:39:12 hi guys 09:39:16 I'm 186cm - 70Kg and not even a gramm of fat :\ 09:39:20 lynx: not really :) 09:39:26 oink : like me :P 09:39:32 # 09:39:33 ! 09:39:33 but i just don't have much af an appetite 09:39:34 @ 09:39:45 trans : i know that 09:39:49 well 09:39:53 gab: !@#!!#!@ 09:40:03 je dois aller au Burger King 09:40:08 lynx: vraiment ? 09:40:11 salut 09:40:12 lynx: have a nice lunch :) 09:40:16 oink : ouais... 09:40:21 oink : merci bien :) 09:40:27 i think they use MSG 09:40:30 *poof* 09:40:33 *thunder* 09:40:37 *bye* 09:40:48 i always have a poo poo after BK 09:40:57 trans ? :) 09:41:16 nice whoppers but at a price 09:41:32 oink: how are you little suckah ? 09:41:35 ach shit 09:41:44 gab: fine, what about you ? 09:41:44 i have to finish my ps2 register/memory map 09:41:51 oink: ill 09:41:55 awww 09:41:57 a sunday 09:41:59 how bad :\ 09:42:15 'got it yesterday night while I was in a party 09:42:22 sudden fever 09:42:26 a party !@?# 09:42:29 back home short after 09:42:32 and I wasn't invited :| 09:42:48 http://deepimpact.umd.edu/ 09:43:02 uhoh. 09:44:16 guys does any one have any idea what will be the investment needed to setup a CD creating plant 09:47:22 that's one of things I think about every day 09:48:54 revanthn: make all the production equipment from junk and set it up in your basement 09:49:00 *free* 09:49:05 =) 09:51:11 good joke 09:51:21 it's easy for you to say 09:51:23 i wasn't joking 09:51:50 setting up in the basement is not a easy task that's what i meant 09:52:28 did any of guys installed freebsd from a dos partition 09:53:25 well real estate is different everywhere so i couldn't tell you how cheap you could get space for 09:54:53 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@1Cust52.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 09:56:51 --- quit: revanthn () 09:59:02 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.143) joined #osdev 10:02:57 --- join: revanthn (~revanthn@203.129.127.18) joined #osdev 10:08:35 --- join: Lothar_ (Lothar@80.143.242.46) joined #osdev 10:11:15 --- quit: I440r (No route to host) 10:15:51 --- join: Spindle (~Harris@12-249-145-77.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 10:15:53 i installed redhat but my internet does not work? i have a cable modem, where do i go in the control center to fix this? 10:16:32 --- quit: Spindle (Client Quit) 10:17:33 --- quit: lodda (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: Lothar_!Lothar@80.143.242.46))) 10:17:37 --- nick: Lothar_ -> lodda 10:17:46 hi lodda 10:17:54 hrmm 10:18:40 --- join: file (proxy@156.34.184.251) joined #osdev 10:18:49 --- join: Lothar_ (Lothar@p508FDA7B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 10:18:54 --- quit: Lothar_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:19:48 --- quit: lodda (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: Lothar_!Lothar@80.143.218.123))) 10:20:12 --- join: lodda (Lothar@80.143.218.123) joined #osdev 10:20:21 --- quit: rakbladet (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:25:15 MMM 10:25:16 I say, I say 10:26:58 mmm 10:28:30 --- quit: I440r_ (No route to host) 10:42:50 hey guys i just spend 1:27:54 on the phone with Linksys 10:42:59 and it still wasnt fiXed 10:43:27 Thank you Linksys! 10:43:40 --- quit: Jimferd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:44:24 --- join: Jimferd (~idegokum@24-205-234-118.slo-cres.charterpipeline.net) joined #osdev 10:44:28 sorry 10:45:00 did you get charged? 10:45:27 If I did im bashing in "Woody's" head, 10:45:52 Or firing a STD from a cannon at him. 10:46:04 anyhoo 10:46:11 file did you get the pcmia card werken 10:46:59 on tha linix box 10:47:00 Jimferd: it never worked have worked LOL - it was unsupported and I knew it 10:47:06 er would have worked 10:47:14 I just wanted to see what it spit out on startup 10:48:22 hmm 10:49:02 I'm downloading GCC right now 10:49:06 then Roaring Penguin 10:49:25 heh 10:50:01 y0 10:50:40 --- quit: revanthn () 10:52:57 Big LAN party over at my local college 10:53:15 But I dont think I can Bullshit my parents to let me go :( 10:53:16 no cal poly 10:54:55 lan parties are boring anyway 10:55:11 I wouldnt know 10:55:16 I only run 3 pcs on a lan 10:56:18 and only 2 of em are up to snuff 10:56:39 hey anyone here want a Free ASUS K7M and AMD Athalon 700? 10:57:15 Honestly\ 10:57:16 I cant give this hunk a shit away. 10:57:56 mk 10:57:59 * Jimferd shrugs 10:58:05 Just thought I would try. 10:58:06 anybody know how to use asm in turbo-c? 10:58:09 --- quit: file () 10:58:12 hehe 10:58:17 turbo c scares me 10:58:24 but i sort of know how to use it 10:58:36 Miracle C, man 10:58:39 www.c-compiler.com 10:58:56 helluva lot better compiler 10:58:59 even has a gui 10:59:40 adidas, adidaf 10:59:59 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:00:11 well i g2g 11:00:17 hmm 11:00:26 --- quit: Jimferd ("Error Code: 666 IRC fucked by SaTaN") 11:07:04 --- join: DRF (~daniel@host213-121-70-126.surfport24.v21.co.uk) joined #osdev 11:13:28 --- join: thefall (i@AC9DC851.ipt.aol.com) joined #osdev 11:13:53 Hi thefall 11:14:23 --- part: thefall left #osdev 11:15:54 anyone knows the email of jimferd? 11:16:00 i want his athlon :P 11:16:36 Sorry never even heard of him 11:16:50 oh, he was on not many minutes ago, honey 11:16:57 --- join: kaze (~Kaze_0mx@bordeaux-2-a8-62-147-55-91.dial.proxad.net) joined #osdev 11:16:57 drf : what`s cookin? 11:17:46 I'm good, you? 11:20:28 Jimferd should come back 11:20:41 i have a few questions to miracle C.... 11:20:57 DRF : yeah, fine , too althought i have to do this shitload of homework now 11:21:36 I really need to get on with my homework as well at some point in the very near future. 11:21:49 kaze >:) 11:21:55 --- quit: Ubel () 11:22:06 DRF : that is EXACTLY what i am thinking now 11:23:18 lol, well I have Philosophy, Geology and possibly Computing if I can be bothered :( 11:26:23 eh 11:26:49 i have to do math, physik , english, history, bbiology and elo today :( 11:26:56 much to learn much to write 11:26:57 :( 11:26:59 well i go 11:27:01 cya later 12:57:24 --- log: started osdev/02.09.29 12:57:24 --- join: clog (nef@206.63.100.249) joined #osdev 12:57:24 --- topic: 'Operating System DEVelopment www.osdev.org || links: qzx.com/lib , onee-san.net , www.osdev.com.ar || stats/people: bespin.org/~qz/irc || http://www.osjournal.hopto.org || I'm not designed to be part of a partnership' 12:57:24 --- topic: set by air on [Thu Sep 26 15:54:23 2002] 12:57:24 --- names: list (clog logos lodda HeavyJoost trans wossname dax AboryM Okiesmokie toby oink sludge gpf`afk Robert Divine Zenton eirikn ctkrohn slowcoder Magik Rico wli air eks lynx stormbind asmodeus seunosewa Amon-Re huntrckr indigo bono corsairk8 Mathis gab Spindle[Editor] lar1 iraw) 12:58:20 i am getting disconnected the whole day 12:58:43 >> 12:58:44 -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. 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Apologies for the inconvenience. 12:58:46 << 12:59:26 --- nick: ctkrohn -> ctkrohn|away 13:00:15 --- join: nbsp (g@ip68-14-60-55.no.no.cox.net) joined #osdev 13:00:22 hmm.. 13:05:10 bye 13:07:33 --- quit: logos () 13:08:17 so much guys in here and nobody answers :( 13:08:43 byebye 13:09:24 --- quit: seunosewa (Remote closed the connection) 13:10:35 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:14:09 --- quit: Amon-Re () 13:17:58 me R s0 durmn sexy 13:19:46 --- join: darkito (darkito@62-36-151-194.dialup.uni2.es) joined #osdev 13:21:13 Hi xD 13:22:40 how do i enable DCHP in redhat? 13:23:02 Spindle: by looking for some docs to read where it can be done 13:23:14 pff 13:23:24 --- nick: Spindle[Editor] -> Spindle 13:23:42 I know this way is too hard for you 13:23:51 do you want me to do it for you? 13:24:18 yup 13:24:18 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@gc-nas-01-s116.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 13:24:45 please send me your RedHat distribution 13:24:52 per package delivery 13:24:56 k whats your e-mail? 13:25:04 no, real mail 13:25:21 daddy won't let me send stuff to strangers 13:25:32 whats your e-mail? 13:25:47 I wont check my email for min 4 month 13:25:54 huh 13:26:10 going to move to a place where I wont have access to inet 13:27:09 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #osdev 13:28:31 maybe I should simply fly to you at home 13:28:45 serious? 13:29:08 Spindle: how old are you? 13:29:13 15 13:29:19 hmm 13:29:37 i sometimes wonder if that's also the average age of this room 13:29:52 probably 13:30:42 gn all. 13:30:50 9196 lines... daxos is growing once again 13:31:50 whats in it so far? 13:32:29 Mathis when ya coming over? 13:33:34 --- join: orochi (~orochi@130.245.203.204) joined #osdev 13:34:01 how old is everyone in here? 13:34:04 15 13:34:08 Spindle: go and make it yourself 13:34:15 what? 13:34:20 anyone working on an OSP project? 13:34:22 solving your problem 13:34:28 some people obviously havea problem with sarcasm 13:34:28 osp? 13:34:43 aww poop i thought you were gonna help me oh well 13:34:54 go to #redhat? 13:35:03 Spindle: you're a dumbass :D 13:35:11 Spindle: if everyone would solve your problem would you then learn anything? 13:35:17 hehe.... 13:35:30 its a java operating system sim, mostly used in comp sci intro os classes 13:35:42 ah... 13:35:48 gn everyone 13:35:54 school tomorrow... grr 13:36:03 sure i would mathis i would learn from you 13:36:26 Spindle: if everyone else except yourself would solve your problems, then you would NEVER learn anything 13:37:03 you wouldnt learn from me 13:37:18 coz I would do it that fast that you wouldnt even see WHAT I'm doing 13:37:26 mathis: do it slowly. 13:37:32 I wont 13:37:38 you evil, evil man! 13:37:45 --- join: Carbone (Carbone@213.233.74.84) joined #osdev 13:37:47 lol 13:37:49 hello 13:37:53 no, just PURE evil 13:38:00 PURE, eh? 13:38:16 spindle: undiluted evil will never help you 13:38:29 ahh 13:38:48 only the docs and the 'fm' can help you. 13:39:01 --- join: poseidon (Shatai@24.70.159.4) joined #osdev 13:39:43 if I cant find the solve myself (for example reading manuals, experimenting) then I try to find it on the web, if it's not there too, then and only then I ask someone here 13:40:08 well its now and only now 13:40:26 hrm 13:40:41 I think I know the answer to your problem, Mathis. 13:40:46 You are gay. 13:41:05 --- join: fuschia (M@65.160.114.135) joined #osdev 13:41:07 well said poseidon 13:41:13 =) 13:41:24 Spindle: hes trying to say: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=RTFM 13:41:31 poseidon: how you wanna know that? are you god? 13:41:44 ;) Blissfully answering questions since 1964 13:41:54 hehe 13:41:56 Mathis: No, I'm Miss Cleo.. http://www.mindandspirit.com 13:42:13 It would appear the better business bureau has shut down my fortune telling site 13:42:18 but if you say what I HAVE TO BE... 13:42:24 then you must be my BOSS 13:42:34 and the only BOSS I have is GOD 13:42:44 Miss Cleo is many things to many people 13:42:48 I may be God if you wish. 13:42:59 can miss cleo be the devil? 13:43:17 *pat wossname on head* A very good question 13:43:21 Miss Cleo can be any Christian figure. 13:44:09 can miss cleo be the horned one? 13:44:28 Yes. 13:44:28 could miss cleo be hercules? 13:44:32 the pecs, too? 13:44:46 --- quit: fuschia (Client Quit) 13:44:46 Okay, this is just getting sad now 13:44:59 alright. my line of questioning ends. 13:45:11 tell me my future 13:45:23 You will soon meet a gentleman.. 13:45:32 wait a second 13:45:36 ok 13:45:39 are you male or female? God's mind is congested 13:45:46 I can't see through the fog 13:45:55 i am 'male' 13:46:15 i understand, god. you know everything, so you have difficulty remembering things 13:46:25 --- quit: Okiesmokie () 13:46:53 Alright, sorry, sorry, my mistake.. you will soon meet a large, hairy female who eats rodents.. You will have two dozen children. 13:47:00 Each named after members of the English royal family 13:47:09 wow, maybe i should just shoot myself now 13:47:21 --- join: [Mathis] (Mathis@gstw-d9b89f22.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 13:47:37 <[Mathis]> re 13:47:44 --- join: rakbladet (johan@h183n7c1o254.bredband.skanova.com) joined #osdev 13:47:46 wb 13:47:52 if you attempt to shoot yourself, you will miss; the police will get you and you will be repeatedly anally intrduded by large men in jail 13:48:07 Either way, it's a lose lose scenario 13:48:25 <[Mathis]> dunno what you're talking about 13:48:38 Sorry Mathis, wossname is asking for fortune telling 13:48:42 I am predicting his future 13:48:59 i think if i want to shoot myself, i won't miss. 13:49:00 <[Mathis]> ah, poseidon IS god 13:49:05 what if i jump off the cn tower? 13:49:22 you will be anally intruded by large men as you fall 13:49:25 don't ask how. 13:49:27 It is the will of God. 13:49:28 anyone know about OSP 13:49:34 <[Mathis]> poseidon IS GOD!!!! 13:49:51 *cue a guy running around yelling HALLALUJAH between all of my predictions* 13:50:38 ;p 13:51:06 <[Mathis]> poseidon can predict the future 13:51:15 <[Mathis]> so he MUST be god 13:51:32 Wossname, do you have stairs in your house? 13:51:34 <[Mathis]> he can safely say someone is something without knowing him/her 13:51:37 <[Mathis]> so he MUST be god 13:51:45 yes, i am protected 13:51:51 *an almost spiritual, but wise and peaceful nod at Mathis* 13:51:52 --- quit: iraw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:52:01 doh... i thought this was osdev 13:52:23 wossname: Shoving is the answer. 13:52:38 --- quit: toby (Remote closed the connection) 13:52:43 * wossname completes the holy rituals by pushing poseidon 13:52:43 <[Mathis]> god, tell me, am I gay? 13:52:53 <[Mathis]> do I really have to be? 13:53:00 ... The magic eight ball says... 13:53:03 --- part: orochi left #osdev 13:53:05 "Almost certainly" 13:53:34 * orochi has left #osdev ("I like core dumps") 13:53:36 Hrm 13:53:46 hahaha 13:53:58 fighting on IRC is gay!! mathis is fighting therrfore gay 13:54:09 <[Mathis]> so poseidon, why dont you solve Spindles problem? 13:54:15 What is Spindle's problem? 13:54:20 (the fog) 13:54:24 <[Mathis]> god is ASKING??? 13:54:41 <[Mathis]> the wisest wisdom is ASKING?!? 13:54:46 poseidon figured it out.. i needed to do su - instead of su 13:55:15 Well, I guess you don't get a life-impacting prediction; then. 13:55:16 Sad :( 13:55:23 Mathis questions the powers that be 13:55:24 next time 13:55:27 Have faith, Mathis 13:55:37 wwell said 13:55:44 --- join: iraw (~ns@193.252.174.21) joined #osdev 13:55:55 ;) 13:56:05 <[Mathis]> I wasnt programmed to believe 13:56:17 --- join: Ghiottone (~alex@151.27.19.117) joined #osdev 13:56:28 You were however, programmed to be gay. That much is known. 13:56:34 =) 13:56:56 <[Mathis]> so I'm the first bot programmed being gay, any other parameters? 13:57:07 Hmm.. 13:57:14 <[Mathis]> maybe adopting some idiotic parameters? 13:57:14 Sadomaso? 13:57:30 --- quit: rakbladet () 13:57:33 Mathis; you also enjoy being sodomized by men wearing construction hats. 13:57:52 * Spindle gonna have to agree on this one 13:57:56 <[Mathis]> I just look at ONE BIG idi, yo 13:58:39 I'm sorry to depart so soon, but I have another IRC network to invade.. In closing: No hard feelings, Mathis. You just asked the first question :P. Spindle: Thanks :P. I think. 13:58:51 good day, mr. poseidon 13:59:00 God wishes long life on you all. 13:59:02 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@212.151.33.224) joined #osdev 13:59:04 may good fortunes await your pointless invasions 13:59:04 <[Mathis]> poseidon can think, wow 13:59:05 Er 13:59:08 I don't mean wish.. 13:59:09 plan ;) 13:59:15 <[Mathis]> what a foolish thingy 13:59:32 --- quit: AboryM (Remote closed the connection) 13:59:42 <[Mathis]> to be arrogant is a great parameter 13:59:44 --- quit: poseidon () 14:00:08 uh oh god died 14:00:34 nope he just taking a nap 14:00:37 <[Mathis]> go to Stovokorr 14:01:20 i have a question 14:01:29 <[Mathis]> naaah crap! 14:02:08 i downloaded linux-0.0.01 kernel , but .s files are in a strange format 14:02:10 <[Mathis]> Carbone: ask 14:02:23 amd nasm or as86 dosn't understand then 14:02:42 <[Mathis]> gas should understand .s files 14:02:56 in the Makefile ... the must be compiled with gas 14:02:59 yes 14:03:13 but RedHat 7.2 dosn't have gas 14:03:31 i realize thet i need : gas,gar and gld 14:04:08 so ... where can i find this compiler ? 14:04:13 <[Mathis]> gas should be installed, coz gcc is using it 14:04:25 <[Mathis]> www.gnu.org has every g-program 14:04:34 --- quit: Mathis (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:04:49 --- quit: Ghiottone ("Uscita dal client") 14:04:52 --- nick: [Mathis] -> Mathis 14:05:22 [meduza@phenix meduza]$ gas 14:05:22 bash: gas: command not found 14:05:24 :( 14:05:53 --- quit: corsairk8 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:05:55 Carbone how did you you get the internet to work on redhat 14:05:58 then install it 14:06:26 --- join: rakbladet (johan@217.208.164.66) joined #osdev 14:06:34 im'n on windows now 14:06:41 but RH wors fine on internet 14:06:52 Mathis > waht is the paket name ? 14:07:09 because i have installed : gcc,cc,nasm,as,as86,ld,ld86 14:07:39 Carbone: maybe it's as then 14:08:10 it is as 14:08:12 i looked at kernl 2.2.4 and it is compiled with as 14:08:17 wait a min. 14:08:24 why are you compiling the first kernel? 14:09:09 can you generate real mode kernel code witg gcc? 14:09:23 rakbladet: no 14:09:33 maybe you can, but we wont 14:09:39 | 1.44Mb disks: 14:09:39 sectors = 18 14:09:39 | 1.2Mb disks: 14:09:48 this is a paste from boot.s 14:09:55 in linux-0.0.01 :) 14:10:12 mov ax,#0x0001 14:10:20 as use %eax for registyers 14:10:27 so ... it seens like nasm 14:10:54 whatever Makefile uses, you need to have it installed 14:11:19 --- join: file (proxy@156.34.178.71) joined #osdev 14:11:30 yes 14:11:47 makefile in 2.2.4 use AS and makefile in 0.0.01 use GAS 14:11:50 if Makefile wants nasm, install it (if not done) 14:11:59 so then install gas 14:12:10 and i'm trying to copile linux.0.01 on a RedHat7.2 system 14:12:27 eks??? 14:12:38 bah he's gone 14:12:49 file? 14:13:00 wow he's here 14:13:05 eheh 14:13:11 eks: I think I figured out my problem! it's the phone jack in my room 14:13:26 Carbone: I dont see your problem 14:13:31 eheh, what ya gonna do? run a wire from the kitchen? :P 14:13:38 eks: if I go downstairs I get up to 500kbps (still not the 900kbps normal) but here I get 250kbps 14:13:47 eks: hehe, I'm getting a technician to call out and check 14:14:13 :) 14:14:38 er to come out 14:16:00 mmm 14:16:04 * file thinks 14:17:10 can i erase a file i have opened in C? 14:17:26 --- quit: darkito (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:17:30 yip 14:17:35 you can't erase me! 14:17:38 I won't let you! 14:17:39 but the file won't be deleted until it is "closed" 14:18:10 how do i erase? 14:18:24 I've got homework I should do... BLEH 14:18:26 i need a temp file that i can write to, copy to another file, erase and repeat 14:18:50 air: fseek to start of file, close it, reopen 14:19:04 or you can simply reopen a new file with "write+read" instead of "read+write" 14:19:06 is that the only way? 14:19:10 it will automatically delete the old one 14:19:43 there are dozens of ways :p 14:20:06 isnt there something like ferase()? 14:20:11 there's temporary file support in the c standard, isn't there? 14:20:30 my linux router box might come tomorrow... yeah 14:20:31 wossname: yes but i dont need that kinda temp support 14:20:47 tmpfile 14:20:50 int remove(const char *pathname); 14:20:51 ah, ok 14:21:05 remove - delete a name and possibly the file it refers to 14:21:13 eks: that would require me to close/reopn the file 14:21:28 air: there are 2 ways if you plan on re-using the file right away: 14:21:37 hey ... on GNU webpage at GAS howto they say it is AS 14:21:44 arg? 14:21:45 1.) close, reopen with write+read 14:21:47 amd with as i can't compile that file 14:22:05 2.) close, delete, reopen with read+write 14:22:09 http://www.gnu.org/manual/gas-2.9.1/html_mono/as.html 14:22:25 damnit 14:22:36 --- quit: cookin (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:23:11 there goes my net connection 14:23:23 --- quit: file () 14:23:42 air: you could also use freopen() if you absolutely want to use the same FILE* 14:26:52 i was hoping there was an erase function 14:29:13 maybe you can call fwrite with a negative nmemb ;) 14:30:50 --- join: logos (inv@68.61.176.85) joined #osdev 14:32:14 eks ! 14:32:18 keksmeks 14:34:14 --- nick: ctkrohn|away -> ctkrohn 14:35:31 --- quit: Mathis (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:37:24 hello lynxinou 14:37:55 eks : w00 14:38:37 what's up my chocolate cherry? 14:38:55 * lynx horny 14:39:01 lol 14:39:04 you guess what`s up 14:39:15 besides that i am trying to do homework 14:39:27 ah, yeah... i am starting on a ps2 lib 14:39:42 and i ordered electronic parts for my graduation paper 14:39:47 else than that, nothing 14:39:54 bought some new vinyl though :P 14:40:00 good 14:40:06 got any new recorded session? 14:40:12 nope 14:40:14 last one I heard date from like.. couple months back 14:40:14 well 14:40:17 you would like it 14:40:34 i am probably ordering a new mixer 14:40:49 then i can record it somewhere 14:40:55 :) 14:40:57 the new stuff i have is gorgeous 14:41:02 what happened to your old mixer? 14:41:08 its crap 14:41:23 lol 14:41:25 you can`t record anythign without hearing the clicking noises of the faders 14:41:35 which is rather annoying 14:41:58 i sent some of my scratches to some mexican hip hop dude 14:42:13 and he said like "nice technique and such, but your mixer sucks" 14:42:34 you even see it when you look at the waveforms 14:42:48 lolol 14:43:02 oh well, what kinda mixer you thinking of getting? 14:43:12 the best thing is that i fragged my hifi system :/ 14:43:42 eks : some quite epxensive one which i will have to pay in err parts (waht is the reight expression for that?) 14:44:02 eks : ecler hak 360 14:44:11 it is the most massive dj/battle mixer 14:44:14 hrm.. 14:44:16 prolly the best one 14:44:25 in payments? 14:44:26 for a ""fair"" price 14:44:29 eks : yeah 14:44:30 how much does it cost? 14:44:34 680e 14:44:47 it uses inductive faders 14:45:26 and you can basically add curve control to all faders and you have hamsterswitches everywhere 14:45:27 cool 14:45:39 also 3 band EQ and hrmmm FX send&return 14:45:42 lol@hamsterswitches 14:45:46 :P 14:45:52 well that`s the name for it 14:45:52 hamsterswitches for a wealselscratcher! 14:45:56 ;) 14:46:16 looks like a damn nice mixer 14:46:26 i have a sample on vinyl saying in german "alles was nicht hardcore ist wird gedisst" 14:46:33 eks : you found a pic of it? 14:46:38 it`s ssssexy 14:47:08 i have some wicked style vinyl set now 14:47:13 it is not much but very unique 14:47:22 sounds like some space drum/bass with soulstuff 14:47:28 kinda jazzy somehow 14:47:38 http://www.djservice.com/site/produkte/Ecler/360/Hak360.html 14:48:38 679,00E hrm.. 14:51:18 you know.. if you could get me some of your scratches.. maybe I could find a bar in town that would pay your trip over here to scratch a night :p 14:54:42 hrm 14:54:59 sounds delicious 14:55:03 but i dont think i am that good 14:55:29 i think when i got the new mixer i will record some nice sessions and put them somewhere to download them 14:56:10 eks : how is your djembe going? 14:56:58 awesome 14:57:07 getting some weaselhandtricks going 14:57:19 I know like 20 different rythms 14:57:24 from all over the world 14:58:04 ohh :) 14:58:10 i wanna hear that 14:58:14 I'm building a new harness for my drum today ^^ 14:58:24 harness = ? 14:58:26 with an african leopard motif tissue :PP 14:58:33 straps to hold the drum 14:58:36 lol 14:58:38 fancy 14:58:41 ja :P 14:58:50 strapse frn eks 14:58:55 I will only miss the leaf to hide my sex and I'll be ready for the stage ;) 14:59:07 lolol 14:59:09 >:) 15:00:43 ok 15:00:47 gotta do some more homework 15:06:50 eks : do you feel like leanring some mips asm?` 15:08:49 hrm.. not atm no 15:11:27 Is SPIM worth playing around with? 15:12:36 ... 15:12:43 is that a serious question? 15:12:47 Actually, yes. 15:13:14 yes, mips is important. 15:13:26 I mean the SPIM emulator. 15:13:26 so it is worth playing with it. 15:13:48 Any bugs taht I should be aware of? 15:13:52 never did anything with it. 15:13:58 Hmm, ok. 15:14:11 i know a dude in #irix who uses it 15:14:25 but afaik SPIM is only mips-32, right? 15:14:28 What does he say about it? 15:14:30 I am not sure. 15:14:45 he says that he needs a 64 bit environment :P 15:14:46 You own a MIPS machine for testing ..etc? 15:14:52 Ah, ok.. noted. 15:14:53 yes 15:15:13 you could either use your ps2 or some MIPS box 15:15:26 like ... 15:15:45 I have been considering buying a PS2. 15:15:56 do you want to do some dev for it? 15:16:10 cuz that`s what i am planning/doing now 15:17:08 I'm actually getting it for a primary game machine.. I'm also intrested in the Linux kit. 15:17:09 --- quit: Carbone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:17:16 s/game/gaming 15:18:31 --- nick: logos -> cereal 15:18:50 --- nick: cereal -> logos 15:18:55 --- quit: rakbladet () 15:24:43 ahh the linux kit is shit 15:24:53 useless 15:25:02 the only interesting stuff is the native development 15:25:41 Ok, noted. 15:31:38 --- join: acme2k (acme@80.128.157.24) joined #osdev 15:38:03 LMAO 15:38:40 this tough anti drug sayings 15:38:52 "stay on track, dont do crack" 15:39:00 "sniffing glue`s not for you" 15:39:01 lol 15:39:08 go cocaine instead! 15:39:18 "would you die for 10 mins high?" 15:39:37 "real friends dont give friends drugs" 15:39:38 --- nick: ctkrohn -> ctkrohn|away 15:39:38 lol 15:39:39 lynx: linux kit? 15:43:17 mOo 15:43:35 Rico : ps2 lunix kit 15:43:38 aloha 15:43:40 saluton 15:43:42 coi 15:43:44 hallo 15:43:45 hi 15:43:46 hej 15:43:49 waikikki, indigo 15:43:55 heh 15:44:56 well...................................................................... 15:44:59 swell? 15:45:03 * indigo is still recompiling his entire system 15:45:03 smell? 15:45:21 tell 15:45:22 fell 15:45:23 well 15:45:36 el 15:45:40 bell 15:45:45 shell 15:45:59 hell 15:46:07 jel 15:46:14 gel, rather :P 15:46:35 quell 15:46:51 or something like that 15:48:06 * indigo has 271M of binary packages now... 15:48:50 if anyone needs gentoo binary packages, let me know...cuz i have tons :) 15:49:32 --- nick: ctkrohn|away -> ctkrohn 15:49:39 backd00red! 15:49:54 hum 15:49:57 ooh! 15:50:01 * indigo plays nethack! 15:50:08 aack! 15:50:12 /bin/sh: nethack: command not found 15:50:14 aaagh! 15:50:20 emerge nethack! quick! 15:52:39 must....download...faster... 15:52:57 ;po 15:53:05 compiling! 15:53:07 go go go! 15:53:16 nethack is a multi-purpose system utility that may be used as a shell in a pinch 15:53:21 gcc -march=athlon-tbird -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fomit-frame-pointer -I../include -c -o read.o read.c 15:53:22 do you have nethack set as your shell? 15:53:25 GO! 15:53:25 GOO! 15:53:41 heheh....that's an idea :) 15:54:13 something about a highly optimized nethack seems odd :P 15:54:58 high performance is needed for such multipurpose system utilities 15:55:04 yes...indeed 15:55:10 done! 15:55:14 y4y! 15:55:26 oki, what should i be? 15:55:31 a knight? 15:55:39 tourist? 15:55:51 hum...random 15:55:54 tourist 15:55:56 tourist! 15:56:00 i once had a level 8 tourist 15:56:03 i'm a samurai 15:56:03 he kicked ass 15:56:16 oki...tourist- 15:56:23 gender? 15:56:54 PICK A GENDER FOR ME! 15:56:58 * indigo smacks wossname 15:56:59 well, i usually select 'male' so i can get hot 15:57:04 ohh 15:57:07 but 'female' may do it for you, too 15:57:12 perhaps neutral? 15:57:21 heh 15:57:26 I can't play nethack ;\ 15:57:27 yezzzzz 15:57:30 gridbug! 15:57:46 kick its ass, buy stuff with your credit card 15:57:49 oink: why not? 15:57:53 You kill the grid bug! 15:57:55 YAY 15:58:09 wossname: my mother forbids :o 15:58:21 well, it is a dirty, violent game with sexual undertones 15:58:27 but who can help? 15:58:27 yeah :\ 15:58:30 god 15:58:39 as usual 15:59:43 shit 15:59:44 i'm dead 16:00:01 --- join: file (Administra@156.34.179.80) joined #osdev 16:00:02 you suck >:( 16:00:10 tourists are a powerful class 16:00:12 pheared by all 16:00:41 --- join: stormbind_ (~stormbind@80.131.87.155) joined #osdev 16:01:08 --- quit: stormbind (Connection timed out) 16:01:11 phew... 16:01:15 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by ear") 16:01:16 my kitten just saved me 16:01:31 ... 16:02:13 down to 1HP 16:02:19 it is p0\\'3|2|>u55`/ 16:04:07 so, what's so great about the tourist? 16:04:21 what can he do, besides almost get killed by a grid bug? 16:04:30 he has a credit card 16:04:33 and the camera has magical abilities 16:04:39 don't underestimate the credit card 16:04:43 ah... 16:04:46 get a tourist to a high level, and wierd shit happens 16:04:49 you ever have to pay it off? 16:05:02 i've never lived long enough for my debtors to catch me. 16:05:05 ahh 16:05:07 :) 16:05:23 i'm dead again 16:06:25 :/ 16:09:36 wizards are my favourite class, actually 16:09:51 it's great when you have a marker with 80 charges and a stack of paper from killing paper golems 16:10:09 what are you talking about? 16:11:54 nethack 16:15:28 --- quit: wossname ("Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over IRC.") 16:15:29 well, dinner tyme 16:18:46 * HeavyJoost is away: i think i'll sleep 16:19:12 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@212.151.39.85) joined #osdev 16:34:28 --- nick: ctkrohn -> ctkrohn|away 16:35:04 --- quit: cookin ("Client Exiting") 16:44:10 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@216.135.11.12) joined #osdev 16:49:12 --- join: fuschia (M@65.160.114.121) joined #osdev 16:49:20 --- part: fuschia left #osdev 16:52:13 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:00:47 --- quit: Kurt (Remote closed the connection) 17:10:53 --- quit: lynx ("[BX] mIRCrap: JUST DON'T DO IT!") 17:20:36 --- quit: acme2k (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:22:58 --- quit: logos ("food") 17:37:35 --- join: I440r (~mark4@67.241.61.10) joined #osdev 17:43:29 --- join: Okiesmokie (xXOKIEXx@24.70.133.79) joined #osdev 17:53:02 --- join: tirloni (gpt@200.203.159.61) joined #osdev 17:53:24 erm? 17:57:26 erm! 17:58:54 erm.. 17:59:29 --- quit: eks ("going for a nap (2 hours), l8r") 18:00:26 eks! 18:00:27 aagh! 18:01:23 --- nick: ctkrohn|away -> ctkrohn 18:14:29 * file pokes indigo 18:21:59 --- join: dax_ (~you@212.239.163.98) joined #osdev 18:22:55 --- join: trans (~trans@216.113.201.196) joined #osdev 18:38:03 moo 18:38:21 --- quit: dax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:38:41 --- quit: tirloni ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 18:39:45 --- join: logos (inv@68.61.176.85) joined #osdev 18:40:05 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again!") 18:40:28 aaagh 18:40:40 indigo: H-E-L-I-O 18:52:20 moo :) 18:52:50 M00 18:53:03 |\/|OO 18:53:24 |\M/|[O][O] 18:55:12 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:55:59 ugh... 18:56:02 never eat giant bat 18:56:05 --- quit: file () 18:58:31 muahhaha 18:58:42 never underestimate the powers of a level 5 tourist! 19:02:12 --- join: trans (~trans@216.113.201.196) joined #osdev 19:04:41 damn 19:04:42 dead again 19:04:50 fscking rothe 19:05:05 --- quit: Spindle () 19:05:49 996 points... 19:05:51 :( 19:15:37 --- quit: Okiesmokie () 19:21:55 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:29:22 --- nick: ctkrohn -> ctkrohn|away 19:30:37 * indigo goes to sleep 19:31:30 --- join: trans (~trans@216.113.201.196) joined #osdev 19:31:37 hello 19:32:54 --- quit: indigo ("zzzzZZ") 19:39:11 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@207.88.126.220) joined #osdev 19:43:14 --- quit: ChillySpy (Client Quit) 19:54:53 --- join: adu (~andrew@64.130.166.225) joined #osdev 19:54:57 hi 19:55:02 hi 19:55:06 how does one eliminate evil? 19:55:18 ??? 19:55:58 how does kick Mr. Satan's Ass! 19:56:09 hehe oops 19:56:52 hi trans 19:56:55 how are you? 19:57:03 i am good 19:57:06 how are you? 19:57:18 i've finnaly decided on the interfaces i will have builtin. 19:57:19 good 19:57:31 ? 19:57:43 as in prototypes/ protocols 19:57:52 for what though? 19:58:00 C# calls them "interfaces" ObjC calls them protocols 19:58:13 lots of langs call them abstract classes 19:58:26 for your lang you mean? 19:58:29 ya 19:58:32 ah 19:58:34 ok 19:58:47 Array, Pair, Number, Char, Bool 19:59:12 pretty simple huh? 19:59:16 yeah 19:59:19 o 19:59:36 and all of those use the interface for "Object" 20:00:45 and the "str" type implements both Array and Char interfaces 20:01:06 is Number floating point? 20:02:09 trans: interfaces are like a metaclass, they aren't an object or a specific algorithmk 20:02:33 oh 20:02:35 ok 20:03:18 the Number api includes read/write methods and get/put methods and i'm thinking of making +-*/ be methods as well... 20:03:51 so the "wh" type implements the Number api as well as "int" and "float" 20:04:02 wh = whole = uint 20:06:58 ok 20:16:25 --- quit: bono ("leaving") 20:17:11 guuuglle fuzzle chuck 20:21:00 ? 20:21:04 explain 20:30:19 this is so cool 20:30:20 hehehe 20:48:09 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:54:39 trans 20:57:08 i have 4 apis and 17 types, how about that? :) 20:59:21 --- quit: logos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:05:08 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:12:50 --- join: malenfant (~malenfant@ati2362cy13e4.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined #osdev 22:30:28 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #osdev 22:30:50 --- join: EtherNet (~Simpleirc@lu9dcn.ampr.org) joined #osdev 22:30:53 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 22:32:20 --- quit: huntrckr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:32:40 hell 22:32:40 does anybody have a d-link wireless card or a sort of them ? 22:32:40 ? 22:36:12 does anybody have a d-link wireless card or a sort of them ? 22:36:23 no 22:36:58 :( 22:40:06 --- part: EtherNet left #osdev 23:03:13 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:11:36 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:47:18 --- join: miro (~miro@picknicker.codeon.de) joined #osdev 23:54:59 --- join: HeavyJoost_ (HeavyJoost@a213-84-139-110.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 23:56:33 hullo 23:57:04 --- quit: HeavyJoost (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/02.09.29