00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/02.10.01 00:23:05 bye, school 00:23:27 --- part: lodda left #osdev 00:27:35 --- join: lodda (Lothar@p508ff45e.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 00:27:41 just for to minutes 00:27:50 anybody have 3900$? 00:28:20 http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=cray&ht=1&from=R7&ebaytag1=ebayreg&CATEGORY0=160&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F 00:30:09 lol 00:30:20 goto school bish 00:30:29 ;) 00:30:47 --- quit: lodda (Client Quit) 00:42:07 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 00:43:10 hey trans 00:47:49 --- join: zhware (~stoyan@lemon.silveregg.co.jp) joined #osdev 00:48:17 trans is canadien :D 01:10:17 night 01:11:23 --- quit: ree ("Disconnecting") 01:13:02 --- quit: zhware ("Client Exiting") 01:28:12 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:45:44 --- quit: AboryM (Remote closed the connection) 02:02:05 hmm 02:04:48 --- join: pengo (xtofu@p354-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 02:10:29 --- join: miro_ (~miro@picknicker.codeon.de) joined #osdev 02:12:07 --- quit: miro (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:43:36 --- join: AboryM (~mbalazs@80.97.114.12) joined #osdev 02:48:49 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 02:59:23 --- quit: oink (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:59:32 --- quit: pengo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:06:59 --- nick: gab -> gab|vacances 03:17:27 --- nick: gab|vacances -> gab 04:04:38 --- join: eks (~eks@h24-82-197-140.wp.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 04:05:13 --- quit: stormbind__ (Connection timed out) 04:05:18 ekstazya...or something like that. 04:05:30 eheh 04:05:32 hello :) 04:05:44 * Robert shakes eks' hand. 04:05:54 --- join: stormbind__ (~stormbind@p50835E6B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:06:32 http://ekstazya.tripod.com/x86_1998/0324.html <-- ROTFL 04:06:41 my old old old old old site is still up! 04:06:44 LMAO 04:07:09 --- join: indigo (indigo@bgp01105107bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 04:07:20 ah ha! 04:07:30 air: i figured out why everything is hanging :) 04:07:37 * Robert checks. 04:07:38 metalog is crapping out 04:07:44 (stupid metalog) 04:08:21 well, gotta fix it later; time to get ready for work :P 04:08:44 eks: :D I like your logo. 04:08:50 ehehe 04:08:52 thx :P 04:08:53 (I never thought eks could be THAT lame) 04:08:58 LOLOL 04:09:05 hey, I was young once ;) 04:09:37 Bah... I made stuff like that when I was 10. 04:09:46 ..uncle Eks. 04:09:58 ehehe 04:10:20 lolol, man, it's so funny to see old stuff one did :P 04:11:15 Funny for us, yeah... But if you look at it, you only laught to hide the shame ;) 04:11:19 laugh* 04:11:35 nah 04:11:43 I laugh at how stupid and young I was :p 04:11:53 Hehe.. how young were you? 04:12:04 15 04:12:06 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:12:12 eks: You've been 15?! 04:12:15 eks: When? 04:12:16 lol 04:12:19 a long time ago 04:12:22 I'm 23 now 04:12:23 Hehe. 04:12:35 Well, had they really invented electricity back then? 04:12:56 lmao, thx for the support, I still don't have any gray hair ;) 04:12:59 I mean... hmm.. that's like 1994, right? 04:13:24 yeah, hrm.. that logo was done in 1998 though.. 04:13:29 I was hrm.. 18 back then 04:13:31 o_O 04:13:40 Now *that* wasn't good. 04:13:43 lol 04:14:04 I still like that logo ^^ 04:14:15 Hmm... 04:14:32 * Robert hopes he'll not become like that in 2 years. 04:14:42 lol 04:14:44 probably not 04:14:59 Good. 04:15:07 * Robert plays some Duke Nukem 3D! 04:15:27 (Which was new when you were...not young...less old) 04:15:57 mouahaha, ekstazya@sprint.ca .. LOL 04:16:26 Yuck. 04:16:32 oh well, at least I'm not as lame as before ;) 04:16:37 robert@forthfreak.de <--- my new address :))) 04:17:08 eks@onee-san.net :) 04:18:18 Well, hrm. 04:18:24 My address looks better. 04:18:59 Call me stupid, but I've always wanted a .de mail address ;) 04:21:16 call me stupid, but I've always like japanese themes 04:21:31 I like 'onee-san', looks nice 04:22:34 Hehe. 04:22:44 * Robert calls eks stupid. 04:22:52 * Robert runs to make some food. 04:37:13 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 04:37:25 anybody home? 04:37:31 no 04:37:53 :-) hi eks 04:37:58 :) 04:38:19 --- join: Stalky (~cms@ool-4352c2ce.dyn.optonline.net) joined #osdev 04:38:21 you want an update on my CPU? 04:38:32 Right now I actually want to design the hardware 04:38:35 you are designing your own cpu? 04:39:06 sure, tell me what's new :) 04:39:30 dead serious on designing it. funny thing is, its not just an 8-bit microcontroller 04:39:42 what's new: its designed be me, mostly 04:40:01 ;) 04:40:12 its 64-bit stuff 04:40:31 I hae decided it will use a variation of the Transfer triggered Architecture 04:40:54 which means the most complex part of the processor will be the instruction decoder/control unit 04:41:06 hrm.. 04:41:18 I hate processors where DIV and MUL are so freakinly slow 04:41:30 ppl should make processors where every instructions takes only 1 cycle 04:41:47 hmmm ... I wish for that, too....but there is another way 04:42:04 multiply by small variables 04:42:19 ? 04:42:23 64-bit * 8-bit takes less time than 64-bit * 64-bit 04:42:49 many times you only need 64-bit * 8-bit 04:43:12 it wouldn't be technically hard to have a 2 cycles 64bit*64bit multiply 04:43:17 it would only take alot of transistors 04:43:28 More than 8? 04:43:30 --- quit: seunosewa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:44:10 Robert: yes, more than 8 transistors ;) 04:44:16 Awww... 04:46:39 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 04:46:49 sorry guys ... eks 04:47:01 06:57 seunosewa| many times you only need 64-bit * 8-bit 04:47:01 06:57 eks| it wouldn't be technically hard to have a 2 cycles 64bit*64bit multiply 04:47:04 06:57 eks| it would only take alot of transistors 04:47:07 06:57 Robert| More than 8? 04:47:09 06:58 eks| Robert: yes, more than 8 transistors ;) 04:47:12 06:58 Robert| Awww... 04:47:14 where were we? Are you sure single-cycle multiplications are possible/easy? 04:47:40 2 cycles are possible and relatively easy. 1 cycles are quite another challenge 04:47:41 about how manytransistors? 04:47:59 but right now they still are at around 10~20 cycles, which is way too much 04:48:39 is there a big difference between64-bit multiplication and 32-bit; I mean, exponential link of increase in resources required? 04:48:54 for a 2 cycles 64bit*64bit I'm estimating approx 2k transistors 04:48:56 My design wil be immensely simplified if each instruction takes exactly one cycle 04:49:16 for a 1 cycle I'm estimating at 30K transistors 04:49:17 well, intel would be doing it if its 2k transistors ... 04:49:31 they have millions/billions, remember? 04:49:49 yip,but they are investing it in their decoder/prefetch unit 04:50:00 their math unit hasn't been touched since the 386 04:50:19 decoder/prefetch ... eks, how can you say this?!? 04:50:22 eks: i hate asp/vbscript 04:50:36 I think their challenge is to run the multiplier at high frequencies 04:51:05 --- join: oink (~ziga@void.phear.org) joined #osdev 04:51:19 seunosewa: I don't think they are investing the proper amount of money on their math unit, they are doing alot of multimedia stuff, but not basic operations 04:51:42 a division should not take 40 cycles 04:51:51 but the multimedia stuff is also math stuff ... well, .. 04:51:55 --- quit: Stalky ("Tak ah wan! Can de lach!") 04:52:17 perhaps it would take 40 cycles at 1GHz! 04:52:32 if it does, they ahve a pretty bad design 04:52:59 I'm estimating an approximate 800K transistors required for a 3 cycles division unit 04:53:07 2mil transistors for 2 cycles 04:53:13 20mil transistors for 1 cycle division unit 04:53:38 and I bet alot of code would be designed differentely and running much more efficiently if division took only 1 cycle 04:53:49 eks: perhaps you are right ... is there any place I can get free designs or adders, multipliers and other basic circuit building blocks to incorporate in designs that might not be free? 04:53:57 eks: have you done any processor deign previously? 04:54:28 "processors" no, but I've done various circuits design, small ones, like 4 bit adders, 4 bit multipliers, etc 04:54:31 the logic is the same 04:54:39 except much larger scale when applied to 64bit 04:55:03 hmm ... can I see what a VHDL description of a 4-bit adder looks like? 04:55:15 I don't know of any other site than those listed on my bookmark page (http://onee-san.net) 04:55:29 my initial intention was to just write a CPu simulator, but now I am so interested in the implementaton 04:56:20 seunosewa: do you know F-CPU ? 04:56:30 gab: yes 04:56:45 gab: I got some ideas from their mailing list 04:56:57 gab: like, the TTA idea they initially considered 04:57:08 actually some of the devs for this project are students is my school 04:57:18 s/is/in/ 04:57:22 gab: my overriding consideration for design is something that can be accelerated 04:57:30 gab: that means you also do hardware? 04:57:38 myself no 04:57:53 I just have general knowledge about hardware design 04:58:26 I work part-time as a software driver dev in a company that makes crypto chips 04:58:55 gab: what's the company? your school? 04:59:02 nope 04:59:21 my work is not directly related to my school 04:59:44 gab: no, I was asking two separate questions (1) company (2) school 04:59:54 oh 05:00:01 the company is zencod 05:00:11 a french startup 05:00:17 the school is epitech 05:00:26 (zencod.com and epitech.net respectively) 05:00:46 hmm... I want to meat someone as passionate about the hardware as i am about the software 05:01:55 observation: software developers want hardware to be free and hardware guy want software to be free - a la linux) 05:02:01 s/meat/meet/ ;) 05:02:12 --- join: lodda (Lothar@p508FCAC2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:02:27 eks: s/meat/meet/? 05:02:32 hi 05:02:32 yes 05:02:38 ".. I want to meat someone" 05:02:40 should be 05:02:44 ".. I want to meet someone" 05:02:49 meat is something you eat 05:02:49 gab: yes? 05:02:52 meat? cooool 05:02:53 at elast I hope.. 05:02:56 Hi, lodda. 05:02:58 least.. 05:03:09 Heh. 05:03:13 * Robert meats eks. 05:03:13 hoi Robert. hoe gaat het met jou? 05:03:19 eks: ok, it was a typo .. overlook it, will ya 05:03:24 lodda: Heel goed, en met jou, mijn vriend? 05:03:26 * eks runs away scared as hell 05:03:31 eks: yet, I wrote ya 05:04:11 Met mij gaat het wonderfol 05:04:43 ok, we are funny :) 05:06:37 eks, lodda, gab: anyone interested in CPU design? 05:07:20 seunosewa: I am, but not intensly, and I don't have the proper amount of time to dedicate to this passion just yet 05:07:53 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:07:53 --- join: Lothar_ (Lothar@p508fcac2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:07:55 hmm...a bit, but i don't really tried 05:07:57 grmbl 05:08:16 --- nick: Lothar_ -> lodda 05:08:53 I mean, I really can't do anything with the hardware until a lot of money has been spent, so I want to concentrate on writing software for a CPU simulator 05:08:53 .. of the CPU 05:09:09 eks: ok ... isn't time something we all search for? 05:09:26 yes, it is, but some of use have more "spare time" than others ;) 05:09:33 s/use/us/ 05:09:55 I can't visualize how the instruction decode unit will enable more than one op to run at a time 05:10:03 --- join: acme (acme@p5080979A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:10:14 I mean, unless I use a VLIW format 05:10:21 why would that be? 05:10:38 you figure out registers dependency, then direct the instruction to the proper execution unit if it's not already busy 05:10:38 In my mind, the instruction decode unit must run faster than thhe execution units 05:11:02 yes, it does 05:11:20 otherwise you have maximum 1 execution unit used at any time 05:11:24 eks: you know how easy it is to "figure out register dependency?" :P 05:11:50 depends on your instruction set, could be pretty simple 05:11:50 eks: but what about the intel pentium/athlon? 05:12:12 the x86 instruction set is one hell of a bitch to work with 05:12:24 I mean, they manage to decode instructions in parallel; I dnt understand this! 05:12:44 the "decoding" doesn't happen in 1 cycle 05:12:50 it happends in a couple of stages 05:13:01 the first stage is figuring out the instruction length 05:13:24 the second stage is to make sure the instruction is all loaded and split it in its respective parts 05:13:30 hmmm ... do the stages all require one clock cycle? (sorry to interrupt) 05:13:43 some require less than a cycle 05:14:05 but while an instruction is in stage 3, another is in stage 2 and yet another in stage 1 05:14:15 so they can decode many instructions in "parallel" 05:15:26 hmmm ... 05:16:42 eks: I will never be a 'world-class' microprocesor designer; I have a better shot with software ;) I just need to know that I have an instruction set arch that can be used to build lightning-fast microprocessors 05:17:02 eks: unfortunately, I need to know how it will work. I am tempted by VLIW 05:17:54 seunosewa: fixed instruction length is a nice place to start, makes things much easier to start with 05:17:59 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 05:18:30 next is a well defined instruction set format. Like registers always in bits xxx-yyy, instruction code always z bits long, etc.. 05:19:02 those 2 factors makes it very easy to figure out what the instruction is doing and what are the requirements for it 05:19:18 yes, fixed instruction length where each instruction possibly consists of a group of instructions? I want to know that we can go superscalar without having something so complex 05:19:31 "superscalar"* 05:19:31 try also to avoid an instruction that uses a specific register or group of register (i.e.: like mul on x86) 05:19:55 eks: why about those kinds? 05:20:03 eks: why avoid* those kinds? 05:20:47 well, the reason is simple. if every isntruction has to specify which register they use, you only have to concentrate on those. If you have instructions that are fixed to some registers, you need to check for "exception" in your decoder units, and then figure out which registers are attached to the specific instruction requested 05:21:29 having a simple decoder unit can be done if the registers are specified all the time, it makes it easy. And it also makes your cpu more versatile, easier to program for 05:21:55 otherwise you end up with a huge table printed in silicon listing the dependencies for each instruction, and it makes a nice x86 hell of decoding 05:22:24 hm ... ok. 05:23:04 I think today I will focus my study on instruction decoders. what do you think of "transport triggered architecture" 05:23:32 TTA is more like the extreme opposite of what you said 05:23:32 all instructions are bound to particular registers 05:23:32 I guess I haven't done my homework, I never heard the term before today :p 05:23:54 and operations are performed by transferring data from one register to another 05:24:27 so each "register" corresponds directly to a particular functinal unit in the execution unit 05:24:57 looks like a waste of silicon if you ask me 05:25:02 so the assembler/compiler has to know the behaviour of each 'register' 05:25:18 that tends to end up having duplicate "add" units, one for each combination of registers 05:25:32 sure makes parallelism easier, but on the other end it makes operations like "div" alot longer 05:25:47 since you are using that silicon space for the duplicated units rather than one highly developed 05:26:28 no ... if you have only one add unit then there would only be one "adding register" 05:26:40 you really don't want that 05:26:47 at least not from an instruction set point of view 05:26:56 IMHO that would be disgusting 05:27:00 and there will be "storage units" that beave like normal registers 05:27:07 h/beave/behave 05:27:59 and I can imagine the EU. there would be "address-decode" units and so on 05:28:37 check this: http://einstein.et.tudelft.nl/~heco/move/move-project/ 05:29:34 http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/123866.html 05:29:35 they are particulary suited for application specific purposes <-- 05:29:44 I guess it depends what you want to do 05:29:56 I rather develop a fast general purpose cpu than a very specific one 05:35:45 --- quit: seunosewa (Remote closed the 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05:57:37 that's better 05:57:42 hehe 05:57:44 mooooooo 05:57:46 no one is here yet :P 05:57:52 i'm just killing time 05:57:53 :( 05:57:59 am i nobody? :( 05:58:10 HERE, as in the real world :) 05:58:17 ah.. 05:58:23 i understand.. 05:58:35 ah...someone arrived 05:58:41 don't see who it is... 05:59:00 must not be important 06:01:12 hmm 06:01:12 --- quit: indigo_work (Client Quit) 06:05:06 --- join: ^ChAoS (~chaos@deadbabe.badf00d.org) joined #osdev 06:05:44 --- join: indigo_ (indigo@bgp01105107bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 06:05:53 --- nick: indigo_ -> indigo_work 06:05:58 well, there it is 06:06:16 i guess i could start compiling a new kernel, since the problem was probally just metalog 06:06:30 * indigo_work tries to make menuconfig over this crappy terminal 06:06:39 --- quit: indigo_work (Client Quit) 06:06:58 --- join: revanthn (~revanthn@203.129.127.18) joined #osdev 06:09:14 --- quit: revanthn (Client Quit) 06:12:30 --- quit: miro_ (Remote closed the connection) 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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2058542089 << look at this one 08:10:42 that is coooooool 08:10:54 looks like a bin to me 08:10:59 bad that you are not in #osdevelopment 08:11:02 is it one of those new futuristic bins that empty themselvse? 08:11:05 bin? 08:11:20 what is a bin? 08:11:33 a garbage bin 08:11:40 those things you have in your house 08:11:44 that you dispose of waste in 08:11:47 (uk term for it) 08:11:59 i showed there the specs of an cool cray 08:12:11 cray as in supercomputer? 08:12:45 "We can have it delivered to any loading dock in the continental US for US$4000" 08:12:50 sure 08:12:50 cool. 08:12:57 supercomputer :) 08:13:29 lol 08:14:02 --- join: AboryM (~mbalazs@80.97.114.61) joined #osdev 08:15:23 --- join: maaa (maaa@80.178.32.133) joined #osdev 08:15:37 --- join: Javanx (~javanx@213.45.18.199) joined #osdev 08:16:33 hmm 08:16:39 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust93.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 08:16:42 i find it cool 08:16:49 i wanna have it!! 08:16:58 it's so cool. 08:17:15 --- quit: seunosewa_cpu (Remote closed the connection) 08:17:18 8*200 MFLOPS = 1.6 Giga-Flops 08:17:20 25,6 GB/s memory bandwidth << lol 08:17:39 the o2 or the cray? 08:17:55 the cray!!! 08:18:07 it has 4GB ram instaled 08:18:08 i assume teh cray because not many 150mhz cpu's can do 1.6 gigaflops 08:18:12 you cant afford it 08:18:22 its ilke 4000 $ just to get it to a port 08:18:23 lol 08:18:29 thats just to get it to you 08:19:00 do you know if linux runs on crap? 08:19:03 crap=cray 08:19:07 what do you do if i say i have enough money to buy it?? 08:19:17 it doesn't 08:19:21 but UNICOS does 08:19:25 whats unicos? 08:19:39 --- part: bono left #osdev 08:20:16 the OS for crays 08:20:19 25gb/sec is awesome bandwidth man 08:20:34 i just realised thats the entire 4gb memory at lesat 6 times 08:21:25 but are those bits or bytes? 08:21:28 yes... 08:21:46 is awesome good or bad? 08:21:56 bytes(i think) 08:22:39 lodda: and you actually have the money and will bye it? 08:23:00 no, i haven't :( 08:23:20 just would like to know what you'd say to it 08:23:26 oh 08:23:32 dax_: i think the O2 is too expensive 08:23:35 i've thaught you have 08:23:36 man, most small governments or large corporations would probably be about to justify that cost 08:23:44 well yea... 08:23:46 about=able 08:23:59 you need a room thats big enough for it 08:24:01 people to maintain it 08:24:20 and how much power will it suck? 08:24:33 alot 08:24:37 i don't know 08:24:42 lodda: if i've have that money, i would bye a nice little alpha 08:24:47 probably 08:24:50 lol 08:24:56 if i had the money, id keep the money 08:25:02 let it build interest 08:25:03 but i think i have room for it 08:25:23 --- part: maaa left #osdev 08:25:24 corsairk8: and you put it somewhere you could see it, heh? :))) 08:25:48 hmm 08:25:55 i wouldnt need a cray to be honest 08:25:55 well, i have that money. at least in theory. when i am 18 08:26:13 i think id get myself a nice little laptop, some good games, and be happy knowing the rest is in my account 08:26:47 i wanna simulate some a-bomb crashes into the white house :P 08:27:09 or even better, a windows 2000 server licence :)))) 08:27:33 hehe 08:27:47 lol 08:27:58 or a free kazza download 08:28:02 or windows 2000 datacenter 08:28:03 i got win2k server for free 08:28:08 :)) 08:28:31 i need playlists 08:28:31 openbsd 3.1 song. 08:28:32 darn 08:28:35 im bored of all my music 08:28:43 or the bandwidth do download it in 5 minutes :) 08:28:53 yup 08:30:17 should i buy a alpha mainboard + 166 mhz CPU and SCSI controller for 100 euro? 08:30:21 is there a linux song? 08:30:24 YES. 08:30:42 yay 08:30:47 the linux is for lamers song 08:30:52 openbsd is for openers! 08:30:52 buy it 08:30:54 hmm 08:30:58 openbsd song ownz 08:31:02 open minded people 08:31:03 €€€€i won't tell you the address :P 08:31:07 * corsairk8 searches 08:31:25 1 day 3 hours 08:31:59 who can send me their playlist? 08:32:07 * dax_ starts polishing his sniper rifle 08:32:55 ah, what type is it dax_? 08:32:58 200 euro for a XP 1000 alpha CPU with 500Mhz!! 08:33:13 does XP stand for expensive crap? 08:33:20 just the cpu? 08:33:53 full name: Digital Alpha EV 6 FCO XP 1000 08:34:14 the price when it was new: 4350 $ 08:34:32 i could sell that for 4000 $ and buy the cray then ;) 08:34:44 hi all. 08:35:06 hey Zenton 08:35:19 do you have 4000 $ for me? 08:35:59 hummm, 08:36:11 i need it to pay my university. ;) 08:36:34 250 euro (no bid by now) for a alpha computer 08:36:37 lodda: www.rentacoder.com 08:36:38 :P 08:36:48 DEC Alpha PWS 600au / 128MB Ram / 2MB cache / 4.3 GB HDD / FDD / CD Rom / NIC onbord / Sound onbord 08:37:33 --- quit: dax_ (Remote closed the connection) 08:37:34 AboryM: bleh 08:38:57 probably i am to young for that.. 08:39:51 it doesn't matter 08:39:56 you do it, they pay 08:40:09 --- join: lynx (~lynx@p50809B97.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 08:40:20 LYNX! 08:40:27 heya 08:40:56 hey lodda , supola ? 08:41:01 dax_ wanna buy a sgi o2 08:41:45 unfourtanatily he has just quit 08:43:18 AboryM: do you "use" rentACoder? 08:43:50 lodda: no but i know someone who does 08:44:11 i haven't really had the time for that myself 08:44:14 lodda : nice 08:44:34 but they send money even here in romania :) 08:45:08 there is a alpha computer with 533Mhz CPU, 256 Mb-ram, 40Gb HD :)) 08:45:24 124 euro currently :) 08:45:31 wow 08:48:00 well, 6 days left 08:48:23 so it'll be bout 1300 euro when it'll be sold 08:49:27 lynx: what's about school? 08:50:53 --- join: dax (~you@u212-239-163-98.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 08:51:48 dax! 08:52:02 lynx! 08:52:08 lyax 08:53:17 hey dax 08:54:01 0dax : you gonna buy a o2? 08:55:22 dax: alive ? :P 08:55:50 lynx: wanna buy a cray for 3900 $? 08:56:18 lodda : what cray? 08:56:53 J916se 08:57:25 24,6 GB/s memory nandthwitdht. 1,6 GFLops/s 08:57:35 25,d 08:57:41 25,6 08:57:59 hrm 08:58:01 9*9GB disks 08:58:02 that is not much 08:58:15 i mean the price is not much 08:58:24 but also the processoring power isn`t much either :P 08:58:39 1.6gflops can be easily beaten by some p4 smp sys 08:58:49 even the ps2 can do 6.2 :P 08:58:58 but not the memory bandthwidth 08:59:09 or can it 08:59:14 hrm 08:59:15 not sure 08:59:25 25GB/s is quite much 08:59:43 althought the latest sgi puters can do 19GB/s 08:59:50 i mean the workstations 08:59:52 well 09:00:04 the sgi superputers do like 800GB/s 09:00:05 heh :P 09:00:10 oh 09:00:18 prolly needs too much power for my taste :) 09:00:19 Yeah, we have a couple of those at work. 09:01:07 the cray weights 1 Ton :P 09:01:19 Like 4 Origin 3000s (the full size ones) and a couple of the half height ones. 09:01:27 800 GB/s at how much ram? 09:01:38 http://www.sgi.com/origin/3000/ 09:01:46 1TB 09:02:01 Magik : WTF? 09:02:07 you have an origin at work? 09:02:11 where do you work? 09:02:15 GE Power Systems 09:02:28 Engineers use 'em to do heat flow simulations on the turbines 09:02:39 fancy 09:02:45 Magik : ever worked with them ? 09:02:51 don't know that 09:02:55 Nah, not a big fan of IRIX 09:03:01 unfair 09:03:03 I know their basic architecture. 09:03:12 eheheh 09:03:17 With "router" bricks.. 09:03:24 yeah =) 09:03:30 Magik: don't say that to lynx 09:03:33 We have racks and racks of Sun stuff and tons of NT servers. 09:04:00 One of my co-workers is the head of HPC (high perf computing) stuff and is the caretaker of the machines. 09:04:25 well, why don't put it together to a 'small' cluster? 09:04:33 cooooooool 09:04:43 They have a linux cluster now going in. 09:04:53 could you ask him for giving me a root account? 09:04:53 Kills the SGI for density. 09:05:00 lodda: Doubtful (: 09:05:06 (for all puters) 09:05:13 lodda: Doubly doubtful. 09:05:29 I'm trying to get my hands on a E3500 that went out of service. 09:05:44 give him 1000 $ 09:05:58 I doubt that. "Get my hands on" means I get to play with it. 09:06:00 what's a E3500 09:06:00 ? 09:06:01 Not take it home (: 09:06:07 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 09:06:16 back 09:06:17 Sun E3500. Medium sized Sun server. 09:06:22 i just said i wanted a O2 09:06:28 not that i'm going to fork out that much for one 09:06:28 yes, but what is it like 09:06:28 heh 09:06:34 probably too big 09:06:44 http://www.sun.com/servers/midrange/e3500/index.html 09:06:53 that's what i said to lynx 09:07:01 (to get it home) 09:07:11 more like lowend if you ask me 09:07:41 Lowends are the 250/280R boxes. dual proc 09:07:48 Mids are the 4-8 procesor boxes. 09:07:52 Hgih are 8+ processors. 09:08:07 4-8 is still pretty low-end :) 09:08:08 heh 09:08:15 I just put in a vertias cluster of E4500s running Oracle with 10 processors. 09:08:24 dax: In sun's line, no (: 09:08:30 hmm 09:08:31 what are 5000 procs? 09:08:40 lodda: Clusters 09:08:42 (: 09:09:00 hmm 09:09:11 We have ~1000 processors online under linux for HPC work. 09:09:18 isn't there a parallel one of Nec? 09:09:31 But each machine is "low end", dual. 09:09:42 I forgot what Jeff used - RLX I thought. 09:09:45 *shrug* 09:10:00 They have more computing power at the local GE campus that I care to think about. 09:10:41 hpc = high power computing? 09:10:43 Those four full height Origin 3000s, two half height Origin 3000s 09:10:52 corsair: Yeah, high performance. 09:10:58 ah 09:11:00 it's horrible. we have at school 16 800 Mhz, 10 300 Mhz, 10 600Mhz.. 09:11:03 ~1000 cpus worth of linux cluster 09:11:25 At least 200 racks filled with various sun boxes (280Rs through E4800) 09:11:35 No E15ks, but they're considering one. 09:11:37 uummmm 09:11:43 ah 09:11:52 ~300 racks filled with various compaq boxes running NT. 09:11:56 blah 09:11:58 lol 09:12:25 Umm.. Various HP/UX boxes, J/C class up to L... no superdome 09:12:36 We're a big HP/UX shop for engineer workstations 09:12:55 aj 09:12:56 Kindof neat. The workstations become part of the HPC farm at night. 09:12:57 ah 09:13:28 ~1200 workstations alone in Schenectady, NY. About the same at the other plant in Greenville, SC. 09:13:55 And these aren't very slow. 500MHz PA-8500s. 09:14:04 er.. no, 8600s 09:14:07 5,7 GFlops at my school :( 09:14:23 Just now they're upping to the 750MHz 8700s. Those are quick chips. 09:14:30 I still love Alpha the best. 09:14:52 how big is your concern? 09:14:57 The DS10Ls made really damn quick internet servers. 09:15:09 lodda: GE Power Systems? Oh, large. 09:15:19 $14 billion in sales last year or something. 09:15:21 how large? 09:15:39 www.gepower.com 09:15:56 lynx: heisst in sales Umsatz? 09:16:31 US$20 billion 09:16:41 30k employees 09:16:54 And they're one of the smaller GE divisions. 09:16:57 *shrug* 09:17:03 so i just have to build a 'small' company, which is winning 21 billion US$ per year 09:17:11 heh 09:17:22 then i buy GEPowers 09:17:25 I built my own small company already. 09:17:25 lodda : ya 09:17:47 It did ~$1 million a year in sales before I sold it. 09:17:58 heh. 09:18:02 --- join: eks (~eks@24.70.176.227) joined #osdev 09:18:05 * dax need some money 09:18:16 * eks gives dax some virtual money 09:18:23 then i 'fire' all employees (except the coders and Magik) and use the puters :) 09:18:28 :) 09:18:38 dax: you can get credit here 09:18:54 just 18 % per year :) 09:19:01 ... 09:19:33 more as in "would like to earn some money" 09:20:04 dax: how much do you need? :) well, don't work 09:20:11 hey eks btw 09:20:15 I need lunch, and have money. A lot easier proposition. bbiab. 09:20:45 bye 09:21:00 not that i really need it though.... hmm 09:21:23 how much do you want? 09:21:28 well i dunno 09:21:29 heh 09:22:11 just some money so that i could (e.g.) buy that o2... heh, and some misc hardware 09:22:12 hmm 09:22:17 just random stuff 09:22:28 10000 $ 09:22:35 ? 09:22:40 dunno 09:22:41 why 09:22:48 --- join: HeavyJoost (HeavyJoost@a213-84-139-110.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 09:23:05 you have to give it back to me until 2010 09:23:12 heh 09:23:20 more as in "would like to earn some money" 09:23:22 ;) 09:23:54 dax: how much do you need? :) well, don't work 09:24:04 hmm... but finding a job might prove to be difficult when you're 15... 09:28:28 you will have to pay 44133,27 $ to me :) 09:29:01 ... 09:29:21 well, me is 14. i am already working as "Kredit-Hai" 09:29:31 Heh. 09:30:26 Robert: what's wrong? want a credit? 09:30:47 Sure. 09:30:57 Send me a CRAY and I might pay you some money. 09:31:39 "you might" 09:31:49 Yes. 09:31:53 An unspecified sum. 09:32:01 (Up to 5 euros) 09:32:13 about? 09:32:24 hehe 09:32:50 well, send me 1000*5 euro before i send it to you.. 09:33:27 dax: work for www.rentacoder.com :) 09:33:53 like AboryM told me :) 09:34:10 no 09:34:13 there is a dual PPro 200 Mhz for 49 euro..(5) 09:34:14 hmm 09:34:34 Robert: something for you? 09:34:43 hmm 09:34:47 mmh 09:35:05 hmmmmmh 09:35:08 maybe i could try to write some kind of shitty software and sell it 09:35:26 wouldn't generate alot of money though 09:35:35 hehe 09:35:44 what kind of software? 09:35:49 webdesign... i suck at design... 09:35:50 dunno 09:36:00 make daxOS closed-source and sell it 09:36:03 i can do some stuff with microcontrolers... 09:36:06 no 09:36:25 why not? 09:36:38 because it wouldn't sell 09:36:38 :) 09:37:02 dax: look at this guy: www.multideskos.com if you know french :) 09:37:10 you'll laugh :p 09:37:15 i'd buy it. ten times. if it costs one cent 09:37:30 ugh my french really sucks 09:37:32 but i'll try 09:37:34 he is belgian he can speak french 09:38:19 ugh 09:38:27 too much effort required to read it 09:38:30 maybe some other time 09:38:42 my french is just too horrible :) 09:42:14 sigh 09:42:15 hmm 09:43:25 where are the screenshots?? 09:43:50 i was wondering the same 09:43:50 heh 09:45:07 probably he hasn't written one line of this OS and he just makes it closed-source that nobody can see 09:46:01 * dax still likes the idea of "priviliged" applications being able to run in kernel mode 09:46:47 i don't speak french neither i can read 09:46:56 i have to vomit when i read it 09:47:03 the display gets dirty everytime 09:47:44 hmm 09:47:54 should a kernel even provide thread/task abstractions? 09:48:54 what do you want to put into your kernel? 09:49:09 if you don't put taskmanagement into it? 09:50:00 well 09:50:07 hmm 09:50:08 ... 09:50:08 nm 09:50:23 except memory management 09:50:28 nm? 09:52:43 hmm 09:52:45 dax? 09:52:59 yesch? 09:53:15 what does nm mean?? 09:53:29 nevermind 09:53:30 :) 09:53:53 no matter, native mode .. :) 09:54:20 oh and, nanometer 09:54:26 yea 09:54:27 heh 09:55:20 kinda got a kernel design 09:55:21 hmm 09:55:45 small, pretty architecture dependant, optimized kernel 09:55:58 doing only the basic stuff 09:56:23 and privilidged applications/libraries/whatever can enter kernel mode if they want to 09:56:37 and if they are authorised 09:59:04 hmm 09:59:31 architecture dependant doesn't sound good 10:00:17 "architecture dependant" as in amount of arch dep code > amount of arch indep code 10:02:44 anyhow 10:02:57 studying time 10:04:30 brb simpsons 10:06:00 --- join: huntrckr (~huntrckr@myr53-01-p206.gt.saix.net) joined #osdev 10:06:12 evening all :p 10:06:34 Hey :) 10:14:33 --- nick: eks -> eks[bsy] 10:32:58 brb 10:33:04 homework 10:44:31 --- join: kaze (~Kaze_0mx@bordeaux-2-a8-62-147-57-251.dial.proxad.net) joined #osdev 10:45:18 did i meantion that i look evilish sexy? 10:45:39 lol 10:45:45 lynx: ? 10:45:58 mention, even 10:46:02 lodda : what? 10:46:02 i look like crap 10:46:08 corsairk8 ;) 10:46:16 which geek doesnt? 10:46:20 hehe 10:46:28 im honoured you call me a geek 10:46:45 thanks 10:46:55 lynx: i am looking VOE 10:46:59 and i am honored that you are honored when i give you such a title 10:47:04 lodda : VOE? 10:47:07 hehe 10:47:11 * lynx got mail 10:47:33 esca 10:47:58 (flowne) 10:48:20 hehe 10:52:03 lodda : the movie? 10:52:13 corsairk8 : what`s up? 10:52:21 corsairk8 : what are you doing at the moment? 10:55:17 was just listenign to some jagged edge shit 10:55:44 whos the mail from? 10:56:02 lodda : gfx <-> mem bandwidth for ps2 is like 48GB/s 10:56:32 corsairk8 : some electronic online store, saying that my ordering is at my local post 10:58:11 corsairk8 : any new software project? 10:58:45 nio 10:58:48 still fd 11:00:28 --- nick: eks[bsy] -> eks 11:02:36 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:03:19 s/ordering/order 11:08:25 lynx: yes, the movie. ps2bandtwidth wooooow 11:09:03 lodda : it has some wicked 25XXbit wide path *shrug* 11:10:39 bbl 11:13:12 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again!") 11:16:36 dumdidum 11:16:41 dam 11:16:46 gab! 11:16:54 what`s cookin' dude? 11:17:05 I'm now on holliday! 11:17:12 fancy 11:17:12 preping my pack 11:17:16 I go away tomorrow 11:17:25 where are you going to? 11:17:40 to my parent's place, in french alps 11:17:58 nice 11:18:18 maybe you can get me some of the nice french-alpian girls ? 11:18:32 one full month without computers in sight 11:18:34 huh 11:18:41 nice french-alpian girls ? 11:18:48 you know... 11:18:48 I lived there for 20 years 11:18:52 never seen such a myth 11:18:57 ah 11:19:10 it's like the Dahut ;P 11:19:17 Dahut?! 11:19:46 it's a folklorish belief from the mountains I'm from 11:19:53 sounds some wicked ritual to sacrifice a virgin 11:19:56 ahh 11:19:56 ok 11:20:00 a legendary animal 11:20:09 cool 11:20:16 we have something like that too 11:20:22 which has 2 legs shorter on the left side than on the right side 11:20:23 it is called "wolpertinger" 11:20:34 so it can walk seamlessly in steep slopes 11:21:17 it's a common joke to make fun out of tourists 11:21:23 organizing Dahut hunts 11:21:36 LOL 11:21:42 gab : only germans, yes? 11:22:01 which consist of simulating a storm, by hitting a tree with a big stick, and using a flashlight to simulate lightning 11:22:08 oh, not only germans 11:22:14 everyone not aware of this myth ;> 11:22:22 heh 11:22:27 wolpertinger rulz 11:22:39 it's said that Dahuts are visible only by stormy weather 11:22:57 it is a mixture between rabbit, deer and cock 11:23:03 gab : lol 11:23:06 and the surest way to catch them is to have them turn their short legs on the hole's side 11:23:19 gab : sick frenchs .. that happens when you drink too much pastis 11:23:25 so that when they turn, they fall, and can't get up 11:23:42 well in my valley it's not pastis 11:23:47 it's genepy ;> 11:23:57 lol 11:24:05 what is it made of? 11:24:24 it's a liquor made of plants you can find at certain altitudes in mountain 11:24:40 here we have some schnappsmade of gentian 11:24:44 ah, yea 11:24:57 yeah, we have gentian too ;) 11:25:23 well 11:25:33 get me some sweet french girls! 11:25:45 hehehe 11:33:52 --- join: sliv3r (~sliv3r@adsl-64-164-128-50.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 11:33:54 hi 11:37:11 --- quit: sliv3r (Client Quit) 11:39:54 back 11:42:00 --- quit: kaze (Connection timed out) 11:43:00 BACK. 11:43:56 BAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK 11:44:09 :\ 11:44:56 :,,( 11:45:16 doinks 11:46:29 oink: it's :/ lynx: it's :''( 11:47:08 why .. ? 11:47:17 we are both left-wing communists 11:47:23 we do everythign the other way around 11:47:32 it's just the nicest 11:47:53 hmm 11:48:07 \ is more right.. 11:59:50 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 12:01:47 my ADSL is finally fixed 12:01:57 --- join: rakbladet (johan@h215n5c1o254.bredband.skanova.com) joined #osdev 12:02:01 it took them 5 days to discover I was on a bad port 12:04:26 hi file! 12:04:51 lynx: what are the names of 'robots' kinda escaflowne? 12:04:59 s/of/for 12:07:26 *shrug* 12:09:01 i forgot 12:09:01 :( 12:11:24 hrm 12:12:12 bbl 12:16:18 * file smiles at this speed test 12:16:27 "out of all worldwide connections, yours is above average" 12:17:40 * lodda is away: TV 12:18:01 GRRRRR......XCHAT 12:18:16 * lynx smiles about file`s conenction speed, too 12:18:20 at 12:18:26 I just downloaded a 3.10mb file in 24 seconds 12:18:47 pff 12:18:58 compared to my 3 minutes yesterday 12:19:01 * file is satisfied 12:19:50 --- nick: iraw_ -> iraw 12:22:27 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81984.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 12:22:35 hi wossname 12:22:57 hi seunosewa 12:23:01 w0zzn4m3!@$#! 12:23:44 have you ever done chip design? 12:23:51 robert: hi! 12:24:15 I made some design decisions yesterday for my CPU and it seems I will actually design it 12:24:19 wossname has done chip design. 12:24:26 yes, much chip design 12:24:29 He made most of the new things on the 286 chip. 12:24:53 * seunosewa is not joking 12:25:19 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust93.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 12:25:27 seunosewa: I am :) 12:25:50 robert: I noticed :-| 12:26:11 How many 16 year old people have designed microchips? 12:26:35 besides me, of course 12:26:58 robert: how many 16 year-olds have written operating systems? Or interpreters? 12:27:12 --- nick: seunosewa -> seunosewa_20 12:27:19 seunosewa_20: Hell of a lot more. 12:27:43 almost uncountable, really 12:28:29 http://www.nigeriancomputersociety.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=65#65 to make sure I don't forget what I am doing 12:29:54 --- join: gianluca (~kernel@ppp-79-138.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 12:30:02 welcome! 12:30:06 hi 12:30:09 --- nick: seunosewa_20 -> seunosewa 12:30:30 hrm.. anybody know what are various subject/sender lines used by BugBear? 12:31:04 eks: is 3.10mb in 24 seconds good for ADSL? 12:31:38 file: no. take my 56k modem. 12:31:42 >( 12:31:43 :) 12:31:44 lol 12:32:53 avril lavigne? 12:33:04 * file waits for a response from the person he's looking for... 12:33:37 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 12:34:07 hey anyone know of a simple o(1) kernel memory allocator? 12:37:08 file: yes, it's good 12:37:24 eks: average? 12:37:40 file: my modem is faster! 12:37:54 nah, good speed, I've seen faster speeds but still good 12:37:54 gianluca: is this a magical modem? 12:37:54 :) 12:38:05 yes. it's a new technology! 12:38:06 eks: this is at a prime time though, not late at night or early 12:38:09 56kbits!!! 12:38:19 lol 12:38:35 gianluca: I bet you did 3mb in 18 minutes, not 24 seconds :P 12:38:42 hmm 12:38:49 letme do some calculation 12:38:53 lol 12:38:54 eks: turns out I was on a bad port at their network center - even though they switched it twice before 12:38:59 (i have up to 5kbyte/sec band) 12:39:13 24*5 != 3MB :PP 12:39:16 * file wonders if he overloaded the port 12:49:21 --- nick: huntrckr -> huntrckr_zzzz 12:53:45 moo kiddies. 12:53:48 m00. 12:53:54 --- join: trash (~trash@pc168.zgora.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl) joined #osdev 12:54:33 mooooooooooooo 12:54:40 hmm 12:54:49 * dax is still wondering how to earn some money 12:54:56 --- quit: trash (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:55:11 --- join: trash (~trash@pc213.zgora.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl) joined #osdev 12:55:32 www.rentacoder.com 12:55:42 like i (aboryM) said 12:56:22 ah 12:56:31 how to ``do others students homework'' for ca$h 12:56:54 :) my work at university :P 12:57:14 --- quit: trash (Client Quit) 12:57:18 my connection is veeeeeery bad today...i can't even reach google :( 12:57:24 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@d212-151-19-27.swipnet.se) joined #osdev 12:57:42 oh cool there are $1000 projects on it... 12:57:43 would be nice 12:57:57 hehe 12:58:04 what kind of? 12:58:24 online photo system 12:58:26 whatever that is 12:58:52 --- join: JMadChicken (~pirch@host213-122-48-2.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 12:59:02 dax: i found another way. go to M$ 12:59:12 hmm? 12:59:18 Ilodda: its not easy 12:59:32 try to get the main kernel-developer of win XP 12:59:40 --- part: JMadChicken left #osdev 12:59:42 then try to get to management 12:59:42 ... 12:59:50 i know 13:00:04 then kill bill gates 13:00:14 then you kill the one who comes after that 13:00:31 s/that/him 13:00:43 you could get to billions of US$ 13:01:00 http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/BidRequests/ShowBidRequest.asp?lngBidRequestId=29416 <-- this is idiot 13:01:01 lol 13:01:18 and the good thing is that you are not interested in computers anymore when you got that :) 13:01:19 lodda: most of people don't survive the "xp kernel developper stage" 13:01:20 :D 13:01:29 it's the barrier :) 13:01:48 s/developper/developer/ 13:02:34 dax: what is there? my connection is bad.. 13:02:46 something really really stupid 13:03:01 he needs a proggy to read a string and to determine if brackets are mached 13:03:09 matched* 13:03:44 how much does he give for that? =) 13:04:29 open for fair suggestion 13:04:30 heh 13:05:00 hehe 13:05:09 the installer could be a problem 13:05:38 i don't know windoze programming 13:05:55 it's no problem if it doesn't need gui 13:06:48 i don't even have windoze lol 13:07:35 no? 13:07:44 that's bad 13:07:47 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@gc-nas-01-s188.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 13:08:14 no it isn't bad 13:08:15 it's good 13:08:30 what? 13:08:56 windoze or that you don't have it installed? 13:09:08 the fact i don't have it :) 13:09:44 well 13:10:37 xp/2k/NT are quite cool. i'm not sure if it is better than linux, but it has better hardware support and that is very good :) 13:10:58 lodda: I like NT4 myself :) 13:11:10 droid and aramius have it installed, aramius has Slackware too 13:12:43 i dropped windows quite a while ago 13:12:51 5 or 6 months ago 13:12:55 still happy i did it 13:13:35 a good OS has to be user-friendly but should be able to solve every problem. i think windows is nearer to that than linux 13:13:35 --- quit: AboryM (Remote closed the connection) 13:13:39 ugh doing other people's homework for money doesn't really seem like fun... 13:13:55 a good os shouldn't obstruct the user 13:14:02 i think windows is far far far from that. 13:14:04 linux evolves, but windoze is still better and will stay better 13:14:17 lodda? 13:14:24 a good os should be centralized, and should keep ``installing'' as one of its design points in mind. 13:14:25 kick+ban? :P 13:14:27 what does obstruct mean? 13:14:36 i don't think so 13:14:55 uhm windows is just contra-productive 13:14:58 well 13:15:07 i find rox+fluxbox a much better ui to work with 13:15:11 i think you can't kick anybody because of his opinion 13:15:35 the bad thing of win is that it is made by microsoft and closed-source 13:16:04 the bad thing of win is that it's bloated. 13:16:19 dax: probably you had 9x installled 13:16:43 no 13:17:09 95 -> 98 -> 2k -> xp -> 2k -> linux/freebsd 13:17:33 95 -> NT4(SP6a) -> Slackware(one computer) 13:17:34 win isn't perfect but it is atleast better than the most other OS around 13:17:53 win xp is hell. 13:17:58 it eats memory 13:18:02 hmm 13:18:05 the only reason I didn't dump NT4 totally is because my WLAN PCMCIA card isn't supported 13:18:06 it's bloated 13:18:10 dax: it's the pretty interface 13:18:12 requires occasional reboots 13:18:17 the interface sucks 13:18:21 95-> XP & Linux 13:18:51 dos 6.0 -> slackware 13:19:29 lodda: should have went to NT4, it would be faster 13:19:29 i have not to reboot win xp. i have no breakdowns. it doesn't shutdown itself. it's faster than Linux is. it doesn't eats memory as Linux does. 13:19:47 heh sounds like you should try a better linux distro 13:19:47 heh 13:19:54 lodda? how linux eat memory? 13:20:06 or stay away from gnome/kde 13:20:20 s/Linux/X11+KDE+mozilla+/ 13:20:26 KDE eats LOTS of memory 13:20:33 kde eats memory 13:20:36 so does gnome 13:20:40 I know 13:20:50 gnome 2 is a bit better tough 13:20:59 i still have 5mb our of 256mb free 13:21:00 cool 13:21:04 windowmaker doesnt eat too much 13:21:13 and i'm running winxp under vmware 13:21:15 and all by iteslf its perfect 13:21:16 i use KDE 13:21:17 few editors open 13:21:24 few mozilla windows 13:21:35 rox, gaim, gkrellm, xchat, fluxbox 13:21:38 gnome and kde are for "i want my computer to look and act like m$ windows" people 13:21:52 you don't have to open up anything in windows to have that memory usage 13:22:24 m$, lor~ 13:22:48 256 MB 60 MB free, but have working some apps 13:23:16 and a 600mb swapfile? 13:23:17 256 MB, gnome2, quirc, mozilla, two terminals, other vim open 13:23:27 71% memory used 13:23:33 no swap 13:23:36 and 13:23:41 there's many kernel cache 13:23:49 dax: yes, why? 13:24:04 nm 13:24:22 linux kernel tends to use memory for caching 13:24:33 i have 80 GB hd 13:24:43 i have 220gb 13:24:43 so? 13:25:03 hmm 13:25:28 hey, dax, any gb you don't need? :) 13:25:32 i want to say i don't think about 600MB 13:25:45 hmm i could get rid of these 2 45gb disks 13:25:53 I've got 2.1gb :) 13:25:53 250 MB by now 13:26:01 why? 13:26:18 :) 13:26:24 i have a different life ;))) 13:26:51 in what way? 13:27:07 i wanna build a dual 2.5 GHz with 1 GIG mem and 10 180GB U320-SCSI disks 13:27:19 in the way it's hard to get computer stuff 13:27:21 (I have a much longer dick than all you guys ;P) 13:27:34 anybody some money left? 13:27:43 btw, anyone has two celeron or pentium3 socket 370 he doesn't need? 13:27:49 gab: ... 13:28:12 nope 13:28:35 i have a pentium IV Willamette, but i need (by now :() 13:28:42 lodda: don't care about me, I was just smiling at what I read 13:28:42 or he want to sell at good price? 13:28:48 * oink quotes that.. 13:29:06 * file watches a music video and realizes his video card can't handle it 13:29:13 gab: gimme your sunblades, I'm in need of a new workstation :\ 13:29:18 oink :) 13:29:31 oink: stroke your dick instead 13:29:39 file: sorry for you 13:29:41 fu :o 13:29:42 Robert:) 13:30:16 my workstation died today, or perhaps it's my GeForce 4 ... 13:30:22 erm 13:30:32 (yes, the one I bought a month ago) 13:30:33 you know 13:30:40 :-/ 13:30:45 sunblades aren't that good as workstations 13:31:04 oh well 13:31:07 gab: hrm ? 13:31:11 gab: you're kidding me ? :) 13:31:18 oink: HAHAHAHA YOUR GEFORCE 4 is dead HARHAR 13:31:25 the video performance on these is quite poor 13:31:33 gab: btw, I'm gonna seek for sun workstations on december while I'll be on holidays 13:31:40 everything's PCI 13:31:49 i need money 13:31:50 hmm 13:31:55 --- join: darkito_ (darkito@80.103.142.204) joined #osdev 13:31:56 oink: sorry, just needed that 13:31:59 lodda: ain't funny, but I'm still unsure :) 13:32:11 hi darkito_ 13:32:12 to get an UPA bus (and so a decent video card), you must look at least at sunblade 1000 13:32:18 hihi 13:32:20 hi lodda :)) 13:32:26 gab: and you have 100 ? :) 13:32:30 I'm pushing my wireless bandwidth to the max watching this Star Trek: Nemesis trailer 13:32:32 oink: yep 13:32:40 oink: I've got a 1000 only at work 13:32:45 gab: cough donate the 100 cough 13:34:20 ;\ 13:34:38 arghs...my conection is so ugly lame :( 13:34:57 if i think i want to switch into the forth by a switch... 13:35:23 lodda: mine rocks 13:35:35 *fourth 13:35:46 file: ... 13:35:58 woot! my coalescing is working 13:36:02 1. i know 2. GRRRR that's unfair 13:36:14 we should kill all canadian 13:36:28 air: did you made it yourself? 13:36:38 my connection is pretty nice too 13:36:45 and it will be even better somewere next year 13:36:52 when they up it to 3mbps down 13:37:05 GRRRRRRRRRR we should flood belgia 13:37:07 *evil grin* 13:37:13 lodda: yes 13:37:31 the only thing that stops me is slow servers like you lodda :p 13:37:45 belgium is a nice country to live in actualy... 13:37:57 i'm no server :P 13:38:02 yes you are 13:38:15 dax: don't try to tell me that..i was there some weeks ago 13:38:20 --- quit: ^ChAoS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:38:24 cheap healthcare, cheap education, cheap broadband, great education, great food, ... 13:38:29 in Knokke-Heist 13:38:35 knokke sucks 13:38:36 lol 13:38:38 file:ok but you are not using me as server 13:38:44 well not really 13:38:48 but it's hilarious 13:38:50 haha 13:38:50 --- quit: seunosewa (Remote closed the connection) 13:38:54 dax 13:38:56 er 13:39:01 --- join: ree (~ree@usr1-51.net-power.net) joined #osdev 13:39:03 dax: Canada fits all of that 13:39:08 where do you live? in Oostende 13:39:14 ghent 13:39:14 ? 13:39:23 --- part: ree left #osdev 13:39:40 file: well yea i know :) so does belgium :) 13:40:01 hmm 13:40:01 ghent? 13:40:10 ghent/gent/gand 13:40:14 don't know where that is 13:40:16 whatever language you prefer 13:40:26 east-flanders 13:40:26 still don't know :) 13:40:38 i think i have heard gent 13:40:42 univercity city 13:40:50 ugh 13:40:53 i can't spell 13:40:58 because i am german(that is german, is it?) 13:41:20 dunoo how you call it in german 13:41:25 but it's gent in dutch 13:42:01 wow 13:42:10 960 bytes/s :( 13:42:10 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 13:42:15 whoa 13:42:33 uberslow 13:43:18 openbsd 3.1 song 13:43:29 oh - if you want a copy tell me 13:43:29 my normal speed at downloads is 100 kb/s 13:43:41 --- quit: cookin ("Client Exiting") 13:44:06 file: send me :P 13:44:32 my normal is like uhm.... 120 13:44:37 is the openBSD song free? 13:44:46 yes it is 13:44:48 it comes with OpenBSD lol 13:44:49 3.1 owns 3.0 13:45:01 you can get it at openbsd.org/lyrics.html 13:45:15 PINGUIN LURKING UNDER BED 13:45:24 PUFFY HOOMPAH ON YOUR HEADµ 13:45:25 --- quit: seunosewa ("Download Gaim [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/]") 13:45:29 oh my that's slow 13:45:38 I think you've got problems with your connection 13:45:41 crackin' ze bathroom crackin' ze vault 13:45:45 what a speed... 13:45:51 crackin' ze whip, SECURE BY DEFAULT! 13:46:08 i think that, too 13:46:20 lol 13:46:36 file :( 13:46:41 vampire omellete, kitten cake! 13:46:44 i'm outta here 13:46:46 lodda: :( 13:46:46 later guys 13:47:04 i'm going now. hang me up with the DSL-cable... 13:47:27 * file throws some CAT5 at lodda 13:48:23 i sent 500 MB today, but just received 120 13:49:12 how can that be? 13:50:03 strange 13:50:14 my cable has to be defect 13:50:48 hmm 13:51:12 FUCK 13:51:35 i just see that i have to use the provider for 24 months 13:51:43 it was a bundle 13:51:43 :((((((( 13:51:57 --- quit: iraw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:52:36 --- join: iraw (~ns@AVelizy-107-1-1-169.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 13:52:53 well, what do you think i should do? 13:54:21 have to go. 13:54:21 g'night 13:55:03 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:57:35 --- join: smaffy (smaffy@d212-151-37-118.swipnet.se) joined #osdev 13:57:57 --- quit: HeavyJoost (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:03:00 --- quit: Kurt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:03:46 --- quit: gianluca ("QuIRC for *nix - http://quirc.org/") 14:08:23 --- quit: rakbladet (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:10:07 --- quit: corsairk8 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:11:40 --- join: Speedii (ullabella@t5o55p108.telia.com) joined #osdev 14:14:17 --- join: newbs (~newbs@ts1-illavl286.shawneelink.net) joined #osdev 14:14:22 --- part: newbs left #osdev 14:15:31 --- join: file[outside] (proxy@mctn1-3534.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 14:17:18 how does an operating system with multiprocessing suport look like? what is the diff betwen a single processor os and a multi processor os? how do i make an os multiprocessor compatible?? 14:17:23 --- join: NonToxic (~wiseguy58@h002078c680df.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #osdev 14:17:27 * file[outside] dances 14:17:37 --- nick: NonToxic -> WiseGuy58 14:19:21 how does multiprocessing generally work? is the two processors operating as one or multiple processors? 14:19:52 I think they take a few threads each. 14:20:05 --- nick: WiseGuy58 -> NonToxic 14:21:02 but, what about the kernel? do they share it or do they make a copy for each processor? :) 14:22:26 No idea. 14:22:52 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 14:23:07 maybe the kernel is forked :) 14:23:56 --- nick: file[outside] -> file[living_room 14:26:19 --- nick: file[living_room -> file[livingroom] 14:26:31 smaffy: know what's fun? while(1) fork(); 14:26:39 also at the BASH shell 14:26:40 HAHAHAHA 14:26:59 :() {:&:;};: 14:27:23 file, wifi?\ 14:27:29 yes 14:27:39 handheld or laptop? 14:27:45 laptop 14:27:50 ah 14:27:58 * file[livingroom] listens to his MP3s that are stored on the computer in his room 14:28:01 JUMP IN THE LINE! 14:28:02 --- nick: ctkrohn|away -> ctkrohn 14:28:35 rock your body in time, ok I believe you 14:28:43 * file[livingroom] dances 14:28:50 shake shake senora shake your body line 14:28:57 shake shake shake senora shake it all the time 14:29:02 work work work senora, work your body line 14:30:54 --- join: I440r_ (mark4@1Cust93.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 14:31:29 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:32:38 --- join: randolm (wossname@hse-quebeccity-ppp81220.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 14:33:27 --- nick: I440r_ -> I440r 14:35:26 --- quit: eks ("going home") 14:36:03 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:36:07 --- nick: randolm -> wossname 14:43:02 hmmm well that was fun 14:43:03 --- quit: file[livingroom] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:43:14 i just fscked my whole CVS repository badly 14:43:34 uhoh not good 14:43:36 cvs: import.c:577: process_import_file: Assertion `entdata->options[0] == '-' && entdata->options[1] == 'k'' failed. 14:52:40 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:58:03 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81923.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 14:58:15 --- part: seunosewa left #osdev 15:04:29 --- quit: acme () 15:13:17 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again!") 15:15:34 --- join: automne (i@ac89601f.ipt.aol.com) joined #osdev 15:16:06 --- part: automne left #osdev 15:16:11 --- join: eks (~eks@h24-82-197-140.wp.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 15:16:15 hi eks :) 15:16:27 darkito_ :D 15:17:24 robert! 15:17:27 :)) 15:17:28 --- nick: ctkrohn -> ctkrohn|debuggin 15:17:33 --- nick: ctkrohn|debuggin -> ctk|debugging 15:20:50 --- nick: gpf`afk -> gpf 15:22:17 hi darkito_ 15:24:40 now my cheap ass asm generator + coalescer produces code almost as good as novo's register allocator 15:31:23 almost ;) 15:37:23 'cheap ass' 15:38:02 the generated asm looks like shit without the coalescer 15:38:33 (set a:int 1) --> push dword 1 ; pop eax ; mov dword [ebp-4],eax 15:38:37 http://home.joshuawise.com/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/MediaOS/#dirlist 15:38:41 so if you had novo's allocator + your coalescer it would be awesome code? 15:38:43 tell me what you think I should do next on my OS... 15:38:54 syscalls? vfs? set up the GDT? 15:39:02 (set a:int 1) --> mov dword [ebp-4],1 15:39:12 eks: no 15:39:24 novo's allocator has its own coalescer 15:40:56 originally i was doing the push/pop/mov approach, novo came along and wrote the allocator, i found lots of bugs but novo is too busy with school to fix them, so i went back to my original code but enhanced it quite a bit 15:43:28 I see 15:43:34 File Radio rules! 15:44:33 ofcourse, it's your radio 15:44:47 i just gotta figure out how to coalesce my nasty stack framing for macros 15:45:11 push dword [ebp+-4] 15:45:11 push dword [ebp+-8] 15:45:11 mov eax, [esp+4] 15:45:11 add eax, [esp+0] 15:45:11 add esp, 0X8 15:45:16 any ideas? 15:46:19 not at the moment 15:46:23 --- nick: eks -> eks[djembe] 15:46:35 think while u play :) 15:47:22 eks: record something so I can put it on File Radio 15:48:15 hmm, if i add a virtual stackFrame instruction before that code and replace the add esp,8 with a virtual stackFrameEnd 8 instruction then i could detect the frame and coalesce it 15:52:36 * air loves his anti-schizophrenic drugs, he can think so clearly now 15:53:09 ? 15:53:38 im schizophrenic, didnt u know? 15:53:40 drugs are bad! (except if they alter your reality =) ) 15:53:49 im taking risperdal 15:54:16 everybody is fucking schizo 15:54:31 i really am 15:55:07 schizo symptoms are like flu (in that practically everything has the same symptoms) 15:55:28 i saw dead ppl 15:55:32 dumb fucking "doctors" always diagnose everyone the same 15:55:36 bs 15:55:44 heh 15:55:52 i wasnt diagnosed as being schizo 15:56:08 but im taking schizo drugs and they made me better, so i must be schizo 15:56:25 --- nick: ctk|debugging -> ctkrohn 15:56:41 i was imaging that it was cold, all the time even when it was 100F 15:56:45 thats an illogical conclusion 15:56:48 imagining 15:57:05 --- join: seun (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 15:58:41 its a very logical conclusion 15:59:38 btw, what vitamins make u not tired? 15:59:49 amphetamines 15:59:50 particularily not, due to the fact that schizo isn't any one illness 15:59:53 ha ha ha 16:00:20 trans: are u schizo? 16:00:21 but also that lots of drugs are used to treat other illnesses that the ones they were designed for 16:00:26 how the fsck would u know :) 16:00:28 yes 16:00:57 have u ever seen little tiny black aliens flying around yer head? 16:02:02 i tend to see sharp bright lights, heard noises, and sometimes feel things 16:02:41 hearing and feeling things are more frequent than seeing things (except perhaps the lights) 16:03:01 headlights of oncoming traffic, cars honking, the impact 16:03:13 uuuuuhhhh no 16:03:21 logical answers for yer problems 16:03:25 :) 16:03:31 they are tiny lights and they are super bright 16:03:45 mini xmas lights? 16:03:50 hahah 16:04:16 do you guys talk with your penis sometimes, like me? 16:04:33 hey! 16:04:38 when have you been talking with my penis? 16:04:49 yes but my penis is hetero so its hard to talk with it when in a channel full of guys 16:04:51 its like a point (as in containing no volume) from which light emminates to a raduis of about a mm 16:05:14 air : i think you are prude. 16:05:29 * NonToxic is away: food 16:05:30 lynx: i think yer a prune :) 16:05:56 air : heh 16:06:07 i gonna prune your little prune... 16:06:42 well this is fun but i gotta get back to my coalescer 16:06:55 ? 16:07:18 crush 16:07:45 ah 16:07:56 i have to learn plank's laws of radiation :/ 16:08:20 when in doubt, assume its radioactive 16:08:42 atually... 16:08:45 hahaha 16:08:49 --- join: gianluca (~kernel@ppp-107-136.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 16:08:49 it is not about radiaoactive stuff 16:08:55 dumn typos 16:08:58 heh 16:08:59 hmm 16:09:05 gianluca: hola 16:09:07 hey. my monitor got burnt! 16:09:13 argh 16:09:30 stolen my sister's one :) 16:09:32 gianluca : used gasoline instead of electricity? 16:09:34 ah 16:09:43 you have a sister ? ;) 16:09:51 hmm no i care about environment. metan 16:09:58 lol 16:10:15 can't believe it 16:10:19 it started flipping 16:10:28 then i smelled some burnt thing 16:10:31 would be cool for all the geeks who have probs controlling their rear end`s sublimination of excrements 16:10:32 and it came from monitor 16:10:44 hola air 16:11:10 just think of it as an excuse to buy that 24" 200dpi lcd monitor 16:11:29 air : if you have the money 16:11:42 well on the fifo i still have to find the excuse to buy two celerons 16:11:47 but i can use stack ;) 16:11:49 just think of it as an excuse to rob a bank to get the money to buy that 24" 200dpi lcd monitor 16:12:04 hmm my father works on the town's bank. they would know me! 16:12:21 duh, rob another bank 16:12:21 let's do this 16:12:27 you rob the bank 16:12:29 and send me money 16:12:40 air : maybe he robbed that already to get som barbiturates? 16:13:23 gianluca : pics of your sis, plz! 16:13:27 gianluca : asl, too 16:13:35 lynx. 16:13:39 ye? 16:13:53 gianluca : else i have to be satisfied with air`s brother :/ 16:14:01 just change nick/server for this :) 16:14:03 oh 16:14:12 well. better than nothing 16:14:15 gn all. 16:14:20 nite 16:14:24 gianluca : uhrm... 16:14:26 night zenton 16:15:01 this night that i have a monitor i should end my new kmem allocator 16:15:03 ... 16:16:18 --- quit: darkito_ ("-><-") 16:17:55 * NonToxic is back (gone 00:12:26) 16:18:26 * file streams 16:18:54 hrm 16:18:55 ok 16:19:04 * lynx wonders 16:27:42 --- join: Spindle (~Harris@12-249-145-77.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 16:28:04 --- join: indigo (indigo@bgp01105107bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 16:28:40 moo 16:28:52 ! 16:29:09 indigo! do you have redhat 16:29:47 i am trying to get my network card to work on linux - i go into redhat-config-network try to actiavte my eth0 card and it doesn't work, any ideas? 16:31:56 peoples! 16:32:27 Spindle: christ no! 16:32:30 Spindle: go to hell! 16:32:37 not until i die 16:32:42 Spindle: install windows for goodness sake! 16:32:51 haha i had it installed 16:32:58 but it is no more 16:33:00 Spindle: idea: rm -rf / 16:33:08 huh? 16:33:14 Spindle: windows is WAY better than redhat 16:33:21 u sure? 16:33:35 yes, having used and struggled with both for years, windows is better 16:33:50 redhat is everything bad from linux and windows and nothing good 16:33:54 it's the worst of both worlds 16:34:05 indigo do you think there is any iso of win2k hehe or is m$ a poop head 16:34:30 i bet you could find it on a warez site or on a p2p network 16:34:46 and yes, ms is a poop head 16:34:48 i have a copy my uncle gave me somewhere hehe 16:35:15 and i don't trust warez 16:35:22 if you are going to install UNIX, use something other than redhat or derivitives or you will forever hate it 16:35:33 y 16:36:10 because redhat doesn't just suck, i think it's authors intentionally went out of their way to make it terrible 16:36:58 they took linux, removed it's power, leaving only an uncordinated skeleton behind, and then added the shitty design and princials of windows, taking away the part of windows that sometimes works 16:37:42 the result of taking the worst of linux and windows, sloppily throwing them together, then making an effort to make it even worse is redhat 16:38:08 * NonToxic layith the smackdown on a spammer 16:38:13 well, indigo, they're just imitating microsoft road to success 16:38:57 well anyway, brb 16:38:58 --- quit: indigo ("leaving") 16:41:42 --- join: indigo (indigo@bgp01105107bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 16:42:01 * indigo vomits 16:42:08 still thinking about redhat...ugh 16:43:20 * Spindle shall make supa dupa os which takes the goodness of redhat and windows and shal be names reddows! 16:43:32 or 16:43:34 winhat 16:43:46 * Spindle dances 16:44:12 Spindle: your OS will have nothing 16:44:28 there is nothing good in redhat...and very little in windows 16:44:32 you are soo negative 16:44:53 well redhat & windows is doing better than you i think 16:45:04 go gentoo go! go gentoo go! yay yay go gentoo go! 16:45:12 --- quit: Speedii () 16:45:25 Spindle: they really suck 16:45:30 hmm it's about a month i don't rsync my gentoo 16:45:38 i hope there's not the new X 16:45:44 but they kick ass to any consumer 16:46:06 Spindle: the reason windows and redhat do so well is because the world is full of stupid idiots that think it must be good because "everybody is doing it" 16:46:20 * NonToxic rsyncs 16:46:21 duh 16:46:21 windows roxx, dude 16:47:20 indigo: the point you miss is that the idiots give you food 16:47:34 gab: not really 16:47:55 if you're in computing for a living, it is 16:47:58 gab: the people that pay my paychecks run UNIX of some sort 16:48:23 IRIX, MacOS X, or Solaris make up 99% of our income 16:48:37 running Unix doesn't instantly prevent one from being an idiot ;P 16:48:54 no, but unix is run mostly by non-idiots 16:49:01 urban legend 16:49:20 having good spelling doesn't make you a non-idiot either, but statisticly you are more likely to be a non-idiot if you can spell 16:49:32 same for grammar, math, and reading 16:50:18 mMMmmMmm... 16:50:26 LaCie electron22 monitor... 16:51:01 2048x1536 pixels at 80Hz 16:51:03 I doubt your average check-signing CEO makes a great deal of what's running on his desk 16:51:31 i bet you don't make a great deal of what's running on your desk either 16:52:29 you lose 16:53:01 --- join: malenfant (~malenfant@ati2362cy13e4.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined #osdev 16:53:21 OoOooOOhhH! 16:53:53 only $967 16:54:08 i think i'll get one :P 16:54:16 * indigo saves his pennies 16:56:21 hum 16:56:24 crud 16:56:50 bbl, going to play with some stuff likely to crash my box 16:56:55 --- quit: indigo ("whee! crashing!!") 17:01:39 --- join: nbsp (g@ip68-14-60-55.no.no.cox.net) joined #osdev 17:09:03 --- quit: seun ("Download Gaim [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/]") 17:09:08 nite dudz 17:09:10 --- quit: lynx ("[BX] Hey, where's the cream filling?!") 17:11:33 --- join: indigo (indigo@bgp01105107bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net) joined #osdev 17:15:33 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:19:04 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@d212-151-45-251.swipnet.se) joined #osdev 17:21:57 --- join: Ubel (~Ubel@arnarson.is) joined #osdev 17:24:19 --- join: bono (~bono@modemcable202.3-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 17:33:19 --- quit: huntrckr_zzzz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:35:41 --- quit: smaffy (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:42:14 --- join: huntrckr_zzzz (~huntrckr@myr53-01-p206.gt.saix.net) joined #osdev 17:48:12 --- quit: cookin ("Client Exiting") 17:49:03 nite people 17:49:06 --- quit: gianluca ("QuIRC for *nix - http://quirc.org/") 18:01:53 --- join: karingo (karingo@230.portland-01-02rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #osdev 18:19:32 question 18:19:53 answer 18:20:00 on the x86 when I do a push, is sp incremented or decremented? 18:20:39 decremented 18:20:56 ok, thanks 18:21:04 --- quit: indigo ("new kernel") 18:21:22 --- nick: eks[djembe] -> eks 18:21:34 seks >:) 18:21:55 hey oink 18:31:32 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 18:35:34 --- quit: Spindle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:35:50 hello? 18:37:32 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:38:24 --- part: seunosewa left #osdev 18:42:19 --- nick: gpf -> gpf`afk 18:52:23 --- join: lar1 (~lar1@adsl-63-204-135-204.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 19:00:38 --- join: ChillySpy (ChillySpy@ppp229.ppp6.cleveland.nccw.net) joined #osdev 19:05:25 --- quit: Ubel () 19:09:41 --- quit: Javanx ("I don't feel a thing, and i stopped remembering. The days are just like moments tourned to hours") 19:18:08 --- part: ChillySpy left #osdev 19:45:12 --- quit: eks ("gn :)") 19:59:52 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 20:00:53 --- nick: ctkrohn -> ctkrohn|away 20:01:30 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 20:34:32 --- quit: karingo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:52:21 --- quit: bono ("leaving") 20:52:38 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:54:26 --- join: Stalky (~cms@ool-4352c2ce.dyn.optonline.net) joined #osdev 21:03:39 --- quit: NonToxic ("zZZ") 21:32:25 ugh 21:35:22 anyone know if nasmes will accept 'cdq eax'? 21:35:32 er nasm 21:38:11 it's just "cdq" 21:38:12 no eax 21:38:19 and yes, it will 21:41:26 i know its just cdq 21:41:42 it will error on "cdq eax" 21:41:52 serious? 21:42:01 my version does 21:42:02 i tried it 21:42:05 crap 21:42:08 What is cdq 21:42:25 sign converts eax to edx:eax 21:42:34 s/converts extends 21:43:04 Convert Double to Quad 21:43:36 Ah 21:43:57 gn 21:43:58 --- quit: Stalky ("Tak ah wan! Can de lach!") 21:51:30 woot! 21:52:17 my coalescer produces really good code now 22:01:42 --- join: trans (~trans@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 22:02:04 horay i finally eliminated chaining!! 22:02:05 ugh 22:02:28 imul/mul/div/idiv also dont like being passed eax 22:02:33 in nasm 22:03:47 they implicitly operate on it 22:03:53 don't pass it 22:04:16 that requires special code 22:04:25 i hate special cases 22:04:51 just write a useful back end for RISC machines and special case the entire x86 FPOS 22:04:57 but i have to generate them with eax otherwise my coalescer doesnt know they need it 22:05:17 haha 22:11:08 ugh 22:11:28 it was easy to handle the cdq case but the mul/div cases are a bitch 22:21:34 --- quit: huntrckr_zzzz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:25:47 there 22:26:01 12k of code is doing almost the same job as 94k of code 22:32:49 --- quit: malenfant ("Client Exiting") 22:55:10 source or compiled? 22:55:45 --- join: minddog (~minddog@ip68-98-85-105.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #osdev 23:07:53 src 23:09:42 the only difference is that the asm generated by mine only used a few registers and novo's will use em all, his will also pass parameters in registers instead of stack and will keep locals in registers if possible 23:20:35 --- join: AboryM (~mbalazs@80.97.114.12) joined #osdev 23:20:48 hello 23:26:00 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:50:05 --- join: lodda (Lothar@p508FCCAE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 23:50:22 hey 23:56:33 --- join: Soel (freee@as2-200-52-3-9.mtyxl.axtel.net) joined #osdev 23:56:58 --- quit: AboryM (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:56:58 --- quit: seunosewa (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:56:58 --- quit: dax (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:56:58 --- quit: asmodeus (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:56:58 --- quit: eirikn (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:57:14 --- join: AboryM (~mbalazs@80.97.114.12) joined #osdev 23:57:14 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #osdev 23:57:14 --- join: dax (~you@u212-239-163-98.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 23:57:14 --- join: eirikn (~eirik@a217-118-45-95.bluecom.no) joined #osdev 23:57:14 --- join: asmodeus (~www@h232n2fls33o867.telia.com) joined #osdev 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/02.10.01