00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/02.12.31 00:02:21 I changed it to plain text... 00:07:47 nah, im playing urt 00:07:57 oh 00:08:06 do you want me to DCC it to you? 00:08:21 dcc, url, whatever 00:08:52 ok 00:09:12 just accept it and when your through reading it tell me what u think 00:11:00 ok it timed out ill resend it 00:13:16 ok it timed out... 00:13:23 just tell me when u get back 00:18:41 yer dcc is busted 00:20:29 oh 00:20:33 brb 00:21:12 01:14 OPN DCC GET: Detected busted windows client from Xeon 00:23:04 yes 00:24:39 --- join: trans (wgzctk@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 00:27:15 ok 00:27:18 sorry air 00:27:29 here is the place click for the article 00:27:31 http://www.geocities.com/insomniatic_coder/ 00:31:27 are you done? 00:31:33 has anyone read it yet? 00:32:38 no 00:32:42 still playing urt 00:32:52 reading while im dead 00:32:59 hhaha 00:33:01 nice air 00:33:27 * air was tk'd 00:34:06 ...oh, ok. i guess thats ok 00:35:11 --- join: Mathis (~Mathis@manz-d9b94c11.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 00:35:31 hiyall 00:36:39 ho 00:36:49 want to read my article? :) 00:36:54 http://www.geocities.com/insomniatic_coder/ 00:37:10 sure 00:37:28 Geocities?!? 00:37:40 or Click here ... ? 00:38:07 yes 00:38:15 --- quit: witten_ ("bye") 00:38:15 the first click here :) 00:38:46 TorixOS? 00:38:47 --- part: Xeon left #osdev 00:39:28 --- join: zhware (~stoyan@pddba31.osakac00.ap.so-net.ne.jp) joined #osdev 00:40:18 --- join: Xeon (~ask@cs666823-113.austin.rr.com) joined #osdev 00:41:36 --- quit: Xeon (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:41:55 --- join: Xeon (~ask@cs666823-113.austin.rr.com) joined #osdev 00:42:11 sorry disconnected 00:42:56 jo 00:43:22 TorixOS? 00:43:55 yea 00:44:29 :) 00:44:30 woah - alot of text, you really want me to read that? 00:44:31 like? 00:44:52 why not? :) its enlightening 00:45:15 for whom? 00:45:27 author and reader 00:45:49 specify 'reader' 00:46:47 well 00:46:53 whoever reads it 00:47:46 hi everyone 00:47:50 artisans?!? 00:47:54 not artists? 00:48:02 ho mik42 00:48:03 no 00:48:22 an artisan creates sculptures... 00:48:34 artisans are anyone who is involved in music, art, etc. 00:48:40 well 00:48:52 for mechanics... 00:48:59 does anyone want to help me test out my game?? I've run into a small bug. It's sort of related to osdev. 00:49:03 thats typically what the term is used for, but its generally for all of them 00:49:16 welll... 00:50:25 1st para contained no content of value 00:51:02 --- quit: zhware ("Client Exiting") 00:51:14 hey Xeon, your article is VERY subjective... 00:51:26 should an article not be objective? 00:51:56 why is it subjective? 00:52:00 "For one, the desktop layer over the console just doesn't feel right." <--- are you sure? 00:52:18 "KDE still doesn't look as pretty as the Windows XP GUI, no matter what face you put on it." 00:52:27 THAT is subjective... 00:52:47 uhh 00:53:04 my desktop looks 10000x nicer than luna 00:53:19 what is your desktop called? 00:53:27 MyDesktop 00:53:32 ehehe 00:53:36 operating system? 00:53:42 http://www.qzx.com/about/X-theme/ 00:54:06 ah 00:54:22 so much easier to use 00:54:29 so efficient 00:54:45 Ok, ill revise it tomarrow if you guys think i should 00:54:50 where are you at air? 00:54:56 tell Xeon, that he's wrong... 00:54:58 in front of my computer 00:55:11 second paragraph? 00:55:18 Xeon: yer wrong, dunno what about but yer wrong :) 00:56:10 anyway, dont compare the ugliness of default themes for different desktop managers 00:56:37 dont compare 'the look' at all 00:56:45 ok 00:57:03 some ppl like exotic looking sports cuz, some like station wagons 00:57:11 s/cuz/cars/ 00:57:22 others like trucks 00:58:23 I like the professional design... 00:58:42 and some space wallpapers... 00:58:46 luna's look is anything but professional 01:00:08 lez see how my 3D.GUI will look like... 01:00:12 yea, some people like sunfire's :P (looking at your car pics) 01:00:19 every app is an own computer system... 01:00:20 :) 01:08:49 hahahaha 01:08:52 http://www.qzx.com/about/stuff/Would_you_have_invested.jpg 01:09:22 Microsost, ehehe 01:10:42 heh, the right one with dark hairs have been seen in Windows 3.1 somewhere 01:13:05 or was it the upper right one? 01:14:51 haha 01:14:57 NOW THIS IS FUNNY 01:15:00 http://www.qzx.com/about/stuff/coffeePC.jpg 01:15:41 what the ... 01:16:22 this is so wrong yet so funny 01:16:24 http://www.qzx.com/about/stuff/arguing.jpg 01:27:05 --- quit: Mathis ("gotcha!") 01:39:59 air: did you finish reading it? 01:40:23 no 01:40:26 still playing 01:41:59 uhh 01:42:12 i suggest u remove para2 01:42:33 it makes u look like a clueless noob that doesnt understand unix 01:43:22 who are you talking to? 01:43:28 xeon 01:43:47 http://www.geocities.com/insomniatic_coder/Document.txt <-- Xeon's reasons for making his OS 01:45:13 air: why does it make me look like a n00b i use linux almost everyday 01:45:19 remove para3 01:45:23 i use windows to get on the internet 01:52:04 hey xeon , are there other OS kernels written in C++ ? 01:52:42 well 01:54:05 i don't know of any myself, i heard an os called ukernel was and i have some docs on it that i haven't read. theres some old (like 1990) OO unix clones, but i havent found the source to them yet. 01:54:41 --- quit: villain ("Merry Cristmas !") 01:54:49 oh 1990 unix clones in C++ ? hmm... 01:55:08 even i havent heard and i saw C++ mentioned in ur page.. so was just curious 01:55:36 beos is C++ 01:56:01 oh k 01:56:25 Xeon: i suggest u dont name any OSes on yer page 01:56:30 Xeon: it makes u look bad 01:57:06 really? is that because you like linux, or is it a non-biased suggestion? 01:57:20 i might have gone a little overboard. hrm 01:57:26 u do nothing but bash unix 01:57:32 and praise windows 01:57:43 just the second paragraph 01:57:54 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:57:59 those who know anything about unix will think yer a windows noob 01:58:33 but im not, how could i prove in the article that i know unix as well? 01:58:59 its ok to point out design flaws in OSes 01:59:13 but u dont mention a single design flaw 01:59:18 u only bash unix 01:59:25 yes! thats what i'll do, bash windows too 01:59:36 rename the page to "Unix bashing by a Windows noob" 01:59:52 I'm pretty consistent about bashing bloze. 01:59:59 :( ok now you're just being mean 02:00:10 hardware as files is what makes unix 02:00:28 :) 02:00:44 u were being mean when writing that page 02:00:55 I burn Gates in effigy while giving Redmond the finger. 02:01:08 its just constructive critisizm though. 02:01:11 wli: heh 02:01:16 Xeon: no its not 02:01:19 btw i dont like windows 02:01:26 either 02:01:29 shit 02:01:39 u said windows would be the perfect OS if it was opensource 02:01:45 hehe 02:01:48 + 5 times a day 02:01:54 no 02:02:01 i said it would be king 02:02:06 it still would suck 02:02:31 anyway, dump the first 3 paras 02:02:42 ok 02:02:57 bloze is really really stinky 02:03:08 You have no idea how bad it is. 02:03:19 oh but i do 02:03:27 Have you seen the source? 02:03:59 yes, bits and pieces from leaked sources from uni sites 02:04:15 hm 02:05:15 unis don't get bloze src last I checked. 02:05:35 they do 02:05:39 Most -vendors- don't get src either. They just get a sample HAL. 02:06:08 Xeon: para 4 can also be thrown away 02:06:14 i think MIT and some other technical colleges are the ones that get them. 02:06:25 air?!? 02:06:51 you're throwing away my entire article, that paragraph is the focus point of my article! 02:07:13 ...oh... 02:07:28 para 4 says "my OS will be easy to use" 02:07:42 that fits on a single line 02:07:49 u dont need an entire paragraph 02:08:28 heh 02:08:47 yer kernel will use every feature C++ has to offer, even the bad ones :) 02:09:24 u will even create dummy chunks of code to use the features u couldnt figure out how to work in 02:09:33 :) 02:11:02 "The best algorithms will be picked, " <-- i woulda used the most flawed and inefficient ones :) 02:11:33 btw, im not trying to be mean, just laugh at it and move on :) 02:11:48 ok... 02:11:53 --- join: yuriz (~yuriz@rcr.teraflops.com) joined #osdev 02:13:43 the technical stuff para with all the buzzwords is ok 02:15:15 but u should shave off the bottom half of it 02:15:15 and replace the "why" para with more detail 02:15:15 what do you mean by buzzwords? 02:15:35 ToriX will be a multiprocess, multithreaded, multiuser kernel of my own 02:15:35 design. The design is not quite monolithic, not quite a microkernel, and not 02:15:36 quite an exokernel. 02:15:54 everything after that delete? 02:16:14 no 02:17:27 ppl know what buzzwords mean 02:17:46 if its not a buzzword u need describe it 02:18:18 oh, like something that people know or like something that grabs thier attn? 02:22:22 I think im going to fix this another way, sorry if i offended you air. 02:24:58 hey Xeon. so you dont have much of asm in ur code? or are all the initial stuff thats been done already in assembly? 02:25:17 i have very little asm in my code. 02:25:22 i use the grub bootloader 02:25:36 ok. what about mapping PIC? 02:25:40 thats in C++? 02:25:51 yes, 1 line of asm though 02:25:59 its the programmable interrupt controller 02:26:28 http://www.mega-tokyo.com/os/os-faq-pics.html#what_pic 02:26:31 --- join: dax (dax@u212-239-163-17.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 02:26:34 --- nick: dax -> dax|water 02:26:45 yeah. i know PIC. was asking if you did all the remapping in C++ 02:27:32 oh 02:27:38 yea 02:28:00 oh ok. 02:28:14 you got some more links on this remapping PIC stuff? 02:28:42 no, sorry 02:28:52 the above link is what i learned from and OS source 02:28:54 hmm. so you just followed that one link? ;) 02:28:57 ohh. okay 02:29:12 grr grr grrrrrr 02:29:53 ...? 02:29:53 --- join: n\ (~netguy2@neutrixx.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #osdev 02:30:09 man its 4:30 am here i need to get to bed soon 02:30:53 gnite then 02:31:06 this sucks 02:31:33 what? 02:31:47 --- part: n\ left #osdev 02:31:57 see my nick 02:31:58 lol 02:32:08 the uhm "excessive" amount of water 02:39:47 g2g all 02:39:48 bye 02:39:50 --- quit: Xeon () 03:19:14 --- join: prologic (prologic@CPE-203-51-242-85.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #osdev 03:19:21 ehlo 03:27:39 --- join: trans (ciqisg@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 04:06:04 hullo 04:20:49 --- join: zwanem (User-10413@modemcable092.130-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 04:21:13 darkito! xD 04:21:18 Robert ! 04:21:21 My Minix hacker :) 04:21:27 merry christmash 04:21:42 heh 04:22:22 Happy new year :) 04:22:23 how're your holidays going? 04:22:29 heh thx :) 04:22:32 I got some fireworks >:) 04:23:05 firework == ? 04:23:40 okay I'm alive 04:23:48 heh 04:23:52 morning file 04:24:03 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:24:31 darkito: Like... rockets that go up and explode in the sky. 04:24:39 Stuff like that-. 04:24:43 ahhh 04:24:44 heheh 04:25:13 "petardos, vengalas" 04:25:16 heh 04:29:57 --- join: Mathis (~Mathis@manz-d9b950a7.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #osdev 04:32:19 * file[bed] ponders... 04:32:26 hmmm 04:33:02 ponder about not to stay in bed? *g* 04:34:03 na 04:34:05 er nah 04:34:08 I found an auction... 04:34:20 but it's for the entire computer 04:34:23 which would be 04:34:27 $$$ for shipping 04:34:50 I think it's LPX... 04:35:50 --- join: pavlovski (~Tim@host217-43-101-150.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) joined #osdev 04:36:01 I was thinking about buying another computer too... 04:36:08 then I would have 3 here 04:36:34 a P4 3GHz (mainly coz it can do HyperThreading) 04:36:37 Mathis: I wanted a dual processor system 04:36:47 well thats what I wanted too... 04:36:56 HyperThreading looks really cool - if you get it you'll have to tell me if there's any improvement 04:36:58 but not with Pentium Pro's *g* 04:37:18 file[bed]: there IS any improvement 04:38:09 --- quit: zwane_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:38:16 independent magazines have done tests 04:38:55 but I want a dual P4 system with 3GHz CPUs (or faster ones ;-) 04:39:00 hehe 04:39:35 but atm I dont know for what I could really use the new computing power... 04:39:58 everything I am doing here with this equipment is doing fine... 04:42:06 I accept donations. 04:44:49 --- part: yuriz left #osdev 04:46:16 name me some dual P-Pro mobos! 04:47:12 nothing fancy 04:48:38 do you accept all my money and all I have? 04:49:06 I accept credit cards via Paypal ;) 04:49:09 and hardware donations 04:49:22 also you'll have to transmit the message to my parents that I'm died - eye to eye 04:50:07 ic 04:50:20 I don't suppose you have a budget for airfare? 04:50:55 airfare? 04:51:48 oh nevermind 04:52:02 dont talk finnish here please ;-) 05:27:59 --- join: trans (bddgok@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 05:31:02 hello 05:31:07 hello 05:32:10 I've got a few bucks... what should I buy? 05:33:29 buy me a big ice-cream ;-) 05:33:37 hehe 05:35:14 maybe a banana split.... mmmmh, banana split.... 05:38:15 --- join: SLACKo_ (~SLACKo@65.199.129.120) joined #osdev 05:38:25 --- nick: SLACKo_ -> SLACKo 05:38:37 well what should I get dang it... 05:38:40 * Mathis is now known as Mathis 05:38:44 ups *g* 05:39:04 eh nothin' I guess... 05:43:31 I give up :) 05:46:04 ;-) 05:46:09 HUNGRY!!!! 05:46:11 ;-) 05:46:24 * file[bed] returns to his laptop as his workstation is defragmenting 05:46:35 hehe, defragmenting, hehe 05:47:44 * file[bed] is accepting hardware donations 05:49:51 anybody have anything to donate? 05:49:58 a new PCI video card would be good... 05:50:27 tel cable? :-) 05:51:00 bah 05:51:26 everything else is in use here 05:51:59 Mathis: ic 05:52:02 thanks anyway 05:52:18 no, you dont see, my webcam is offline... 05:53:24 put it online! :) 05:54:18 unable to comply, software out of function 05:54:57 okay then :) 06:05:33 --- quit: Rico (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:09:48 curses 06:10:00 I can't share my printer on the network cause my laptop runs WinNT4 06:12:06 Mathis? 06:12:10 file? 06:12:15 what's up? 06:12:24 my computers are up and running 06:12:29 great 06:12:32 oh macaroni and cheese 06:12:34 and u? 06:12:37 I was gonna call Radioshack 06:12:48 seeing if Radioshack has the hub I wanted 06:13:00 not switch? 06:14:55 Mathis: the hub is $17.30 with tax 06:15:05 and? 06:15:22 and I've got a $50 gift card for Radioshack 06:16:12 a 5-port network switch from Belkin is $54.99 from them 06:16:13 on sale 06:16:16 without tax 06:16:29 a switch is faster than a hub 06:16:55 a switch costs more too :p 06:16:59 and I'm only on a 10Mbps network 06:17:08 ah, then buy a hub 06:18:56 CAT5 ripoff... 06:19:05 7' for $9.99 06:19:27 you're fixed on prices arent you? 06:20:01 well I can get the CAT5 for free :) 06:21:03 not? hmmm.... 06:23:17 I don't trust this online system 06:23:46 it tells you if it's in stock 06:25:05 go buy it in a shop 06:25:32 that's what I'm doing 06:25:37 but it tells you if it's in stock at the store 06:42:58 --- quit: file[bed] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:43:11 --- join: Zenton (~vicente@8.Red-80-34-35.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #osdev 06:49:43 --- join: High_Voltz (~Mystry@FUSA-du-240-10-137.dial.1st.net) joined #osdev 07:00:23 --- quit: High_Voltz () 07:00:53 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:14:31 seems as if i keep getting good reasons for delaying daxos 07:21:28 --- join: Anitox (anitox@68.16.0.66) joined #osdev 07:30:54 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-187-132.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 07:30:56 hey 07:31:14 salve, mur 07:31:44 ermph 07:32:14 guten tag, mathis 07:32:22 ermph, file 07:32:32 Tach, mur 07:32:32 * file was going to call Radioshack... 07:32:42 Tach, Post! 07:32:45 *g* 07:32:51 heh 07:32:58 das ist nicht, Mathis 07:33:01 ? 07:33:04 nm 07:33:05 :) 07:33:14 I dont understand 07:34:23 Happy New Year! 07:34:34 here it hasn't changed yet 07:34:35 :P 07:34:40 good new year, prologic 07:34:58 :) 07:35:04 yer i know it hasn't for some people 07:35:06 but has for us 07:35:07 :) 07:35:19 for you? 07:35:19 k 07:35:45 yup 07:35:46 no 07:35:47 for us 07:35:53 East Australia 07:35:58 Namely QLD 07:36:15 strine 07:36:16 ya 07:37:14 --- join: lodda (htjonhigfg@p508FED29.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 07:37:21 hey! 07:37:23 hello lodda 07:37:28 hey! 07:37:39 murrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 07:37:47 hey! Mathis! 07:38:09 hey! lodda! 07:38:28 prologic: new year, new tricks 07:39:54 AIIIIIIRRRR AIR? 07:40:04 is air here? 07:40:09 yep 07:40:14 cant you breath? 07:40:18 *g* 07:40:51 lodda: good news 07:41:03 won't be working on daxos the comming week or so. 07:41:07 oh wait that's bad 07:41:09 whatever 07:41:54 dax|water: aha *g* 07:42:41 Mathis: dont fart too much, it bring methane gases to harm the environment 07:43:03 dax|water: why not? 07:43:03 methane comes out of the bottom of ponds and lakes 07:43:08 mur: I dont fart, dont wanna hurt you 07:45:41 Mathis: how sweet of you! :) 07:46:07 yep ;-) 07:46:15 Anitox: but mathis DOES have bottom too 07:46:20 (too bad) 07:46:39 ? 07:49:54 don't you think "2003" sounds ugly? 07:50:00 2k3 07:51:03 2 gay tree! 07:51:10 ugly Mathis! 07:51:11 ??? 07:51:18 hehe 07:51:24 normal... 07:51:32 anyway 07:51:55 --- quit: mur (Remote closed the connection) 07:52:23 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-187-132.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 07:52:24 mur's lost 07:52:26 argh! 07:52:31 wb murrr 07:52:51 thank you 07:53:34 Air's client encountered some weird problem 07:53:38 what about '03 07:54:51 too 1980's like 07:55:03 2002 was anagram year 07:55:15 year 3 of second millenia 07:55:15 palindrome 07:55:20 hmm yes 07:56:21 anyone wants some water? 07:56:24 i have some kind of y2k error in my head..i think still it's 2000 sometimes.. 07:56:34 dax|water: hmm? 07:56:48 come & swim in my street or backyard or whatever 07:56:50 grr 07:57:22 dax|water: hehe, flooded? 07:57:28 how many inches? 07:57:31 http://home.pi.be/~p4u02228/water/oops.jpg <-- no kiddin 07:58:12 INCHES! 07:58:19 we dont use outdated units 07:58:20 :( 07:58:35 i don't do inches 07:58:39 bout 20cm atm 07:58:48 is house 23 yours? 07:59:00 erm..13 07:59:01 13 07:59:01 sorry, i live in america, land of outdated measurements 07:59:03 yea 07:59:27 7.88inches 07:59:40 you could kinda belly swim on that 07:59:54 was knee-high last evening 07:59:58 lowered a bit 08:00:07 but it's raising again :/ 08:00:11 quckly too 08:00:13 where are you? 08:00:17 belgium 08:00:20 ah 08:00:30 is it water from the sea? 08:00:40 or are you living at a river? 08:01:00 river 08:01:21 i have a creek in my backyard that overflows sometimes... 08:03:14 dax|water: time to learn how to swin 08:03:56 mur: uhm i'm a pretty decent swimmer 08:04:09 but i'm not going to swim in THAT water 08:04:12 i'm not crazy 08:04:19 *not that 08:06:38 :) 08:06:59 "i have always wanted a swim pool!" 08:07:02 * file just got his new hub put aside at the store 08:10:17 --- nick: darkito -> PING_ 08:10:23 hehe 08:10:43 if you press ^z in bottom Air's Cria looks just like matrixx :) 08:12:21 --- nick: PING_ -> lala 08:12:28 --- quit: mur (Remote closed the connection) 08:12:34 --- nick: lala -> PINGao 08:12:52 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-187-132.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 08:13:04 murururur 08:13:43 --- nick: PINGao -> darkito 08:17:36 --- quit: darkito (":bye!") 08:21:17 mur: lol 08:25:04 restarting in a sec 08:25:46 --- join: trans (ygagst@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 08:26:02 tarns 08:26:28 --- join: spaz (~kreep@mkc-65-28-33-22.kc.rr.com) joined #osdev 08:27:10 --- join: mur` (jukka@baana-62-165-187-132.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 08:27:48 --- quit: mur ("okay i'll be back in another client that is up and running") 08:27:55 mur`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r`r` 08:27:59 --- nick: mur` -> mur 08:28:07 aah :) 08:28:12 erm.. :( 08:30:21 mur ned rum, lodda 08:42:42 * mur doesnt drink alco 08:42:43 --- quit: SLACKo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:46:47 Mathis: wrong, maybe he ned rrrum, but never rum 08:48:57 rum is room in swedish 08:50:14 aha *g*. Robert sleeps in rum! 08:50:21 what a life! 08:52:20 yes indeed! 08:52:34 although, i'm not sure if swedes sleep in trees ;) 08:55:34 Sure they do. 08:55:45 like loddas? :P 08:55:57 No, like murs. 08:56:04 nah 08:56:08 murs dont sleep in tree 08:56:15 neither in caves 08:56:23 they build a nest for winter 08:56:26 --- part: mors left #osdev 08:56:41 that mur had forgotten something ;) 08:56:47 Swedish people are just murs who live at another place (but still in trees). 08:57:20 A nest in a tree. 08:57:33 no 08:57:39 Sure. 08:57:47 If used to watch murs. 08:57:56 *I 08:58:54 peep! 08:59:08 * mur still has nothign to do with swedish ;) 08:59:50 Yes, of course, but swedish people are all murs, but they don't know. 09:00:14 be quiet now 09:00:21 Why? 09:00:25 or the year will not change in germany 09:00:27 Have you op? :) 09:00:30 you'll be stuck in year 2002 09:00:49 yes LIFE-op 09:00:50 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:01:26 I don't like 2003 in any way. 09:02:38 Mur: Your LIFE-Op is nice, but useless for IRC. 09:03:40 The mur is quiet now. :( I made it sad. 09:05:48 I killed the Conversation. :( 09:05:56 lodda, i can put you to 2000 bc too 09:06:07 you can not irc then, muhahaha 09:06:14 Cool! Do so! 09:06:28 sure but i'm busy now 09:06:39 :( 09:07:10 Murrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 09:07:29 That's not fair. 09:08:48 Mur: liar. 09:09:21 lie is fie for fay for new year day 09:09:47 Mur: Aha? 09:09:59 yes 09:21:05 moo. 09:31:49 how hard is it to learn opengl? anyone know? 09:32:19 im giving up on osdev for a while...gonna work on something a little more simple while i read up on theory 09:34:30 bah, opengl is easy 09:34:52 hmm 09:35:21 I'm gonna port Mesa 5.0 into my OS... 09:42:21 Mathis: does your os have a gui? 09:42:27 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp82168.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 09:42:28 yes, but incomplete 09:43:03 sweet 09:43:07 can you send a screen shot 09:43:47 nope 09:43:52 too incomplete *g* 09:44:00 wanna redesign it to a 3D.GUI 09:44:44 come on 09:44:45 lol 09:45:02 ill be a beta tester 09:45:04 thats why I wanna use Mesa 09:45:32 my incomplete GUI will be redesigned 09:45:36 but first I need some ATA drivers for harddisk drivers 09:45:42 and for that I want modularity 09:46:20 and that is what I'm working on 09:49:25 mmm, orange flavored chocolate 09:53:56 gotta go for a while(30-90 minutes) 10:20:14 --- join: darkito (darkito@80-25-82-102.uc.nombres.ttd.es) joined #osdev 10:20:37 hihi 10:21:54 ? 10:22:26 ?? 10:22:34 hihi ??? 10:22:39 ah 10:22:53 expand("hihi") 10:22:55 hellohello 10:23:00 oh 10:23:09 :) 10:23:13 thought about 'hihi' of modification 'hehe' 10:23:49 :) 10:30:28 --- join: trans (iullyx@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 10:36:04 heyllo all again 10:36:21 hihi is giggling 10:36:22 :) 10:36:36 what about 'eheh' 10:50:09 hehe 10:50:11 rather 11:07:08 --- quit: minddog (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:07:38 so 11:07:39 wake up all 11:07:45 are there some year changing parties on irc? 11:07:46 ;) 11:07:58 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:15:02 --- quit: wossname ("LOL") 11:34:19 --- join: minddog (~minddog@ip68-98-85-105.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #osdev 11:53:24 --- quit: pavlovski ("Client Exiting") 12:00:49 --- quit: file (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:06:27 --- join: file (jwired@mctn1-3994.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 12:13:00 --- quit: minddog (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:17:57 --- join: witten_ (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 12:18:37 I just found this declaration in some source code... static volatile unsigned char *video; Can anyone tell me what the volatile is for? 12:18:41 hey all 12:19:18 * file is now the proud owner of a refurbished Netgear hub 12:19:26 hm 12:19:29 --- join: pavlovski (~Tim@host217-43-101-150.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) joined #osdev 12:19:34 file is children! 12:19:44 pround of his children 12:19:46 yay 12:20:46 hey pavlovski! 12:21:08 hey mur 12:21:32 hi pavlovski 12:21:37 unfortunately... 12:21:42 hey file 12:21:49 due to my lack of CAT5, I can't migrate my network to the Netgear hub yet 12:22:33 pavlovski, can you sat "packed by people with a real sweet tooth" ? 12:22:36 say 12:22:50 sure, I can say that 12:23:00 it is good english? 12:23:14 mur: it makes sense 12:23:25 yes, although using 'real' like that is more American than British 12:28:34 --- join: witten__ (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 12:28:51 --- join: trans (jhdbtv@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 12:28:57 hi 12:31:39 --- join: minddog (minddog@ip68-98-85-105.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #osdev 12:46:02 --- quit: witten_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:50:58 --- quit: witten__ ("bye") 12:55:07 --- join: witten_ (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 13:02:35 --- quit: spaz ("Client Exiting") 13:07:23 --- quit: Anitox () 13:10:43 --- join: Xeon (~ask@cs666823-113.austin.rr.com) joined #osdev 13:10:48 Hello everyone. 13:11:22 ho CPU 13:14:59 I can set my NIC to NE2000 clone mode... useful 13:29:59 I've been reading up more and more on exokernels and the idea seems to get better every time I read... 13:31:44 what do you like about it? 13:37:42 Well the idea that the programs do their own abstractions and resource management 13:38:08 The idea that the kernel is just there to uphold security and nothing else 13:38:30 --- quit: trans (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:38:50 And, of course, the idea that it can be exponentially faster than other kernel designs 13:40:01 how would it work in practice? 13:40:13 the only example of an exokernel I've seen is MS-DOS, and that's single task/single user 13:43:15 MS-DOS isnt an exokernel 13:43:37 but it could be run on top of an exokernel 13:43:50 I read that the only commercial exokernel is an OS called 'Xok' 13:43:54 why isn't MS-DOS an exokernel? it fits any definition I've seen 13:44:58 does MS-DOS really have a kernel? *g* 13:46:26 it's got a small memory manager, process loader and file system layer, which sit on top of the BIOS 13:46:39 applications are responsible for most of their hardware access, in conjunction with BIOS routines 14:03:18 exokernels dont deal with the file system 14:03:25 if im not mistaken 14:04:21 what kernel design is Mobius? 14:04:33 exokernels are dumb 14:06:42 no, but in other respects I'd consider DOS to be one 14:06:48 Xeon: monolithic 14:12:43 blah blah another mono 14:15:54 it's boring but it works 14:24:09 --- quit: n0vice ("I like core dumps") 14:25:59 hm 14:30:10 compiling is actully fun if you play net radio and irc meanwhile. is something wrong? :) 14:31:28 I say - lalala 14:34:48 --- quit: witten_ ("bye") 14:37:34 why won't printf display non-enlish chars? 14:39:54 it prints only ascii characters ? 14:40:15 air, it shoudl 14:40:16 * file throws a hub at Xeon 14:41:06 i have a u with double dots and it shows up in pico but not in cria 14:41:59 "\t-- Translations by Niklas Klügel and Gerardo Canosa", 14:42:16 did u guys see the 'u' in Klugel? 14:42:48 looks OK to me 14:42:50 yes 14:43:09 so why wont cria display it? 14:43:12 perhaps it is because you dont have NLS or correct char set 14:43:23 hmm 14:43:47 i guess you run us ascii, not latin-1 or latin-15 14:44:00 what about the locale() function? 14:44:06 or was it setlocale()? 14:44:08 wtf would pico display it? 14:44:37 uhmm 14:45:07 mmm 14:45:13 I need my laptop's wired NIC... 14:45:18 i'll dcc you finnish translation beta once one file is donwload 14:45:21 ed 14:45:26 -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1 14:46:01 hmm' 14:49:17 air translation may need some fixes 14:49:21 mine 14:49:29 i havent checked it very carefully 15:03:32 hmm 15:05:30 ü < ' ' 15:09:33 there, now it displays that damn ü 15:09:56 hm 15:12:08 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp82168.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 15:15:06 --- join: trans (bluiob@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 15:20:00 happy new year :) 15:20:15 ditto# 15:21:02 hahaha 15:21:27 damn ü sounds like damn you 15:22:04 über 15:22:25 süber man 15:39:07 hehe one bulletin board has overflown from messages today 15:39:13 seems to bepeople quite desperate 15:39:15 hehe 15:47:44 mur: can u export an eterm to my computer? 15:56:34 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:57:05 hm 15:58:13 k soon 16:01:10 --- quit: wossname ("":D") 16:01:36 --- join: witten_ (~witten@adsl-gte-la-216-86-200-68.mminternet.com) joined #osdev 16:02:24 --- join: trans (rdahic@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 16:07:12 --- join: jsr (www@du-14-85.ppp.telenordia.se) joined #osdev 16:31:04 --- join: Xeon` (~ask@cs666823-113.austin.rr.com) joined #osdev 16:39:58 *yawn* 16:43:37 --- quit: Xeon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:44:46 hrmph 16:44:51 very interesting 16:45:54 what is? 16:46:02 nothin' 16:46:02 * mur yawns too 16:46:14 dont read those yawn lines, they make you tired! 16:46:26 nite 16:46:46 sleep well lodda 16:46:56 * file throws his hub at mur 16:47:01 thanks! 16:47:34 you wont have this back, since i have no power to throw it back 16:47:46 :p 16:47:57 * pavlovski writes a kernel 16:48:00 10000 KM! 16:48:50 it's got a page allocator and an interrupt handler so far 16:49:22 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:50:12 somebody's been trying to get into my system 16:51:35 --- quit: lodda ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 16:56:47 file, come and fetch the hub back 16:56:49 :) 17:03:53 --- quit: Mathis ("gotcha!") 17:05:18 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@gc-nas-01-s78.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 17:08:53 --- join: Mikaku (~mikaku@193-153-8-74.uc.nombres.ttd.es) joined #osdev 17:09:12 hi & happy new year * 17:09:31 happy new year! 17:09:56 hyvää uutta vuotta, Mik 17:10:01 ja pavlovski 17:10:06 Hej. 17:10:10 Happy new year, all. 17:10:36 hyvää (nyt jo) vanhaa vuotta, Robert 17:10:37 :) 17:13:18 :) 17:13:27 "Nyt jo"? 17:13:48 already now 17:13:57 Ah :) 17:16:00 mitä kuuluu? 17:16:08 STFU U FINNZ0R 17:16:36 Robert, dont you like me anymore :( 17:17:41 it's nice weather in finland.. -30 celsius so 17:19:22 --- nick: Kurt -> Lurt 17:19:22 --- quit: Xeon` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:19:41 * mur puts Robert to frid.. ah. outside 17:19:53 --- nick: Lurt -> Kurt 17:21:13 :)) 17:23:04 and i wont open door until you are blue 17:34:15 --- part: witten_ left #osdev 17:35:34 --- quit: mur ("Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over IRC. NOW WITH XMAS EXTRA FEAT) 17:40:53 --- join: neniu (~masm@cliente-217-70-66-35.bragatel.pt) joined #osdev 17:44:37 --- quit: neniu (Client Quit) 17:47:38 need to sleep (bye *) 17:47:40 --- part: Mikaku left #osdev 17:58:41 --- join: Xeon (~ask@cs666823-113.austin.rr.com) joined #osdev 18:01:33 --- quit: Xeon (Client Quit) 18:07:42 --- join: trans (vqtfcu@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 18:47:08 --- quit: air ("CRIA 0.2.7cvs5 -- http://cria.sf.net") 18:47:13 --- join: air2 (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 18:57:55 --- nick: air2 -> air 19:05:42 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:05:52 --- quit: jsr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:14:51 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by ear") 20:07:54 --- join: trans (xwmpoh@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 20:27:25 --- join: pengo (xtofu@CPE-144-132-255-124.nsw.bigpond.net.au) joined #osdev 20:35:56 --- quit: trans (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:56:07 --- join: draq (ident@ESS-p-144-138-45-139.mega.tmns.net.au) joined #osdev 21:42:28 --- join: nothing (a-o-l@AC98817A.ipt.aol.com) joined #osdev 21:42:32 hidy ho 21:42:36 how goes the osdevving? 21:42:43 who here is going to be the next Linus Torvalds? :> 21:44:05 * nothing taps foot 22:00:25 --- join: mors (~skywalker@64.104.136.104) joined #osdev 22:08:07 --- join: trans (vhkzeq@fatwire-201-98.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 22:16:21 --- quit: Zenton (Remote closed the connection) 22:19:06 --- mode: ChanServ set +o air 22:19:07 --- mode: air set +b *!*@*.aol.com 22:19:11 --- kick: nothing was kicked by air (air) 22:19:13 --- mode: air set -o air 22:41:48 --- join: Xeon (~ask@cs666823-113.austin.rr.com) joined #osdev 22:41:54 HAPPY NEW YEARS! 22:41:55 :) 22:42:10 --- join: Xeon` (~ask@cs666823-113.austin.rr.com) joined #osdev 22:42:14 :) 22:42:48 --- quit: Xeon (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) 22:43:02 --- nick: Xeon` -> Xeon 22:44:17 Happy new year to this Universe and to ye too, Xeon 22:59:56 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:03:58 --- part: mik42 left #osdev 23:11:45 hello 23:13:37 hello 23:16:26 happy new beers 23:19:21 --- nick: darkito -> PING_ 23:19:35 --- nick: PING_ -> darkito 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/02.12.31