00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/03.06.12 00:10:54 --- quit: zwane_ ("Client Exiting") 00:28:29 --- quit: gab (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:33:07 --- quit: ruiner () 00:39:52 --- join: trans (tpdtxu@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 00:40:43 --- join: gab (~prfalken@gaia.chx-labs.org) joined #osdev 00:50:30 --- join: dax (dax@u212-239-164-85.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 01:01:11 --- join: PurpleHaze (~purplehaz@h84n1fls31o1104.telia.com) joined #osdev 01:06:14 lynx: going well :) 01:13:45 --- join: Mathis (irc@pD9EAA9E9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 01:13:52 --- join: Dipp (~Dipp@as7-3-4.hka.j.bonet.se) joined #osdev 01:13:57 hi 01:14:31 hi 01:14:33 :) 01:15:12 ? 01:16:08 you said hi, i said hi! :) 01:16:23 but you also did something else... 01:16:36 :) <- I am happy 01:16:43 why? 01:17:16 --- part: yuriz left #osdev 01:17:22 Because I am....I am nearly always happy, altough I have got a cold...:/ 01:22:27 having cold sucks 01:22:34 I've been sick for the last few weeks too 01:29:30 pff 01:29:36 all these sick people 01:37:02 --- join: kez (kez@modem-3161.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 01:43:39 I hate to be sick too, It really sucks bigtime! You get like paralized for afew days... 01:44:10 so then dont get sick 01:44:40 hmm if it only were that simple... 01:45:25 easier than coding an OS 01:46:02 haha yeah proboably 01:46:35 And now I have to reinstall my Gentoo-machine because it became f*cked up for some strange reason 01:47:03 a pbcak? 01:47:21 pbcak? 01:47:35 problem between chair and keyboard 01:49:06 aha here in sweden we call it SBT "Skiten bakom tangentbordet" which means in english The Shit In Front of the Keyboard ;), and yes it proboably is pbcak.. 01:49:55 ah 01:50:13 and "moartarbreat" means motherboard? 01:50:39 I played around too much with it a few days ago, and now fsck is complaining about it can't check my drives etc and some /dev/* stuff is gone =) 01:50:57 moartarbreat? Never heard of it... 01:51:26 well motherboard in swedish is moderkort 01:51:38 and that's for sure ;) 01:52:30 do you know the japanish language? 01:53:13 nope, sorry 01:53:15 do you? 01:53:25 some words 01:53:33 ok, where are you from Mathis? 01:53:43 germany 01:54:59 aha okay 01:55:25 You are the guys who likes our Älgar 01:55:32 :) 01:55:36 just kidding.. 01:55:42 --- quit: PurpleHaze ("leaving") 01:56:02 what is Älgar? 01:56:24 Moose = Älgar 01:56:33 what is Moose? 01:56:44 Big thing looking like a horse, living in the nature only here in sweden 01:56:51 it have horns 01:57:17 Elch 01:57:40 I dont know why we should like this animal 01:59:48 hehe yea thats right Elch, I could'nt remeber it, I guess I didn't payed attention all those years I read germany in school 02:05:10 moose dont only live in sweden 02:05:15 they're all over the place 02:05:18 big in Canada too 02:05:56 northern US as well 02:06:43 okay 02:06:51 well I don't really know 02:07:04 but I know the germans are crazy in them 02:07:15 why are they called moose? 02:07:30 because of that what their voices produce? 02:07:40 it's the name of it 02:07:44 hehe good question 02:08:36 some animals are called the way their voices sound... 02:09:43 --- join: PurpleHaze (~purplehaz@h84n1fls31o1104.telia.com) joined #osdev 02:11:17 Mathis, well Moose are kind of like what they sound.. 02:11:52 since I never met a such animal, I dont know their sound 02:12:51 wow, what an engaging and fascinating conversation 02:13:01 better than saying nothing 02:13:06 I will never forget these last 10 minutes 02:13:07 jepp indeed 02:13:32 if you want this channel to be quiet, detach from server and see the emptyness 02:13:35 geist: isn't you frpm Germany too? 02:13:41 no way 02:13:54 I'm 3 generations removed 02:14:08 ehm ok 02:14:09 --- join: Divine_ (~john@12-246-112-182.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 02:14:09 dont know a word of german, except shit 02:14:15 and I can't even spell it 02:14:16 but the nick-word 'geist' is still german... 02:14:26 pure coincidence 02:14:48 I know how you can correctly spell Scheiß 02:14:58 simply say: shice 02:15:00 --- join: duhguy (~duhguy@baana-62-44-216-148.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 02:15:09 this is exact the same spell 02:15:12 ah 02:16:37 but it is normal that many non-german people know only such words 02:17:01 * geist shrugs 02:17:16 hi.. after booting my kernel with GRUB, can I safely re-set the GDT in 32bit mode? .. I read in the multiboot specs that even though grub sets the GDT and segment registers correctly you should re-set the gdt yourself.. ? 02:17:31 sure 02:17:43 there's nothing keeping you from it, and I'd recommend it 02:17:59 but if you do, you need to reload cs,ds,es,fs,gs after you load the gdt 02:18:06 I dont know why duhguy isnt just following the grub docs... 02:18:13 ok.. tnx 02:18:46 Mathis: I'am.. but I was unsure whether the gdt can be set in pmode.. I think it's normally set before going to pmode.. 02:18:56 nah, you can totally set it in pmode 02:19:05 duhguy: how about trying? 02:19:11 Mathis: now be nice 02:19:49 there's nothing you can't do in pmode that you can do in real mode 02:20:10 real mode may as well not exist if it wasn't for backwards compatibility 02:20:12 except switching to pmode... 02:20:18 right 02:20:20 since you're already there 02:21:26 why are people not just trying it before asking? 02:22:04 damnit Mathis I think you're taking it a bit far sometimes 02:22:24 yes I agree, but if everyone just figured it all out on their own there'd be no questions whatsoever 02:22:38 sure? 02:22:52 it's not if the question is asked that irks me 02:23:05 its when a whole string of questions that just keep coming 02:23:26 and the person obviously isn't spending any time taking your previous answer and using that to figure anything out 02:23:53 ie, if duhguy then started asking us how to load the gdt in prot mode, then what he should put in it, then how to load the segment registers, etc 02:23:56 on and on, that gets old 02:25:02 --- quit: Divine (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:25:04 little questions like this dont bother me that much. sure it's probably written somewhere, but as long as it's a little 'I think this is the case, I'll just ask real quickly to verify' then I dont mind 02:25:06 I got an email, where someone tells me that he cant send emails, how do I answer that? 02:25:08 and with that, I go to sleep 02:25:16 later guys 02:25:20 --- nick: geist -> geist-sleep 02:25:22 --- quit: Dipp ("well sometimes everything sucks...") 02:29:20 --- join: kyelewis (~kyelewis@dsl-27.65.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) joined #osdev 02:29:26 hola os development people 02:29:33 holla 02:30:58 now the stats pages has links for everyones projects 02:31:03 Mathis: what is yer url? 02:32:05 air: my URL? 02:32:12 for yer os 02:32:22 http://free.pages.at/mathis/ 02:34:05 nothing big 02:34:18 and not actualized since many days 02:35:28 --- quit: kez ("http://justkez.com") 02:37:26 gtg 02:37:28 --- quit: Mathis ("good night") 02:39:20 --- join: kez (kez@modem-3781.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 02:40:41 hrm 02:40:51 did cookin get rid of rtmk.org? 02:48:50 --- quit: kez ("http://justkez.com") 03:11:40 --- quit: air ("cria 0.2.8cvs15 -- http://cria.sf.net") 03:20:20 --- join: kernel2420 (~silvio@ppp-62-10-98-223.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #osdev 03:22:16 --- nick: kernel2420 -> kernel\eat 03:29:40 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:30:01 um.. if I've setup my code/data segment from 0 to 4gb, is it correct to set cs and ds to 0? 03:31:04 I'm booting with grub, and everything works correctly until now that I reset the gdt myself .. I make a code and data segment from 0 to 4gb .. the reset all the segment register to 0 .. and when I boot, the machine resets 03:51:13 umm 03:51:28 duhguy : when you setup a descriptor it get's an index 03:51:44 duhguy : you should set the cs and ds to the corresponding descriptors 03:51:45 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-185-171.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 03:52:30 duhguy : ie your cs,ds,etc are just indexes into the descriptor table 03:52:33 jonaslund: ok.. how do I know a descriptors index? 03:52:38 terve 03:52:38 hmm 03:52:44 it was REALLY a long time ago i did this 03:52:47 w8 sec 03:53:51 jonaslund: it might be that the problem is in my GDT descriptor.. ie. the one that has the limit and address of the gdt .. do you know how to get the address of an symbol in ia-32 asm? I think I'm mis-calculating the gdt's limit (size) and the addres.. 03:54:29 duhguy : i knew how to do it atleast 03:54:32 in intel syntax you could just do dw gdt_end - gdt_start .. but it's something different in ia-32 .. I tried .word (gdt_end - gdt_start) but it didn't work.. 03:54:40 i knew that stuff pretty well in 97 :) 03:55:22 uhm :) .. you don't remember it anymore? perhaps you could find some web-page that has it.. I've tried browsing thru the intel ia-32 asm manual but couldn't find exactly this.. 03:55:43 --- quit: PurpleHaze ("Klienten avslutas") 03:55:43 have you read "386intel.txt" ? 03:56:23 uhm.. no.. 03:56:53 ok.. I found it on google.. 03:57:01 it's the original manual for the 386 from intel 03:57:14 I've found that before but didn't know it describes the ia-32 syntax.. 03:57:17 everyone writing dosextenders used it back in the days :) 03:57:30 well the syntax isn't there at all 03:57:55 when you write ia-32 , do you mean gnu as syntax for x86 ? 03:59:25 yes.. the gnu "gas" syntax 03:59:30 brrr 03:59:36 the one that gcc understand directly 03:59:46 --- quit: dax (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:59:50 i prefer nasm 04:01:09 but that's another matter 04:01:23 --- join: lodsb_ (~lodsb@pD9E631DC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:01:41 but the size in bytes seems about right anyhow 04:03:52 yes.. I guess that is right since the compiler doesn't whine about it.. that leaves only the segment registers that could cause the reboot.. I set them all to 0x0 now.. 04:04:02 I should know how to get the "descriptor indices".. 04:04:17 how many bytes is each descriptor ? 04:04:34 64bits .. isn't that always so? 04:04:49 hmm 04:04:56 well then i think i remember it right 04:04:56 --- nick: kernel\eat -> kernel2420 04:05:04 the descriptors are always 8 bytes I mean.. 04:05:08 the registers are direct indexes 04:05:14 ie 04:05:31 if your second descriptor is the code section 04:05:35 set cs to 8 04:05:42 and you use the next for data 04:05:44 set it to 16 04:06:11 ahh.. so the segment registers start from the start of gdt after setting the gdt? 04:06:11 --- quit: lynx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:06:13 (i'm not at home.. i've got all my material there=) 04:06:25 yeah 04:07:10 (when i think of it it seems to fit.. as the registers are 16bit and the limit of the table is a 16bit word) 04:07:40 (someone please correct me if i'm wrong. it's really ages ago i did this :) 04:08:26 5.1.1 is the chapter in 386intel.txt btw 04:09:58 The first entry of the GDT 04:09:58 (INDEX=0) is not used by the processor, however. 04:10:09 i think that has something to do with the rebooting 04:11:14 um.. you mean the first entry of the gdt? I have that as NULL segment descriptor.. 04:11:21 the selectors (cs,etc..) are setup like this 04:12:37 bits 0,1 , RPL (privilegie level), bit 2 , Table indicator (gdt,ldt) 3-15 index into table 04:13:06 duhguy : exactly, and as you set cs,etc to 0 it find a null descriptor that literally can't do shit :) 04:13:16 --- join: dhewg (whocares@pD90554E0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:14:16 yes.. :) .. but what about that "multiplied by 8" it reads.. I guess the "index into table" must be in bits.. but I can do it in "bytes" since it's multiplied.. 04:14:26 so e.g. cs should be set to 8 just as you said 04:14:32 the index of it that is 04:14:35 yeah 04:15:04 it's just your favourite bit of silly notation 04:16:35 morning 04:16:50 hello loodda 04:17:04 i'd say that it's afternoon already 04:17:31 day it is 04:17:59 hmm, well, it is 1PM here, but i just came back from school :) 04:18:16 school on summer time :P 04:19:11 i'm sitting at school aswell 04:19:17 or 04:19:19 uni 04:19:27 no net at home 04:19:55 uni != school 04:20:45 uni is society, school is instuitute 04:20:54 --- part: dhewg left #osdev 04:21:00 heh 04:21:03 --- nick: kyelewis -> kyelewis_away 04:21:09 hey kyelewis_away :) 04:21:22 heh 04:21:25 heya 04:21:44 * kyelewis_away . Obvious enough yet? 04:21:59 no :) 04:22:16 heh 04:22:25 ok.... lets make it more obvious to you 04:22:35 * kyelewis_away <--- [nickname]_[status] 04:22:39 okay 04:22:43 now you may go to sleep 04:22:45 [Status Options] 04:22:50 away == Not here 04:22:52 but we will wait for explanation when yto come back :) 04:22:55 hmm 04:22:55 z|\z == sleep 04:23:10 If there is no argument, no state is given 04:23:22 it means you are dead!! 04:23:24 ARGH! 04:23:28 thanks mur ;) - why not just ask next time? :P - i'm not going to sleep yet :P 04:23:39 you you be back? 04:23:46 first you = when 04:23:52 yes, i will be back 04:23:57 soon? 04:24:03 erm... not sure 04:24:07 in an hour or two.. why? 04:24:56 it will be late by then 04:25:02 your mother will be angry ;) 04:25:10 lol 04:25:39 * mur is reading hungarian electronical library :) 04:34:41 --- join: silvio_ (~silvio@ppp-62-10-93-170.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #osdev 04:43:05 --- quit: Ishq ("Sic Semper Tyrannis!") 04:44:05 --- join: Ishq (Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 04:44:32 --- join: PurpleHaze (~purplehaz@h84n1fls31o1104.telia.com) joined #osdev 04:48:36 --- quit: kernel2420 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:48:56 --- join: trans (nsnkgu@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 05:04:16 has "dude" a gay character? 05:05:53 Sorry, dude.. I have no idea. 05:06:30 what is gay character? 05:06:41 ah not letter 05:06:46 lol 05:07:02 Robert: stop it! :'( 05:07:30 the language is what we make it 05:07:34 :P 05:07:53 * mur has been always fond of languages 05:08:05 when i was small i said "ich liebe dich" for fun because it sounded funny :) 05:12:11 --- quit: coredump ("I like core dumps") 05:12:48 --- quit: trans (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:13:38 --- join: file[bed] (~intranet@mctn1-1356.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 05:17:41 hello? 05:18:19 Hello! 05:18:23 hi Robert 05:18:37 how are you? 05:19:04 hello bed :) 05:19:28 my bed made a sound, which translates to "hello mur" 05:20:44 Not too bad.. having a bit of a cold, maybe. 05:20:54 But otherwise it's just fine, vacation starts tomorrow. :) 05:21:02 uh huh 05:23:39 * file[bed] had no exam today so he stayed home 05:24:59 I'm waiting for a phone call.... 05:26:02 --- join: Ishq- (Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 05:26:19 --- quit: Ishq (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: Ishq-!Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net))) 05:31:11 --- join: dax (dax@u212-239-164-85.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 05:31:28 hi dax 05:35:50 anybody concious? 05:38:39 * mur is 1 05:38:59 what is wrong with this: movw $0x80, %cs .. I get: init.S:83: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' .. ? 05:39:46 I get the same for "movw %ds, %es" too .. ?? 05:40:06 use %ax 05:40:14 movw $0x80, %ax; movw %ax, %cs 05:40:30 direct moves to CS are illegal 05:41:06 for the others you must use ax as 'buffer' 05:41:27 you can only change CS with a long jump afaik 05:41:44 no soup for you! 05:41:49 ahh.. tnx 05:42:04 lodda: pm 05:43:11 how is everyone on this interesting day? 05:44:15 okish 05:44:23 history exam tomorrow 05:44:27 oh 05:44:29 oh ic 05:44:31 i graduated btw :)) 05:44:32 my history exam was yesterday 05:44:40 lodsb_: great 05:44:44 :P 05:44:48 * file[bed] used 5 1/2 sheets of looseleaf 05:44:50 lodsb_: congrats 05:44:57 ya well 05:45:16 still one more year for me (if this exam period works out) 05:46:09 two for me 05:46:18 and if I get this call today - I'll have work for the summers! 05:46:25 heh 05:47:12 well 05:47:16 military wants me 05:47:25 i have to go on the 1st of july 05:47:40 :( 05:47:42 and i cant meet with my gf anymore for 3-4 weeks :/ 05:47:53 you shoudl refuse, you coudl in civil service i guess 05:47:58 I REFUSED 05:47:59 ic 05:48:03 they dotn accept it 05:48:18 liek you guys still need to do military service? 05:48:28 grats lynx 05:48:31 Yes, to defent führer und vaterland :( 05:48:37 lynx: did you do it too late? 05:48:38 heh 05:48:42 lodsb_ why dont hey? 05:48:43 because my local government sent soemthign to the wrong authority and now i also have to add some points in my statement 05:48:44 they 05:48:47 we don't have an army (more or less) 05:49:02 dude... 05:49:02 lodsb_ you have the right to select 05:49:05 13 years school 05:49:12 with 7 at school 05:49:18 and now one year military shit 05:49:22 lodsb_ just blame them 05:49:26 the german government sucks 05:49:26 you can refuse a lot 05:49:37 they delay ppl for 2 years compared to international standards 05:49:48 why 2 ? 05:49:59 * mur was 1,5 05:50:01 13 years of school and military/civil serice 05:50:01 :/ 05:50:05 anyway 05:50:05 or 1,8 05:50:20 * mur can help lynx to go to civil service :) 05:50:23 --- join: kez (kez@modem-180.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 05:50:32 * dax likes belgium 05:50:34 well, i can write a letter again but it doesnt make much difference, since i would have to go to military for the 3 week period anyway 05:50:35 do you want anarchist tips how to sabotage the whole mil base? ;) 05:51:21 lynx isn't the posisbility to take the papers right to the monsters themselves? (some hq)? 05:51:43 --- nick: lodsb_ -> lynx 05:51:48 no 05:51:53 ach freq 05:52:45 dont give up your rights! 05:52:54 the mil people try to do that all the time 05:53:17 they try to make it as hard as possible so most people who are uncertain would join the murder forces 05:53:50 you are able to refuse mil service in mil too 05:53:54 right the first day 05:54:03 you can say you want to the civil service 05:54:13 they'll first show some propaganda, though 05:54:36 in germany? 05:55:14 No matter what happens, always keep smiling! 05:55:19 pff 05:55:25 bbl 05:56:56 * mur was punished from smiling >:) 05:57:10 and you can refuse also after the service too 05:57:23 mur : the prob for me is not the military service itself 05:57:41 but the fact that i wont meet my gf frequently anymore 05:57:47 i will get out in march 05:57:55 and she will go to university in october! 05:57:58 i mean 05:58:02 october THIS year :/ 05:58:37 will she move? 05:58:40 ya 05:58:40 what will she go study? 05:58:48 i dont know, she aint sure herself 06:00:20 lynx : well atleast in sweden the army pays for your trips to family when you're on a leave 06:00:38 that includes gf's 06:00:49 it's... Regis and Kelly! 06:01:30 jonaslund: well.. here, too 06:01:44 Bah. 06:01:52 jonaslund: Klen tröst :P 06:01:54 but it sucks to know that the relationship is limited by external events 06:01:58 * lynx screams 06:02:14 Robert yes they say so here too 06:02:21 bvut you still have only certain amount of trips 06:02:23 :/ 06:02:43 lynx i'll be back soon 06:02:48 gtg go with dog 06:02:53 i'll help you then more intensively 06:02:53 i "faked" a bit to get out at the enrollment 06:03:02 hrm 06:03:04 jonaslund good for you but here it is not possible 06:03:05 :( 06:03:16 but now afterwards i feel that the military would've been good to me 06:03:26 finnish army doens't give mercy to uni students and such, in sweden not all are taken in anyways.. 06:03:49 mur : i will go and take a short walk 06:03:55 k 06:04:00 mur : dunno, i heard about some finnish guy who walked to the psychology doctor and took a bite out of his plant and said nothing more 06:04:04 mur : he managed :) 06:04:12 * mur back in 30 mins (aprox) 06:04:18 jonaslund there are all kind of urban legends 06:04:27 most aren't true, how ever 06:04:41 i'll tell more baou thtem later 06:04:42 bbl 06:04:51 --- nick: mur -> mur_bbl 06:05:07 jonaslund: umm.. it didn't help setting the segment registers correctly.. still reboot.. 06:05:16 duhguy : hmmh 06:05:28 duhguy : lemme have a peek at the code 06:05:50 ok.. sec 06:06:17 bah :/ 06:06:17 oh one more thought 06:06:21 * lynx cries 06:06:21 did you relocate your code ? 06:07:37 jonaslund: relocate? 06:08:13 duhguy : did you tell the compiler to place the code at the same location as the code is placed by the bootloader(grub?) 06:08:46 --- quit: kez ("http://justkez.com") 06:09:15 jonaslund: yes... my linker script links the .text to 0x100000 and AFAIK grub loads the kernel to whatever address the text is linked to.. so you can adjust the load address by adjusting the linker script.. 06:09:46 jonaslund: and umm.. remember that it all works if I don't re-set the GDT .. so it can't be that in any case 06:10:59 uhm 06:11:07 $0x80 -> ax ? :) 06:11:41 shouldn't that be 8 ? 06:12:28 (gdt_end - gdt) - 1 06:12:28 ? 06:12:51 uhm.. isn't the 4 rightmost bits of the register the TI and RPL fields? 06:13:15 3 06:13:20 that should be the size of the gdt .. I don't know if the syntax is right.. 06:13:45 24 - 0 - 1 = 23 <- seems wrong 06:14:00 start by using 8 and 10 for cs,ds 06:14:16 jonaslund: I tried it with 0x8 and 0x10 already.. still reboot 06:14:24 index 1 , cs = index*8 06:14:37 remove that -1 from the limit 06:16:31 * jonaslund looks for some old code 06:18:33 jonaslund: nope.. still reboot.. with 0x8, 0x10 and the -1 removed.. 06:18:38 --- join: revanthn (~revanthn@203.129.127.69) joined #osdev 06:18:52 it must be the limit and/or gdt address that is screwed.. 06:24:48 --- quit: revanthn () 06:25:08 duhguy : try with bochs 06:25:14 duhguy : or some emu 06:25:23 duhguy : it catches that kinda stuff pretty well 06:25:41 i remember spending ages rebooting and stuff when i did it on the test machine in the past 06:26:07 like 3 years ago or so i gave the stuff a little shot and it went alot smoother to test with bochs 06:28:02 uhm.. ok.. 06:29:25 --- quit: Ishq- ("2.0 Build 2520") 06:29:28 --- join: Ishq (Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 06:29:37 --- quit: Ishq (Remote closed the connection) 06:30:40 --- join: Ishq (Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 06:31:33 jonaslund: the bits must be wrong in the 386intel.txt then.. it shows the the rpl field would take 3 bits.. 0, 1 and 2 .. and bit 3 is the TI .. that's why I had the 0x80.. 0x80 = 1000 + 4 bits .. 1000 is 8 in decimal.. 06:31:58 if I'm right that it's from left to right.. :) 06:34:56 ahyeah 06:34:59 that's incorrect 06:35:03 it's 0-1 06:35:15 (remember that you have 4 privilegie levels on x86) 06:35:28 as for the "index" there 06:35:32 it points to each entry 06:35:59 so basically (cs/8) -> index in table, (cs/8)*8 = ptr in table 06:36:10 well 06:36:15 it's really bitfield decoding 06:36:47 duhguy : just see the index as a pointer with the lowest bits masked out 06:37:05 duhguy : using registers with lowmasks is quite common 06:37:25 (f.ex. on ARM where the IP's least bit is arm/thumb mode selection) 06:37:51 --- join: wl (philipp@pD954E9C9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 06:38:13 arr 06:38:17 --- join: kez (kez@modem-180.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 06:38:19 C is a stupid language :P 06:38:23 back 06:38:25 --- nick: mur_bbl -> mur 06:39:07 I wonder if I can make bochs boot the 32bit kernel elf binary directly.. I don't have floppy drive on this comp.. 06:39:13 --- quit: kez (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: kez`!kez@modem-1487.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk))) 06:39:26 duhguy : nah it can't 06:39:27 you could do it with grub 06:39:42 and a floppy image 06:39:44 duhguy : just make an image with your stuff and let bochs boot with that ? 06:40:12 jonaslund: uhm.. what kind of image you mean? 06:40:23 duhguy : floppy image 06:40:38 jonaslund: but I'd need a bootblock with switching to pmode etc for that.. 06:40:43 duhguy : i assume that you already have grub and your code on a image ? 06:40:48 jonaslund: grub does that for me now.. so I don't have those 06:41:08 duhguy : i mean, why not run the whole package in bochs ? 06:41:12 duhguy : with grub and all 06:41:30 jonaslund: my kernel is a separate file in the grub boot disk.. I don't have such "package".. 06:41:46 --- join: auto (~auto@174.80-202-49.nextgentel.com) joined #osdev 06:42:07 ehm.. there must be some docs somewhere on how to boot a kernel without floppy.. 06:42:11 with bochs 06:42:17 hmm 06:42:19 i doubt it 06:42:37 besides 06:42:42 you wanna simulate your behaviour 06:42:58 then we must go back to the problem itself.. I can do with rebooting the test comp for now.. 06:43:47 can you print out stuff via grub ? 06:43:50 make a floppy image 06:44:16 * jonaslund used to generate floppy images, then write those to the floppy or use in a emu 06:44:23 yeah, write to port e9...or just write to the video mem lke everybody else 06:44:43 --- join: redblue (star@ppp019.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 06:45:13 jonaslund: uhm.. what do you mean "via grub"? I have a printk() .. 06:45:18 duhguy : write some code to print out whatever grub has done 06:45:25 duhguy : it's gdt,etc.. 06:45:50 duhguy : maybe it didn't place your code in the same physical location as virtual 06:45:54 jonaslund: ehm.. the computer works if I don't touch the GDT after grub boot.. 06:46:33 so imho it the only place where the problem can be is my gdt or the segment registers or something.. 06:46:58 duhguy : well let's say that the base of the code descriptor is set to anything but 0 by grub 06:47:06 you could try stepping through it with the bochs debugger 06:47:32 wcstok : bochs will be nice enough to dump you a good error message nevertheless 06:47:40 jonaslund: it's probably set to the code segment descriptor.. grub's code seg. desc. is the same as mine.. 06:48:03 an error message anyways, im my experience they haven't been too helpful 06:48:43 duhguy : get down with bochs 06:49:00 wcstok: so how do I make the floppy image with grub? 06:49:03 --- join: trans (arvtns@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 06:49:04 duhguy : you'll earn back any time spent on making floppy images,whatever 06:49:18 duhguy : how did you do your original floppy ? 06:50:10 jonaslund: I have a grub boot floppy with no filesystem.. I insert that, it loads, I remove it.. then insert another floppy with ext2 filesystem, some grub files in boot/grub and my kernel in boot/ dir.. then write "setup (fd0)" in the prompt and it's bootable 06:51:34 lynx back already? 06:52:03 where could I find directions on making the floppy image with grub you are talking about? 06:53:31 duhguy : never used grub 06:53:40 wcstok: can you help me? 06:53:54 mur : havent gone yet 06:54:05 :) 06:54:10 smoko 06:54:30 the mil people try to hide all details how easy it is to get to civil service 06:54:38 you just have to say you want 06:54:44 bahhhh... I'll put a floppy drive to this comp then 06:54:55 i think they shoudl tell all the possibliites but i doubt they do often 06:54:55 that'd be the easiest way 06:54:55 --- quit: duhguy ("leaving") 06:56:12 hrm 06:56:29 i dont know exactly what they want, the mail they sent hasnt arrived yet 06:56:48 you shoudl call and ask for that 06:56:57 boreocracy is slow 06:57:04 the mil people are often stupid :P 06:57:20 the better you do things the more you have to do. and they do know that :P 06:57:55 DUDE 06:57:59 they ARE stupid 06:58:12 they gave me _3_ or _4_ wrong number i should call 06:58:26 i mean that was the central for all phone stuff 06:58:33 they dotn even know their own system 06:58:52 that i agree with 06:59:01 they do only what is commanded to 06:59:12 brains are not required by officers 06:59:53 do you know what. you have to be captain or such before you have to think by yourself.. i read their papers. the most regular lieutenants dont have to know even how things work! 06:59:59 that's not part of their "education" 07:00:04 they just have to follow regulations 07:00:05 :P 07:00:58 lol+ 07:01:15 --- join: kez (kez@modem-1487.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 07:01:26 that's sad fact.. 07:01:35 * mur read the course descriptions >:P 07:01:42 hmmmz 07:01:59 well 07:03:11 writing a C compiler as a statemachine is tedious :P 07:06:33 Abnormal program termination!!! 07:07:17 Abnormal programmer termination!!! 07:07:24 Blood not found 07:07:36 retry, forget, abort? 07:07:51 forget to abort 07:17:29 retry and forget to abort 07:18:12 --- quit: kez ("http://justkez.com") 07:19:08 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@oc-nas-11-s82.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 07:20:17 --- quit: PurpleHaze ("leaving") 07:24:10 --- join: duhguy (~duhguy@baana-62-44-216-148.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 07:43:42 --- join: captur3d (~captur3d@adsl-81-7-92-46.takas.lt) joined #osdev 07:46:57 --- join: mrMister (~andri@ti122110a080-0648.bb.online.no) joined #osdev 07:47:01 uhm.. there seems to be some probs running the bochs.. lots of errors.. 07:47:09 do I really need the plex86 for bochs? 07:49:37 I get a "PANIC" window, but the text in it is unreadable.. it's all just square marks.. 07:49:43 15 second geekoff... 07:50:09 duhguy: got vga-bios? 07:50:18 then it says "boot from floppy 0 failed. FATAL: not bootable disk" .. even though I'm pretty sure it is.. 07:50:43 mrMister: yes.. vgaromimage: /usr/share/vgabios/vgabios.bin 07:50:56 duhguy: you need to configure your .bochsrc 07:50:57 did you write the bootsector, did you make sure it has that 55aa signature (or aa55..whatever it is) on it? 07:51:13 are you even booting from whatever you think you should be 07:51:14 in the directory where you run it 07:51:43 mrMister: yes.. I have that file correct.. 07:51:55 duhguy: hehe, you sure? 07:52:17 ah.. now it works.. nevermind anymore.. 07:52:23 lol 07:52:35 :) 07:52:47 indeed indeed 07:52:54 ok.. now in the stage where the other machine rebooted.. I get a PANIC window.. but I can't read the text in it.. the fonts are all screwed.. 07:53:12 lovely 07:53:28 I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL! 07:53:47 00237740677p[CPU0 ] >>PANIC<< exception(): 3rd (13) exception with no resolution 07:53:47 00237740677e[CPU0 ] WARNING: Any simulation after this point is completely bogus. 07:54:00 jonaslund: are you there? 07:54:16 bochs does not give you so readable/understandabe debug messages 07:55:13 duhguy: but probably your OS is just screwed :> 07:55:24 mrMister: yeah.. I know that already.. 07:56:20 someone said something about bochs debugger? how do I run that? 07:57:20 16:47 -!- Irssi: #osdev: Total of 42 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 42 normal] 07:57:33 hmm, there are 42 in here :) 07:58:16 this program shows amount of users in topic bar all the time :) 07:58:24 100 people on #asm / efnet 07:58:45 ugh 42 is a lot, compared to the days when 20 was much :) 07:58:59 yeah.. just thought 42 was a nice number 07:59:21 it's actually just about the number 42 07:59:25 it's the answer to everything ;) 07:59:30 yes! 07:59:45 how many are there on this channel? 08:00:47 42 08:01:00 yeah! you see? :> 08:01:05 * Kurt hangs out in the channel #42 08:01:55 heh 08:06:02 the phone is dead Jim! 08:13:35 IT'S DEAD! 08:18:01 --- quit: file[bed] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:23:41 --- join: file (~file@mctn1-1356.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 08:26:35 could someone take a look at my kernel init assembly? perhaps you could see something I can't.. 08:28:06 http://www.madqon.org/init.S 08:28:50 remmeber I'm already in pmode when that loads.. I just have to reset the gdt.. that's probably where the problem also is.. 08:52:44 --- quit: silvio_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:09:38 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:16:31 duhguy : back 09:19:32 jonaslund: ok... maybe the problem isn't in the gdt descriptor afterall.. I tried putting it to the first segment descriptor and hand made the limit 0xc0 (192, three seg. descriptors * 6) .. and it still doesn't work.. only option left is the segment registers or something there.. I'm setting the stack up properly though so I don't think it can be that.. 09:20:14 it's so strange 09:20:39 ooh 09:20:43 set ss=ds = 09:20:44 ? 09:21:09 stack segment same as data segment.. isn't that ok? 09:21:20 sure 09:21:26 (didn't see that in the last snippet) 09:21:39 --- quit: file (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:23:29 did you see the bochs error? I've pasted it above.. 09:24:31 well 09:24:39 you have a general protection exception atleast :) 09:25:52 uhm.. what does it mean? 09:27:00 line 8570 in 386intel.txt 09:27:29 (not THAT helpful really :) 09:27:41 check the docs in bochs 09:27:45 for debugging mode 09:29:49 --- join: gfafgawrg (~gfafgawrg@213-35-164-110-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee) joined #osdev 09:30:08 hmm.. atleast you could look what it could be from the list in 386intel.txt .. 09:30:23 but as i said 09:30:29 check for bochs debugging mode 09:30:33 did you build bochs from sources or ? 09:31:11 no.. I installed the debian package.. btw, do I need the plex86? 09:31:40 plex86 runs x86 code directly 09:31:46 well, the docs said something about "bochs shell" .. bochs starts into the GUI for me.. 09:31:47 apart from privilegied stuff that it emulates 09:31:49 (kinda= 09:32:03 so it almost runs at native speed (no emulation) 09:33:58 the reason could be 7, 8 or 9 from the list.. perhaps I should re-check the descriptor flags and other.. 09:34:47 I wonder what denotes descriptor a "system segment"? 09:35:20 I've copied the descriptors from the linux bootblock so I have assumed they are ok :) 09:35:21 system segments are used for transferring control between privilegie levels if i don't remember wrong 09:41:46 well.. I can see the cpu registers now at the time of "crash" .. the segment registers look ok atleast.. 09:43:01 esp is 0x65d94 even though it should be 0x4000 ... hmm 09:51:30 well.. I don't know what it is.. the segment regs are set properly.. and right after setting those in init.S you can see I set the esp to 0x4000, still it isn't that if you believe bochs.. 09:52:05 like it crashed at the whitespace between setting the segment registers and the stack pointer :) 09:55:10 hmm 09:55:15 can't you singelstep ? 09:56:19 perhaps I should compile the bochs from source w/ plex86 if I could debug it then.. 09:56:22 singelstep? 09:56:35 ie 09:56:39 --- join: kez (kez@modem-2039.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 09:56:40 set a breakpoint 09:56:51 at your code 09:57:34 mm.. yes.. 10:04:03 it crashes in the 8 blocks of code where I set the cs and ds 10:04:20 4 lines of code, I mean .. + the comments 10:04:25 setting cs is kinda nasty 10:05:08 --- quit: captur3d (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:07:26 ok.. it crashes just there at setting the cs .. what do you mean nasty? 10:12:36 --- join: Dr_Evil (DSLflat@p508FD1AD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 10:24:44 --- nick: Zenton_ -> Zenton 10:26:50 jonaslund: still there? 10:30:02 --- join: trans (uljsef@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 10:30:16 I read something about needing to do "far jump" before setting the cs register.. any idea about that? 10:36:18 i was away for a sec 10:36:31 duhguy : you set the cs WITH the far jump 10:36:51 i remember doing that at PM init (the gdt was already loaded before going into pmode) 10:37:36 the loaded gdt comes into effect when doing the jump 10:37:43 jonaslund: with the far jump? 10:38:41 I've now put "ljmp $0x8, entry32" right after the lgdt call, and the rest after that into entry32: .. it still crashes though.. 10:38:58 I don't know if that is correct.. 10:39:13 --- quit: kez (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: kez`!kez@modem-3064.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk))) 10:39:24 --- join: kez (kez@modem-3064.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 10:40:12 does ds,ss get loaded ? 10:40:24 the classic variant was 10:40:28 yes.. in the entry32 10:41:08 db jmpinstr,08,00 , dd entry32 , entry32: load others 10:41:16 ahem.. probably I should not set the CS if I do that ljmp.. I still have that there.. 10:42:04 the ljmp correctly sets the TI and RPL in cs too? doesn't sound working to me.. 10:42:13 --- quit: kez (Client Quit) 10:42:50 well 10:42:51 i give up 10:42:57 i'm hungry as f*ck now 10:43:03 and a tad tired 10:43:19 and very rusty when it comes to those pm thingys 10:43:27 (i usually do it.. then move on :) 10:43:34 ok, well.. thanks a lot anyways.. 10:43:46 yeah, that's what my plan was also.. 10:45:16 ahh.. it works! :) 10:45:33 typical 10:45:34 :) 10:45:58 doing that ljmp and removing the movw to %cs .. it works 10:46:13 yeah :) .. I hope the cs is ok now then.. is there any way to "check" it? 10:46:25 well 10:46:31 i assume you are in textmode ? 10:46:36 yes 10:46:44 write a little console driver 10:46:47 and output stuff there 10:46:49 invaluable 10:47:21 you mean just output to the screen? 10:47:27 yeah 10:47:36 ehm.. I already write to the video memory after jumping to my C main() .. is that enough for a test? 10:47:43 0xb8000 is the memory ("segment" b800 in realmode) 10:47:54 yeah 10:48:00 just store away your new cs somewhere and test 10:48:16 ok.. great 10:49:03 so the prob for the whole day was using the ljmp instead of setting the cs manually.. great.. perhaps they should emphasize that phase on the tuts also.. 10:51:41 you shouldn't do a mov do cs 10:52:30 does a mov to cs even assemble? 10:52:33 anyhow 10:52:35 bbl 10:53:43 yes if you do it via ax 10:54:37 ooh 10:54:38 iik 10:54:39 :) 10:54:43 i just remembered 10:55:04 either pop cs or mov cs,? was removed from the instructionset for the 186 or 286 11:05:20 push ax 11:05:22 ret 11:05:38 or better 11:05:48 push whatever 11:05:50 retf 11:07:35 --- nick: geist-sleep -> geist 11:07:56 you can't mov to cs 11:08:02 you have to do a long jump 11:08:13 ie jmp newcs:address 11:10:15 geist: yeah.. it took me the time you slept to figure that out :) 11:10:25 geist: so that also sets up the TI and RPL fields of cs? 11:10:48 yep 11:10:51 --- join: revanthn (revanthn@202.9.183.142) joined #osdev 11:27:00 --- join: captur3d (~captur3d@adsl-81-7-116-246.takas.lt) joined #osdev 11:27:12 --- nick: Zenton -> Zenton_ 11:38:36 --- join: ruiner (ruiner@ppp557.lax.centurytel.net) joined #osdev 11:40:55 --- quit: zwane (Excess Flood) 11:41:42 --- join: zwane (User-10554@modemcable204.207-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 11:44:55 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:56:27 --- quit: ruiner () 12:01:39 --- join: kez (kez@modem-3064.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 12:01:44 --- quit: revanthn () 12:07:16 --- join: witten_ (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 12:08:40 --- quit: witten (Remote closed the connection) 12:08:47 --- nick: witten_ -> witten 12:08:57 --- join: revanthn (revanthn@202.9.183.148) joined #osdev 12:09:21 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by beer") 12:09:54 --- join: kernel2420 (~silvio@ppp-26-184.25-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 12:10:18 hello 12:10:24 hello mur 12:10:28 --- quit: wl ("Quit") 12:10:38 hey kernel2420! 12:15:49 --- quit: Ishq (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:29:38 --- join: Ishq (Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 12:39:17 --- quit: kez (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: kez`!kez@modem-3064.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk))) 12:39:29 --- join: kez (kez@modem-3064.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 12:45:06 --- join: redb1ue (star@ppp037.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 12:56:12 --- quit: Dr_Evil () 12:57:20 --- join: file (~file@mctn1-2098.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 12:58:43 --- join: int13h (~int13h@calcium.nelte.lt) joined #osdev 12:59:41 --- join: CyberJack1275 (~trillian@host-209-214-161-209.rdu.bellsouth.net) joined #osdev 13:00:02 --- join: Mathis (irc@pD9EAA9E9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 13:00:03 --- quit: revanthn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:00:14 hi 13:00:28 hello 13:00:32 hello 13:00:41 :) 13:00:44 :) 13:00:47 : 13:00:52 . 13:00:59 (::) 13:01:07 [::] 13:02:06 {::} 13:02:14 --- quit: redblue (Connection timed out) 13:02:17 dont agitate >:) 13:02:41 \\::// 13:02:57 :://::\\:: 13:03:19 --- part: CyberJack1275 left #osdev 13:03:33 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 13:06:25 ~ 13:08:06 wtf 13:08:15 ftw 13:08:33 .o( chain reaction ) 13:08:40 mrg 13:08:47 mhs 13:08:48 HALT! 13:08:55 SALT! 13:09:05 zug 13:09:06 THOU SHALT! 13:09:11 thz 13:09:15 hwf 13:09:18 kih 13:09:22 gtf 13:09:22 Lick the toad! 13:09:27 egf 13:09:31 vnn 13:09:38 w3t 13:09:49 L33T 13:09:57 -=]L.E.E.T[=- 13:10:04 f33t 13:10:11 f00d 13:10:24 I will send the Dopefish Maffia to you! 13:10:35 okay 13:10:44 \o/ 13:10:48 I am awaiting them 13:10:53 good 13:10:56 --- join: trans (nyopfx@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 13:10:59 trans 13:11:52 http://www.dopefish.com/images/mpdopefish.jpg 13:12:21 no not again porn! 13:14:49 hmmm, seeing this picture makes me want to play Max Payne again! :D 13:16:09 ditto 13:16:10 :| 13:16:26 seeing this picture makes me want to play commander keen again 13:17:26 seeing these sentences makes me want to kick all others here into their asses 13:17:28 *g* 13:32:15 --- join: CyberJack1275 (~trillian@host-209-214-161-209.rdu.bellsouth.net) joined #osdev 13:43:03 --- part: CyberJack1275 left #osdev 13:45:53 does anyone know of an easy way to get the address of an symbol split into two words? 13:46:01 for an IDT descriptor 13:46:31 --- join: CyberJack1275 (~trillian@host-209-214-161-209.rdu.bellsouth.net) joined #osdev 13:47:14 ehm.. nevermind.. I think I know 13:48:57 Is it Always this quiet in here?? 13:51:56 --- quit: int13h (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:54:29 CyberJack1275: no 13:54:57 here are indeed a lot of idlers :D 13:55:09 like... ME! 13:55:12 Whoops - I ruined it 13:55:23 Ah! Otay! Thnx Lodda.. 13:55:32 file: you are no idler - you are bored :D 13:55:36 :p 13:55:36 HA! a little comic releif from file! 13:55:38 LOL 13:57:25 A question, if I may pose?? 13:58:30 I have Ralf's Interrupt List...but I cannot compile it to a readable format.. anyone know a precompiled version? 14:03:44 Ralfs Interrupt List is already readable 14:04:21 hmm... did I get a bad version then? Thanks Math 14:04:23 --- quit: mrMister ("gn") 14:04:39 no 14:04:44 I dont think so 14:04:58 I think you simply didnt understand some symbols there 14:07:02 possibly.. but I ended up Downing 6 zip files inter61a thru inter61f... all zipped. 14:07:14 ugh.. so confused i'm being redundant 14:07:19 --- part: kez left #osdev 14:07:50 you have to unzip them 14:10:57 Ah! and inside zips are more zips! LOL who thought to do this ??? 14:12:53 --- join: gianluca (~glguida@ppp-83-135.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 14:19:48 --- quit: zwane (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:24:59 --- join: zwane (User-10554@modemcable204.207-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 14:27:16 --- join: jsr (www@du-12-115.ppp.telenordia.se) joined #osdev 14:37:17 --- join: EtherNet (~bbagy@host47.200-45-180.telecom.net.ar) joined #osdev 14:52:41 --- join: kez (kez@modem-1507.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 14:54:37 --- part: CyberJack1275 left #osdev 15:00:26 --- quit: EtherNet (" »¡« Scøøp Script 2003 »!« The best script ever seen! Download it at www.scoopsite.com") 15:01:13 --- quit: trans (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:01:18 --- quit: kez ("http://justkez.com") 15:06:36 --- quit: gfafgawrg ("Fhtagn-Nagh Yog Sothoth") 15:16:40 --- quit: jsr ("bye") 15:26:41 hey 15:26:47 hey 15:26:56 EU citizens and new EU countries please sign the petition for animal welfare to besigned into constitution law of EU at http://www.animals-constitution.info/uk/formular.html 15:27:29 who's been humping the bed? 15:33:44 pop tarts make my think 15:38:05 --- quit: Matzon () 15:38:47 --- part: kernel2420 left #osdev 15:39:01 --- join: Ishq- (Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 15:39:02 --- quit: Ishq (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:39:23 --- part: Ishq- left #osdev 15:39:37 --- join: Ishq (Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 15:49:59 --- quit: captur3d (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:51:42 2/clear 15:51:48 hey geist 15:51:49 argh damnit i put a 2 in there 15:51:52 afgkadjf;lgkajdfg;afg 15:51:54 hi Mathis 15:52:14 kfsjk 15:52:17 oiuhgr5ohingslgqwpl 15:52:21 well put 15:52:53 my chars are more random ;-) 15:53:09 your chars are just the fingers pressing randomly the same keys ;-) 15:55:08 gonna learn from OpenVMS 15:55:14 and MacOS X, Jaguar 15:55:47 asdfasdfasdfasdf 15:55:50 totally random 15:55:55 yeah ;-) 15:57:54 my words too 15:57:55 *g* 16:07:19 --- quit: Ishq (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:07:24 --- join: Ishq- (Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 16:07:49 --- part: Ishq- left #osdev 16:08:08 --- join: Ishq (Ishq@frm-64-4-103-110.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 16:13:27 seems that Ishq has problems 16:13:31 shice 16:13:31 *g* 16:14:46 he always has 16:15:30 what is your premier language? 16:15:43 hmm? 16:15:48 dunno if you call it mother language or so 16:15:57 english? 16:15:59 french? 16:16:04 native language? English 16:16:10 it's all I know. I'm American 16:16:13 native, this was the word... 16:16:18 yeah... 16:16:18 and we dont have to learn anything else 16:16:25 sure you have 16:16:33 took a few years of Spanish in high school 16:16:36 but forgot most of it 16:16:43 espanol is also important in your country 16:16:48 depends on where you life 16:16:50 er live 16:17:02 hehe 16:17:11 I grew up in Texas, it was pretty useful there, if you were going to work in construction or something 16:17:30 I know another one who grew up in Texas 16:17:47 the one who is called Mr. Data in Star Trek - Next Generation 16:18:08 I should check his accent 16:18:37 heh, weird here... 16:18:47 I never speak english with others in reality 16:18:51 but writing it here 16:19:07 Brent Spiner? 16:19:10 yep 16:19:20 also if I dont have problems with singing english songs 16:20:02 I'm listening to english music, reading english text, writing it, partially thinking english, but I'm not used to speak it *g* 16:20:03 --- join: Rico- (~Rico@node-c-1c6a.a2000.nl) joined #osdev 16:20:25 the most basic element... I dont do it... 16:20:57 --- quit: Rico (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:21:27 I noticed the difference between american and british english... 16:21:35 funny 16:21:49 britains are more arrogant, kinda... 16:22:32 also I have problems using the word 'you' 16:22:37 My little brother just installed windows xp and wanted to enter his name in the "New users" part of the installation. His name is Xerox, but windows XP doesn't allow that name to be used 16:22:55 hahaha 16:22:57 seriously? 16:23:00 yes 16:23:05 that's awesome 16:23:11 lemme try that... 16:23:52 done 16:23:58 had no problems on WinXP Home 16:23:58 --- join: redblue (star@ppp037.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 16:24:08 xerox? that's insance 16:24:10 --- join: HeavyJoost_ (~HeavyJoos@a213-84-139-110.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 16:24:11 insane 16:24:20 it is at the time of installation, where you can add up to 5 users 16:24:35 at least your parents named you something sane 16:24:44 the first one becomming an administrator and that one didn't allow xerox 16:24:49 lemme get you a screenshot 16:25:02 my name is Dax 16:25:34 --- quit: gianluca (asimov.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:25:34 --- quit: redb1ue (asimov.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:25:34 --- quit: auto (asimov.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:25:34 --- quit: Divine_ (asimov.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:25:34 --- quit: HeavyJoost (asimov.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:25:35 --- quit: notten (asimov.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:25:35 and that other dax in this channel has nothing related to e 16:25:35 me 16:27:25 we have strict difference between 'you' and 'you' 16:27:51 and what about 'you'? 16:28:04 'you' to one that you dont know 16:28:11 in a more respective form 16:28:19 and 'you' in a more personal way 16:28:28 in dutch we have 'jij' and 'u' for that 16:28:44 but seems that americans dont have this 16:28:50 haha, suckers 16:29:05 Compare and contrast dax, and then the real dax. 16:30:08 yeah, romance languages have a familiar and formal 'you' as well 16:30:25 --- join: gianluca (~glguida@ppp-83-135.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 16:30:25 --- join: redb1ue (star@ppp037.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 16:30:25 --- join: auto (~auto@174.80-202-49.nextgentel.com) joined #osdev 16:30:25 --- join: Divine_ (~john@12-246-112-182.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 16:30:25 --- join: HeavyJoost (~HeavyJoos@a213-84-139-110.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 16:30:25 --- join: notten (root@pcp04278885pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net) joined #osdev 16:30:27 --- quit: redb1ue (Success) 16:30:29 familiar and formal everything actually 16:30:30 --- quit: gianluca (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:30:42 --- join: gianluca (~glguida@ppp-83-135.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 16:30:52 damn, my internal english dictionary is so small... I hate that 16:30:53 geist: here's the Xerox error: http://www.planetdax.com/xerox.jpg 16:30:56 it's in dutch 16:30:58 to search for the right words... 16:31:11 --- quit: HeavyJoost (Connection reset by peer) 16:31:37 but the bottom notice: "Names cannot be equal to "XEROX", "Administrator" or "Guest". 16:32:20 oh wait, what is the name of the computer? 16:32:28 you can't create a user name the same name as the computer 16:32:37 if you had previously set the name to xerox... 16:32:45 aha, that is the case here 16:32:54 yeah 16:34:19 I almost tought this was some stupid shit implemented by canabis blowing microsoft engineers... 16:34:28 but that isn't the case 16:35:26 i just cant get over the fact that your little brother is named 'xerox' 16:35:32 :) 16:35:36 what kind of crack were your parents smoking? 16:35:43 no crack 16:35:45 ohhh, wait you are dutch right? 16:35:46 cocaine 16:35:48 that explains it 16:36:02 my name is Dax and my big brother's name is Felix 16:36:15 And we are...triple X! 16:36:18 oh his handle is xerox 16:36:25 handle? 16:36:32 nick or whatever you want to call it 16:36:36 no 16:36:37 what he goes by 16:36:42 Big Brother: Felix 16:36:44 Me: Dax 16:36:50 Little Brother: Xerox 16:36:55 ohhhh 16:37:00 those are our real names 16:37:22 hehe 16:37:22 --- join: trans (rjwzjs@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 16:37:28 yep, parents on crack 16:37:56 and because of me, other people liked the name Dax too and called their kid the same. 16:38:15 So now I know 2 other people in person called Dax. 16:38:26 Dax is an animal 16:38:30 here in germany 16:38:38 no, Dax is a Star Trek character 16:38:38 also known as Dachs 16:38:49 Dax is also a city in France 16:39:02 and DAX is the name of the germal stock thing 16:39:09 ... 16:39:14 That's it, I think. 16:39:24 Deutscher Aktien Index 16:39:27 DAX 16:40:40 dax is a star trek character? 16:40:55 Curson-Dax 16:40:58 Jadzia-Dax 16:41:04 Ensrin-Dax 16:41:11 Ezri-Dax 16:41:14 sorry 16:41:15 Tobias-Dax 16:41:34 ? 16:54:08 --- quit: gianluca (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:57:30 --- quit: mur ("MURR!") 17:01:00 --- quit: kyelewis_away (asimov.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:01:15 --- join: kyelewis_away (~kyelewis@dsl-27.65.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) joined #osdev 17:10:52 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:37:35 --- join: kernel-panic (rewt@ANice-205-1-11-187.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 17:37:55 hello 17:38:00 hello 17:39:24 at least one's alive :) 17:39:35 yep 17:40:20 what's up ? 17:40:55 you 17:41:48 no active chat tonight ? :) 17:41:58 --- join: air (~brand@12-210-162-121.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 17:42:16 anyone wanna help me collect info about oses? 17:42:44 kernel type, platforms, license and languages 17:43:02 air: go back to your java... 17:44:12 hi 17:44:23 *g* 17:44:28 im looking for people interested in an OS project 17:44:41 redblue: me 17:44:56 Mathis, do u know AmigaOS? 17:44:59 I'm always interested in os projects 17:45:14 geist, u know about it? 17:45:35 redblue: yes, I know it 17:45:42 also known as Amiga Workbench 17:45:52 I never used it, but I know how pathetic the community is around it, yes 17:46:08 the WorkBench was a name for the AmigaOS desktop 17:46:12 the beos commmunity has a lot to learn from the amiga community 17:46:21 but its' exactly that 17:46:24 the amiga guys have been dragging 17:46:43 I remember Microsoft AmigaBASIC *g* 17:46:45 SLOW! 17:46:47 *g* 17:47:04 everything made my m$ is slow 17:47:06 an open source clone of AmigaOS than can be ported to many platforms 17:47:18 http://www.aros.org/ 17:47:32 try #aros too 17:47:33 aros.net is better 17:47:40 if u wanna know whats going on 17:47:47 wait 17:47:56 it's aros.sf.net 17:48:09 anyway, I sort of started dealing with part of the amiga community when genesi sent me a pegasos board 17:48:09 seems that Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition isnt slow 17:48:11 the other link became a gateway 17:48:18 so I started seeing whats up nowadays 17:48:23 and it's pretty fragmented 17:49:11 oops, its work 17:49:13 uhuh 17:49:15 sorry 17:49:45 Genesi rocks 17:49:56 they will sent boards to anyone wanting to port their OS 17:49:59 redblue: amigaos was better than a lot of the current oses but it still has flaws 17:50:10 redblue: brix is a much better os with no flaws :) 17:50:49 brix is died 17:51:07 Mathis: speaka a english 17:51:34 brix died 17:51:40 air, ya i know... some devs are aware of it and are trying to do some things better 17:51:50 brix is dead 17:52:00 --- join: captur3d (~captur3d@adsl-81-7-113-245.takas.lt) joined #osdev 17:52:04 they have great plans for the OS and some are talented coders 17:52:19 they want it to be as extensible and fast as possible 17:52:24 and good looking 17:52:30 no 17:52:35 I want my OS just for myself 17:52:39 with a new 3D GUI 17:52:43 experimenting with it 17:52:52 Zune will be the main GUI (an MUI clone) 17:52:55 want it to be easy useable 17:53:08 and remains compatible with AOS 3.1 17:53:25 the amiga gui was always the ugliest of them 17:53:51 starting from 2.x i think its kind of cool 17:53:54 i saw worse 17:54:07 MUI rocks anyways 17:54:18 that's the main GUI of AROS 17:55:02 http://se.aminet.net/pub/aminet/pix/wb/proWB.jpg 17:55:02 http://se.aminet.net/~aminet/aminet/pix/wb/Haymigga_2.jpg 17:55:02 http://www.gfxzone.org/interviews/dzordan/dzordan-workbench.png 17:55:02 http://www.student.oulu.fi/~pvalli/dl/jPV_WB_Mar2000.png 17:55:02 http://aros.sourceforge.net/pictures/screenshots/20030527/gradients.png 17:55:03 yawn 17:55:08 --- quit: dax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:55:08 that gui sucks 17:55:09 that's how MUI can look like 17:55:29 boring... 17:55:36 oh come on guys 17:55:41 you know that ui isn't everything 17:55:50 MUI may sux on AOS but it wasn't part of the OS 17:56:01 it'll be part of AROS 17:56:05 that's a big difference 17:56:08 it's the primary reason I'll never put screenshots up for newos 17:56:18 I want a 3D UI, not that boring 2D ones ;-) 17:56:18 geist: ui is everything 17:56:44 guys dont ugly chicks, chicks dont like ugly guys (reason known of u get laid) and ppl dont like ugly guis 17:56:52 http://www.aros.org/pictures/screenshots/20030527/gradients.png 17:56:58 Zune shot 17:57:03 http://www.aros.org/pictures/screenshots/ 17:57:04 air: heh, and I'm sure air is the expert n this 17:57:06 more shots 17:57:55 http://www.chodorowski.com/aros/about.png 17:58:21 redblue: obviously screenshots aren't impressing these people 17:58:48 redblue: sorry, but those are all ugly 17:58:55 geist, its not to impress... some do like it 17:59:13 well anyway, what was the original statement here? 17:59:25 air, the GUI isn't finished yet, far from that 17:59:34 redblue: 1983? 17:59:40 wtf will it look good? 17:59:46 redblue: dont bother talking to him about it 17:59:46 air, but it at least shows the desktop is usable 18:00:22 ugly guys are usable but none of u are getting used :) 18:00:31 speak for yourself dude 18:00:36 air, i'll just do what geist told, sorry. im not here to argue 18:00:47 geist: we KNOW where u live 18:00:57 uhh and? 18:01:03 redblue: he just argues everything 18:01:07 --- join: smbclient (~nutty@66.227.104.96) joined #osdev 18:01:17 --- part: smbclient left #osdev 18:01:27 this channel is pretty dysfunctinal, but occasionally interesting stuff happens 18:01:51 atm, AROS run on x86 native, hosted on linux, hosted on openbsd or freebsd (sometimes when its not broken) and a Palm port is in progress 18:02:03 * kernel-panic is logging for further analysis, geist :) 18:02:21 and PPC native port (Pegasos) has started 18:02:30 heh 18:02:38 I wonder how they're gonna boot that fucker 18:02:45 cause genesi isn't very helpful there 18:02:51 geist, (hint) ;) 18:03:06 hmm? 18:03:13 they want as many OS to run on Pegasos as possible 18:03:19 you bet 18:03:26 They sent a Peg box to the AROS team 18:03:38 and they sent one to me 18:03:45 a coder is working on it rite now 18:04:02 they sent one to Debian also 18:04:20 but the damn netboot doesn't work 18:04:37 the only way to boot it is to write a file to cd or to a native fs on the hard drive 18:04:42 both of which suck, and slowing me down 18:04:51 ya, there's no native networking yet 18:04:52 i've been porting to my ibook as long as possible 18:05:04 u have to use ABOX emulation with something like Miami 18:05:10 i started writing a serial loader, but the OF code has an open handle to the serial port 18:05:23 and if I try to read from the serial port directly, I'm fighting with the OF serial handler 18:05:29 someone told networking will be there in MorphOS 1.4 18:05:35 eh? 18:05:59 morphos is pretty terrible 18:06:06 but it keeps the kids happy 18:06:11 lol 18:06:38 I dissassembled it to pick out some interesting low level hardware code though 18:06:50 anyway, as the Pegasos and AmigaOne PPC boxes are out. i think its a good thing for AROS 18:07:17 may people wants to use AROS on that box 18:07:23 many 18:07:32 as alternative 18:07:32 the genesi folks have been talking to me about 64-bit ppc as well 18:07:43 not sure what they have in mind, but I'm interested 18:07:55 i dunno 18:08:16 i just know the Plan is to release Pegasos II with GU in september 18:08:45 and u get get it at lower price if u return u're pegasos 18:08:49 u can get it 18:09:02 GU=G4 18:09:11 * geist shrugs 18:09:15 www.ann.lu 18:09:17 look there 18:09:27 it's all there 18:09:34 I'm not going to pay for any of them, so the price doesn't matter tome 18:09:40 about AOS, MorphOS, AROS, AmigaOne, Pegasos, etc 18:09:44 I've got enough ppc boxes at my apartment 18:10:10 well i don't mind too... im fine with x86 for now 18:10:12 but I really should finish up this port soon 18:10:28 but Pegasos would be the way to go for me if i needed PPC 18:10:32 it's dirt cheap 18:10:38 hahah, dirt cheap 18:10:47 if dirt cheap == ripoff 18:10:50 compared to AmigaOne or PowerMac 18:11:01 okay, got me there 18:11:02 well 18:11:12 it's something like 400 or 500$ 18:11:17 try that with a powermac 18:11:48 the Peg 1 is G3 600 mhz and is completely silent 18:11:52 some people like that 18:12:37 that is kind of nice, the silent part 18:12:45 yes 18:13:01 especially for music 18:13:09 but I'd rather have a silent x86 in that case 18:13:24 can be done too 18:13:30 i guess 18:13:34 because having to switch to a board that you can only really run linux on just to be silent 18:13:37 but its more expensive i think 18:14:43 http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3589 18:14:51 there's a review of Pegasos there 18:15:29 yes I know 18:15:34 cool 18:15:35 I talk to Eugenia a lot 18:15:45 :) 18:16:45 besides, UAE is ported to AROS and the official Binary format is ELF 18:16:59 there's also a Python port too 18:17:24 in case you hadn't figured it out, I'm 100% not interested in AROS or any amigaos derivative 18:17:47 I never used an amiga, dont care about em, aren't attached in any way to the amiga community 18:18:00 doesn't matter 18:18:05 they're wayyy more pathetic than the beos community, of which I already have a certain amount of disdain for 18:18:18 some people here had interest i think 18:18:33 okay, fair enough 18:18:40 --- quit: notten (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:19:09 i don't mind about the Community 18:19:38 as I said i think it's kind of cool coz the devs have great plans for the OS and some are talented coders 18:19:42 --- join: cuebol (littlejon@adsl-66-124-100-45.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 18:19:52 some people would like to port on X-BOX 18:20:17 some even had the idea to make AROS flashable so it boots with needed CMOS 18:20:19 i like that 18:20:52 so it boots on CMOS with needed space 18:20:54 sorry 18:21:57 --- quit: duhguy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:22:07 --- join: notten (root@pcp04278885pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net) joined #osdev 18:23:58 and i can tell the guys coding on it are way cool 18:24:05 they have fun 18:24:25 me too:) 18:24:58 nod 18:26:10 Genesi is even sponsoring a Pegasos event in autumn 18:26:31 i think its not so bad.. some good things are happening 18:26:43 Pegasos Demoscene event 18:27:02 as in #demoscene 18:29:10 http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1052339784&category=news&start=1&32 18:29:50 comment 18 says who could be there 18:34:56 redblue: geist is a windows whore 18:35:14 i don't mind 18:35:27 its cool with me:) 18:36:23 notten is either extremely brave or extremely stupid to be ircing with bitchx as root 18:36:29 people can use the OS they want as far im concerned 18:36:52 lol 18:37:20 no idea 18:37:35 dunno much about linux 18:38:56 u think that coz of irc or bitchx? 18:39:03 bitchx 18:39:07 oki 18:39:15 most unsecure client there is 18:39:41 :/ 18:40:25 bitchx is kinda like all the software made by m$ 18:40:27 maybe he makes you think he's root and he's not who cares anyway ? 18:40:39 air: fuck you 18:41:05 at least I have a fucking job 18:41:07 and geist has a problem with profanity 18:41:16 uhuh 18:41:20 fuck fuck fuck shit fuck 18:41:24 have a problem with that? 18:41:30 ues 18:41:31 lol 18:41:35 too fucking bad 18:41:38 yes..it's unoriginal 18:41:38 --- join: trans (lufkgd@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 18:41:44 heh 18:41:45 be creative at least =P 18:41:46 indeed :) 18:41:55 well, ask air to shut up 18:42:15 grrrr 18:42:18 attack! 18:42:23 * air only shuts up when afk 18:44:26 wow at last :) 18:47:34 --- join: redb1ue (star@ppp070.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 18:49:49 jobs suck 18:56:44 yes they do 18:57:04 gettin paid doesn't 18:57:36 Nope 18:58:33 Payday makes the entire week worth while 18:59:39 does who thinks money does everything are prolly doing everything for the money... 18:59:52 living for money... :/ 19:00:44 nope 19:00:48 but having it doesn't suck 19:00:49 living off a fat trust fund is the best way 19:01:11 air: where do you get one of those? 19:01:27 cept for the boredom which is probably why a lot of retired ppl go back to work 19:01:30 anyone here who has a job like it? 19:02:01 yep, I cant not work on something 19:02:09 I have a total inability to just not do anything 19:02:33 its not about not doing something 19:02:39 is to me 19:02:56 feeling worthwhile, like you've accomplished something 19:03:03 nono 19:03:08 otherwise you're just a waste of carbon 19:03:18 its about the same scenery every day 19:03:20 --- quit: redblue (Connection timed out) 19:03:24 that too 19:03:37 geist: lots of jobs though don't feel worthwhile 19:03:41 even if you do get paid 19:03:56 oh you bet, getting a job does not solve that problem at all 19:04:05 I love my job 19:04:06 getting a good job does 19:04:12 cuebol: cool 19:04:21 I really enjoy what I do and who I work with. 19:04:23 hey, btw, ever work on hydraulic lifters? 19:04:27 Yes 19:04:33 geist: where do you find those? 19:04:39 cuebol: fat retared handicap kids? 19:04:40 cuebol: what do you do? 19:04:47 cuebol: :) 19:05:07 cuebol: my bike has hydraulic lifters and is making some valve noise. time to take care of the problem. 19:05:26 Hmm 19:05:34 I'm ordering a new head gasket and new bolts for the valve cover, and am gonna take that fucker apart in a few weekends 19:05:45 Oh dear hehe 19:05:48 hopefully something will just stick out 19:06:05 you should ride down here 19:06:08 gonna go to a friends house and work on it, she is super competant about this stuff 19:06:12 there's a thing im sure, id be rather doing something i like and getting not paid well than something i don't like and get a lot 19:06:14 total motorcycle nut 19:06:23 I have a complete shop :P 19:06:46 redb1ue: amen.. 19:06:54 --- join: file[bed] (~intranet@mctn1-2098.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 19:07:01 witten: I'm a small engine mechanic 19:07:06 cuebol: awesome 19:07:25 or "technician" like the Santa Clara County fools like to be called 19:08:18 I fix j00r lawn mowers! 19:08:57 heh 19:08:59 do you like it? 19:09:05 Yes I do 19:09:14 Ever seen Sling Blade? 19:09:16 ever hold a spark plug wire while someone pulls the engine through? if not, dont do it 19:09:29 cuebol: nope 19:10:03 gtg 19:10:06 --- quit: Mathis ("good night") 19:10:06 geist: Nobody falls for that anymore so we use an electric motor's starting capacitor hehe 19:10:58 --- join: dax (dax@u212-239-164-85.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 19:13:25 oh good one 19:33:44 --- quit: kernel-panic ("n8 ppl") 19:51:30 --- quit: kdehl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:51:34 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:02:14 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 20:02:15 --- quit: air (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:02:18 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@oc-nas-11-s61.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 20:07:17 --- quit: cuebol () 20:10:40 --- quit: redb1ue (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:10:43 --- join: redblue (star@ppp045.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 20:38:49 http://f4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MD7pPid5IrFXHMcVORXPU58A1wVJ6D8SL0qXzAWRWXD3t9teGwqMXRson8UA4MDsUyOIKO9jgL5Of-2b/JRZgrab.PNG 20:38:53 i love that shot 20:39:16 desktop of the DOpus 4 coder 20:40:16 which is ported to AROS also 20:48:36 sup 20:49:20 yo 20:49:26 im hungry 20:50:20 --- quit: geist ("leaving") 20:51:27 --- join: geist (~geist@dsl093-182-050.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #osdev 20:56:08 --- quit: dax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:56:14 re 20:56:27 sup redblue 20:56:39 im still hungry 20:56:52 then eat some more 20:57:00 good plan 20:57:22 ill go out and get some food:) 21:01:48 --- join: air (~brand@12-210-162-121.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 21:01:55 redblue: u still here? 21:06:15 anyone know what type of kernel aros uses? 21:06:43 probably something seriously out of date 21:17:28 --- join: trans (rhauka@fatwire-201-195.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 21:49:13 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:08:08 lol 22:08:17 yo 22:10:48 --- join: dax (dax@u212-239-164-85.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 22:12:20 i think its unlikely but it doesnt matter 22:13:09 coz its fun 22:26:27 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by beer") 22:51:51 --- nick: kyelewis_away -> kyelewis 23:04:20 http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1055444305&category=news&start=1&14 23:04:44 just got posted 23:05:20 --- quit: dax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:10:05 --- join: msa (~msa@APuteaux-115-1-1-150.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 23:11:06 --- join: north_ (north@phiral.com) joined #osdev 23:11:10 werd up peepz 23:11:27 not much 23:11:38 brb pls 23:11:40 --- quit: north_ (Client Quit) 23:11:55 --- join: ralix (~hi@kmp53-01-p44.gt.saix.net) joined #osdev 23:12:12 morning :) 23:12:34 --- join: north_ (north@phiral.com) joined #osdev 23:13:03 back! 23:13:08 yo ralix 23:17:11 any conduet ppl here? 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