00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/03.06.25 00:00:57 --- join: gfafgawrg (~gfafgawrg@213-35-165-52-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee) joined #osdev 00:01:57 --- quit: emmons (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:07:05 --- join: emmons (~emmons@www.miscstuff.net) joined #osdev 00:23:35 --- join: trans (mgeegy@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 00:28:25 --- join: kernel2421 (~silvio@ppp-62-10-99-168.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #osdev 00:30:22 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 00:31:27 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:33:05 --- join: lodda_ (~playgroun@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 00:33:16 --- quit: ruiner () 00:34:39 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:41:11 --- join: lodda (~playgroun@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 00:41:11 --- quit: Robert_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:41:13 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 00:43:48 --- quit: lodda_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:52:45 --- join: redblue (star@ppp023.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 01:13:03 --- join: newt (newt@12-208-222-49.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 01:23:48 --- quit: zhware_ ("leaving") 01:23:59 --- quit: lodda (Remote closed the connection) 01:24:21 --- join: lodda (~playgroun@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 01:33:25 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:37:53 --- join: jaf (~jaf@200.175.197.172.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined #osdev 01:38:08 y0000000000 01:56:57 --- join: VgP (~sxrule@host200-214.pool80117.interbusiness.it) joined #osdev 02:06:45 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:10:10 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 02:15:17 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:18:04 --- join: lodda (~playgroun@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 02:33:47 --- part: VgP left #osdev 02:52:51 --- join: trans (xfbofn@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 03:08:16 --- join: zhware (~zhware@219.101.239.99) joined #osdev 03:12:40 --- quit: mors (Remote closed the connection) 03:13:28 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:13:40 --- join: lodda (~playgroun@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 03:19:45 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:27:13 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:27:19 --- quit: kernel2421 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:28:29 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 03:30:50 --- nick: Zenton_ -> Zenton 03:42:59 --- quit: gfafgawrg ("Fhtagn-Nagh Yog Sothoth") 03:43:45 --- join: mors (~skywalker@64.104.136.140) joined #osdev 03:45:25 * mors runs in circles 03:49:27 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:00:00 --- quit: nutrageous ("argh") 04:02:22 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-186-125.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 04:35:58 --- join: kernel2421 (~silvio@ppp-62-10-98-124.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #osdev 04:37:35 * kernel2421 saluta * 04:37:35 general2421 04:38:31 :) 04:38:45 marsu! 04:38:58 we 04:39:01 murray 04:39:17 kernel2421, you using 2.4.21? 04:39:51 no, i use 2.4.20 04:40:02 :) 04:40:03 oh, then its that you like 2.4.21? 04:40:14 or you just update your nick as and when the new kernels come out? 04:40:17 like a bot.. 04:40:22 yes 04:40:24 ^___^ 04:40:47 8(*o*)3 04:40:50 :D 04:41:09 C(-.-)D 04:41:15 what did that depict? mur 04:41:17 the first one 04:41:27 i dont know really :o) 04:41:30 :P 04:41:30 but it looks funny :) 04:41:42 large ears, weird eyes and big nose 04:41:57 -_-)(===(-_- 04:42:06 that was taught me one japanese :) 04:42:55 nice grammar.. 04:43:00 :P 04:43:10 that was taught to me by one japanese 04:43:12 better now? :) 04:43:24 it's finnish grammar i sometimes use .) 04:43:30 :) 04:43:53 we dont use really prepositions but suffixes 04:44:27 beware, english will be deterioited into great mess in coming years >:) 04:45:03 specially with the internet english becoming popular, i seriously think so 04:45:11 who cares, anyway 04:45:39 :) are european smileys, -_- are japanese 04:45:52 japanese charset is so much richer than euro 04:46:08 hmm. so whats an american smiley? 04:46:16 americans are posteuropeans 04:46:21 oh 04:46:35 that's some old euro derrived culture 04:46:47 anyhow 04:46:52 anyway 04:47:04 eu + am + au = similar culture area 04:47:08 in a way 04:47:16 yeah. all of em suck 04:47:18 :D 04:47:21 even the differences of practises are great 04:47:29 * mur agrees. comsuming takes nowwhere 04:47:56 --- join: Mathis (irc@pD9EA994F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:47:58 but like in every culture there are also subcultures 04:48:09 hi 04:48:22 the trails are leading back to what humankind was before "great revolution" 04:48:29 hi Mathis 04:48:31 hi mathis 04:49:04 --- join: gfafgawrg (~gfafgawrg@213-35-164-90-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee) joined #osdev 04:49:08 what was before the great revolution? 04:49:44 all this 04:49:51 landforming 04:49:58 guess there was happiness, misery, war, peace, life, death 04:50:02 were^ 04:50:13 they are still here. nothing much has changed 04:50:16 there are cultures which dont know war 04:50:23 hmm. like? 04:50:28 but they are small 04:50:43 probably they didnt have internet and media to spread stuff news about war 04:50:50 hah 04:50:53 wars were before news 04:50:54 cut off from the rest of world. a nice, quiet, pretty life i guess 04:51:07 i could live like that 04:51:11 you can't think it like that 04:51:25 they were there before news of wars were flowing 04:51:33 they just decided to leave peacefully 04:51:46 oic 04:51:55 and where did you learn about these cultures? 04:52:04 * mur reads a lot :o) 04:52:05 which parts of the world did they inhabit? 04:52:26 duh i can't remember anymore 04:52:33 :) 04:52:54 at certain material point 04:53:06 living quality becomes more important than materia itself 04:53:11 --- join: trans (ktovbk@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 04:53:56 the dominating reason now is "fear of inability" 04:54:00 unability? 04:54:22 inability 04:54:52 living quality becomes more important than materia itself << whats that? material? 04:55:20 material is anything that is more important materially than emotionally 04:55:31 i'd say that way 04:55:47 yeah.. so whats the point, everyone wants to live a better life. who cares about materials involved 04:56:08 so its the living quality (standard of living) thats important 04:56:34 once it's possible to fill material needs (food, shelter) decently enough, the emotional becomes more important 04:56:53 --- quit: lodda (Remote closed the connection) 04:57:04 hmm. man is an emotional being, no doubt 04:57:04 --- join: lodda (~playgroun@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 04:58:04 materia doesn't fill the emotional need as well as emotional 04:58:21 so brands market emotions 04:58:23 not products 04:58:30 or illusion of emotion 05:12:22 --- join: nutrageous (Ishq@frm-64-4-101-218.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 05:12:43 nutritios! 05:12:50 nutritious 05:13:21 --- nick: nutrageous -> MoneyCat 05:14:41 hello monica :) 05:14:48 :* 05:14:55 >o0) 05:15:55 jaffa 05:16:01 sup dude 05:16:12 jaffa, the orange lemonade 05:16:16 hi all 05:16:32 and lothar the great emperor of deuxland 05:16:45 what direction do you live in germany? 05:17:12 west 05:17:42 western germany, why? 05:17:50 just asking 05:18:18 to know where we shoudlnt' order terrorism attack to 05:18:36 north-east germany it is then 05:18:39 berlin perhaps 05:18:40 ;) 05:18:45 heh 05:18:56 8lynx was at south 05:19:05 iirc 05:19:08 heh 05:19:08 yep 05:19:09 :) 05:19:28 triple nuke woudl do nice mess 05:19:34 but berlin is a nice city :-( 05:19:40 hmm 05:19:55 okay 05:20:07 ):( << sad schizo smiley :D 05:20:38 o.O)3 ( ( ( >= 05:20:56 surprised and listening to something from speakers :D 05:21:03 gotta go to saxophone lesson in 5 minutes 05:21:12 do you like playing? 05:21:13 hah 05:21:18 yup 05:21:23 nice 05:21:25 tunts tunts 05:21:27 where is the girls? 05:21:29 where is the whisky? 05:21:31 where is my lap top? 05:21:32 :( 05:21:44 * mur 's heard that music and maths are linked each other 05:21:58 in what way? 05:22:00 maybe because of the calcultaing or something 05:22:01 i dont know 05:22:03 :o) 05:22:08 heh 05:22:27 i don't compose :-( 05:22:32 * mur woudl like to compose 05:22:39 but never bothered to learn notes 05:22:48 i do play randomly stuff though :D 05:22:57 improvisation 05:23:04 * mur humms a lot 05:23:49 seej00 05:23:58 :O#<<<<<<<<<== < someone at fir tree 05:24:02 terve lodda 05:24:54 300 END OF CONVERSATION 05:25:06 jaf, do you have laptop? 05:26:36 yes 05:26:40 did you check sbox screenshots? 05:26:44 it`s running on my lap top 05:26:48 old lap top 05:26:48 :D 05:26:52 ~~~\{("o")}/~~~~ someone in danger on sea with life belt (??) 05:27:42 --\_/(-.-)\_/-- luke skywalker in ship! :) 05:28:52 oppm 05:29:03 ťt 05:29:14 4 05:29:25 ť׉p 05:29:32 . 05:29:34 !@#$!#$!@#@@!#!@#@!#@!#!@# 05:29:43 MoneyCat send your picture to us 05:29:44 ť܍ݧw䫗וa 05:30:17 (^.^\\\ -( hey sweet boys) 05:31:40 /\ 05:31:44 \/ 05:32:38 what is this and where did it go on my hdd? 05:32:59 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81589.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 05:33:00 its a jpeg 05:33:09 search for "moneycat.jpeg 05:33:29 \/\/()55|\|/-\|\/|3 05:34:02 ťҢt 05:34:03 :) 05:34:23 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:40:48 More No Cat 05:41:00 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:42:23 =_= @@@@@@@@@@@@@ 05:42:35 MoneyCat, mors, MoneyCat, mor 05:42:37 ť;ԿоξվΠc 05:42:55 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:43:23 n' 05:43:28 n'est pas 05:43:28 n' 05:43:30 --- join: wl (philipp@p5086578F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:43:37 --> wl ( 05:43:48 <-- owm 05:44:09 ---> 05:44:13 phil ip p@p 5086578F. .dip. 05:44:22 -----> 2 05:44:34 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 05:44:42 ---> 05:44:46 t-di ali n.net 05:44:58 <- 05:44:58 ---> 05:45:18 <--> $@%"%"treYEGGHEPMG 05:45:25 05:45:34 ťϽp 05:45:37 СN 05:45:44 ޢ 05:45:47 05:45:51 mur, 05:46:06 05:46:09 MoneyCat 05:46:28 @mur 05:46:47 . mors 05:46:58 1000000 05:47:26 mur, 100000 05:47:32 ?O?S? 05:47:33 MoneyCat, 500$ 05:47:47 EtherNet, 30 05:47:59 ťr 05:48:26 ť MoneyCat 05:48:28 isqhqhhq 3@$$${${${${${37 05:48:44 N 05:49:08 ťNЪ 05:49:11 05:49:27 + = 05:49:37 mur = deity[] 05:49:52 - = 05:50:05 + = 05:50:17 wtf 05:50:26 2+2 is 1/4 ? 05:50:31 wtc 05:50:51 wth 05:51:12 wtc :boom: 05:51:23 :s/wtc// 05:51:29 C 05:51:40 stop this :( 05:52:00 //\//\//\// 05:52:01 Jaffa 05:52:06 jaf 05:52:09 what an retard that girl 05:52:10 o_O 05:52:11 : 05:52:15 ./ignore MoneyCat 05:52:16 jaf 05:52:17 . 05:52:21 now i don`t get my screen fucked 05:52:21 :) 05:52:32 jaf, do /clear 05:52:32 we resize the terminal for you 05:52:44 ;) 05:53:19 oOo) 05:53:32 :~/tmp$ date 05:53:32 ke kes䠠 25 15:48:19 EEST 2003 05:53:44 ==> ---> | 05:54:15 hmm 05:54:38 | | 05:54:48 | | 05:54:57 | | 05:55:04 | | 05:55:06 | | 05:55:06 | | oops 05:55:10 are you retard or something? 05:55:11 --- part: jaf left #osdev 05:55:15 lol 05:55:28 pass time jaf 05:56:02 |~| super swing 05:56:22 pong ball caught fire! 05:56:44 hah 05:56:53 ---> | @ 0 05:57:00 mur goes out now 05:57:04 it reads 05:57:08 |~~~~~ | comet 05:57:10 x == 1 05:57:30 C14 L473R 05:57:45 P34C3 05:57:52 =K 06:31:24 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06:33:11 <-- 06:34:07 MoneyCat 06:34:21 mors :D 06:34:55 * mors murmurs 06:35:02 crazy fellas 06:37:23 ? 06:38:21 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 06:40:54 .id < is this a country ? 06:41:07 rather. where do you check all these stuff 06:41:14 .xx == ccTLD 06:41:23 .xxx+ == uTLD 06:41:38 www.iana.org 06:41:56 id = Indonesia 06:42:05 registering domains? 06:42:37 oh. indonesia 06:42:49 hmm. no.. not really. havent seen .id before 06:43:28 personal.id woudl be nice :) 06:43:34 :) 06:43:34 irc.id maybe too 06:44:34 --- join: jaf (~jaf@200.175.197.172.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined #osdev 06:44:54 rejag 06:44:55 f 06:45:02 hey 06:45:08 I say retard to moneyGAY 06:45:09 not to yu 06:45:09 :) 06:56:45 --- quit: sayke (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06:58:37 no 06:58:38 ops 06:58:45 --- join: trans (auipst@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 07:15:46 --- join: sayke (~abuse@sttldslgw29poolE102.sttl.uswest.net) joined #osdev 07:23:08 --- quit: Mathis ("good night") 07:27:55 --- join: Matzon (Mazon@0x50a1b5bf.unknown.tele.dk) joined #osdev 07:33:26 --- join: SIS-1650-01 (~sis@as11-2-1.rny.s.bonet.se) joined #osdev 07:34:42 Hejsan :) 07:34:57 hej hopp 07:54:11 --- quit: sayke (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:54:11 --- quit: MoneyCat (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:54:11 --- quit: gfafgawrg (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:54:12 --- quit: wcstok (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:54:12 --- quit: wli (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:56:03 --- quit: wossname () 07:57:20 --- join: sayke (~abuse@sttldslgw29poolE102.sttl.uswest.net) joined #osdev 07:57:20 --- join: MoneyCat (Ishq@frm-64-4-101-218.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 07:57:20 --- join: gfafgawrg (~gfafgawrg@213-35-164-90-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee) joined #osdev 07:57:20 --- join: wcstok (jwhite@cse-old.unl.edu) joined #osdev 07:57:20 --- join: wli (wli@holomorphy.com) joined #osdev 08:05:11 --- join: lodda (~playgroun@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 08:07:14 --- join: gfafgawr1 (~gfafgawrg@213-35-164-90-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee) joined #osdev 08:07:15 --- quit: gfafgawrg (Remote closed the connection) 08:14:41 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:16:26 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:50:40 --- quit: gfafgawr1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:08:53 --- join: z3r0_one (~z3r0_one@lsanca1-ar51-4-42-020-164.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #osdev 09:12:04 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FDA0C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 09:13:55 --- quit: kernel2421 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:35:01 --- join: trans (mlwdpm@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 09:42:57 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@oc-nas-11-s198.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 09:48:00 --- join: anavarro (~9p@241.Red-80-24-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #osdev 09:48:02 hi 09:49:48 --- quit: cookin (Remote closed the connection) 09:51:52 --- quit: lodda (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: lodda_!~lodda@p508FD23E.dip.t-dialin.net))) 09:52:18 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FD23E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 09:53:32 --- quit: z3r0_one ("Now committing seppuku daily for the last time...") 09:57:10 --- join: downix (~downix@host-209-215-55-57.pbi.bellsouth.net) joined #osdev 10:00:59 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@h19n1c1o1044.bredband.skanova.com) joined #osdev 10:04:24 morning 10:06:21 moi 10:10:25 --- join: Ishq (Ishq@frm-64-4-101-218.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 10:10:46 --- quit: MoneyCat (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: Ishq!Ishq@frm-64-4-101-218.access.ntelos.net))) 10:12:57 --- quit: lynx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:15:23 man, OS research stinks 10:16:18 it does? 10:16:53 it does when one cannot find good detail on the OS in question 10:17:46 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@p508C57AB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 10:20:00 damn, my new memory doesn't seem to work with my old dimm. 10:20:15 starting the computer with both dimms, and it hangs. 10:20:20 (detects all memory though) 10:20:47 had that happen myself 10:21:06 DDR and sDRAM is much more annoying in their compatability problems than FP and EDO 10:21:16 mmm 10:21:30 i just fuck it, and go with my new memory? or what? 10:22:03 depends 10:22:06 --- join: lynx (~lodsb@pD9E6388F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 10:22:10 I've had DIMMs that hate my motherboard 10:22:32 but love other motherboards 10:24:31 from what I can tell, it seems that the RAM specs are quite loose, so that RAM and NB makers interpret them differently, with some bad results 10:30:35 --- quit: Zenton (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:34:17 --- nick: cookin -> ams2 10:34:25 --- nick: ams2 -> cookin 10:45:07 --- quit: downix ("[BX] I got sucked into /dev/null!") 11:00:28 --- quit: jaf ("[BX] Captain Kangaroo uses BitchX. Shouldn't you?") 11:03:14 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:03:16 --- nick: Kurt -> JubalEarly 11:03:37 --- nick: JubalEarly -> Kurt 11:03:42 lynx, lynx 11:09:01 --- quit: trans (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:10:28 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81418.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 11:11:31 --- nick: wcstok -> wcstok\r\n 11:15:08 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by rear") 11:16:46 --- nick: wcstok\r\n -> wcstok 11:17:43 --- join: Zenton (~vicente@8.Red-80-34-35.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #osdev 11:26:20 --- nick: Zenton -> Zenton_ 11:29:39 --- join: pavlovski (~tim@host217-44-188-189.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) joined #osdev 11:44:21 --- join: trans (tcjtfz@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 11:44:28 hello 11:44:54 i'm having some problems with assembly code in my os 11:45:09 that's a shame 11:45:21 i want maximum portability ... 11:45:42 people! on #osdev! 11:45:42 i can make a pure assembly file or use inline assembly 11:45:50 umm hmm 11:45:57 trans: you want portability, so you're using assembly? 11:45:59 or you can try to avoid as much asm as possible 11:46:26 and since asm by definition is unportable, in the places you use it it doesn't matter how you lay it out 11:46:46 as long as you provide a way for other architectures to override it, provide their own implementation 11:46:47 inline is better because i can let C handle calling but the conventions of inline asm are different on different compilers 11:47:10 yes, the only safe way is to put it in it's own file 11:47:12 the calling conventions of out-of-line code are different on different compilers 11:47:18 by portability i mean compilable on differnt x86 systems with different compiler (sorry) 11:47:29 trans: oh bleh 11:47:31 why bother? 11:47:44 do you see a need to move to a different compiler some time soon? 11:47:57 yes 11:48:07 why? 11:48:15 I question if that's necessary 11:48:24 because it's a *massive* pain in the ass for system level programminfg 11:48:45 far more than just porting a user app from one compiler to another 11:48:50 because i have adifferent 16 bit compiler on my dos box which i am dev'ing for atm than the 32 bit compiler on my workstation 11:49:30 i don't want to be limited to a single compiler 11:49:37 why would you need to port your code between a 16-bit compiler and a 32-bit one? 11:49:50 all i *really* need to do in asm is the interrupt handler 11:49:58 that's like saying "I want to port my asm code between x86 and PPC" 11:50:04 pav: so i can write code for both systems 11:50:23 you want to make your code portable between 16-bit and 32-bit? 11:50:36 yes 11:50:39 good luck 11:50:42 hahahahaha! 11:50:47 so you're writing to write the next Windows 95? 11:50:54 s/Windows 95/Windows 3.1/ 11:51:05 ok my sys is not really an OS 11:51:05 s/writing/planning/ 11:51:10 trans has no idea what he's getting into 11:51:17 it runs as an app ontop of existing systems most of the time 11:51:26 16-bit x86 is so limited it's not worth making something portable between them both 11:51:35 you'll end up limiting the 32-bit version far too much 11:51:42 right 11:51:46 the crossover between the two is tiny 11:51:51 uuugggg 11:51:56 there is *no* pointer writing any 16 bit code nowadays 11:51:59 i'm not being clear 11:52:00 er point even 11:52:07 i.e. either you'll impose a 64KB limitation on your 32-bit code, or you'll have to have generic segmentation handling *all* the time 11:52:19 having said that, OS/2 seemed to manage it -- just 11:53:18 C code must be compilable on on as many systems as possible (the truely portable code which doesn't actually touch hardware) 11:54:09 true, but writing fully portable code in C is pretty limiting 11:54:26 especially if you're targetting non-flat architectures 11:54:26 were i must use asm (like in my int manager), i will write multiple versions to handle different machines (a protected mode one, a real mode (16bit) on, ones for other archs, etc) 11:54:45 yukyukyukyukyukyuk 11:55:26 good luck trans, you're gonna need it 11:55:29 targetting multiple sensible architectures is one thing, but targetting sensible architectures *and* a small machine like the 8086 is another 11:55:31 but at the same time i want the code i write (machine dependant code) to compile on as many different compilers as possible 11:55:40 hehehe 11:55:47 ...and trying to target multiple compilers! 11:56:24 well what do i have the most luck with? inline asm or pure asm? 11:56:28 so you want the same code to compile with Turbo C and run on an 8086 and to compile with gcc and run on an ARM? 11:56:32 not saying it can't be done, but it'd be a massive pain in the ass, and if youhave to ask about it on irc, you probably dont have the experience or knowledge to pull it off at all 11:56:38 agreed 11:56:42 I wouldn't know where to start 11:56:54 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FF89B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 11:56:56 neither do I 11:56:58 I don't know of any system that has achieved that 11:57:05 geist: i ask everything on irc 11:57:18 even when i know what i am going to do =) 11:57:19 hi 11:57:25 hi 11:57:38 trans: good, hopefully you know what to do here, because it sure looks hopeless to me 11:57:48 hopeless, and pointless 11:57:54 thanks anyways 11:58:00 hey, doesn't Minix target 16-bit and 32-bit machines? 11:58:09 yes 11:58:24 have you read OS:D&I? 11:58:28 yes 11:58:36 probably with some serious feature restrictions 11:58:38 and what did you learn? 11:58:56 it's too hard to write a modern paging vm and have it work on a non paging system without gutting it, etc 11:59:00 the book only covered 16bit 11:59:03 I learned that it's a waste of time to target two completely different architectures 11:59:13 trans: which book did you read? 11:59:24 geist: i've told you a million times, its not an OS in your sense 11:59:27 =) 11:59:38 trans: trying to write *anything* that works on that many systems ishard 11:59:42 2bd ed 11:59:52 a full os on that many compilers/systems is impossible 12:00:02 my copy of the Second Edition covers 16 and 32 bits in the source code 12:00:04 its not a full os! 12:00:12 < geist> trans: trying to write *anything* that works on that many systems ishard 12:00:12 and much more theory in the text 12:00:16 yeah but not in written 12:00:23 don't need the book for the source 12:00:29 *anything* includes *whatever you're writing* 12:00:36 --- join: kernel2421 (~silvio@ppp-128-187.25-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 12:00:37 heh 12:00:43 hahahah 12:00:51 quite entertaining 12:01:05 he'll just keep at it until he eventually burns out 12:01:06 hello 12:01:10 --- quit: anavarro ("..") 12:01:14 =) 12:01:19 like usual 12:01:24 geist: I just hope he's not going to keep coming here with questions on it 12:01:37 stnadard problem, doesn't have the experience or knowledge to figure it out, but he has some idea that he thinks is great and will talk about it for years and never get anywhere with it 12:01:44 * kernel2421 saluta * 12:01:50 hi 2421 12:01:51 probably about half of the people here fall into that 12:02:17 the trick is picking a project one can actually make progress on 12:02:28 even if the goals are somewhat less aspiring than you'd like 12:02:37 hello pavlovski 12:02:43 then at least you get something done, and at the minimum you can put iton your resume 12:06:57 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 12:08:11 tmp robert 12:08:16 and hey general2421 12:08:49 http://amiga.emugaming.com/smiley.html 12:08:53 * mur has been thinking 12:09:06 just a while ago. i coudl do webservice that generates smiley from name 12:09:15 with some "super secret" rules :) 12:11:50 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:14:21 --- quit: wossname ("^___-") 12:18:53 --- join: _avlovski (~tim@host217-44-188-189.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) joined #osdev 12:27:33 --- quit: Robert_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:28:01 pavlovski! 12:28:18 <_avlovski> mur! 12:28:34 we had discussion but it was paused 2 days ago :o) 12:30:54 but page_dir must to have 1024 entry? 12:31:31 kernel2421: yes, 4096 / 4 = 1024 12:32:12 mmhhh and if i make page_dir of 200 entry? 12:32:34 you can't, unless you make the other entries not present 12:32:47 ah ok 12:32:50 thanks 12:35:41 --- join: redblue (star@ppp098.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 12:41:57 and it *has* to be page aligned. ie the start of the page dir needs to be at a physical address multiple of 4096 12:42:00 same with page tables 12:42:15 soyou couldn't reuse page dir entries for other things anyway, even if you wanted to 12:42:44 geist: you caused an access violation in my IRC client! 12:43:02 is it foryour os? 12:43:05 no, Windows 12:43:16 I wanted an IRC client which would sit in my taskbar 12:43:16 blah, it's not 31337 here until it's on your os 12:43:20 heh 12:43:37 I say that in order to restate my supremacy 12:43:45 crap, I know why it crashed 12:43:58 I only mapped PAGE_SIZE bytes of my memory mapped file 12:44:32 --- quit: _avlovski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:45:59 that'll do it 12:46:24 hmm, I might do some OS development instead 12:46:42 geist: I'm aiming to replicate the one in the screenshot at http://box.themobius.co.uk/desktop.png 12:47:06 why dont you just use that 12:47:21 because you lose the connection as soon as you try to do anything clever with it 12:47:41 Explorer destructs your toolbar object and creates a new one when you drag it out of the taskbar 12:47:56 so if I wanted to see more than two lines of this conversation I'd have to reconnect 12:48:15 I want to do a similar thing to Windows Media Player, which you can also see in that screenshot 12:49:27 --- quit: redblue (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:49:27 --- quit: lodda (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:49:27 --- quit: lynx (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:49:27 --- quit: msa_ (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:49:44 --- join: redblue (star@ppp098.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 12:49:44 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FF89B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 12:49:44 --- join: lynx (~lodsb@pD9E6388F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 12:49:44 --- join: msa_ (~msa@APuteaux-115-1-9-239.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 12:51:07 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 12:52:33 hmm 12:52:51 maybe I could cheat, and avoid remapping large chunks of the file by installing an exception handler 12:53:02 i.e. implement a kind of demand paging in user mode Windows 12:55:08 pavlovski, with 17 eur /mo you coudl get http://personal.net.id 12:55:09 :) 12:55:17 --- join: nairou (~nairou@adsl-63-201-210-123.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 12:55:33 17 eur.. is that $13 12:55:52 ~ 12:57:18 --- join: Mathis (irc@pD9EA994F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 12:57:24 earth.destroyed.by.big.com.et :) 12:57:25 http://finance.yahoo.com/m5?s=USD 12:57:28 com.et avail too! 12:57:30 hi 12:57:54 hmm, where did I get to with Mobius? 12:59:14 --- join: air (~brand@12-210-165-176.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 12:59:25 riaa-air 12:59:38 smashed.under.com.et :) 12:59:47 sweeet :) 12:59:52 heh 13:00:09 mur.in.a.bask.et 13:00:25 not sure if .et is easily registrable 13:00:34 what country is .et? 13:00:38 ethiopia 13:00:48 mur.you.su.uk 13:00:57 crap, I spelled that wrong 13:01:01 su.uk is not available 13:01:01 dig in 13:01:05 me.uk is 13:01:09 fu.uk? 13:01:14 pavlovski.trolls.me.uk 13:01:14 lol 13:01:17 f.uk 13:01:18 no, you're not allowed to register 2nd-level .uk domains 13:01:25 --- join: witten (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 13:01:33 pavlovski, long time ago it was possible 13:01:39 that's when me.uk was registered 13:01:46 me.uk was relatively recent 13:02:02 * geist is sitting in a conference room, waiting for the call 13:02:09 Nominet are pretty strict, although various government agencies get 2nd level domains 13:02:15 e.g. www.police.uk 13:02:16 my powerbook's batteries are pretty low though 13:02:34 www.f.uk for the parliament? 13:02:39 geist: get out your hiptop :) 13:03:11 indeed 13:03:32 ROFL! 13:03:44 .co.ck is cook islands commecial domain suffix! 13:03:53 lol 13:03:58 lol 13:04:36 * pavlovski goes to www.co.uk 13:04:40 i wonder if you could register spo.ck 13:04:44 is it avail? 13:09:24 --- quit: nairou ("Client Exiting") 13:09:41 hmmm.... hacked.by is taken already 13:11:15 pavlovski, www.co.uk is taken! 13:11:31 I know :) 13:16:05 heh.. www.pavlovski.by/mom is avail! :) 13:18:18 cathastrope.by/bush is also avail! 13:19:07 oops 13:19:24 I have a malloc_create_heap function to create a new heap inside an existing one 13:19:30 terrorism.attack.by/al-quida is avail too 13:19:36 terrorism.by/mur too 13:19:43 I was allocating the new heap, but I passed the old one to my malloc_init_state function 13:20:55 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 13:21:53 programs.coded.by/robert is available 13:27:00 whooooop 13:27:08 w.tf is registered by william tell foundation :D 13:27:35 no web site :( 13:27:40 but there is a www.wtf.org 13:31:06 hmm 13:31:14 perhaps the coudl sell it :) 13:31:38 Registered 1998-09-03 13:33:30 geist: how does NewOS handle file caching? 13:34:40 http://free.freespeech.org:80/arkivet/bilder/organisering/org02.jpg 13:36:47 pavlovski: it's not finished yet, but I intend to do file bashed caching 13:36:55 ie, the vm and file cache are the same 13:37:03 right 13:37:08 wondering how I should handle it 13:37:09 caches the contents of the file, the filesystem gets paging requests from the vm 13:37:21 well the *easy* way is to just write a simple block cache 13:37:31 NT handles all file I/O through memory-mapped files 13:37:50 ie 'get_block/put_block/read_cache/write_cache' that operates on a io descriptor on a device 13:37:54 ReadFile and WriteFile just turn into memcpy in the kernel 13:37:56 and have the file system use that 13:38:01 that's the easy way to do it, beos style 13:38:20 but that's not too good, right? 13:38:23 it has obvious problems. it's hard to effectively use free memory 13:38:39 *any* caching is dramatically better than no caching 13:38:57 hmm 13:39:42 I don't want to end up with separate implementations for file caching and MMFs 13:39:55 since I think they are fundamentally the same thing 13:41:38 --- join: gfafgawrg (~gfafgawrg@217-159-132-10-dsl.kvm.estpak.ee) joined #osdev 13:51:59 if you really wanna unify caching, make all of ram nothing more than a huge disk cache 13:52:34 cool, but kinda restricts you to 4GB disk space total 13:52:50 %\v picasso smiley :) 13:53:03 lol @ %\v 13:55:37 pavlovski: on 32-bit arches, yeah 13:55:42 not on 64-bit :) 13:55:48 hmm 13:59:13 having ram be a huge disk cache is counterproductive 13:59:23 the overhead required to do that overrides any benefits 14:00:53 wo 14:01:08 * pavlovski enables CR0.WP bit and immediately triggers an exception early on in kernel boot 14:01:13 geist: whatever overhead? 14:01:13 dubious 14:01:54 --- quit: lodda () 14:02:00 witten: the amount of overhead needed to store the paging structures, other stuff to track the cached pages, etc 14:02:19 heh 14:02:27 geist is clueless 14:02:33 sigh 14:02:33 yeah :) 14:02:38 not gonna get into it today 14:02:46 geist: page tables 14:02:49 geist: newos doesnt use page tables right? 14:03:00 geist: cuz they add all that overhead 14:04:37 okay so a system where you basically mmap all of the block devices and use that for caching would only be really feasible on 64-bit systems 14:04:46 and one that has a sane paging system (so that immediately kicks out x86-64) 14:04:58 and there are *no* operating systems that are designed to work 64-bit only 14:05:22 so perhaps if one was designed to run on 64-bit only, you could get some gains 14:05:38 the downside is then you ahve a massive sparsly populated virtual address space 14:05:51 digging through that to find page replacement would be relatively expensive 14:06:28 and the vm data structures to track the sparse page allocation (since this would only be feasible on a non page table based system, ie just TLB systems) 14:06:47 would be pretty large 14:06:47 geist: I'm not seeing what the problem is with sparsely populated virtual address space 14:07:05 you waste tons of memory on page tables (if you're using an x86 derivative) 14:07:15 this is no different than having to track pages on any other OS 14:07:17 whcih is why I'm saying it'd be only really feasible on a non x86 14:08:03 ah but on a system where the file caches are mapped on demand, you dont have nearly as many virtual pages present at the same time 14:08:10 and page tables can be recycled like crazy 14:08:43 on something like an ultrasparc this kind of arrangement you talk of could potentially be pretty useful 14:09:04 solaris kind of takes advantage of this actually, their kernel space is quite large (the amount of it they use) 14:09:06 geist: cached data still IS mapped on demand with this scheme I'm talking about 14:09:31 I was under the impression that you just wanted to reserve say a 120gb chunk of virtual space to map your 120gb drive 14:09:47 if you're envisioning page tables in memory containing mappings for every conceivable bit of data on disk, then you're smoking something :) 14:10:03 witten: yer wasting yer time, he will never agree with u 14:10:17 that's pretty much what you said, and thats why I was thinking you were smoking the crack 14:10:21 air: I don't need him to agree with me. I just need him to stop smoking crack :) 14:10:34 geist: ok, then it's a misunderstanding on that point 14:10:39 --- quit: wl ("Quit") 14:10:40 WTF, you were the one that came up with this scheme. perhaps I misunderstood it 14:10:46 but that doesn't mean I'm smoking crack 14:10:52 geist: ok ok 14:10:53 heh 14:11:04 --- join: jsr (www@du-15-245.ppp.telenordia.se) joined #osdev 14:11:07 geist: well anyway, not all pages are mapped at all times 14:11:08 I'm pointing out some problems with the scheme that I thought you said. period. dont start being a dick about that 14:11:19 geist: I'm not being an air 14:11:21 er, I mean a dick 14:11:23 yeah, sorry 14:11:33 no worries 14:11:55 anyhoo, I've thought about the large memory space thing a lot 14:12:33 it has a lot of potential. the main reason I think systems haven't taken advantage of it is there's no clean 64-bit os implementation that was written that way from the get-go 14:12:54 and then only certain 64-bit mmus are worth their weight in salt 14:12:59 hehe 14:13:16 well, it's something to think about anyway 14:13:19 you bet 14:13:22 as 64 bit becomes more common 14:13:37 yeah. I keep meaning to download ppc 970 specs, see how the mmu was implemented 14:13:54 they probably just extended the ppc hashtable thing, which would sort of be okay for large memory systems 14:14:17 much better than page tables, but still stuck with a small number of page sizes 14:15:20 this is jolly strange 14:15:50 jolly stranger 14:16:44 apparently my import address table is read-only 14:16:58 so the loader faults when it's trying to poke addresses into it 14:17:23 that reminds me, I still need a way to change the protection on an existing region 14:17:39 right now I have to map binaries R/W because they get patched 14:17:55 but then I cant go back and remark the pages R/O 14:18:54 get patched? 14:19:04 for linking with libs 14:19:17 wtf 14:19:20 twf 14:19:25 fwt 14:19:42 www 14:19:42 ttt 14:19:43 fff 14:20:02 goddamnit I'm starting to want a G5 more and more 14:20:07 I'm such a sucker 14:20:33 so now that means I need to buy a motorcycle before the G5's ship 14:21:59 --- quit: jsr ("bye") 14:22:19 haha 14:22:27 so you won't have enough money for the G5's? 14:22:31 right 14:22:42 I just got a car, so I have no worries about G5s 14:22:56 new? 14:22:58 or at least I'd feel bad enough about spending money for both 14:23:04 Ishq: yah 14:23:14 geist: but do so anyway? :) 14:23:21 witten, make? 14:23:35 well, I've spent too much this year already 14:23:40 har! 14:23:41 Ishq: 03 Honda Accord LX 14:23:45 then I started putting an assload into savings 14:23:49 nice 14:23:56 I'm using the wrong set of protection flags when I actually map the page once a read has finished 14:24:07 Ishq: now I just gotta figure out how to interface with the factory stereo so I can put in an ogg player 14:24:20 hah 14:24:23 geist: savings is good 14:24:44 indeed 14:24:46 401k is good 14:24:51 roth ira is good 14:24:58 402k is better 14:25:13 which reminds me.. I need to get on my bank's case for not sending me my roth ira signup info 14:25:16 witten: you support the IRA? 14:25:21 heh 14:25:54 heh 14:26:15 that reminds me of the other day late at night after a band's show there was a bunch of drunk irish guys on the street talking about the IRA 14:26:24 heh 14:26:28 Sign up for IRA today, sponsor free car bomb! 14:26:35 they spoke favorably 14:26:45 I didn't disagree, they probably would have kicked the shit out of me 14:26:48 though they were drunk 14:26:58 ya, they would have kneecapped you 14:27:06 my kickboxing skillz probablywould have taken at least one of them otu 14:27:14 but there were like 4 of them 14:27:49 this is secret :- *zip zip* 14:28:06 heh 14:28:15 * geist wonders how to make that char 14:28:24 compose shift y 14:28:35 yeah, ther'es that 'compose' problem 14:28:42 alt gr? 14:28:51 aint no alt gr in US keyboards 14:28:55 both alts are the same 14:29:13 how about the right alt? 14:29:20 same as left alt 14:29:28 same keycode ? 14:29:28 14:29:38 14:29:38 map windows to work as compose 14:29:41 differen't keycode, they're just treated the same 14:29:52 well here right alt works as compose 14:30:02 or how about I just not care 14:30:24 or I could just set the locale to whatever 14:30:30 but then that would be too easy 14:30:42 which got me thinking about the newos keyboard stuff 14:30:50 I sort of make it generic, but not totally 14:31:58 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:47:19 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 14:54:34 good night 14:54:37 --- part: kernel2421 left #osdev 14:55:06 --- quit: Mathis ("good night") 14:57:07 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 15:03:54 --- join: msa (~msa@APuteaux-115-1-18-213.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 15:04:18 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:05:06 --- nick: Zenton_ -> Zenton 15:06:34 --- quit: msa_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:16:54 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:17:11 Ishq is back! 15:17:32 Mur greets Ishq Monicat 15:20:48 --- quit: mur ("escaped irc at critical point!") 15:22:10 --- join: thib (~thib@bofh.bitcode.org) joined #osdev 15:30:54 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 15:31:33 --- quit: Robert (Connection reset by peer) 15:31:51 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 15:33:31 --- quit: SIS-1650-01 () 15:37:28 --- quit: Matzon () 15:40:18 --- join: redblue (star@ppp063.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 15:44:25 w0rd 15:45:54 Ishq time 16:04:09 --- quit: cookin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:22:26 word 16:22:35 number 16:31:55 --- join: trans (jljcwi@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 16:35:37 sentence? 16:35:54 OMG THAT IS SOOO NOT FUNNE 16:36:11 OLOLOL RTOFLGMAOU!!!!1111 16:36:22 whatever. 16:41:34 --- quit: air ("cria 0.2.8cvs15 -- http://cria.sf.net") 16:41:46 geist : what are you doing atm? 16:54:04 --- quit: thib ("Client Exiting") 16:55:11 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:57:49 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:58:50 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #osdev 17:00:48 --- quit: pavlovski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:02:36 --- quit: trans (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:05:45 --- join: ToreSB (Tore@96.ppp1-2.oeke.tiscali.no) joined #osdev 17:06:59 hey all! 17:08:23 Anyone have any tutes or anything on GUI design? I'm using a small kernel to test my idea for a GUI but I need to know the nitty-gritty details behind the coding - - I know ASM, and a fair bit of C. 17:08:43 You know, controls and so on 17:09:35 By the way - - Your IRC stats are self-contradicting 17:10:20 Do we have IRC stats? Cool 17:10:33 -.- 17:10:54 you are the ones linked to from Mbius right? 17:11:15 http://www.themoebius.org.uk/irc/ 17:11:36 Probably, I remember something about pavlovskii having stats. 17:18:03 1 corsairk8 3854 "or recluded regressive message digital summary algorithm" 17:18:08 kickass random quote lol 17:18:31 Hmmm. 17:18:35 I haven't seen him in ages. 17:18:37 Where did he go? 17:18:48 Chille brings happiness to the world. 34.6% lines contained smiling faces. :) 17:18:48 analyst isn't a sad person either, smiling 31.6% of the time. 17:18:48 Chille seems to be sad at the moment: 9.9% lines contained sad faces. :( 17:18:48 DorkPunk is also a sad person, crying 6.9% of the time. 17:19:00 :) 17:23:54 hrm 17:25:14 Most used words 17:25:14 Word Number of Uses Last Used by 17:25:14 1 think 474 DorkPunk 17:25:26 THAT is a nice word to have at #1! 17:25:52 6 lynx 1646 "nothing : yeah , you are lost energy" 17:26:08 huh 17:26:09 :P 17:26:16 that was like ages ago :P 17:27:06 maybe this isn't up to date then *checks date* Ah: Statistics generated on Friday 19 April 2002 - 13:30:53 17:28:02 I love stats 17:28:03 lol 17:28:24 I love making stats with my RH box and running it thru GNUplot 17:29:04 just for the nerd fun of it 17:29:29 heh 17:30:40 RH box is also divx mp3 etc 17:30:59 and just basic screwing around box 17:31:15 I also have a 386 IBM that I love so veery veery much 17:31:32 I do most of my work on a p133 with 56m ram 17:32:38 heh 17:32:53 I'm working on restoring a PDP-7 17:32:57 1964 17:32:59 * lynx has a bunch of ptuers sitting somewhere in the room 17:33:04 cool :) 17:33:17 doesnt it need some wicked battery-ram thingy to start? 17:33:32 what you mean? 17:34:00 Are you simulating one? 17:34:07 Or do you actually have a PDP-7? 17:34:10 i once saw a battery powered ram block which was used as startup """disk""" 17:34:13 no 17:34:20 it was for a pdp 17:34:29 but i dont know which model, so.. hah not really helpful 17:34:30 I actually have one 17:34:35 Cool. 17:34:44 * Robert suddently wants to go to Oslo. 17:34:47 lol 17:34:59 Computer from the year of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. 17:35:03 DAMN, HOW SEXY 17:35:19 Robert: 4 years older than it 17:35:32 LSD was track 3 of sgt. peppers 17:35:53 bah, beatles. 17:36:12 Robert: I'm planning on restoring sexier machines 17:36:28 Robert: I'd beat you BAD in spacewar lol 17:36:41 spacewar on an actual oscilloscope 17:36:42 lol 17:36:52 spacewar? 17:37:06 The world's FIRST EVER computer game 17:37:14 I have it to the left of my feet 17:37:23 Didn't you say 1967 17:37:24 ? 17:37:25 I think it's actually the only remaining copy 17:37:26 what was it running on? 17:37:33 Ah 17:37:35 '64 17:37:37 lynx: Whatcha mean? 17:37:40 Robert: moron 17:37:43 Sorry - misread. 17:37:52 ToreSB: what was the underlying hardware 17:37:53 I do know my Beatles, but not the PDP computers. :D 17:38:00 lol 17:38:06 Robert: You a fan too eh? 17:38:19 Of Beatles, yes. PDP? Never had one. 17:38:20 Robert: will you work with me on an opensource box? 17:38:26 BTW: 1967 was Revolver. 17:38:30 lynx: Containing what? 17:38:33 Robert: very simple but workable harsware design 17:38:34 :P 17:38:38 ToreSB: Eh, that's 66. 17:38:47 ToreSB: '67 is Sgt. Pepper's. 17:38:50 Robert: dunno 17:38:53 True. But sgt was 68 17:38:58 lynx: I'm thinking about using one. 17:39:01 I know for SURE it's 1968 17:39:03 Robert: maybe a coldfire proc and somepl hardware around it 17:39:05 ToreSB: No. That was The Beatles. 17:39:15 The white album 17:39:19 the beatles was 69 or something 17:39:36 listen: She's Leaving Home was finished March 17th, 1968 17:39:47 "Released in June 1967, 'Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band' spent 148 weeks on the UK album chart and 175 weeks on the US album chart, reaching No.1 on both." 17:39:57 well that would be wrong 17:40:05 seing how it wasn't made until '68 17:40:12 What's your source? 17:40:18 the cover 17:40:24 of the CD version 17:40:25 lol 17:40:27 LOl 17:40:31 Heh. 17:40:41 The LP was released in '67. 17:40:46 Period. 17:40:54 THAT; and I remember She's Leaving Home because it's exactly 20 years before my B/D 17:41:19 She's Leaving Home 17:41:19 (Lennon/McCartney) 17:41:20 Recorded: 17th and 20th March 1967. Mixed: 20th March and 17th April 1967. Location: Abbey Road 2, London 17:41:40 Please, give up! 17:41:48 wtf? 17:41:53 I'm right, you're wrong. 17:41:55 :D 17:42:05 1967? a fucking typo on the CD version then 17:42:20 Or maybe some remix, I don't know. 17:42:28 But that would be stupid. 17:42:29 true this was the US version 17:43:08 * Robert has a cheap Japanese copy of the LP ;) 17:43:11 Or.. my parents have. 17:43:16 * Robert has an mp3 :P 17:43:35 * ToreSB has the original Sgt. Peppers Album LP as released in the US 17:43:59 Also Abbey Road, With The Beatles, and 20 Greatest Hits (Parlophone version) 17:44:40 And also Magical Mystery Tour 17:44:43 "The dumb Americans attacked it as being an advert for abortion." LOL 17:44:47 http://www.beatles-discography.com/index.html?http://www.beatles-discography.com/beatles_songs_s.html 17:44:52 Read about She's Leaving Home. 17:45:23 You don't have The Beatles? :~( 17:45:36 How can you survive without While My Guitar.. ? :) 17:45:54 And no Let It Be either.. :~( 17:46:10 I have it on both CD and MP3 17:46:23 I have the complete discography on MP3 17:46:32 with a dedicated machine to play it lol 17:46:57 know any image-viewing programs for Linux? 17:47:24 gimp? =) 17:48:29 xzgv 17:48:48 Fast and simple. 17:49:00 --- join: redblue (star@ppp050.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 17:49:51 fast and crap 17:49:55 No! 17:49:59 Not at all :) 17:50:17 Sure, you can't write fancy modules for it, and it doesn't take 10 minutes to load... but I like it. 17:50:32 please excuse me while I browse through ...images. *cough* 17:50:34 lol 17:50:45 Beatles pr0n?! 17:50:56 Robert: LMFAO 17:50:57 * Robert should stop trolling and start sleeping. 17:51:10 That's my OTHER redhat box 17:51:11 lol 17:51:25 actually my ISP is going down for mainentance. Back in < 30 minutes 18:00:44 --- join: trans (slhmbt@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 18:01:06 wow shit! 18:01:15 sorry y'all 18:04:20 uhh 18:04:37 $200 for bandwidth utilization, trans 18:10:03 --- join: I440r (I440r@dialup-67.29.214.113.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 18:11:14 --- quit: ToreSB (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:16:12 --- quit: dax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:20:10 --- join: ToreSB (Tore@90.ppp1-9.oeke.tiscali.no) joined #osdev 18:20:22 I have risen from the dead 18:21:04 why? 18:21:22 being offline wasn't fun 18:22:20 12 lodda 348 "unfortunetly i am a lazy bum :(" 18:22:34 That isn't a nice random quote now is it lol 18:22:53 http://bespin.org/~qz/irc/2003-06-June.html 18:22:59 here are uptodate stats 18:23:27 It seem that Robert's shift-key is hanging: 4.7% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE. 18:23:27 For example, like this: 18:23:27 07:48:19 DIE, DUTCHMAN.. DIE! 18:23:29 LOL 18:23:52 Poor you, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 1 times. 18:23:52 For example, like this: 18:23:52 13:25:58 * Robert beats you all. 18:24:08 lodda seems to be sad at the moment: 3.1% lines contained sad faces. :( 18:24:08 lynx is also a sad person, crying 2.1% of the time. 18:24:56 i am a pussy. 18:25:41 Indeed you are 18:25:53 now THAT would make a fine random quote 18:27:20 i think it has been in the stats for several times :) 18:27:33 lol 18:29:52 Heh. 18:30:25 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:32:48 php better better work with jenova soon! 18:32:48 LOL 18:32:48 uhm... first we would need a webserver 18:32:48 no wait sockets 18:32:48 no wait NIC drivers 18:32:49 NO WAIT A FUCKING KERNEL ;) 18:33:20 what kind of kernel? 18:34:05 for our os 18:34:32 Jenova 18:34:37 JenovaOS 18:36:31 well what kind of kernel architecture? 18:36:47 IA32 18:37:16 GPL, 32-bit Pmode 18:43:29 monolithic? 18:46:06 meaning...? 18:46:27 I'm sorry; not very stable on the terminology :) 18:47:35 is ecverythign crammed into the kernel code or is it a modularized one and if yes then to what extend? 18:48:34 Ah; We're aiming for a certain degree of modularity 18:50:01 But how much is uncertain for now 18:52:35 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@oc-nas-11-s173.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 18:54:00 ic 18:54:05 ohhh AVR asm is beautiful sometimes 18:55:15 :) 18:55:40 i need my STK500 to test if the scheduler works 18:55:54 Robert: how would you design an open source box? 18:58:42 lynx: Improvising with a soldering iron. You? 18:59:02 Robert: Jg mst sg frvl 18:59:22 I made a box once 18:59:30 m68k 18:59:41 ToreSB: Heh :D Natti. 18:59:57 it ran BASIC and had a TV interface 19:00:02 but cyaz 19:00:10 BASIC... eeew :P 19:00:45 * Robert should go to bed. 19:00:51 Night, lynxie. 19:01:00 And Tore 19:01:02 nite 19:23:59 --- quit: ToreSB (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:29:09 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:32:31 --- quit: trans (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:48:29 --- join: Mathis (irc@pD9EA9D52.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 19:48:41 hi 19:52:48 --- join: Guest86815 (dax@u212-239-163-10.adsl.pi.be) joined #osdev 19:54:32 it's dax again! 19:54:39 dax: why do you keep logging in as Guest86815 20:08:52 --- join: redb1ue (star@ppp053.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 20:09:25 --- nick: redb1ue -> redblue 20:16:42 hah 20:17:59 --- quit: zwane (Excess Flood) 20:18:41 --- join: zwane (User-10565@modemcable204.207-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 20:32:02 --- quit: Mathis ("good night") 20:33:17 --- quit: Hirogen2 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:36:07 --- join: Hirogen2 (jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de) joined #osdev 20:44:33 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 21:01:05 --- join: trans (vnmpsi@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 21:35:03 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:35:27 --- join: redblue (star@ppp054.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 21:53:03 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:57:58 --- quit: redblue (Connection reset by peer) 22:02:48 --- join: redblue (star@ppp039.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 22:07:17 --- nick: asmodeus_ -> asmodeus 22:08:17 --- quit: minddog ("leaving") 22:08:26 --- nick: Zenton -> Zenton_ 22:13:06 * Kurt is away: Popcorn and movie 22:13:08 --- nick: Kurt -> Kurt|ViewingPlea 22:27:04 --- nick: Kurt|ViewingPlea -> Kurt 22:32:03 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by ear") 22:37:58 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@h130n1c1o1044.bredband.skanova.com) joined #osdev 22:46:25 --- quit: Zenton_ ("Terminando cliente") 23:01:24 --- join: trans (mbvwog@fatwire-201-79.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 23:37:18 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:37:36 --- join: redblue (star@ppp020.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 23:45:28 oh wow, the G5 benchmark 'discussion' is great on osnews 23:46:08 --- quit: trans (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/03.06.25