00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/03.07.18 00:08:19 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:11:27 --- quit: witten ("restarting X") 00:14:19 --- join: witten (~witten@adsl-gte-la-216-86-199-140.mminternet.com) joined #osdev 00:20:14 --- join: Ishq (Ishq@frm-64-4-101-254.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 00:20:31 --- quit: MoneyCat (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:27:53 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@pD9EAA97C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 00:32:33 --- quit: Mathis (Client Quit) 01:15:03 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 01:22:12 --- join: gfafgawrg (~gfafgawrg@213-35-166-86-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee) joined #osdev 01:23:35 --- quit: asm_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:43:11 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:54:44 --- join: redblue (star@ppp024.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 02:27:54 --- join: dixx (Pdf@c-914272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 03:54:19 --- quit: sayke_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:54:26 --- join: sayke (~abuse@sttldslgw29poolC193.sttl.uswest.net) joined #osdev 03:57:14 --- join: lodda_ ([ZnNErvzlJ@as2-2-7.dre.s.bonet.se) joined #osdev 03:59:00 hey 03:59:07 * lodda_ is at school 04:00:14 heh are you indian? 04:01:28 he is an american-indian 04:01:31 no.. 04:01:50 i am a german 04:02:12 whatcha doing in sweden ? 04:02:14 ok 04:10:12 i'm not in sweden 04:10:30 i just use www.polarhome.com 04:13:47 oh ok 04:23:45 --- join: pr1 (~pr1@L0292P19.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #osdev 04:31:39 --- quit: gpf_ ("I like core dumps") 04:35:35 --- join: msa_ (~msa@APuteaux-115-1-18-109.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 04:37:29 --- quit: lodda_ ("CGI:IRC") 04:38:24 --- quit: msa (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:50:55 --- join: Apophis (~kn64@ppp121-171.lns1.syd2.internode.on.net) joined #osdev 05:16:21 --- join: redb1ue (star@ppp023.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 05:20:29 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:21:59 --- nick: redb1ue -> redblue 05:23:02 --- nick: asmodeus_ -> asmodeus 06:07:58 --- join: Mathis (Mathis@pD9EAB65F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 06:08:24 Hello Mathis! 06:41:10 --- join: Schutsch (~nihil@pD9E765B1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 06:47:52 --- quit: dixx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:01:05 --- quit: Apophis ("Bye.") 07:07:33 --- join: draq (ident@203-219-179-14-nsw.tpgi.com.au) joined #osdev 07:07:59 --- join: laptop__ (laptop@193.61.120.149) joined #osdev 07:08:39 hi ppl 07:09:47 hi 07:13:27 how goes it ppl 07:13:44 who is the admin of this? 07:14:03 * draq starts 3weeks vacation 07:14:31 chanserv 07:15:00 chanserv 07:15:02 ? 07:15:04 who is the admin of this? 07:15:21 why do you ask? 07:16:00 --- quit: pr1 ("Client Exiting") 07:16:01 i would like to publish something that may help ppl beginning os development, if i could get the link in the topic that would be nice 07:16:23 osdev.org 07:16:31 i have been writing up on the os dev stuff such as the cpu, a little theory etc 07:17:05 no, set your link onto www.osdev.org 07:17:21 hmm, ok let me check it out 07:17:22 thanks 07:18:10 you can use the wiki there afaik 07:24:08 you could first publish it here, and if any op thinks it's worth being put in the topic it'll be put into the topic 07:25:02 yeah, and we all could use a good read 07:25:21 so laptop__ have you created your own os? if so tell us about it 07:25:25 since when do n00bs _read_? 07:25:35 Mathis what? 07:25:48 "read? who is that?" 07:29:15 lol 07:30:17 ok i have uploaded my doc to my website u can check it out, please dont go mental if there are things that are wrong in it, it is work in progress 07:32:24 mathis u mind giving me ure views? (dont say it crap! that aint a view) 07:32:44 www.fordax.com/os/publish.htm 07:33:04 gonna check it out 07:33:41 cool thanks 07:35:43 fordax? i can't reach that 07:36:27 http://www.fordax.com/os/publish.htm 07:37:00 yep it definatly up there :) 07:37:09 yes, that's what i can't reach :/ 07:37:36 Server not Found. 07:37:54 ????!! 07:37:59 it works in my browser 07:38:05 now i reached it... 07:38:19 ahhh, nealry had a heart attcak 07:39:11 hehe 07:39:43 well..it's too long to just read it know, i'll bookmark it and maybe read it when i'm bored ;-) 07:40:02 lol 07:40:20 nice explanation of the registers 07:40:29 i am just skimming through 07:40:42 seems to be a good overview and some good background theory to point int he right direction 07:41:07 it looks good, will read all of it later 07:41:25 cool thanks 07:42:11 the stack diagram appears a little like its pointing to the first empty space. 07:43:16 ? what do u mean 07:43:43 --- join: asm (asm@dsl-213-023-232-161.arcor-ip.net) joined #osdev 07:43:58 ss and sp are given, next the diagram shows data added to stack and SP is reduced 07:44:38 yeah , doesn sp point to the top most item on the stack, and not to the available freespace on top of the stack 07:44:59 but i must say its excellent work , i am just looking at some details 07:45:34 yeah there might be some mistakes, my first attempt :) 07:46:49 if there are some incoreect technical stuff please let me know! email: z.younis@fordax.com 07:46:59 www.fordax.com? funny. 07:47:14 and some systems allow fast A20 enabling , without using the keyboard controller the A20 is routed through 07:47:15 funny? funny how? :) 07:47:25 My name is Dax, so that article if for me? 07:47:35 if = is 07:47:40 no lol, 07:47:46 laptop__: yes , i am just giving some comments i think are constructive , sorry if i sound rude, i dont think ill be able to write something like that anyway :) 07:48:15 hsaliak: no probs i was hoping for constructive criticsm 07:48:40 oho 07:49:00 ... i dont think ill be able to write something like that anyway :) 07:49:04 No, you won't. :P 07:49:28 thanks for the conformation, boosts my morale :) 07:50:00 your welcome 07:50:08 lol 07:50:23 it's a pretty lengthy article 07:50:37 oho! Ruroni lynx! lynx is teh Vagabond! ;) 07:51:01 lodda: got your medicine today? 07:51:03 yeah it was part of my project at uni, now i am thinking i make it into a nice little document on os dev 07:51:30 interesting work you do at uni. 07:51:52 --- join: Schutsch2 (~nihil@pD9E77E0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 07:52:05 Rico: pff, you read/watch no mangas/animes, do you? :) 07:52:08 --- join: Dr_Evil (DSLflat@p508FDAE6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 07:53:15 Rico: hmmm, u at uni? 07:53:28 lodda: no, I don't. 07:53:42 rico at elementary!!1 07:53:43 laptop__: yes, doing bachelors now. 07:54:08 Rico: cool location? 07:54:16 Amsterdam, Holland. 07:54:19 Rico: what are you doign anyway atm? 07:54:25 Rico: too sad :'( 07:54:29 lynx: chatting 07:54:44 Rico: ... 07:54:49 Rico: you know what i was asking for. 07:54:51 lynx: ...? 07:55:01 --- part: hsaliak left #osdev 07:55:30 Rico: are you workign on aynthign atm? 07:55:36 A project? 07:55:39 * lodda wonders where dax(the belgian) is; hasn't been online for nearly 3 days 07:56:00 hehe, I do a study for Information Technology, starting 3rd year. It's the only computer related study at bachelors level, after this I will do computer science as a masters. 07:56:15 lynx: no, no serious project. 07:56:25 lynx: u at uni? 07:56:37 laptop__: nah, i just graduated from school 07:56:51 But I'm doing osdev stuff these days. 07:57:00 mostly theoretical. 07:57:10 ah i c 07:57:50 I have the problem of staying motivated on a project, that's why I don't just start one anymore. 07:57:53 Rico: and past that? :) 07:58:10 past what? 07:58:20 doing the master. 07:58:26 Don't know yet 07:58:50 --- join: anon (~blah@dsl093-172-232.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #osdev 07:58:52 making my carreer, or going for a Ph.d 07:59:41 Or I could spend all my time on my pr0n network ;) 07:59:56 I'm making 10.000s a month already. 08:00:02 $ 08:00:20 is that a , or a . ? 08:00:49 $10,000 looks sweet 08:00:49 here in Holland we use a , instead of a . and a . instead of a , 08:00:57 it's the dutch '.' 08:01:12 hmm. 08:01:17 so you making 10,000$ a month? 08:01:30 yes 08:01:35 omg 08:01:45 But I could only dream of a pr0n network like that, and all what I say about it is my imagination. :( 08:02:14 that almost gave me a heartpain.. you being a student and earning 10,000$ 08:02:19 now, i feel better :) 08:02:24 hehe 08:02:33 ;) 08:02:34 I know someone...brb, phone.. 08:02:37 k 08:03:11 back. 08:03:44 I know someone from class who had his own company with 2 other guys in the dot com business, before the market crashed 08:04:01 hm. how much did they make outta the whole stuff? 08:04:09 did he sell in time? 08:04:52 they earned a total income of about 10,000$ a month for the three of them, about 90% of that money came from ads from their personal sites (they had the #1 dutch mp3 site). 08:05:04 oh . neat 08:05:06 --- quit: Schutsch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:05:09 after the crash they only earn about $1000 in total. 08:05:22 but now only of webdesign 08:05:35 they still have their own sites, but the ads barely bring any money. 08:06:08 they earned that big money for about 1 to 2 years 08:06:17 oh wow 08:06:45 3000$ a month outside US for a student. thats good cash 08:07:22 but I asked them how it was to have that much money at that age (~20), and they respond that they were the same, but they cared less about spending money and because of that they got problems with some friends who couldn't handle thay they earned that much money. 08:08:06 no to mention they could use the money to go to Ibiza, most expensive summer vacation in europe. 08:08:16 hmm. who was sayin this.. i guess someone in #c long time back. he got fired from some big company and got 125,000$ package!! when he left 08:08:40 of course I was jealous on them too for earning that much money, but I came to see it isn't actually that important. 08:09:20 if mur was here, he wouldve lectured on whats really important in life 08:09:29 sex? 08:09:32 beer? 08:09:34 drugs? 08:09:38 rock 'n roll? 08:09:50 Lesbian pr0n? 08:09:52 heh. no, i dunno , he keeps babbling about some philosophy and stuff 08:10:02 how man evolves, blah blah 08:10:21 lol, well, he might be right, but I don't think he got the right audience here :) 08:12:04 anyways, I earn about $ 200 for some part time work and in this vacation about $ 400 (a month), enough for me :) 08:12:25 Rico your list looks very important 08:12:34 my list? 08:13:23 sex beer rock'n'roll & Lesbian prOn 08:13:56 :) 08:14:00 don't forget the drugs. 08:14:16 legal weed here in holland :D 08:14:19 sorry 08:14:30 legal prostitution here too. 08:14:50 neat 08:14:56 * draq is too cheap to pay for it 08:15:15 We have a coffeeshop here in amsterdam called Mr. Smokey :) 08:15:25 why pay for a hard on when i could pay for hardware 08:15:43 oh. amsterdam, the prostitution capital of the world... almost 08:15:51 draq: riiight... 08:16:19 mors: isn't bangkok or such more the capital for these things ? 08:16:21 i guess thailand 08:16:26 oh. yeah.. was about to say that 08:16:36 well, I don't do drugs though, not daily I mean ;) 08:17:00 --- quit: Schutsch2 () 08:17:39 gtg... 08:17:40 --- quit: Mathis ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 08:19:46 http://www.fordax.com/os/publish.htm 08:20:01 incase u missed it ;) 08:20:27 are you gonna move it from there ? 08:20:36 later... 08:22:54 well, keep it up there, I will read it tonight. 08:23:16 no probs 08:23:31 anyway i have gtg u see ppl later 08:23:39 cya 08:23:48 no mors not gonna move it from there 08:24:00 good. then i could bookmark it 08:24:06 yes :) 08:24:11 :) 08:30:24 --- quit: laptop__ () 08:35:21 --- join: ravelo (NmPgS@194.176.191.70) joined #osdev 08:38:01 --- join: Smari (~spm@optimized.bitcode.org) joined #osdev 08:38:43 somebody remove ravelo? He's got some friggin' onjoin thingymajig in some weird language that seems to be italian. 08:38:50 and.. there he goes again.. 08:39:07 --- part: mors left #osdev 08:39:11 --- join: mors (~skywalker@64.104.136.140) joined #osdev 08:39:18 :( 08:39:20 i didnt get any 08:39:22 Ohh. 08:39:25 Lucky me then? 08:39:29 Annoys me none the less. 08:39:31 yeah.. i think so 08:39:39 Anyway.. 08:39:49 yay. he is considerate 08:39:50 i got it 08:39:55 Hehe. 08:39:55 stupid fook 08:39:57 indeed. 08:41:04 * Smari is doing an OS that should be Unicode only. Anybody know how to convince GCC to translate my ASCII string to Unicode, or alternatively have a function/macro that changes ASCII to unicode? 08:42:08 sorry, i annoyed anyone here? 08:42:37 looks like 08:42:38 i am in an internetcafe, don't know my mirc settings , very much sorry , will check that 08:42:44 cool 08:42:49 ravelo: Type "/unload -rs script.ini" ;) 08:43:05 I think that's the one. 08:43:10 --- quit: Dr_Evil () 08:43:27 idling in #osdev from an internet cafe.. guess the rates are quite cheap over there 08:43:45 hehe :) 08:43:51 oh.. you seem to be in a lot of channels 08:44:06 and an Op of #iloveyou 08:44:09 lol 08:44:10 you loverboy.. you you.. 08:44:18 ;) 08:44:36 whoops.. 08:44:46 I edited "pain.c" instead of "main.c" 08:44:59 pain! :) 08:45:45 i once did a * instead of *.o , good i had backup.. 08:46:20 rm ^ 08:46:42 hehe :) 08:46:49 Guys, much sorry for an onjoin command or anything, i tried unloading scripts.ini. hope i fixed it... 08:47:07 A friend of mine once typed "rm -Rf ~ /somefile.fleah" ... 08:47:22 instead of "rm -Rf ~/somefile.fleah" 08:48:02 We lost a lot of good code that we had been working on, that he didn't have any backups of (that weren't in his home dir...) 08:48:40 --- join: laptop__ (laptop@193.61.120.149) joined #osdev 08:48:58 watcha! :) 08:51:35 --- quit: ravelo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:03:28 --- join: kdehl (~madman@h185n2fls33o877.telia.com) joined #osdev 09:08:39 that sounds cool smari :) 09:12:59 --- quit: draq (Remote closed the connection) 09:13:17 rm -rf can be very dangerous!!! 09:14:50 indeed. :) 09:33:46 that's why people shouldn't have keyboards connected to their computers. 09:49:27 (some don't seem to have brains connected to their bodies, either) 10:03:14 I tought it's connected to the brain stem 10:03:44 which is often found hanging loose away from the body? 10:04:48 YES! 10:05:11 isn't it? 10:05:30 as you wish, Sir 10:05:56 * Rico wishes the brain stem is often found hanging loose away from the body. 10:06:16 --- nick: minddog_ -> minddog 10:25:12 --- quit: laptop__ () 10:26:52 kdehl 10:28:10 --- quit: anon () 10:33:46 if i had my interrupts disabled in ring 0, wont the interrupts fire if i enable them in ring 3? 10:33:57 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-189-64.phnet.fi) joined #osdev 10:34:00 after i switch from ring0 to ring3, i.e 10:34:03 murrrrr 10:34:18 hey morrrrrrs 10:36:09 --- quit: gfafgawrg ("Fhtagn-Nagh Yog Sothoth") 10:39:23 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@p508C73C7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 10:43:21 i suppose it shouldnt matter where i enable interrupts from.. ring0 or ring3. but cant a ring3 process say asm("cli") too? will that disable all the interrupts? oh. guess its disabled only when that process is active? 10:43:53 i need a simpler life 10:43:54 --- quit: wcstok (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:43:54 --- quit: wli (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:44:12 --- join: wcstok (jwhite@cse-old.unl.edu) joined #osdev 10:44:12 --- join: wli (wli@holomorphy.com) joined #osdev 10:45:01 mors: cli shouldn't be allowed in ring 3 10:45:18 oh k 10:45:18 I think 10:45:38 I'd check the manual for you, but I am too tired to get up from my chair :) 10:45:50 :) 10:46:07 --- join: krish (~krish@219.65.121.46) joined #osdev 10:47:27 hmm. atleast a simple main(){ asm("cli"); } wouldnt run , though it compiles 10:47:36 how to change the font (using lookup table ) how to create our own? 10:49:55 --- join: witten (~witten@adsl-gte-la-216-86-199-140.mminternet.com) joined #osdev 10:50:36 hmm.. I have friends in madras.. you a student? krish 10:50:56 yah 10:51:00 where? 10:51:07 do ya study 10:51:17 srm valliammai engg college 10:51:24 hmmkay 10:51:27 btech it 10:51:39 can U help me plz 10:51:39 i was expecting an IIT, minimum :) 10:51:49 no. i dont know 10:52:12 doing some kinda project? 10:52:29 just for fun 10:52:36 ok 10:57:00 --- quit: krish (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:57:00 --- quit: crg_ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:57:01 --- quit: cookin (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:57:24 --- join: krish (~krish@219.65.121.46) joined #osdev 10:57:24 --- join: crg_ (crg@lagoon.freebsd.lublin.pl) joined #osdev 10:57:24 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@h156n1c1o1044.bredband.skanova.com) joined #osdev 10:58:20 --- join: jrydberg_ (~jrydberg@h156n1c1o1044.bredband.skanova.com) joined #osdev 10:58:35 vat happened 2 freenode guys 10:58:58 what makes you ask that? 10:59:29 --- quit: cookin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:00:18 you people quit suddenly 11:00:44 thats also known as a netsplit 11:00:59 i c 11:01:10 mors: of course the main(){ asm("cli"); } will compile, it will just result in a runtime error. 11:01:25 ring 3 isn't allowed to do a cli command. 11:01:28 yeah. more like a coredump 11:01:30 okay.. 11:01:40 how about doing a sti in ring 3? 11:01:46 neither 11:01:56 oh.. 11:02:04 check the manual, it says that those command and many others are only allowed in ring 0 11:02:21 so if i disable interrupts in ring0 , switch to ring3 and enable interrupts? 11:02:23 for example, you can't load and store crx registers in ring 3 11:02:32 that wont work, i guess... that isnt working either! 11:02:39 ohkay.. 11:02:40 enabling interrupts won't work then 11:02:49 it will result in a coredump. 11:03:06 try it on linux or windows or something 11:03:10 bochs gave me [CPU ] call_protected: type = 11 11:03:36 lemme check the manual to be sure what it does. 11:03:48 which manual? intel? 11:03:51 or bochs? 11:04:45 krish: its a wonderful event in which we see you guys leavin and joining back and you guys see us as leaving and joining back. you will see more of it 11:05:18 am new to this 11:05:41 i can see that 11:05:51 intel manual 2 11:05:56 ok 11:06:13 have you seen that bochs message before? 11:06:40 am a real mode child 2 switch to pmode what are all the thing should i know? 11:07:35 if the CPL is bigger than the IOPL, then the cli instruction will produce a General Protection fault. 11:08:34 --- join: pr1 (~pr1@L0292P19.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #osdev 11:09:21 what happens if i set the IF flag in eflags when i switch to ring3? int disabled in ring0 before i switched 11:09:35 is that equivalent to a cli instruction? 11:10:02 mors: if you _set_ it, then it enables interrupts 11:10:24 hmm. equivalent to a sti, then 11:10:29 yes 11:10:58 mors: that works if you set the eflags field of a tss, I've not tried doing it manually 11:11:23 hmm. my ring3 eflags is 0x3202 11:11:33 so that has IF set 11:11:49 "that works" << what works? 11:12:16 that! 11:12:24 * mors spanks mur :P 11:13:04 was that offensive? mur :) 11:13:48 mur and mors is one person 11:14:06 yea. one soul in two bodies 11:14:14 or is it one body and two souls 11:14:16 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:14:16 >:) 11:14:23 eww 11:14:26 two bodies and one soul 11:14:33 ah. better 11:14:44 mors: "that" = setting the correct bit in eflags 11:14:45 :) 11:14:56 oh :) 11:14:59 when two souls are trapped in one body, then what if one wants to masturbate and the other doesn't? 11:15:14 * mors quits thinkin about such scenarios 11:15:27 why make life complicated.. i think i will go and read more on protection 11:15:47 so you imply that is did think about it before ("quits thinking")? 11:16:05 is = you 11:16:18 and more such things.. notice the 'eww' earlier :P 11:16:21 anyway. laterzz 11:16:31 bye honey! 11:16:40 :P 11:16:45 come back when you have a stable protected mode os 11:17:13 i wish and dearly hope that it happens soon 11:17:24 now youve inspired me.. guess this weekend is for osdev! 11:18:16 mors: monolith or micro? 11:18:17 --- quit: file (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:18:28 mors: unix like or non-unix like? 11:18:49 how about a simple, hobby , monolithic, educational OS :P 11:19:02 forget unix like or not.. havent even thought about that 11:19:02 heh 11:19:10 heh 11:19:26 graphical or text based? 11:19:36 cya rico :P 11:19:40 bye mors 11:21:46 c or asm? 11:21:51 !!! 11:21:53 * Rico hides 11:22:35 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 11:27:39 --- join: pavlovski (~tim@host217-44-188-189.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) joined #osdev 11:29:26 --- join: file (file@mctn1-2685.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 11:30:26 * pavlovski compiles Quake 2.NET 11:31:12 huh? it's full of .C files 11:31:39 --- quit: krish (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:35:44 --- join: Csick (Pdf@c-914272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 11:43:40 quake 2.net? 11:43:50 is it open source? 11:44:08 .NOT is fancy name for byte code inside execs 11:44:19 well, yes, otherwise I couldn't compile it 11:44:20 not is javaish with interpreter 11:44:38 it's all JIT compiled 11:44:39 http://www.vertigosoftware.com/Quake2.htm 11:44:54 i am not interested in such games 11:44:57 but thank you anyways 11:44:59 you can switch to Disassembly mode in the debugger, and you'll see x86 machine code 11:45:07 no, but it's interesting that somebody has ported it to .NE 11:45:08 T 11:45:12 well unless i want to hack its graphics for propaganda purposes ;) 11:45:46 quake with bush blair and berulusconi figures might be interesting 11:45:57 especially if you hunted them in buckingham palace or white house 11:46:33 heh 12:13:30 --- join: Dr_Evil (DSLflat@p508FDAE6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 12:21:16 --- join: Kurt (~kmw@oc-nas-11-s228.cinergycom.net) joined #osdev 12:30:21 --- join: witten (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 12:32:02 Freakin' heatwave! 12:32:13 Being indoors is a good way of committing suicide. 12:32:19 Unless one has good air conditioning. 12:47:03 how warm is it? 13:17:12 --- quit: Dr_Evil (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:23:47 --- join: redblue (star@ppp030.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 13:27:26 --- quit: Aardappel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:37:58 --- join: gfafgawrg (~gfafgawrg@213-35-166-216-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee) joined #osdev 13:38:44 --- nick: Ishq -> MoneyCat 13:42:36 --- quit: crg_ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13:43:04 --- join: crg_ (crg@lagoon.freebsd.lublin.pl) joined #osdev 13:44:48 --- join: Dr_Evil (DSLflat@p508FDAE6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 13:56:12 --- join: df (~yakumo@host81-132-107-54.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 13:59:58 --- quit: Kurt ("Connection reset by ear") 14:18:41 --- join: laptop__ (cray@82-37-104-36.cable.ubr02.sand.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 14:18:58 hi ppl 14:19:18 http://www.fordax.com/os/publish.htm 14:19:26 hi laptop__ 14:19:47 some info please take a look and comment 14:19:53 if u find mistakes let me know 14:19:57 hi pavlovski 14:20:02 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:20:45 cool page 14:20:46 eves 14:21:05 pavlovski: thanks 14:21:29 yeah gonna work on making it into a nice little document on os development 14:22:02 but as u know there is too much info and i can only write so much! 14:22:13 that's right 14:23:18 but i am hoping to finish it off, just put it up so ppl could see and if there are any mistakes they could let me know 14:26:07 pavlovski: what do u reckon of the info? 14:26:14 looks pretty useful 14:26:23 covers some basic hardware stuff that not many pages do 14:26:53 yeah, took me ages getting and writing some of the real basic info 14:27:07 i wrote that page as part of my project at uni 14:28:14 where u from pavlovski 14:28:58 UK 14:29:07 cool im from uk too 14:29:15 oh, where are you? 14:29:20 bham u? 14:29:25 ok 14:29:31 I was at Imperial College until last year 14:29:46 london 14:29:55 ? 14:30:00 yep 14:30:01 ok 14:30:19 u done computing there? 14:30:26 bham = birginham! :) 14:30:36 no, electrical & electronic engineering 14:30:56 pavs a seargant major, so you better watch out 14:31:05 --- join: laptop_ (cray@82-37-104-36.cable.ubr02.sand.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 14:31:10 eheh, not quite :) 14:31:18 ok 14:31:23 birgadier lance corporal 14:31:32 ? 14:31:39 u in the army 14:31:43 yes, TA 14:31:52 TA? 14:31:53 wow cool 14:31:59 teretorial army 14:32:05 yes 14:32:09 brigarier lance corporal :) 14:32:25 they didn't upgrade me to that because i was not really accepting all army practses 14:32:30 otherwise they woud have upgraded me :) 14:32:47 so i guess the picked the upgraded randomly :) 14:32:59 excluding me and the another one 14:33:15 ok ppl bye (off to watch patriek kielty) http://www.fordax.com/os/publish.htm 14:34:20 :) 14:34:26 --- quit: laptop_ (Client Quit) 14:34:45 pavlovski want a little quiz? 14:34:52 ok 14:35:47 trivial pursuit on a friday night? 14:35:50 heh 14:35:54 no 14:35:57 pub quiz! 14:35:57 instruction: 14:36:05 i send you mp3 audio file 14:36:08 in not english 14:36:15 and then you try to write one word 14:36:25 how you woudl write it. no space allowed! 14:36:42 liek you woudl write it in your native language :) 14:36:46 hrm, ok 14:37:01 so you coudl use the word in presentation with large audience 14:38:16 i'll put it to female voice so you will have more pleasant time listening to it :) 14:39:10 mur: You can also try to spell english correctly. 14:39:27 how about running english words into 1 long word? 14:39:34 or does that break the rules? 14:39:57 because of pronounciation rules it might make people do mistakes 14:40:04 okay, whom shall i dcc it? 14:40:22 --- join: roxfan (dunno@87.54-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #osdev 14:40:35 roxfan is interested in it, mur. 14:40:41 no dcc for me, web site? 14:40:49 ok 14:40:52 i'll put it to web 14:41:09 "it"? 14:41:28 roxfan: sex ;) 14:41:45 um yeah i guess 14:41:48 a quiz 14:41:54 but i didn't come here for that 14:42:02 oh? 14:42:18 roxfan you need to write word like you woudl spell it. no spaces allowed. you will need to pronounce the word in conference with audience of 2000 people! EEEK 14:42:18 :) 14:42:37 "woudl"? 14:43:05 it is not english word :) 14:43:11 sounds finnish to me 14:43:25 haha 14:43:29 no files yet even :) 14:43:30 what are you talking about anyway? 14:43:42 like absolut wodka... maybe its woudl midori 14:44:16 mur: I don't understand at all what you are trying to accomplish. 14:44:34 please explain it clearly 14:44:42 Rico dont understand just follow my orders, mister >:) 14:46:18 http://murr.host.sk/tmp/ nice error page 14:46:32 anyone, anyone knows arm instructions? 14:46:36 *anyway 14:46:47 df ;) 14:47:38 can i encode "mov r0, #1252" in one instruction? 14:47:55 don't think so 14:47:59 what architecture? 14:48:01 --- quit: laptop__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:48:05 arm 14:48:09 leg 14:48:16 I don't think you can use any literal constants directly 14:48:32 except IIRC constants that you can form from 8 bits + shift and/or rotate 14:48:45 yes you can, but only under certain circumstances 14:48:53 that's what I mean 14:51:37 yeah it has 9 bits... 14:52:08 am I right in saying it's got 9 bits, plus a few bits for shift and rotate? 14:52:37 I tought it has 8 bits and 4 bits for shift and/or rotate. 14:52:41 well, i need to patch "mov r0, #0" to put 1252 in r0 instead, any ideas? 14:53:00 does your assembler have a macro for this? 14:53:05 I remember the one I used does 14:53:15 mine did too 14:53:34 * pavlovski tries to find it 14:53:41 * Rico just waits 14:54:03 i have a binary, i need to patch it in place 14:54:15 oh 14:54:25 my assembler has the ADR macro 14:54:37 which IIRC does some clever PC-relative trickery to get an addres 14:54:50 or you could just store that number as a constant somewhere and load it from there 14:55:22 it has a fixed sized instruction set :) 14:55:53 yeah, but the offset is limited too... i don't have any free space in code seg around that place... 14:57:00 I want a nice system with an arm processor I can develop an os for, any suggestions? 14:57:41 Gameboy Advance 14:57:45 though it doesn't have an MMU 14:57:54 pocket pc maybe 14:58:07 the Sharp Zaurus is ARM 14:58:09 or palm 14:58:21 some palms are ARM afaik 15:00:07 okay, maybe there's some nice doc with explanation of instruction format? 15:00:22 try the Intel web site 15:00:30 I got various StrongARM docs from there 15:00:50 yeah i know, but it's kinda hard to find the one i need 15:00:56 there's just too much of them 15:03:16 well, what CPU are you targetting 15:03:17 ? 15:04:16 --- quit: Csick ("Fuck off!!!") 15:04:17 any arm will do 15:04:43 I found an SA-1100 doc pretty easily 15:04:49 278240.pdf 15:05:47 hmm 15:09:04 i don't see instruction format in it... only for coprocessor 15:10:20 ok, there's only a reference to it from section 4.1 15:10:38 you need "ARM Architecture Reference, 28-July-1995" :) 15:12:29 i get only hits for books 15:14:08 oh looks like i've found it 15:14:26 http://zap.ee.unsw.edu.au/elec2041-cdrom/reference/arm-architecture-reference.pdf 15:14:38 12 megs o.O 15:15:11 --- quit: pr1 ("Client Exiting") 15:15:12 --- join: laptop__ (cray@82-37-104-36.cable.ubr02.sand.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 15:15:36 --- quit: laptop__ (Client Quit) 15:20:33 --- quit: lynx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:20:56 --- quit: df ("syntax: ja matte ne!") 15:22:46 --- join: lynx (~lodsb@pD9E63D03.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 15:31:49 --- join: kyelewis (~kye@dsl-214.64.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) joined #osdev 15:32:10 *poke* 15:36:02 coma! 15:36:04 comanians! 15:36:07 --- quit: pavlovski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:36:12 comedians! 15:36:26 what's up kye? 15:36:39 kyelewis look what i made for you http://murr.host.sk/this/does/not/exists?so_it_is_404_page! 15:37:29 hmm? 15:37:38 money! 15:37:42 whats up? 15:38:02 finally got started on some osdev, heh 15:38:16 is pavloskii = quanits 15:38:19 err quantis 15:38:26 no 15:38:29 hmm 15:39:28 you got a new site? 15:39:42 mur: fabulous ;) 15:39:56 only new 404 15:39:58 page 15:40:06 mur: and you even managed to find out that I was using Opera 7.11... you must feel so happy 15:40:16 bleh opera 7.11 is crash city 15:41:09 you even found my IP! WOW! ... oh wait... that's the same IP address that's all over the records for lewislan.id.au anyway... ;) 15:41:17 hah 15:41:22 i am not storing them anywhere 15:41:31 sure 15:41:55 mur is an evil hacker! 15:42:01 oh... i did mention that the machine running Opera 7.11 is actually inside the network, and gives you no clue as to what my server actually runs ;) 15:42:02 hax0r! 15:42:02 ban him from this channel! 15:42:12 heh 15:42:28 * MoneyCat sets mode +b mur 15:42:29 there you go 15:42:35 as if i would trust windows xp as a server 15:42:38 MoneyCat: heh 15:42:41 is it possible to see the network topology behind a NAT enabled network? 15:45:03 --- quit: Dr_Evil (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:47:53 * mur sets mode +sexy MoneyCat 15:47:59 heh 15:49:59 1 15:50:31 * Rico sets mode -sexy mur 15:51:00 * mur sets mode +no_modesets Rico 15:51:18 * Rico tries to set modes on mur, but fails doing so. 15:51:33 sexy geeks dont exist :P 15:51:45 * Rico shouts angry at geist 15:52:29 * kyelewis sets mode #osdev +shut_up 15:52:32 ;) 15:52:47 * MoneyCat sets mode -shut_up 15:52:50 >:) 15:53:07 * kyelewis sets mode #osdev +argh 15:53:19 --- join: Dr_Evil (DSLflat@p508FDAE6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 15:53:33 http://murr.host.sk/network_hack_user?rico&IRC >:) 15:54:42 hm 15:54:51 ? 15:54:53 its the same 404 page :) 15:55:23 mail page? 15:55:36 'return to the mail page' 15:55:55 hah you could have 404 for general usage and have index.php for introduction page 15:55:59 and then use any url you want :) 15:57:35 e.g. dictionary.host.xx/en/fr?operating%20system 15:57:35 howdy folks, what's up? 15:57:39 hey geist! 15:57:42 heya 15:57:55 geist: just playing around with modes ;) 15:57:56 heh 15:58:13 k 15:58:51 --- join: DanRF (~daniel@host217-42-31-138.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined #osdev 15:59:54 --- nick: DanRF -> DRF 16:00:15 http://bash.org/?99060 16:01:41 * DRF feels evil after reclaiming his nick using nickserv. :-S 16:01:54 from someone else? 16:02:00 did you send them a message first? 16:02:42 I'm to scared to face them. 16:02:46 lol 16:04:10 Is the IRC server case sensitive? 16:05:26 no 16:06:00 Ah, I always thought it was. Thought it strange that the whowas command was the previous user was DrF. 16:06:33 did you told him? 16:07:25 I forgot. Nickserv kinda rushed me. 16:08:00 I tried to register and it started telling me what to do and stuff. (Ok ok aso I'm just a coward) 16:09:45 Anyone heard of a osdev channel on a server called wyldryde.net? It's advertised on bona fide osdev website and never heard of it before. 16:10:08 mur: I know I forgot that I could msg him and now I feel really guilty. :-S 16:10:23 :P 16:10:35 did you whois him? 16:10:45 Well whowas 16:10:54 good job drf 16:11:00 you really screwed the pooch on that one 16:11:07 you should be proud of messing that up 16:11:23 * DRF goes sits in the corner facing the wall 16:11:48 * kyelewis walks up to DRF and says "it's ok... just ignore those mean mean people... it's not your fault" 16:12:10 *mutters* mean unforgiving teacher geist. :-P 16:13:39 ask ops to give his information and go apogolise if you wish to.. 16:14:07 ops? How does one go about doing that 16:14:14 haha, french ban email 16:14:20 er the word 'email' 16:14:27 heh 16:14:28 'courriel' 16:14:28 lol why? 16:14:33 they always do that 16:15:07 they have been at it for years, trying to keep non french words from entering the language 16:15:31 what's the french word for email then? 16:15:35 how to handle computers: http://bash.org/?5304 16:15:47 courrier electronique 16:15:54 There has to be a time before the french language where all the words come from else where. 16:15:56 *sigh* 16:16:02 so they invented a new word, 'courriel' to try to standardize on that 16:16:07 instead of folks saying 'email' 16:16:55 a lot of modern inventions, lots of computer related stuff, just ends up being the english word in other languages 16:17:25 but the french have been trying to avoid that for a long time, so they tend to try to standardize on the french equivalent 16:17:36 hah 16:17:41 finnish has words for all the new inventions 16:17:43 mur: Sound like a decent philosophy on computers. They annoy you you press the off button lol 16:17:56 heh 16:18:01 finnish have always have scientifical vocabulary 16:18:36 finnish may do the same thing, but no one cares about them. :) 16:33:46 is ^ valid in urls? 16:34:08 I've never seen it in a URL 16:34:16 Unsure 16:34:41 %5e should work 16:35:23 well i coudl replace ^with ~ if it does not work 16:36:40 well it belongs to 7 bit ascii, the chances are good that it will work without problems when using it ^ 16:37:01 * mur is making 404 calculator :) 16:40:44 Why not just enter the URL into a web browser and see if it works or not lol 16:44:07 --- join: Brainix (~rajiv@cs6625167-251.austin.rr.com) joined #osdev 16:45:24 Hello, all. It's me, DorkPunk (if anybody remembers). 16:46:26 Well name rings a bell. Hi 16:46:35 --- quit: MoneyCat ("Sic Sempere Tyrannis!") 16:46:39 How are you, DRF? 16:48:19 Not bad thanks. Yourself 16:48:25 Why the change of nick? 16:48:37 DRF - Well, my nick is now the name of my project. :-) 16:48:54 DRF - Things going ok here, too. Just working on filesystem code at the moment. A device driver interface. 16:51:29 How si the OS coming along? 16:51:39 Do give us all the jucy details lol 16:52:09 LoL! 16:52:37 Well, I'm very happy with the memory management. The way it handles virtual address spaces. 16:52:51 I'm also happy with the kmalloc() and malloc() schemes. 16:52:59 And very simple interrupt and IRQ schemes. 16:53:18 The multitasking is rudimentary, and nowhere near complete. 16:53:35 I've just barely started on the filesystem. 16:54:02 I've written a few device drivers. A simple terminal driver, and a floppy driver. They work well. But since I don't have a device driver interface yet, they're not complete either. Everything is just kind of "hard wired." 16:54:24 But once I've gotten my filesystem, I'm going to rewrite those drivers. Shouldn't be hard at all though. I should be able to re-use every line of code. 16:55:13 It was originally designed with the goal of being a microkernel, but it seems as though monolithic kernels are simpler, as they do not have the overhead of message-passing code. So I'm considering just building an extremely tiny, simple, monolithic kernel. 16:55:39 Own fs or using FAT/ext2? 16:55:43 EXT2. 16:55:55 I don't know nearly enough about filesystem principles to design my own filesystem. 16:56:12 cool 16:56:29 Basically, I just want a complete EXT2 implementation, and I want the filesystem to handle ELF loading, and also device drivers. That's all. Something very simple. 16:56:32 Nothing like VFS in Linux. 16:56:34 remember, you can still stick most of the user related stuff in user space, if you really like the micro idea 16:56:47 ie, have a kernel that does drivers, fs, mm, sched 16:56:51 and everything else above it 16:56:53 geist - Very true. 16:56:56 or move the fs out, etc 16:57:01 geist - That's kind of what I had in mine. 16:57:04 "mind," rather. 16:57:11 it's all a bunch of seperate little choices, you can do as much of the micro or mono as you'd like 16:57:39 I've bounced back and forth, the very in micro thing I did was put my net stack in the kernel 16:57:47 geist - No matter what, the memory management and the task management will remain in the kernel itself. And probably interrupts and IRQs, and even the timer chip driver. 16:57:51 but it's really hard to do kernel based network fs's with it outside 16:58:12 geist - I bet. 16:58:28 we had this problem at Be for a long time, and eventually just rewrote the net stack as an in kernel module 16:58:30 geist - Thankfully, I am not as ambitious as you, and never plan on implementing any filesystem other than EXT2, and locally at that. LoL 16:58:47 Filesystems just hurt my head. 16:58:52 I know how easy it is to get dragged into doing the easy option lol ;) 16:58:55 they do 16:59:17 dirty little secret: the more I think about it the more I'm thinking of moving the gui code into the kernel 16:59:21 it really solves a bunch of problems 16:59:28 geist - LoL! 17:00:04 geist - I'll probably never even write a GUI. But that's ok, because my kernel will be POSIX conformant, so X *should* be very easy to port. Even though I hate X. 17:00:23 The only components that I'm really interested in writing are the kernel itself, and the compiler. 17:01:02 yep 17:01:18 geist - Is your kernel POSIX conformant? 17:02:12 not really 17:02:19 the world has enough posix os's 17:02:30 though I've started to see the value of it 17:02:38 and am slowly making it closer and closer 17:03:01 for the most part it's pretty close though, but the big thing I haven't done that's very kernel related is posix signals and fork() 17:03:01 geist - Yeah, same here. I'll probably die before I'm 200 years old. So I don't have enough time to write everything from scratch. ;-) 17:03:06 geist: All your apps made speceificly for NewOS then no ports? 17:03:24 geist - Yeah, I haven't done signals either. 17:03:31 DRF: yeah, though a good portion of libc is done, so you can port libc apps 17:03:52 geist - Do you have a text editor and compiler that run under NewOS? 17:04:03 doing a posix os is not that hard, but it just doesn't seem that fun 17:04:15 geist - Really? It's *extremely* hard for me. :-\ 17:04:20 if I just set out to make one, it makes things somewhat simpler, since you have a blueprint to follow 17:04:33 nah, I've seen it done many times before 17:04:37 but it's no fun 17:05:03 Brainix: nah, it's not that far along yet. it's mature enough to support that stuff, but I just haven't spent much time outside of the kernel 17:05:18 I'm a kernel hacker, I'd rather waste my time writing drivers or porting to different cpus than write apps and libs 17:05:24 geist - Cool. I jsut thought it would be nice to develop natively. :-) 17:05:45 I could probably port gcc when I get a native filesystem working 17:05:54 geist - EXT2? 17:05:56 but I need a good disk driver and change the bootloader, etc 17:06:09 the filesystem is the easy part, the complications that come as a result of it are harder 17:06:23 ie, now I can't just boot it from a floppy, redo from start every time I make a change, etc 17:06:51 I would always try to make OS's at least slightly compatible with other OS standards just so I don't have to spend all my time writing apps to make it usable. 17:06:57 geist - Did you write your own bootloader? 17:07:18 sort of. the super initial bootsector I took from somewhere else 17:07:27 it's been modified since then so much it's not the same 17:07:35 but the bulk of the booting code is the second stage 17:07:41 I just use GRUB. 17:07:44 sets up the mmu, boots the other cpus, loads the kernel, etc 17:07:57 i started writing newos long before grub was big 17:08:15 and boot it on multiple cpu architectures, so grub isn't that interesting to me 17:08:32 otherwise yeah I'd just recommend using grub 17:08:39 and I might switch to it when I start hard drive booting 17:08:48 I just like GRUB because it autodetects RAM, and switches to protected mode before even loading the kernel. 17:08:49 I must have been strange because I kinda liked playing around with bootloader code. Even if much of it is the same for every bootloader. 17:08:56 Headaches that otherwise I'd have to deal with. 17:09:03 A20 looks like a pain, etc. LoL 17:09:17 --- join: MoneyCat (Ishq@frm-64-4-101-254.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 17:09:54 Also, GRUB can load modules, which was extremely important to me in the beginning, when I thought I was building a microkernel. 17:10:04 right 17:10:08 Doesn't really matter at all to me now, though. 17:10:27 that's useful, and I'll have to write something like that when I start loading from a hard disk 17:10:34 geist - Yeah. 17:12:01 * debug never got the multiboot header to work, hence no GRUB 17:12:16 debug - GRUB comes with a tiny example kernel. 17:12:25 debug - That was actually the first version of Brainix. ;-) 17:12:26 does it use multiboot? 17:12:40 debug - The example kernel? Yes. The point of it is to illustrate how to use Multiboot. 17:12:45 ok 17:12:52 Basically, it just boots, prints some stuff to the screen, and halts. 17:13:01 Maybe 100 lines of code, total. 17:13:06 I have no machine with grub right now anyway, but I'll check it out next time if I remember 17:13:14 debug - You can install it to a floppy. 17:13:28 You don't need GRUB installed on your hard drive to use it. 17:13:39 well, on floppies I use my other boot code derived from obsd, so I have no problems there 17:13:47 debug - Cool. 17:14:35 --- join: oink_ (ziga@phear.org) joined #osdev 17:14:53 * debug just had an interesting discussion with a neighbour regarding migration of processes in a cluster 17:15:44 --- quit: oink (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:16:31 debug - I wish I had neighbors like yours! LoL 17:16:49 Most of my conversations with my neighbors involve my asking them to kindly remove their beer bottles from the street. 17:17:02 :) 17:17:11 there has been accident in placing you to world 17:17:13 I took up coding again a few days ago 17:17:27 they accidentally placed you to drunkard area 17:17:37 mur - Heh heh. 17:18:45 --- quit: DRF (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: DF!~daniel@host217-42-31-138.range217-42.btcentralplus.com))) 17:19:03 --- join: DRF (~daniel@host217-42-31-138.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined #osdev 17:19:22 --- quit: gab (Remote closed the connection) 17:31:23 --- quit: Brainix ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Nintendo 64 today!") 17:42:27 --- join: zwane_ (User-10585@modemcable204.207-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 17:44:49 --- quit: mur ("goodd night") 18:17:49 --- join: gab (~prfalken@gaia.chx-labs.org) joined #osdev 18:21:30 --- quit: Dr_Evil () 18:21:51 --- quit: lynx (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:21:51 --- quit: msa_ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:21:53 --- quit: debug ("Client Exiting") 18:22:34 --- join: msa_ (~msa@APuteaux-115-1-18-109.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 18:22:41 --- join: lynx (~lodsb@pD9E63D03.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 18:23:59 Hey lynx 18:24:11 hey :) 18:24:12 sup? 18:27:20 Not bad yourself? 18:27:46 drunken 18:27:49 drunk 18:27:51 --- quit: msa_ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:28:02 well, i am looking through the various irc channels i am in 18:28:04 so well 18:28:08 wasting time as always 18:29:17 --- join: msa_ (~msa@APuteaux-115-1-18-109.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 18:31:29 Ah, I see 18:31:51 Sorry. I'm chatting in a number of places so a slight delayed conversation lol 18:32:06 as always 18:32:09 hrm.. 18:32:27 Hey I'm not as bad as all that am I? 18:32:41 * lynx shrugs 18:32:48 DRf :any fancy projects atm? 18:33:58 Not really 18:34:26 Not got any time thats the problem. You still playing with hardware and drivers for? (music stuff) 18:35:25 ye 18:35:31 i am working on dev tools atm 18:35:34 like a debug shell 18:35:45 and also a shell for avr microcortrollers via rc232 18:35:50 Ah, sounds interesting. What system is this for? 18:36:09 Wow, lots of letters that I have no idea what they mean 18:37:04 AVR = atmel microcontroller series 18:37:09 in a risc like design 18:37:14 err 18:37:23 rs232 ? 18:37:27 rc232? 18:37:30 i mean the serial port 18:38:01 Ah I get you 18:38:24 so welle 18:38:33 i might look into creating a simple box, too 18:38:36 Is this a custom made item of hardware? 18:38:45 for the first, after that i will go to university anyway 18:38:52 DRF: custom made? 18:39:06 DRF: no it can be bought anywhere, it is prety popular 18:39:14 Ah I see 18:40:38 Have you stopped the OSdev side and just gone to low level programming? 18:42:20 yeha well 18:42:34 osdev is broing , since you need many ppl and the right spirit and motivation 18:42:50 you hardly have any ppl being that including being ckilled 18:42:56 skilled 18:44:36 Indeed 18:44:53 But it's a good way to learn about the low level basics of comps 18:47:58 --- join: I440r (~x@dialup-67.29.214.160.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 18:50:06 yep 18:50:28 on the other hand i am also digging into c mroe 18:50:33 more 18:50:35 at the moemnt at least 18:51:39 I always wished that I could get round to learning more about the hardware and drivers in part. 18:51:54 (Well not always and not a huge wish but still) 18:53:06 well AVr stuff is pretty cheap 18:53:13 i got a development srt for 90e 18:53:19 and there are cheaper ones around 18:54:32 Is it all music specific stuff? (Or am I getting confuzzled) 18:54:36 --- quit: msa_ (Remote closed the connection) 18:59:14 no 18:59:31 it is a simple cpu+ram+io+flash+othergoodies in one chip 18:59:47 In one chip! 18:59:47 my project atm is the dev stuff for my devices but also KITTY = my synth 18:59:55 yeagh 18:59:59 and the chip is like 9e 19:00:08 depending on the stuff which is implemented 19:00:13 and one mips per mhz 19:00:16 up to 16mhz atm 19:00:54 Wow, I'll have to look into it as I wanted to get into the microprocessor stuff more at one point. 19:01:45 --- quit: kyelewis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:01:46 ;) 19:01:51 how old are you afauin? 19:02:20 Got a URL or is it pretty certain to appear if I search for AVr microprocessor? 19:03:05 Me? I'm 18. 19 in sept. 19:04:06 well, the net is fuull of avr stuff 19:04:18 there are mp3 player powered by AVRs etc 19:05:23 Have you had to wire the buses yourself in your kit? (Is a little confused) 19:06:22 not, not in my dev kit 19:06:30 but my own shit will require it 19:06:38 i want to work on my kitty-synmth 19:06:50 and afterwards on a contiki- powered computer 19:07:04 How do you program it, through a serial port style link or something? 19:10:04 well, there are severla programmers around 19:10:08 i am using the official one 19:10:22 but there is software to just wire it up to the parellelport 19:11:44 Does your kit come with a book/docs at all? 19:14:18 he sort of silly thing I do is find the chip is so cheap go order that then relise I have no idea how to use it or what to do with it. (And make a mess trying to wire it up for the next year lol) 19:14:20 --- quit: I440r () 19:30:35 --- join: redblue (star@ppp042.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 19:34:19 hrm 19:34:28 DRF: look for the STK500 19:35:13 lol, I'm not annoying you with all the questions am I lynx lol 19:35:13 --- quit: witten (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:35:20 no 19:35:23 but i am going to bed 19:35:30 i have to go to my gf's birthday party 19:35:43 and i usually get up at 1500 and i have to be there at 1400 19:35:43 :P 19:35:44 Ah. Ok. Free party food :-D lol 19:35:51 and booze! 19:36:00 Need to be up for that then lol 19:36:10 :P 19:37:32 Well all this advice could be helpful. I was last month reading a book from the 80's on microprocessor programming. 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