00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/03.10.31 00:24:44 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 00:30:29 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:39:13 --- join: Apophis (~kn64@ppp126-254.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net) joined #osdev 01:04:36 --- quit: Apophis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:33:01 --- join: wl (philipp@p50865C05.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 01:36:45 --- join: Mathis_ (~anyone1@pD9EABD01.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 01:36:59 hi 01:37:29 hey :) 01:37:36 hey 01:37:49 Mathis_: is it ok if i put you in the musical? 01:37:50 :) 01:38:02 what musical? 01:38:12 http://www.lewislan.id.au/osdevmusical.html that one 01:39:04 checking, wait please... 01:39:10 lol 01:39:18 * kyelewis waits :) 01:45:58 done 01:47:00 well, access granted. 01:47:26 lol 01:57:17 had to fill up the water in my water-cooling system 01:58:16 :) 02:00:50 the figure 'geist' in your musical does match to air 02:01:48 heh 02:01:55 :P 02:06:54 --- join: kernel-panic (~panic@ANice-205-1-1-236.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 02:07:13 morning 02:07:23 hey 02:07:41 mur: have any ideas for the musical; i want to work on more over the long weekend 02:07:49 mur: hows that dead-end job coming along? :) 02:07:53 lol 02:08:01 dead-end job? 02:08:03 hey air :P 02:08:55 hello all :) 02:09:09 heya kernel-panic 02:09:16 what a nice family we have together here at once :) 02:09:38 i shoudl be going in few mins (20) 02:09:44 noooo :P 02:09:48 so do you have any ideas? 02:09:49 :P 02:10:52 you need fresh air 02:11:12 lol 02:11:24 but air isn't fresh :) 02:11:40 * kyelewis looks at air 02:11:42 :) 02:13:47 kyelewis: do you have one member in your family with name Parker? ;-) 02:13:54 lol 02:14:00 sorry, but no :) 02:14:16 have you ever considered becoming parker's? 02:14:31 uh... no.. not really :P 02:14:42 cool 02:14:45 where are you going with this? :PO 02:14:55 s/P0/P/ 02:15:42 Parker Lewis, the cool guy from school 02:16:03 i know... i just wondered where mur was going with his question :P 02:16:40 kyelewis: "P0" string not found 02:16:54 *sigh* 02:16:56 :P 02:25:10 time to go working 02:25:17 :/ 02:25:18 --- nick: Mathis_ -> Mathis|work 02:25:22 cya 02:25:38 mur: if you do have any legitimate ideas anyway, send them to osdevmusical@kts.id.au 02:27:08 or anyone else for that matter 02:27:53 hmm? 02:27:55 MUSica? 02:27:57 l 02:28:12 eh? 02:59:47 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FD84B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 03:17:59 --- join: Dr_Evil (DSLflat@p508FDCF4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 03:21:12 --- join: MoodHugs (~je@vickesh01-6583.tbaytel.net) joined #osdev 03:23:42 if i'm in a 16bit code segment accessing a 32 bit data segment; is the default address size 32bit or 16bit? 03:24:47 --- nick: kyelewis -> kyelewis|afk 03:25:26 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:27:13 --- join: idle (~cookies@208.27.1.190) joined #osdev 03:30:34 the address size is determined by the code segment, I think. 03:30:47 heya cookin 03:30:52 and cya 03:30:53 bbiab 03:32:21 yeah it is, thanks, it must be something else. 03:32:29 my code keeps faulting ;p 03:34:51 --- quit: redblue (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:46:18 why even use 16-bit code? 03:47:36 LOL cuz the procedure copies the code into the 32bit code above 1mb before jmping to it ;p 03:48:22 and i didn't want to have to make an extra selector just to copy the code ;p 04:31:32 --- part: MoodHugs left #osdev 04:37:53 --- join: tttt (~tttt@host81-134-138-173.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 04:47:51 --- quit: tttt ("Leaving") 04:51:31 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FFCCE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:52:09 --- quit: dodo ("BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it.") 05:33:06 --- join: demise (~HjuT@c-b04272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 05:41:02 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:45:10 --- quit: lynx ("Client Exiting") 05:54:03 --- join: tttt (~tttt@host81-134-138-173.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 05:56:46 --- join: eniac (~eniac@210.126-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #osdev 05:58:58 --- quit: tttt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:07:26 --- join: petrusss (~petrusss@h178n2fls31o862.telia.com) joined #osdev 06:08:41 --- join: dresden (~djdresden@ip-wv-68-119-143-145.charterwv.net) joined #osdev 06:09:49 --- quit: demise ("blah..") 06:17:50 wee 06:26:57 --- join: mrMister (~andri@ti122110a080-6601.bb.online.no) joined #osdev 06:35:54 hi 06:36:00 hi 06:36:44 --- join: ToreSB (~tore@062016148138.customer.alfanett.no) joined #osdev 06:41:34 --- join: Prophet_ (~Prophet@pD9E494BD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 06:49:20 --- join: gila (~gila@cc16711-a.delfz1.gr.home.nl) joined #osdev 06:52:15 --- join: Nayxx (Natron@d213-103-97-223.cust.tele2.fr) joined #osdev 06:54:36 :) 06:55:00 i'm actually quite cheerful for having woken up at 0800 lol 06:55:21 got woken up by the "Compiles Done" mp3 playing really loudly lol 07:25:26 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FFCCE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 07:27:53 --- join: osdev (~nick@157.89.71.156) joined #osdev 07:28:05 --- nick: osdev -> dr_watts 07:33:48 --- join: unreal (unreal@unreal.usercloak.freenode) joined #osdev 07:34:07 * unreal kicks Kye 07:41:01 --- join: quantis (quantis@quantis.demon.co.uk) joined #osdev 07:41:35 LBA * sector size = Offset in bytes <- is that correct? 07:41:53 sounds right 07:41:58 smells right 07:42:27 k 07:42:34 * dresden ponders porting ALSA to the kernel 07:43:09 do you know how to translate chs to lba? 07:43:48 no idea :( 07:44:26 l-chs -> lba 07:52:07 apt-cron is nice.. 07:52:20 insane for tracking /unstable tho :) 08:03:31 --- quit: idle (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:14:51 --- join: frank__ (~frank@e211199.upc-e.chello.nl) joined #osdev 08:14:53 hi 08:15:04 hey 08:37:07 --- join: demise (~HjuT@c-b04272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 08:43:09 --- join: peng (xtofu@p107-tnt1.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 08:52:03 http://pengo.org/allhallows_eve.html 08:52:06 good night 08:52:14 night 08:52:44 --- quit: Prophet_ ("#define PROFTPD_MAGIC 0xDEADBEEF") 08:53:53 --- join: Prophet_ (~Prophet@pD9E494BD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 08:57:42 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:00:02 i just got a package from satan.. how cool 09:14:16 --- join: witten (~witten@adsl-gte-la-216-86-199-140.mminternet.com) joined #osdev 09:21:19 --- quit: wl ("Quit") 09:23:37 --- quit: Divine ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 09:24:15 --- join: krish (~krish@219.65.121.1) joined #osdev 09:25:35 --- join: Divine (~john@12-246-112-182.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 09:36:39 --- quit: eniac ("Lost terminal") 09:38:03 --- quit: asm ("bbiaj") 09:38:30 --- join: asm (~asm@dsl-213-023-235-140.arcor-ip.net) joined #osdev 09:42:10 you guys want to know what i look like right now? like Sada in the Ringu movies :) 09:42:29 i look like a homeless person who hasn't shaved in weeks.. hah 09:42:35 i really need to go to walmart and get new razors :) 09:42:59 i just shaved with a crappy one, not good.. but my wig covers it fine :) 09:43:25 heh 09:43:59 too bad i don't have a usb cable for my camera, or i'd show you. 09:44:22 i dont have X right now 09:44:51 oh, aalib? :) 09:44:58 hi evl 09:45:00 elvstone: 09:45:03 hi debug. 09:45:06 yo 09:45:28 partying? 09:46:03 We have to stop talking to debug, he didn't want to come to our party. 09:46:31 oh? well it's quite some distance. 09:46:37 i don't blame him. 09:47:18 hmm 09:47:22 happy halloween :) 09:47:23 elvstone i'll have X working soon 09:48:18 dresden: well, my usb cable is 150 kilometres away, i think that maybe a friend that arrives later will bring his camera. 09:48:27 We gotta get the webcam working... 09:48:34 Hey! Bull has a digital camera with him! 09:48:41 Oh yes... :) 09:48:44 yea.. hm, david, should be be sitting on irc while having a party? 09:48:52 * unreal is away: be back soon, lobbing eggs at the trick-or-treaters I dont like ;) 09:48:52 s/should/should we/ 09:48:54 Yes? 09:49:05 What else do you do? 09:49:06 Hm.. 09:49:10 drink beer? 09:49:20 Bull hasn't arrived yet. When Bull arrives, the party begins. 09:49:22 :) 09:49:26 oh, i see. 09:49:43 * kdehl gives debug a hug and a small kiss 09:49:51 * dresden squeaks 09:50:05 kdehl: there you are! 09:50:15 kdehl: you have to have a webcam 09:51:02 --- join: dengmao (dengmao@0x50a4416d.abnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #osdev 09:54:19 debug: Not yet. Working on it. :) 09:55:22 ugh, this beer is disgusting. 09:55:25 :/ 09:57:22 * debug remembers making mpeg video 09:57:30 heh 09:59:11 Yep. That was one of the coolest things ever! :) 10:01:41 :) 10:01:46 totally unexpected :) 10:10:42 Uh-huh. :) 10:12:25 PING! 10:12:33 PONG! 10:19:33 --- quit: krish (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:20:37 --- quit: demise () 10:22:14 --- join: eniac (~eniac@210.126-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #osdev 10:30:16 hmm need some good mpegs or divx's 10:30:39 --- quit: dresden ("BitchX: the ONLY bug-free client") 10:34:02 --- join: demise (~HjuT@c-b04272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 10:35:53 just when yuou think it safes to sit down and try and start to do soem hacking some bugggers drags youoff to the pyub 10:35:56 arse biscuits..... 10:44:42 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FFCCE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 10:45:40 indeed 10:48:01 hm 10:57:45 --- join: BladE^ (~UNIX@62-101-126-225.fastres.net) joined #osdev 10:57:45 hi 10:59:12 --- quit: lodda () 11:01:05 --- quit: eniac (Remote closed the connection) 11:01:07 --- join: eniac (~eniac@210.126-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #osdev 11:20:07 wb eniac 11:21:52 --- nick: frank__ -> frank 11:27:45 hello 11:27:58 mur, you are mur from sdl? 11:27:59 anyone saw matrix 3 ? 11:28:03 not yet 11:28:07 next week I'll see it 11:28:08 :>> 11:28:10 :)) 11:28:24 have you seen it? 11:28:28 No. 11:28:41 would you like to see it? 11:29:01 I just looked on line, and I saw something, probably a fake one.. 11:29:06 well yeah. 11:29:10 But on the cinema. 11:29:17 Not in some low quality divx.. 11:29:30 oh man, bull (the one with thew camera) is dressed in tiger string.. only tiger string.. you guys are going love the photos :) 11:29:36 mru from sdl? 11:29:39 probably not 11:31:38 I dont like man's in tiger strings.. 11:31:55 neo wears a tiger string in the matrix 3? 11:33:54 lol 11:34:28 neos 11:36:51 --- join: witten_ (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 11:37:53 * file pokes everyone 11:39:07 * mur ignores Commodore basic command "poke" 11:40:25 * debug peeks into the channel 11:41:00 * file is violated 11:41:41 rm file 11:41:50 Permission denied 11:42:01 but you are v iolated 11:42:03 you shoudl crash 11:42:08 and then one can remove you 11:42:43 mur: perhaps file is fault resiliant? 11:43:14 who cares, tmp files will be removed automatically >:) 11:44:19 --- quit: quantis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:00:09 --- join: tttt (~tttt@host81-134-154-237.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 12:11:52 --- quit: tttt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:12:46 --- quit: demise () 12:24:58 --- join: demise (~e9o@c-b04272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 12:25:56 --- join: tttt (~tttt@host81-134-154-237.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 12:26:44 --- part: tttt left #osdev 12:26:53 --- nick: Mathis|work -> Mathis 12:26:57 --- nick: Mathis -> Mathis_ 12:27:04 re 12:30:18 --- join: idle (~idle@ppp-208-27-0-41.kinex.net) joined #osdev 12:31:56 howdy foolios 12:32:23 what what? fools where? 12:32:30 --- join: df (~yakumo@host81-132-110-9.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 12:32:37 geist's state is burning down 12:32:39 there's one, hey df 12:32:45 also earthquakes 12:32:47 >:P 12:32:49 eves 12:32:51 yeah, but not up here 12:32:55 that's 6 hours south of here 12:33:10 geist lives in texas!? 12:33:11 enough distance to probably be halfway across europe 12:33:17 haha texas 12:33:23 sup mur? 12:33:27 no, i'm in northern california 12:33:38 the CA fires are south of LA 12:33:46 which is around 500 miles or so south 12:33:54 but geist is from texas 12:34:11 df not much 12:34:22 what do you think of texas? 12:34:45 bone dry 12:34:46 big 12:34:49 not at all 12:34:59 texas has a lot of different climates 12:35:07 where I grew up was practically tropical 12:35:08 good national parks and good hiking in texas. 12:35:14 its certainly no rain forest 12:35:22 in the southeastern portions it's very wet 12:35:31 and very humid 12:35:31 idle: are you sure, bush is much of a monkey? >:P 12:35:35 who lives there besides illegals 12:35:47 nah, that's in the southern part 12:35:58 you have to rememer that it takes a day to drive across Texas 12:36:03 800 miles wide 12:36:16 did you know that you have to be millionaire to become USA president? 12:36:30 mur, ? 12:36:30 there's a lot of differnt climates, lots of different subcultures, etc 12:36:44 every of USA presidents have been millionaire 12:36:48 big bend, los maples, palmetto, 12:36:48 well duh, but i fail to see how that's different anywhere else 12:36:49 etc 12:37:02 you need to buy the voters 12:37:08 heh 12:37:14 at least you dont have to be a leader of a military coup to be pres 12:37:29 I highly doubt any other democratic state works differently 12:37:40 you need money to run a campaign 12:38:03 you need money to expose the other canidates 12:38:48 you need a good quarterback to win a game 12:38:55 the problem to understand where these money come from.. 12:39:10 illegal paper recycling. thats where the money comes from. 12:39:11 and most of them come from africa or china or (worse) drug dealers.. 12:39:33 speaking of quarterback.. 12:39:40 how 'bout them chiefs 12:39:43 df, paper? yeah.. all of these stuff.. 12:39:53 Nike Coca COlla company etc.. rule the world 12:39:54 * df would like to go hiking in big bend NP in texas... 12:41:04 big bend is nice 12:41:12 pretty dry, but it's a massive park, lots of stuff to do 12:41:50 --- join: sayke (abuse@dsc05-sei-wa-199-182-71-177.rasserver.net) joined #osdev 12:44:24 exposing is only another side of coin of analysis 12:48:19 --- join: newbs (~tumbler@3a63c8a0c00c.ssl.walledcity.de) joined #osdev 12:48:22 --- quit: Mathis_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 12:48:27 --- join: Mathis_ (~anyone1@pD9EABD01.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 12:54:44 --- quit: demise ("pr0n does it all.") 12:59:12 --- join: tttt (~tttt@host81-134-154-237.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 13:00:28 --- join: ZLM (~fork@AToulouse-103-1-1-88.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 13:02:14 --- quit: tttt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:08:21 --- quit: CrayT3E ("changing servers") 13:18:12 --- quit: df ("syntax: ja matte ne!") 13:26:41 --- join: tttt (~tttt@host81-134-154-237.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 13:27:29 later 13:29:27 --- quit: BladE^ ("Leaving") 13:30:23 --- join: BladE^ (~UNIX@62-101-126-225.fastres.net) joined #osdev 13:33:26 --- join: redblue (~star@ppp041.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 13:34:18 --- quit: tttt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:43:27 --- join: dresden (~djdresden@ip-wv-68-119-143-145.charterwv.net) joined #osdev 14:06:02 --- join: wcstok (strtok_r@dialup-67.31.178.21.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 14:20:34 --- quit: sayke ("death to dialup") 14:20:59 --- quit: Dr_Evil () 14:24:39 * kyelewis|afk pops his head in 14:24:42 --- nick: kyelewis|afk -> kyelewis 14:24:56 hi kyelewis, Parker 14:25:08 lol 14:25:09 :P 14:31:43 damn.. 14:31:48 hello Mathis_ kernel-panic dresden 14:31:54 * BladE^ depeche mode - dream on 14:31:55 hello BladE^ 14:31:58 I love the lyrics :) 14:32:08 hey BladE^ 14:32:15 I just got a hella nice job offer.. 14:33:09 dresden: good for you! :) 14:33:26 where was the hello to me :P 14:33:37 "You can scratch all over but that wont stop you itching, can you feel a little loved.. dream on.." 14:33:41 * kyelewis refuses to say hello to BladE^ until he gets a hello :) 14:34:10 kyelewis: :)) hello you know.. I press the tab-complention and.. thought that your nick would appear.. 14:34:21 but I was wrong.. hehe 14:34:24 hi kyelewis ¨ 14:34:27 a kernel-panic appeared :P 14:34:32 120,000$/year 14:34:38 thankyou :P 14:34:42 hello BladE^ :) 14:34:46 :P 14:34:46 :) 14:34:52 tho i have to move even further away from my fiance.. 14:34:56 greet ME! :( 14:34:56 dresden: hmm are you tall blonde 14:35:06 BladE^: tall, and no 14:35:06 looking for a perfect young man.. ? 14:35:13 blondes can be males too ;) 14:35:18 no :P~ 14:35:19 dresden: hmm nice ass? long legs? etc? 14:35:23 :(( dresden 14:35:24 i'm male, n very straight :) 14:35:25 hahaha 14:35:26 nooooooooo 14:35:33 sorry man 14:35:33 * BladE^ dreams crash 14:35:39 yeah.. I'm sorry too. 14:35:56 for? 14:36:06 i'm straight, not homophobic :P~ 14:36:07 kyelewis: 14:36:32 my view: you respect i'm straight, i respect you're gay/straight/bi/fuck animals :) 14:37:30 heya mur :) 14:38:00 hahahah 14:38:29 --- quit: frank ("bbl") 14:38:35 dresden: I dont like gay's but.. as far as they dont give me any kind of reason to be pissed.. its k 14:39:40 z 14:39:43 * BladE^ enter's sadnman 14:39:50 s 14:39:53 j 14:40:35 BladE^: basicly if they don't try anything with me, i don't give a shit who they fuck lol 14:41:35 dresden: anyway 14:41:39 lets talk about monica bellucci 14:41:44 who? :) 14:41:46 is she hot? :) 14:41:48 monica. 14:41:51 uh.. 14:41:52 you dont know her? 14:42:00 how about we talk about that cute girl who delivers my mail? :) 14:42:05 hah :P 14:42:17 5'2", prolly like 100 pounds, perfect C tits, and a wonderful body 14:42:24 and her face is quite nice too :) 14:42:28 dresden: uhm? Who might that be? .. 14:42:29 no no 14:42:33 I am about to vomit 14:42:34 plz stop! 14:42:39 lol 14:42:43 wha? :) 14:43:04 she's small, but not bones poking through skin :p~ as i'd know from the few quickies we've had :) 14:43:45 err.. *hushes* 14:46:52 http://pengo.org/allhallows_eve.html 14:47:12 hhehe 14:47:32 hmm... we had no problems with ppl knocking on the door for halloween :) 14:47:35 yey :) 14:48:09 all the kids in this neighbourhood must have been hiding under their beds 14:48:19 hehe 14:49:07 or maybe they chose to do what some others were doing.... just having a halloween party :P 14:49:26 some were having scary movie fests :P 14:49:39 kyelewis: well it was damn quiet on the streets 14:50:43 peng: you noticed that too? :) 14:50:47 cool. they got a guy in NSW (.au for those not in the know) for that nigerian spam and now i dont get any spam 14:50:59 woo :P 14:51:07 i barely get any nigerian spam anyway 14:51:14 i used to get it every day 14:51:40 i'm still being hit by swen-infected emails though 14:51:49 seemed to be the only spammer to have picked up my domain registry email 14:52:36 :/ 14:52:38 heh 14:52:44 i have spam@MYDOMAIN :) 14:52:47 for all that 14:53:00 i love having my own domain name and never getting any spam at *any* of my email addresses 14:53:01 :) 14:53:09 and it's aggressively filtered 14:53:12 or any of the other email addresses there either 15:12:50 --- join: Kurt (weberk@mrdh1395pc2.ics.purdue.edu) joined #osdev 15:19:50 --- quit: kyelewis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:20:10 OOH 15:20:16 pengo 15:21:45 http://pengo.org/allhallows_eve.html - your photos pengo? 15:26:50 mur: yup 15:26:59 all taken last night 15:27:08 cool lightning 15:27:13 i wish i had been there 15:27:25 2nd picture has nice lights 15:27:39 4th pictures has interesting effect 15:27:42 bbl, pimpin 15:27:46 and nice lights 15:27:54 and 5th nice lights 15:27:55 all the pictures have very vibrant colors 15:27:59 the 4th looks like small models 15:28:05 have you seen pictures of miklos gaal? 15:28:21 no 15:28:33 nope 15:29:18 i try looking some example 15:29:20 wasn't a lot of light in 5th pic 15:29:30 he's orginally from my department, then went to photography department 15:29:37 he takes pictures which look like small models 15:29:41 even they are from real world 15:29:46 just a sec, trying to find a demo 15:29:52 no picture, not demo :P 15:30:35 peng: here have a look http://www.frame-fund.fi/aom/gaal/artwork-3.html 15:31:00 --- quit: kernel-panic ("zzz") 15:31:06 those are pictures of real life, not models or anything 15:33:28 mur: nice shots 15:33:50 wow, those are cool 15:33:51 you get the feeling they were models (they are quite low res pictures:/) 15:34:04 yeah 15:34:41 focus is very sharp too 15:35:01 sure, it's hmm 15:35:03 well hard to tell 15:35:12 one of the first cameratypes there were 15:35:19 you can rotate the sharpness axis in it 15:35:27 in any 3d position 15:35:53 umm.. cool i think :) 15:36:02 there is only 1 that type of lense manufactured as new, costs fortunes 15:36:46 hmm with good software you could take a bunch of pics with diff focuses and turn it into 3d 15:37:23 or 2d with depth.. guess you could do that with normal focusing too 15:37:37 errr 15:37:40 not possible 15:37:48 easy to judge level of blurriness 15:37:57 with s/w 15:38:00 actaully there are quite interesting lenses 15:38:22 our department has expensive lense where you can take picture so that you were standing 10 m higher you actaully are 15:38:31 you can move the position of viewer 15:38:44 so you can take picture of building with walls as rectangles 15:38:52 cool 15:39:07 could you do that with software? 15:39:10 i need that 15:39:14 no 15:39:25 unless you had zillion sized image 15:39:29 which woudl not be the purpose 15:39:46 You can not add this name to your deny list, it is full. 15:39:48 if it was zillion sized image, then it woudl miss the point 15:39:48 ah nods 15:40:34 anyways, it is like lazy lense, you can go 10 m upper without stairs :) 15:40:57 yeah that's pretty cool 15:41:14 i just want to reprogram my camera :) 15:41:31 to get it to do better night shots 15:41:48 use long shuttertimes if possible 15:42:31 that last photo on my page was photoshopped from two images just overlayed.. lost too much detail on the lily with long shutter time 15:43:25 you coudl make the last image miklos gaalish :) 15:43:29 maybe 4th too 15:43:32 with blur effect 15:43:45 yeah the blur is cause the camera moved.. didn't plan to merge the images 15:43:56 (create layer with hugely blurred, then add mask 15:44:06 hehe that's cheating 15:44:08 use gradient 15:44:11 it's already got blur 15:44:19 hang on i fixed it up a bit more 15:44:30 the lense is built-in to camera, right? 15:47:11 yup 15:47:45 it can get attachments for wide-angle etc but they end up costing more than the camera 15:48:00 will get a better camera first 15:48:08 built-in lenses suck :P 15:48:28 zoom objective ought to be very bad, you shoudlnt buy such :) 15:48:50 or that's what photography teacher said, he's been photographing for at least 20 years in row for profession 15:48:53 and art 15:49:01 proabbly 30 years or more 15:49:21 what's bad about zoom objective? what is zoom objective? 15:49:51 you can zoom with it 15:49:58 it's unsharp 15:49:58 ah what's wrong with that? 15:50:02 doesn't it make things flat? 15:50:08 ugh no 15:50:19 zoom objective merges between normal objective and wideobjective 15:50:43 you hosudl keep the zoom constant and adjust only the "blurryness" 15:51:02 depth of focus? 15:51:03 zoom objectives dont let light so much out, which is bad, dont remember why 15:52:34 give me a digital camera and i'll work out how to use it.. that's my philosophy for photography.. get to do so much more trial and error with digital 15:53:30 with non digital camera there seems to be interesting tricks you can make with it 15:53:39 * mur wishesh he coudl take a lot photography coursese 15:54:09 --- quit: Nayxx ("Illegal call") 15:54:34 --- join: tumbler_ (~tumbler@3a63c8a0c00c.ssl.walledcity.de) joined #osdev 15:54:51 --- quit: newbs (Nick collision from services.) 15:54:51 talkign about gaal, i like much this one: "Penitentiary exercise-hour, 2002" 15:55:07 --- nick: tumbler_ -> newbs 15:56:13 more pics ! http://www.anhava.com/?http://www.anhava.com/exhibitions/gaal/index-a.html 15:56:16 yeah that's a good one 15:58:51 miklos gaal will become hopefully one of the most known artists of this time 15:58:56 at least in photography 15:59:06 that's so unique compared to normal photos 15:59:18 it's rare to give such unique technique 16:01:06 i need a weather balloon and some lego mindstorm stuff 16:01:41 hmm some posters by our department : http://www.amnesty.fi/support/basaari/poster_lomake.htm 16:01:44 and a lot of time to waste 16:04:10 or good camera 16:05:03 you can't get the top of a tram just because you have a good camera 16:06:24 but yeah 16:06:37 that's pretty crazy 16:07:30 i think he's been in building instead :) 16:09:29 hard to shoot the roof of a building otherwise :) 16:09:35 i just want a really long stick 16:11:53 hm 16:11:57 :) 16:13:00 i'd like to be able to take very close shots too.. australian native bees are tiny 16:13:27 boah 16:13:39 real photographer sacrafice themselves for photos ;) 16:13:49 * mur was picturing bees 16:13:53 coudlnt really catch them 16:14:04 i dont want to catch them 16:14:07 i just want to photograph them 16:14:43 birds are boring and fly away when you're close.. bees move fast but dont fly away when you get close 16:15:07 hah 16:15:13 i've been drinking for 5 days :) 16:15:56 are you 18 and 5 days? 16:16:21 ;D 16:16:39 --- quit: wcstok (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:16:49 pengo, it'd be really hard to take photos of bees 16:16:53 trust me 16:17:03 peng 22 16:17:04 mur: i have before 16:17:39 dresden: you realised 5 days ago that you have had your 18th birthday already and you ddn't realise that then? 16:17:58 mur: no, i just suddenly got my tentacles on a large stash of alky 16:19:05 peng, let me try making the last picture miklosgaalish 16:22:36 pengo, actaully i made something REALLY cool by accident 16:22:53 http://pengo.org/photo/bee.jpg 16:23:22 http://pengo.org/photo/bee.jpg 16:23:25 argh 16:23:39 it dragged the url i had selected and dropped and pasted back here :) 16:24:01 heh 16:24:17 --- quit: mrMister ("gone") 16:24:33 hm should have rotated it 16:25:49 i need a strong daylight to do macro 16:29:35 wakka wakka 16:30:12 idle, saw miklos gaal photos already? 16:30:21 peng, are you a photographer for National Geographic? 16:30:30 mikos gaal = bee ? 16:30:36 nah the bee is mine 16:30:45 you 'own' a bee? 16:30:51 i'm trying to start a local geographic in my home town :) 16:31:11 idle: it followed me home, honest! 16:31:20 .. 16:31:21 uhm 16:31:24 when I grow up 16:31:25 i had to take the photo quickly before it worked out how to use a window 16:31:25 heh 16:31:33 I will be a unix developer!! yatch! 16:31:39 s/be/become 16:31:42 at first i thought its tongue got caught in the ice 16:31:45 the opening was at the bottom and the light came from the top.. that doesn't confuse flies, but it does confuse bees 16:31:51 thats a gold! 16:32:18 mur, where is the mikososgaal? 16:32:40 that's not ice.. 16:32:46 i'm cleaning my windows today 16:33:25 that's not a native australian bee.. the native ones are much smaller 16:34:32 pasted urls before, idle 16:34:50 [7:22p] http://pengo.org/photo/bee.jpg 16:34:52 pengo, i wonder what those pics will look you your computer 16:34:54 not that 16:35:03 something .fi 16:35:11 [7:0p] hmm some posters by our department : http://www.amnesty.fi/support/basaari/poster_lomake.htm 16:35:15 peng: here have a look http://www.frame-fund.fi/aom/gaal/artwork-3.html 16:35:16 neither that 16:35:20 ugh 16:35:30 pengos pasted correct 16:36:45 great i crashed netscape :) 16:37:03 you took all these? 16:37:49 no 16:37:56 one dude from our department 16:38:06 before he went to photogrpahy department 16:38:07 40 beers... 16:39:16 idle, they are pictures of real places, quite nice, eh? 16:39:39 yes ;) 16:40:02 other view of the bee: http://pengo.org/photo/bee2.jpg 16:40:03 i need more alcohol :( 16:40:18 i'm on my 41st beer of the night.. and still depressing sober 16:41:01 dresden: american beer? 2.2% alcohol? 16:41:04 murr.host.sk/tmp/pengosbackyard.jpg 16:41:12 have a look peng 16:41:18 peng: sadly heineken, 6% iirc 16:41:18 not grolsch :( 16:41:39 mur: nice.. want me to send you the originals? 16:41:42 it's just not working.. 16:42:05 * dresden eyes the everclear 16:42:06 dresden: try vodka. 16:42:15 peng: all out :( 16:42:32 had some stoli yesterday 16:42:40 dresden: me too :) 16:42:50 but drank it all.. now i just have heineken, cuervo (tequila), and some everclear 16:42:59 orginals? :) 16:43:24 did you see it saturated colourful? 16:44:02 it was made from two photos 16:44:11 ohw? 16:44:12 how? 16:44:41 one put 50% on the other 16:44:45 one darker one long exposure 16:44:54 photoshop 16:45:33 heh 16:45:47 perhaps it just adds intersting flavours to this one 16:45:56 i shoudl try playin with exposures too 16:46:46 can you get dcc? 16:47:30 i can't dcc 16:47:33 i'm on university shell :) 16:47:38 but hey WOW! 16:47:51 i coudl make miklos gaal -effect with one layer!! 16:48:23 --- quit: qfire ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 16:48:23 heh yeah :) 16:48:35 you did do that too? 16:49:09 no 16:49:33 i got a funny blur cause the camera was in different places 16:50:28 let me show you this 16:53:11 http://murr.host.sk/tmp/pengogaal.jpg 16:53:51 i need to obtain a new bass 16:56:12 how about a new nickname like Carl Marx Stadt? *g* 16:56:29 mur: just looks blurred.. too subtle maybe 16:57:16 you can assign signs to pictures with blurness 16:57:19 its interesting 16:57:36 you can make something look clumsy by focusing so that it's blurry at certain parts 16:57:53 hmm 16:58:15 too many tricks 16:58:20 i need to employ a post-productionist 16:59:15 --- join: MoneyCat (~idle@ppp-208-27-0-105.kinex.net) joined #osdev 16:59:17 ;) 16:59:21 actually 16:59:26 remember the first picture 16:59:27 http://pengo.org/photo/onlybig/ -> graveyard* 16:59:38 it looks like you were in story 16:59:40 a fairy tale 16:59:42 inside one 17:00:09 i took another photo there that would be great.. shows the door of the neighbour and the graveyard behind.. but there's a big garbage bin in the foreground 17:00:33 --- quit: dengmao (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:00:33 damn.. that was [not] fun 17:01:09 1 Mpix camera, peng ? 17:01:18 2 17:01:23 oki 17:01:30 that was another guess 17:01:32 all those photos have been 50% except the last two 17:01:41 in onlybig 17:02:48 --- quit: idle (Nick collision from services.) 17:02:50 --- nick: MoneyCat -> idle 17:03:14 http://pengo.org/photo/graveyard_09.jpg <- with door and bin 17:03:29 whooo the white flowers here are cool! 17:03:48 ? 17:03:58 anyone wants some spaghetti 17:04:08 with white salse and mooshrums? 17:04:09 --- join: tumbler_ (~tumbler@3a63c8a0c00c.ssl.walledcity.de) joined #osdev 17:04:25 BladE^: maybe a bit later if there's any 17:04:30 --- quit: newbs (Nick collision from services.) 17:04:33 peng: okay. 17:04:44 --- nick: tumbler_ -> newbs 17:04:57 peng: I'm still configuring the "incident" anyway.. 17:05:06 When I'm about to "make" it, I'll msg you. 17:05:15 s/configuring/compiling 17:05:46 incident? you're putting a dead body in the mince, aren't you? 17:07:01 hahaha nah.. I just borrow the phrase from the "spaghetti incident" a Gun's and Roses album 17:07:04 hehe 17:08:53 --- quit: ZLM (Remote closed the connection) 17:13:12 pengo made something for you 17:13:17 have a look 17:13:24 --- join: grrrrr (~jim@1Cust41.tnt5.sfo8.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 17:13:49 hi 17:14:07 did you overlay the two images? 17:14:54 hi 17:14:58 this time? NO 17:15:00 ups 17:15:14 murr.host.sk/tmp/magicpotion.jpg 17:15:16 :) 17:15:42 haha awesome :) 17:16:35 you make me look like a better photographer than i am 17:16:52 ;) 17:17:21 you know i dont really have a yard at all 17:18:06 who cares 17:18:15 the graveyard is your background now :) 17:18:37 :) 17:19:00 but if i did i'd probably have a few dead bodies 17:19:53 hmm can i use your pictures free of charge, that is, do you license the pictures for me to use without rojalties? :) 17:20:56 if you want to make big $$$ then i want a % but otherwise use them how you like 17:21:27 sure 17:21:36 --- join: tttt (~tttt@host81-134-154-237.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 17:21:45 * mur is not interested in making $$$ 17:22:02 didn't think so 17:22:45 i'm interested in cute girls.. 17:22:46 :) 17:22:50 and making my kernel work 17:24:04 and making cute girls work your kernel 17:27:05 forget the kernel, they can enjoy the benefits package my company offers 17:27:06 ;) 17:27:15 vip pass to my bedroom 17:27:22 or bent over my desk 17:27:24 hah 17:27:26 peng: was your url pengo.org? 17:27:30 yup 17:27:41 okay, i redirected few people to there 17:29:16 :) 17:30:27 http://www.bash.org/?166906 17:31:41 hahaha 17:33:10 --- join: jwesley (~chatzilla@adsl-155-138-125.mem.bellsouth.net) joined #osdev 17:35:03 i think i ought to go sleep soon 17:35:08 it's 4 am 17:37:29 only 4am? 17:37:50 have to work hard, i need to return the course book by the 6th day (thu) next week 17:37:51 --- nick: cookin -> cookin-drunk 17:37:57 and i haven't read 150 pages of it :( 17:38:03 cookin-drunk: you liar! 17:38:30 you can't be drunk unless you have tasted magic potion from pengo's garden of death living 17:39:40 http://www.bash.org/?165823 17:39:41 :D 17:39:44 --- quit: kdehl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:40:31 belive me 17:40:34 i'm drunk 17:41:38 03:34 < matja> visit our homepage : www.google.com 17:43:08 cookin-drunk: hi :) 17:43:14 --- quit: tttt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:43:27 hi debug! 17:43:44 --- join: tttt (~tttt@host81-134-51-37.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 17:44:36 --- quit: eniac ("Lost terminal") 17:51:16 errr 17:51:37 somehow i got idea that culture woudl become towards .. eh nevermind 17:53:25 good night sweethearts 17:54:54 mur: gnite 17:58:19 cookin-drunk: I've made some more progress 17:58:33 coding is addictive though :-/ 17:59:02 http://www.bash.org/?16374 18:00:43 coding drunk? 18:01:41 i've seen code on ecstasy and it wasn't pretty 18:02:08 * debug coding sober 18:02:45 lol 18:03:37 --- quit: tttt ("Leaving") 18:05:08 http://www.bash.org/?139489 :D 18:05:16 seen servs around :D 18:05:18 ? 18:06:10 --- quit: Mathis_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 18:07:31 yarg 18:08:00 http://www.bash.org/?70450 :) 18:08:02 cows would live a lot longer if they werent made out of steaks and leather 18:08:06 hehe 18:09:51 cows are your friend, do not taunt them 18:09:59 anyone know how to do nat w/ fbsd? palm is on ppp0 (192.168.1.2 for the palm .1.1 for the local side) (cuaa0), lan is dc0 (10.0.0.1, router at 10.0.0.254) 18:10:25 * geist wonders if you had to have compiled it in for it to work 18:10:33 the ip firewall has to be compiled in 18:10:52 yeup, yeup.. just need to figure out how :) 18:10:59 forgotten ipfw syntax 18:11:22 ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via ppp0? 18:11:27 look at rc.firewall 18:11:33 it has some of the ipfw commands 18:11:39 is there a rc.nat? 18:11:43 alright.. cleaning mission one successful: 10% of floor now visible 18:11:43 no 18:11:58 look at rc.network 18:12:14 it's where it looks for ipnat_enable, and then sources the right files 18:12:33 and i betcha there is an example script for that 18:13:04 apparently not :) 18:13:11 also, look at ppp -nat 18:13:17 that's ppp, not pppd 18:13:18 i see something like 18:13:22 yeah I know 18:13:46 there's a command in that script that if ppp_nat is enabled runs pppd -nat instead of pppd 18:14:41 --- quit: Kurt (Client Quit) 18:14:52 crap, I can't rebuild the system on my home freebsd box 18:15:03 it gives me an internal compiler error a little ways into buildworld 18:15:14 but always in a different spot. looks like time to run a memtest on this machine 18:16:40 --- quit: dresden (Remote closed the connection) 18:17:09 ohhhh, fatal signal 4 is 'illegal instruction'. that's really bad 18:27:30 --- quit: newbs ("Client Exiting") 18:36:01 --- join: Prophet__ (~Prophet@pD9FF6F95.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 18:40:22 --- quit: elvstone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:42:13 * debug finds a goldmine: http://cmcnabb.cc.vt.edu/dec94mds/ 18:43:23 --- quit: Prophet_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:50:48 --- quit: peng ("I could develop a system that would make money obsolete, but it would only make me rich") 18:55:42 --- join: tttt (~tttt@host81-134-51-37.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 19:01:36 i've got a problem 19:01:43 ok 19:01:49 yes, we know 19:02:00 it's okay, you can talk about it 19:02:07 i had designed all these new changes for nano but then found out they wont work 19:02:18 oh that problem 19:02:26 well, there's no hope for you there 19:08:21 hm 19:09:15 --- quit: witten_ ("Client exiting") 19:09:51 is SCSI hard to learn? 19:10:27 eh? 19:10:31 in what context? 19:10:37 emulating it 19:10:38 :) 19:10:42 at what level? 19:11:00 what levels are there? :) 19:11:15 * debug really hasn't got much more experience than like plugging in a disk :) 19:11:16 at the hardware level? yes 19:11:30 there is no standard, so you have to pick a controller and emulate it 19:11:35 and they're usually quite complex 19:11:44 I've been reading a bit about the SII controller used in DECstation 3100... it's not exactly trivial to grasp 19:12:09 and it's hard to emulate old stuff that no one documents anymore 19:12:11 then there's another controller, ASC, in most other decstations 19:12:14 hm 19:12:31 well, DEC writes good documentation, to the point. but they are still quite a lot to read 19:12:50 yep 19:12:54 well, that's quite difficult 19:14:23 but the cable signals are standardized? 19:14:28 sure 19:14:35 but that's not what you'd be emulating 19:14:44 you'd have to emulate the controller hardware, and most likely it's pretty complex 19:14:50 vs something like ide, which is pretty darn simple 19:15:05 I worked on the symbios driver at Be, and it was very complex 19:15:06 some bits in control words are directly connected to bits on the scsi bus, according to the manual I've read 19:15:24 phase bits, and stuff like that 19:15:37 the adaptec was incredibly complex, and the buslogic chipset seemed to be pretty straightforward 19:15:54 but they were orders of magnitude more complicated and flexible than somehting like straightforward ide or floppy 19:16:02 ok 19:16:17 * debug probably doesn't realize what he's getting himself into :) 19:16:22 geist: what was your position at Be? 19:16:25 now, the particular controller you'll have to emulate may be somewhat simpler since it comes from an earlier gen of stuff 19:16:31 file: he was the kernel 19:16:34 file: I did mostly filesystem stuff 19:16:37 :) 19:16:38 and some drivers, etc 19:16:44 oh ic 19:17:11 I came into be a little late. I got there right before the 4.5 release, worked on 5.0 and then was through the focus shift to BeIA 19:17:26 and I worked on a bunch of stuff that was never released to the public (cfs for example) 19:17:31 foreach regexp find and highlight all matches. how would u change that code so u could have `expr1 || expr2` where expr2 wont be evaluated if expr1 is matched? 19:17:59 * file would love a stable prism driver for BeOS 19:18:34 the one I have for BONE... well... it loses the connection after a few minutes 19:18:42 BeOS? 19:18:45 * geist would love for BeOS to not be dead 19:18:49 but that's too bad 19:18:57 ....... 19:18:58 BeOS runs so fast on my laptop 19:19:01 it's insane 19:19:08 BeOS its far and out of space 19:19:20 yep, ran pretty good on my old vaio. oh well 19:19:27 probably wont run on any of my new machines 19:21:16 I have Dano on here right now actually... but it didn't come with a prism driver 19:22:02 get to work, the api is documented 19:22:20 for BeOS? 19:22:28 yes 19:22:32 a driver would be insane for a person of my skill :) 19:22:44 gotta start somewhere 19:22:48 that's what I did 19:22:56 beos got me into the wonderful world of kernel programming 19:23:24 I had never done any kernel work before about my sophmore year of college, when I got the bright idea of writing an ext2 fs driver for beos so I could see my linux partitions 19:23:29 and the rest is history 19:23:33 scary 19:23:42 actually what is the rest? 19:25:21 wrote that, then started writing an ntfs driver 19:25:36 how did you end up working at be 19:25:39 then be got ahold of me and asked if I wanted to intern there in 99 19:25:49 uc 19:25:52 er ic 19:25:53 summer 99, which was between my 4th and 5th year of college 19:26:11 after that summer, I came back to school but worked about 20 hours remotely on a couple of little things 19:26:21 then graduated in may 2000, went back to be 19:26:26 worked there until about may 2001 19:26:36 then quit, hung around for a month or two 19:26:49 worked at a company for 3 weeks, but hated it, and then went to work at Danger in july 19:27:02 nifty 19:28:38 so all the stuff I need is out there? 19:28:47 should be 19:32:20 oooh I found a driver that may work! 19:34:01 I can't ping google! 19:38:07 perhaps google can ping you? 19:38:11 hm 19:38:18 * debug devours physical food 19:38:20 'tis back now 19:38:42 geist: somebody already wrote a driver that will supposedly work, wish me luck 19:38:47 or perhaps they did that "merge with microsoft" ;) 19:46:44 --- quit: redblue (Connection timed out) 19:50:33 --- quit: BladE^ ("leaving") 19:59:09 --- quit: file (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:14:39 --- join: file (~file@mctn1-0251.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 20:18:50 --- quit: Prophet__ ("Press any key to continue.") 20:34:48 --- quit: malenfant (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:50:28 success 20:50:33 this driver is working great 20:51:52 --- quit: grrrrr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:55:33 nevermind 20:55:36 it loses the connection too 20:55:54 YES!!! 20:56:09 i figured out how to fix the memory leak in regexec() 20:57:33 each time regexec is called it allocates more memory for some unknown reason. as its allocated memory increases it gets slower 20:58:36 so i just need to increment a counter each time regexec is called and when the counter reaches some value it must call regfree/regcomp to free and recompile all regexps to release the memory 21:03:04 man 21:03:11 we got our user-space memory manager working 21:03:15 yay for O(1) kernel! 21:03:19 yay 21:03:51 hhe 21:03:53 heh, even 21:08:02 NetPositive makes it go insane 21:08:19 my milk is purple 21:08:47 xbattle's so great. 21:09:38 xbattle? 21:10:17 yup 21:12:24 http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~jdsteele/xbattle.html 21:13:16 cool 21:13:28 need to port it to something other than pseudocolor terminals :) 21:14:31 got my introduction to it today playing with Rob and Ian (both mentioned on that page). Needless to say, I got my ass kicked. 21:14:54 heh 21:16:02 heh, Jay's pretty funny 21:16:12 "Jay will roar in delight as he repeatedly squashes your worthless vectors into the ground. Be very scared of Jay. Be VERY scared." 21:17:00 * sdt is entirely prepared to become addicted to xbattle 21:17:17 although now is quite probably a really bad time for that. 21:26:07 I think I'd rather play freeciv :) 21:38:55 --- join: Prophet_ (~Prophet@217.255.111.149) joined #osdev 21:59:16 --- join: grrrrr__ (~jim@1Cust165.tnt5.sfo8.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 22:32:52 anyone know how to send keystrokes to a console app? 22:33:01 automatically 22:33:25 like if i wanted to time how long it takes the app to process them? 22:36:01 --- join: redblue (~star@ppp034.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 22:49:37 --- nick: grrrrr__ -> grrrrr 23:49:20 air: echo "my test text" | myapp 23:50:43 or perhaps "myapp < file_containing_text.txt" ? 23:51:41 or even "cat file_containing_text.txt | myapp" 23:52:12 I'm not sure that there is a difference is between the last two... 23:52:48 well.. a pipe vs stdin 23:53:51 what about for ncurses apps 23:53:56 like a word processor 23:56:36 hmm.. I'm no sure... 23:56:55 perhaps a "Copy/Paste" would work 23:57:29 Some wordprocessors allow you to record a "Macro" I think.. but I've never done that 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/03.10.31