00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/03.11.08 00:11:17 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FDBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 00:30:38 --- join: lodda_ (~lodda@p508FDBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 00:36:52 dresden: not all places have deadlines 00:36:58 or rather, not all have hard deadlines 00:37:24 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:38:12 every place i've done code for has had very unreasonable deadlines 00:38:26 most places are like that 00:38:29 * dresden is slowly working on porting fbsd's vmm to popcorn :) 00:38:42 popcorn? your os? 00:38:57 kernel for embedded things i'm working with :) 00:39:07 the fbsd vmm is for the not-so-embedded targets tho :) 00:39:11 cool 00:39:16 for fun? 00:39:21 yea 00:39:43 cvs is up, but being at sf.net it's 24 hours behind developer cvs 00:39:59 sf.net blows 00:40:05 yea.. but no better place to host it 00:40:12 savannah? 00:40:15 I'm really worried about the harddrive in this box dying soon 00:40:26 backup! 00:40:35 witten that's what the cvs server @ sf.net is for :) 00:40:46 i do weekly tape backups 00:40:54 but i'd rather lose no code 00:41:10 understandable.. 00:41:38 i recently discovered i've accidently commited a crime too :P~ 00:41:41 exporting crypto 00:41:50 to what country? 00:42:05 witten .se 00:42:10 sweden 00:42:10 heh 00:42:24 that's legal 00:42:26 ahh 00:42:28 Good stuff :) 00:42:35 wasn't legal in like 1996 00:42:36 i don't have a warning on the page :) 00:42:45 i need to 00:42:56 no ya don't 00:43:05 "if you are in a country that is on the united state cryptographic export control list, you may not download this." 00:43:15 or such 00:43:29 that's just cya material 00:43:56 hmm, i've got a crypto module that has lots of crypto stuffs :) 00:44:19 * dresden wonders if it even compiles still, have it disabled in the kernel config for quite some time :) 00:44:20 have had 00:57:56 umm hmm 01:03:27 hm 01:04:50 work in 4 hours *yay...* 01:05:41 bbl 01:06:14 then go to sleep 01:06:27 dont be stupid, it's not worth it man 01:06:28 --- quit: lodda_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:06:31 think of the children 01:07:40 --- join: wl (philipp@pD9E2D753.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 01:11:34 --- join: vitamin-X (vitamin-X@213.138.100.231) joined #osdev 01:11:36 --- quit: vitamin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:30:02 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FDBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 01:30:03 --- quit: vitamin-X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:37:17 --- join: idle (~idle@ppp-208-27-1-145.kinex.net) joined #osdev 01:38:26 hiya idle 01:41:46 --- join: Mathis_ (~anyone1@pD9EAA21D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 01:41:57 howdy Mathis_ 01:42:03 hi 01:42:31 howdy 01:43:05 dont you wanna go sleeping? 01:43:30 no sleep allowed 01:43:31 not yet 01:43:38 ah 01:43:39 I will in a bit, but it's the weekend 01:44:03 though I am in bed. it's too cold otherwise 01:44:12 heh 01:45:20 dunno why but I can get only 6 hours of sleep 01:45:50 waking up very tired and cannot sleep again... 01:47:07 --- join: [Mathis] (~anyone1@pD9EAA21D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 01:47:08 --- quit: Mathis_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:47:22 <[Mathis]> re 01:47:43 <[Mathis]> hardware crashed 01:47:50 --- nick: [Mathis] -> Mathis_ 01:53:29 --- join: jewel (~jewel@pta-dial-196-31-187-60.mweb.co.za) joined #osdev 02:20:02 --- join: GoNoGag (The_questi@lns-p19-4-82-65-19-45.adsl.proxad.net) joined #osdev 02:28:34 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:40:31 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FDBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 02:49:09 --- join: BladE^ (~UNIX@62-101-126-225.fastres.net) joined #osdev 02:49:09 hi 02:49:26 sup 02:49:51 salut BladE^ 02:50:36 I'm a bit dizzy 02:51:12 then dont use irc 02:51:44 anyway, sleepy time 02:52:45 geist, just woke up.. 02:52:57 outside is raining.. I get some cold yesterday 02:53:21 after the gym.. and I feel stoned++ now. I should take a shower before leaving the gym 02:53:45 s/should/should have anyway 02:55:14 --- quit: GoNoGag (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:56:47 --- join: draq (ident@203-219-179-14-nsw.tpgi.com.au) joined #osdev 03:01:20 --- join: DRF (~daniel@host217-42-163-254.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined #osdev 03:15:51 --- quit: DRF ("Leaving") 03:24:23 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:24:53 --- join: sokas (172-16-2-b@213.252.218.2) joined #osdev 03:26:24 hi 03:27:42 is possible to port opengl to any operating system without writing a graphics card driver? 03:28:16 --- join: GoNoGag (The_questi@lns-th2-2-82-64-28-135.adsl.proxad.net) joined #osdev 03:40:43 no 03:41:26 sokas: something like mesagl? or what did you have in mind? 03:44:26 --- join: df (~yakumo@host81-132-48-72.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 03:56:26 i am thinking about 3d graphics in my gui 03:57:45 mesagl? it's open source? 04:00:14 yes 04:00:43 SGI's implementation is, too. :> 04:02:36 SGI GPL ?? I'm not sure. OpenGL ok, but the "OpenGL SGI" is SGI 04:02:55 Open Source and GPL isn't the same thing. 04:03:12 SGI's Sample Implementation has been released under an open source licence. 04:11:30 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FDBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:25:07 --- quit: df ("syntax: ja matte ne!") 04:43:46 --- quit: GoNoGag ("Cassos") 04:45:29 --- quit: jewel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04:52:18 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:53:04 cool, I'm visible through WebCam XP :-) 04:55:00 --- join: mrMister (~andri@ti122110a080-6601.bb.online.no) joined #osdev 05:01:49 --- quit: dresden (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:12:41 --- join: ToreSB (~tore@062016148138.customer.alfanett.no) joined #osdev 05:13:24 hm 05:13:24 --- quit: sokas () 05:17:02 --- join: Nayxx (Natron@d213-103-19-169.cust.tele2.fr) joined #osdev 05:36:21 --- quit: BladE^ ("Leaving") 05:48:12 tore.nortia.no/stuff/room2.jpg 05:50:35 kränk 05:51:15 http://tore.nortia.no/stuff/room1.jpg 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Mathis-pumped 13:53:56 :-) 13:54:12 ;) 13:54:20 * mur is now known as mur 13:54:24 --- nick: air- -> air 13:54:27 * Mathis_ is now known as Mathis_ 13:54:34 :-) 13:54:35 <--- 13:54:36 :-) 13:55:49 <-? 13:57:56 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FDBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 13:58:25 --- nick: ToreSB -> something_else 13:58:29 --- nick: something_else -> ToreSB 13:58:56 --- quit: ToreSB (Remote closed the connection) 13:59:31 --- join: Filch (Flich@dialup-67.31.147.120.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 14:20:25 --- quit: Filch () 14:22:17 --- join: asm_ (~msa@dsl-082-082-155-224.arcor-ip.net) joined #osdev 14:28:58 --- quit: lodda (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14:30:42 --- quit: Kurt ("Leaving") 14:31:50 --- join: LemmiWinks (blowme@0x50a12c1d.abnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #osdev 14:33:11 --- quit: LemmiWinks (Client Quit) 14:34:49 --- quit: asm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:49:59 arg 14:50:25 being sick really sucks 14:53:48 you are definitely a sick person 14:53:57 :) 14:55:24 TACO SOUP's revenge 14:56:19 eurgh 14:56:35 heh 14:56:40 i had taco soup last night 14:56:48 but i've been sick for a few days now 14:58:17 idle's revenge for taco soup 14:58:46 my ear drum is about to explode but i cant take aleve cuz i'll get dizzy unless i eat food with them but i'll just puke the food up... 14:59:15 air: get off the computer and lie down dude 15:00:51 what in the sam hell was that 15:00:56 my load just hit 7 15:01:50 --- join: lodda (~lodda@p508FDBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 15:02:03 ok 15:02:10 time to remove the mplayer plugin from firebird 15:02:44 anyway, i just woke up 15:02:50 night.. gotta work on my buslogic scsi driver... yuk. 15:02:51 --- quit: df () 15:07:28 --- quit: lodda ("have fun!") 15:37:43 --- quit: air (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:38:01 --- join: air (~brand@c-24-10-199-222.client.comcast.net) joined #osdev 15:48:45 good night sweet hearts 15:51:09 --- join: oeck (~oeck@host81-134-206-47.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 15:54:26 --- quit: oeck (Client Quit) 16:10:13 soo boring today 16:28:34 true 16:33:13 it's raining a lot outside 16:41:44 --- join: wcstok (strtok_r@dialup-67.31.178.24.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 16:53:21 --- join: oeck (~oeck@host81-134-206-47.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 16:55:27 false 17:05:11 anyone here seen all three matrix movies? 17:06:02 no 17:06:37 i lost interest after 1st one 17:06:42 http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/resolutions.html <-- really funny, especially if u've seen them 17:06:45 ugh 17:06:51 first movie was the best 17:07:01 was also the only good movie 17:07:11 i meant to say.. some movies are not meant to have sequels.. 17:07:33 well 17:07:51 it would have been possible to create a damn good sequel to matrix 17:07:53 ugh.. I refuse to read all this 17:07:58 but they fscked up big time 17:08:03 unless you have a condensed cliff notes version 17:08:32 its funnier if u've seen the movies 17:09:08 also funny if, like me, u had read the 17:09:27 also funny if, like me, u had read the "pretentiuos attention whore's" site 17:09:38 mentioned on debate #6 17:26:17 --- quit: air (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:26:35 --- join: air (~brand@c-24-10-199-222.client.comcast.net) joined #osdev 17:28:04 --- join: wl (philipp@pD9E2D753.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 17:40:48 --- quit: wl ("Quit") 17:43:16 --- quit: oeck (Client Quit) 17:45:09 --- quit: Mathis_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 17:45:22 --- join: peng (xtofu@p413-tnt1.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 17:46:34 --- quit: pengo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:50:01 --- quit: ishq (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:52:34 --- join: elvstone_ (~elvis@h235n2fls32o879.telia.com) joined #osdev 17:52:49 --- quit: elvstone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:57:29 --- nick: elvstone_ -> elvstone 18:07:02 --- join: oeck (~oeck@host81-134-206-47.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 18:41:50 --- quit: BladE^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:42:26 yawn 18:42:29 howdy folks 18:43:51 --- join: Kurt (~weberk@mrdh1395pc3.ics.purdue.edu) joined #osdev 18:43:52 --- join: BladE^ (~UNIX@62-101-126-225.fastres.net) joined #osdev 18:44:05 shit happens (too often I'm afraid) 18:44:10 yep 18:44:18 an important lesson to learn 18:45:39 Trikalinos’ Lemma : It will obviously go wrong 18:46:04 Murphys law. 18:46:36 This fluxbox missconfigurations are fucking the system while I'm downloading a divx.. 18:46:55 life is weird 18:47:03 Neolamo Kyrdano’s Optimistic Antidote-Theorem : Murphy, O’Toole and their imitators were all having a VERY, VERY BAD day 18:49:29 eh? 18:52:18 oh now I suddenly 'get it' 18:52:26 I was totally being a 'tard 18:53:09 kyrdano was a student at bonn universitat. he came with this theorem after a disappointment with a swedish girl 18:53:26 swedish girls rocks badly. 18:53:57 (after he had convinced himself not to jump off the 20th floor) 18:53:59 rumors say that they offer great sex at a small price. (Not high class clothes, fancy cars, or huge muscles needed) 18:54:10 ahahahah 19:00:58 --- join: grrrrr (~grrrrr@1Cust235.tnt5.sfo8.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 19:23:07 --- quit: oeck (Client Quit) 19:28:12 good night. 19:32:33 gnite 19:36:05 --- quit: newbs ("printf("%d\n", EOF);") 19:38:44 --- join: cuebol (~cuebol@adsl-67-121-4-50.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 19:41:55 --- join: idle (~idle@208.27.1.232) joined #osdev 19:44:57 * geist has the sudden urge to listen to the guitar solo from comfortably numb 19:45:13 gmorning 19:45:15 a truly trancending piece of modern music 19:45:18 * debug returns from deep debug mode 19:45:21 *yawn* 19:49:18 * file[desk] is irritated 19:49:21 at the price of mousepads 19:49:35 I feel really - $10? 19:49:37 er mean 19:51:09 --- join: KilgoreTrout (~devo@me-augustacuda1cable3a-37.agstme.adelphia.net) joined #osdev 19:51:29 sup geist 19:52:07 geist: that's sucha lush album. i personally think "have a cigar" exit solo is the all time pinnacle of thier post-barret brilliance 19:52:51 and 'biding my time', played by barret, is unmatched in later years 19:53:04 yeah, I'm starting to think this is another song than what i was thinking of 19:53:24 anybody home has a beautiful orchestral peice in the middle, that's pretty moving 19:53:24 the comfortably numb solo is pretty long, I was thinking of another of gilmours solos that was a little more to the point 19:53:32 gotta go find it 19:53:33 --- join: newbs (newbs@ts1-illavl96.shawneelink.net) joined #osdev 19:53:59 seamus on echoes has noteworthy acoustic gilmore 19:54:08 not exatly the right place to ask but people appear to be very idle in #bochs ive installed the vga font exatly has bochs site tells you but i still cant errors that it cant open the font any ideas? 19:54:23 I think i may have been thinking about the more consise solo on Time 19:54:41 newbs: some more background data might be useful 19:54:45 --- quit: cuebol (Remote closed the connection) 19:54:49 the one that sort of skips along with a waterry vibrato? 19:54:52 like what os you're running, what version of bochs, etc 19:55:06 OpenBSD 3.4 bochs 2.0.2 19:55:39 yeah, I never have liked Seamus that much, it's totally out of place on that album 19:56:04 well i guess San Tropez is pretty out of place too 19:56:08 i hear it in rotation with my other 400 cd's on random ussually 19:56:21 I guess next to the rest of the modern pink floyd 19:56:29 somebody must be able to answer me, why do mousepads cost $10+? 19:56:35 probably is pretty tame next to Syd Barret PF 19:56:42 file[desk]: they dont, you're looking at the wrong place 19:56:53 I just bought one the other day at Frys for $1.99 19:56:58 file[desk]: they dont at tradeshows 19:56:59 well I don't have Frys here! 19:57:07 the slightly higher quality ones were $4.99 19:57:07 and tradeshows? yeah right - like they'd come here 19:57:18 and the spiffy ones with the gel wrist pads were like $15 19:57:26 * file[desk] thinks he might get a free one though muahahaha... or he hopes 19:58:04 alex lifeson and niel pert beat out gilmore/waters in my book, overall, and niether group was worth a damn after 1980 19:58:05 * geist has an urge to get stoned and listen to Dark Side of the Moon while watching Wizard of Oz 19:58:23 I feel the urge to go get peanut butter cookies and eat them 19:58:24 brb 19:58:37 dunno, Gilmour is a phenomenal guitarist, but i agree that they both are totally downhill now 19:58:46 never have been a Lifeson fan 19:59:03 --- quit: BladE^ ("Leaving") 19:59:22 red barchetta... smokes waters, and most of pert's writing 19:59:28 does as well 19:59:45 lifeson is .. a hack, i'll agree, by copmarison 20:00:02 to gilmour 20:00:42 though I did see PF live in the Division Bell tour. It was obviously latter day PF, but still a great show 20:01:26 i saw the tunder tour, threw pudding from the top tier of the balconyinto the crowd below, had a fun time 20:01:55 at giants stadium 20:02:14 these peanut butter cookies smell like peanut butter, but they don't taste like it... very disappointing 20:02:25 yeah, i saw em in Houston at Rice stadium, in a full thunderstorm 20:02:37 lightening and all that, and the stage collapsed during the encore 20:02:38 it ruled 20:03:27 i think one of the most prolific musical genius, dare i say a mozart of the modern day, is les claypool. 20:03:40 he's just too busy showing off to do his best work yet 20:03:51 I could agree with that 20:04:19 i moshed with mudmen at prmius at woodstock 94 20:04:57 metallica got no props and cut thier set short when they got booed, i think they were pretty drunk. 20:05:26 lars got up and said f u to the crowd and then they stopped playing and whined and left the stage 20:06:16 i remember little else of the time except muddy breasts bared in every direction 20:06:33 --- join: mrMister_ (~andri@ti122110a080-6601.bb.online.no) joined #osdev 20:06:47 I saw primus years ago at one of the lollapalooza tours 20:06:51 probably 93 or 92 20:09:25 i think a pretty good set would be phish featuring les claypool on bass 20:10:51 * grrrrr off to fix a guitar jones 20:11:40 --- join: redblue (star@ppp071.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 20:13:42 gah 20:13:53 indeed 20:13:54 damn these floating point context switching things 20:14:19 yeah 20:14:23 I think I have the right idea, but once I have two floating point programs operating, the frstor seems to not work right. 20:14:33 so what are you doing? 20:14:34 of course, the way I handle interrupts right now is, uh, a little shabby 20:14:40 are you saving the context every time? 20:14:43 (since I don't have PL separation) 20:14:47 I do 20:14:52 or are you trying to do the lazy fp save? 20:14:53 - clts 20:15:03 - if last fpu task == this task do nothing 20:15:11 - otherwise, if last fpu task valid, fsave 20:15:27 - if it's the first time for this fpu task, finit 20:15:31 - otherwise, frestor 20:15:41 - finally, last fpu task <- this fpu task 20:15:53 all of this in my int 7 handler 20:15:58 hmm, maybe for the first time you should just always save the context and then try to do the lazy save 20:16:05 maybe. 20:16:13 the big problem with the lazy save is it gets a lot harder to do when you have multiple cpus 20:16:23 because now it might be that the other cpu has your fp context 20:16:45 that's not really a big worry at this point :) 20:16:49 but thanks for the heads up 20:17:00 yeah, i finally just decied to save it all the time 20:17:07 --- quit: mrMister (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:17:08 but not at interrupt context, I just make sure the kernel doesn't use the fpu 20:17:16 but I do save it at the thread context switch 20:17:36 well blow me down 20:17:41 this seems to work 20:17:43 thanks a bunch 20:17:50 I wonder why the lazy save didn't. 20:18:41 well, this is sweet. 20:18:44 good 20:18:53 it means I can do this train tracking with floating point, and port libart :) 20:19:51 hrm, actually this doesn't quite seem to be stable 20:19:52 sigh 20:20:03 I should really have done ring level separation by now 20:20:13 and do interrupts properly 20:20:27 I suppose. Ididn't do multiple rings until much later 20:20:47 OTOH I have more pressing issues, I'd rather not tamper with significant portions of my kernel at this very moment 20:20:48 it really doesn't change all that much as far as low level stuff is concerned, if you designed it right from the get-go 20:20:53 yeah 20:21:00 it shouldn't be a big deal, but ... 20:21:20 if you're just learning, then you probably haven't done it right from the get-go. :) 20:21:25 I could improve my interrupt handling slightly 20:21:25 but that's part of the learning process 20:21:30 heh. probably not, no :) 20:21:47 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 20:21:55 this is mostly coursework based (although the kernel is wayyyyy beyond the necessary stuff) 20:22:02 ah 20:22:09 so it's not like I was sitting down with the intention of a beautiful portable kernel 20:22:14 it's for a RTOS course 20:22:29 but they usually just use segmentation, don't do malloc, etc. 20:22:54 our kernel is paged, uses the TSS (which really doesn't buy us much without the ring levels), and we have some other neat bells and whistles 20:23:27 the application is train tracking (of a rather imprecise model train), so that's really what I'm working on right now. 20:23:28 cool 20:23:37 but I thought I'd try and get floating point working, so I don't have to use silly fixed point. 20:23:41 heh, writing an os for that is pretty much overkill 20:23:56 oh yeah, for what you're doing just get it working, dont bother with stuff like lazy fp save 20:23:56 * sdt shrugs. it 20:24:05 heh 20:24:05 yeah 20:24:12 it just came out that way :) 20:24:15 I totally approve of the overkill solution, mind you 20:24:26 I did that all through college, it was fun 20:24:30 yeah 20:24:33 it's excellent 20:24:36 especially if you're on some big project that you have to present 20:24:53 I always totally slaughtered the other teams 20:24:53 we have newlib ported, and we have some fun stuff due to that 20:25:04 better to leak a bit ahead of time and demoralize them too 20:25:22 it was a lot of fun 20:25:27 heh 20:25:49 well, this course is pretty harsh 20:25:54 QNX is a byproduct of it :) 20:26:14 in what sense, of your OS? 20:26:46 QNX was started by some people who took the course, took their kernel (presumably rewrote it) and then started a company 20:26:56 they donated all the train equipment of the current track 20:27:46 which is kind of cool. 20:29:28 --- join: file (~file@mctn1-6970.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 20:31:43 --- join: mrMister (~andri@ti122110a080-6601.bb.online.no) joined #osdev 20:31:43 --- quit: mrMister_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:32:34 well, not clobbering eax on every interrupt 7 sure improved stability 20:34:42 --- join: wcstok_r (strtok_r@dialup-67.31.178.74.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) joined #osdev 20:35:25 heh 20:35:32 eax is totally overrated 20:35:58 we used to clobber ebx on every context switch 20:35:58 --- quit: mrMister (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:36:17 we didn't notice till like two months into the OS 20:36:44 --- join: mrMister (~andri@ti122110a080-6601.bb.online.no) joined #osdev 20:36:44 if your code is pic, then you'll see it pretty quickly 20:36:57 since ebx is used to hold the current relative location in the binary 20:37:23 heh 20:37:25 yup 20:37:40 damn now im distracted by the backlog of pink floyd videos i never knew existed. where to begin.... 20:37:43 --- quit: wcstok (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:37:53 --- nick: wcstok_r -> wcstok 20:37:54 --- quit: mrMister (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:39:47 * geist queues up Animals and gets to work 20:41:45 --- join: mrMister (~andri@ti122110a080-6601.bb.online.no) joined #osdev 20:41:53 --- quit: mrMister (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:42:39 --- join: mors (~mors@dhcp-128-107-158-50.cisco.com) joined #osdev 20:45:08 --- part: mors left #osdev 20:46:45 --- join: mrMister (~andri@ti122110a080-6601.bb.online.no) joined #osdev 20:46:52 hey fix your connection 20:47:43 --- quit: Kurt ("Leaving") 20:52:24 --- quit: mrMister ("gone") 20:55:28 --- quit: grrrrr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:06:09 doesnt C support nested multi-line comments? 21:07:06 no 21:07:53 eh? 21:08:25 arg 21:08:40 /* foo /* bar */ baz */ 21:09:06 syntax error =P 21:09:29 thats what i got 21:09:39 thought maybe the compiler was broke 21:14:38 c comments aren't nestable 21:19:23 thats really sad 21:23:14 it was designed when computers had like 4k of ram 21:23:41 while it's lame, it would have been a pretty serious luxury back then 21:26:12 well 21:26:25 its not all that difficult 21:27:15 well, it's not trivial 21:27:21 anyway, you can't nest 21:32:16 you can "nest" by putting #if 0 #endif around blocks of stuff 21:44:07 --- quit: newbs ("printf("%d\n", EOF);") 21:56:42 --- quit: wcstok () 22:02:51 --- quit: CrayT3E ("changing servers") 22:03:16 --- join: CrayT3E (~CrayT3E@finsler.math.uoa.gr) joined #osdev 22:17:10 splat 23:06:25 --- quit: CrayT3E (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 23:13:57 --- quit: file (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:51:21 --- join: Prophet__ (~Prophet@p50813DF8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 23:59:02 --- quit: Prophet_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/03.11.08