00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/03.12.12 00:01:39 --- join: witten (~witten@adsl-gte-la-216-86-199-140.mminternet.com) joined #osdev 00:45:35 dead channel 00:45:53 --- quit: Mathis (Remote closed the connection) 00:46:31 ok 00:48:08 what if threads (and their children) spawned from windows widgets were associated with the window and closing the window would wait X seconds before giving the user the option to kill all those threads and childrean 00:48:24 dead? never 00:48:26 :) 00:48:29 * kyelewis sings and dances 00:48:35 lalalalala... 00:48:42 and windows that need to create backgrounds threads, not associated with a window, should register them with the UI 00:49:41 what ya think? 00:50:12 this way the UI knows what each thread in the system does 00:51:09 and the user couldnt kill off threads that shouldnt be killed (ctrlaltdel in windows and killing off all processes cuz the user doesnt know what they do) 00:51:44 anyone? 00:53:54 hmm 00:54:12 and it could be used to do kewl UI stuff like displaying the CPU usage on each titlebar 00:55:32 the dock would have some way to access background tasks (window-less) 00:55:55 hmmness :) 00:56:14 see any flaws? 00:56:59 oh and keep in mind this is for brix so there are no processes 00:57:15 well that kinda depends on the final implimentation of it; not totally sure about the stuff that can't be killed 00:57:27 a web server is NOT a background thread, it has no thread at all unless serving a page 00:57:54 well 00:58:02 everything could be killed 00:58:18 --- join: codi (codacola@219-88-2-24.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #osdev 00:59:21 --- join: Mathis (~Mathias@pD9EAB4DC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 00:59:28 but there would be no "task manager" where u can go on a task killing spree 01:00:03 re 01:00:28 u just close window and if threads are running it displays a little progress bar until it times out at which time it displays a button to kill the threads 01:00:33 but 01:01:07 some threads could be bound to UI widgets that provide feedback and offer another method method of killing the tasks so the ui would ask u to use that method 01:01:34 say the window had a progress bar with a stop button which sets some flag that tells the thread to stop 01:01:47 this would be prefered over killing it 01:02:50 cuz killing stuff in an OS like brix can be bad 01:03:08 with the persistence and all 01:03:34 hmm 01:04:57 he's always talking about what will be, but he never says what is already done of it... 01:06:16 visionary 01:06:19 :) 01:06:23 :P 01:08:13 --- join: stief (~stief@213-136-25-66.adsl.bit.nl) joined #osdev 01:09:37 so what of it is already done? 01:10:24 http://brix-os.sourceforge.net/?p0=status 01:13:17 and in your own words? :-) 01:13:29 those ARE my own words 01:13:36 heh 01:15:49 the compiler can pretty much do anything C can with a few extra features that C lacks 01:16:04 but it can do unions or enumerated types 01:16:08 yet 01:16:18 and your OS? 01:17:04 the setup code is finished, the core does stuff 01:17:06 :) 01:17:47 * air is extremely tired and cant think right now 01:18:03 :P 01:18:04 go sleeping 01:18:23 the core has a bunch of code 01:18:30 but a lot of it is waiting 01:19:08 waiting for missing features which i think are no longer missing 01:19:33 but also waiting for the language to stabilize 01:19:54 the more code i write now means more code i have to update as the language changes 01:21:01 but the OS is the language so it must be perfect before the OS can be written 01:22:00 --- quit: raiche (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:26:45 perfect? 01:26:48 what is that? 01:27:01 the one true language 01:27:25 which will never exist 01:27:31 like the one true human 01:27:40 perfect is when you (mathis) drools at the site of it 01:27:42 lol 01:28:04 drool? cannot find that word in my dictionary... 01:28:05 perfect is when kyelewis drools at the site of it 01:28:18 it has a website? 01:28:21 ;) 01:28:21 perfect is when drools at the site of it 01:28:37 * kyelewis will never druel at the *site* of it 01:28:45 s/druel/drool/ 01:28:50 i might drool at the *sight* of it 01:28:54 what does drool mean? 01:28:56 pfft :) 01:29:26 Mathis: like a dog does when it sees food 01:29:43 when it sees food, it will run there and eat... 01:30:02 well, my dog doesnt drool but many dogs do 01:30:18 there was a movie with tom hanks and this dog 01:30:23 lol 01:30:30 that dog DROOLED 01:30:44 does drool mean "rolling on the floor" ? 01:30:48 like you when you think of a completed brix 01:30:58 actually, wait, no, confused with orgasm... sorry 01:30:59 kyelewis: :) 01:31:00 :) 01:31:10 ok 01:31:26 perfect is when has an orgasm at the sight of it 01:31:57 Mathis: understand now? 01:32:00 lol 01:32:08 aha 01:32:16 I will never "drool" then 01:32:20 well 01:32:26 drool != orgasm 01:32:31 you could maybe consider it a different type of drooling 01:32:32 ;) 01:32:41 aaaaaaaanyway 01:32:41 drooling from the other end :) 01:32:45 --- join: _PePs_ (~dieu@AAmiens-106-1-17-202.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 01:32:54 01:32:56 uh 01:33:01 you get the idea :) 01:33:02 heh 01:33:06
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01:33:15 yes 01:33:15 continue :) 01:33:19 I am asexual :-) 01:33:25 back to my excellent UI/thread model 01:33:30 did we forget to close a
? 01:33:36 i thought we closed sexual already 01:33:42 :P 01:33:49 Mathis: u know those women that are so attractive they turn gay men straight? 01:34:05 I dont know any of those 01:34:16 at work we have only fat ugly girls 01:34:17 otherwise mathis would be straight 01:34:19 brix would be like those women 01:34:22 russian-german ones 01:34:29 mega-asexual 01:35:01 witten: :) 01:35:24 ok 01:35:29 lol 01:35:39 lets all chip in and buy an attractive hooker for mathis 01:36:02 * kyelewis writes an IOS 01:36:03 uh 01:36:05 IOU even 01:36:06 I am a coder 01:36:09 I am asexual 01:36:10 writing an IOS might be more complicated 01:36:10 :-) 01:36:10 :P 01:36:16 http://getmathisagirl.org 01:36:21 u can donate there 01:36:25 hehe 01:36:33 i would laugh so hard if that domain existed ;) 01:36:34 and any attractive girls can donate services :) 01:36:37 :P 01:36:45 I don't think if someone had a spare girl, they would donate her 01:37:04 domain not found 01:37:13 well duh :P 01:37:18 but still 01:37:25 btw 01:37:25 * kyelewis will create a site at his server ;) 01:37:27 I am coder 01:37:31 ergo: I am ugy 01:37:34 lol, we just understood that 01:37:35 ergo: no girl likes me 01:37:40 you said it over and over 01:37:40 ergo: me == asexual 01:37:53 s/ugy/ugly 01:38:21 ergo: air will never write the perfect language ;-) 01:38:23 Mathis: thats why we are gonna get u a hooker 01:39:21 ok, i've added http://getmathisagirl.kts.id.au/ to my DNS ;) 01:39:26 but yer ugliness could cause the price of the hooker to go too high so we might have to get a cheaper (less attractive) hooker :) 01:40:03 no girl is attractive enough ;-) 01:40:32 witten: dont u have a gf? 01:40:39 witten: can u donate her services? :) 01:41:10 ok, there is a placeholder site 01:41:14 :P 01:41:43 kyelewis: doesnt work 01:41:47 air: yes, and hell no :P 01:41:49 yer dns iss low then ;) 01:41:52 s/iss/is/ 01:42:01 air: dig @ns1.everydns.net getmathisagirl.kts.id.au 01:42:06 uhh 01:42:42 wouldnt my dns only have entries for the id.au domain? 01:42:48 huh? 01:43:05 dosnt it go to yer dns servers for subdomains? 01:43:17 everydns handles dns for my sites 01:43:19 getmathisagirl.kts.id.au. 300 IN A 220.240.66.182 01:47:21 -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else 01:47:21 -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 01:47:31 seems, nichserv cannot rename me 01:47:35 ? 01:47:59 I havent identified my self with the password 01:48:14 so? 01:48:40 i thought someone else owned yer nick? 01:48:44 at other networks, I get renamed to Guest-number-number-number-... 01:48:48 right, me too 01:49:10 but seems that NickServ doesnt really protect 01:49:14 02:48 NOTICE Registered: 12 weeks 6 days (0h 6m 1s) ago 01:49:21 02:48 NOTICE Last Seen Address: ~luc@lns-th2-7-82-64-216-167.adsl.proxad.net 01:49:25 Mathis: well, it does 01:49:32 if you're not identified, people can tell :P 01:49:50 and the person who owns the nick can ghost u 01:49:54 and if that person comes back, they can /msg nickserv ghost and you're outa there : 01:49:56 so there :P 01:50:00 seems I can use this nick until he decides to return... 01:50:07 yes 01:50:16 then I am underscored again... 01:50:17 ppl use my nick 01:50:46 i ask them to please change nicks before i ghost em tho 01:52:12 Mathis: go ask an oper what the nick expiration period is 01:52:34 Mathis: then set a reminder on that day and register the nick 01:52:42 I dont know any oper 01:52:51 in a year from now :) 01:52:58 lilo 01:52:59 :P 01:53:03 lilo's never here 01:53:05 dmwaters 01:53:37 dmwaters is away 01:53:40 sleeping 01:53:49 join #freenode 01:54:07 they have stolen my voice... 01:54:07 whois em all and message the ones that are opers 01:54:15 hehe 01:54:29 them all?!? 01:54:34 ya 01:54:38 ugh throttling annoys me 01:55:16 yer client should say something like " is an irc operator" 01:55:37 I can see that in my nicklist, who is op, and who not 01:55:41 they'll have staff.freenode as a hostname too :P 01:55:42 no 01:55:45 Mathis: no 01:55:48 not an oper in the chan 01:55:48 no? 01:55:50 thats channel op 01:55:50 hum 01:56:02 irc ops have the power to remove u from the network 01:56:08 not just the channel 01:56:10 I should really start up my own IRC network :-) 01:56:27 hehe 01:56:29 join buzzpot ;) 01:56:34 * kyelewis advertises ;) 01:56:43 you know 01:56:49 in this time, you could have visited freenode.net 01:56:52 and read the FAQ :) 01:56:57 10 times 01:57:01 or thereabouts 01:57:38 where you could have seen the following: 01:57:40 "When do IRC nicks and channels expire? We consider IRC nicks expired after 60 days without use. We consider IRC channels expired after 120 days without use. We periodically drop expired channels and nicks in a large run, designed to clean out the databases. But those mass runs only drop nicks which are unused for at least 120 days. We drop nicks which are older than 60 days on an individual basis, either on reque 01:57:40 st or when we notice them. If a channel owner's nick is dropped, the channel is dropped along with it. " 01:58:02 * kyelewis advertises irc.buzzpot.net 01:58:08 perfect opportunity, so kennyt would say ;) 01:58:51 60 days? 01:59:21 12*7 = 84 days 02:01:27 i think he meant his network 02:01:34 uh 02:01:45 no, i mean freenode... as i said, from the FAQ at freenode.net 02:02:00 or maybe because YOU are USING the nick it wont expire 02:02:08 it's not automatic 02:02:17 you have to ask a staffer 02:02:31 it cannot expire if noone identifies him/herself 02:02:42 I mean, it MUST expire 02:02:54 Mathis: ask a staffer like he said 02:03:06 before that I will check freenode.net 02:03:06 send an email to the address on the website 02:03:26 probably better than spamming messages to all the staffers 02:03:31 staff@freenode.net 02:03:36 heh, well :P 02:04:18 i'll ask if there are any awake staffers on #freenode if you like 02:04:28 sure, why not 02:04:45 btw, could u ask them to expire the bick "abi" while they're at it? 02:04:51 hehe 02:04:51 nick 02:05:19 thats ABI and not air 02:05:26 lol 02:06:32 that nick was registered for a bot but the bot never identified and they expired it 02:06:50 the bot had the nick since OPN first began 02:07:19 anyway, night 02:07:27 uh, night :P 02:07:32 what time is it there? 02:07:41 http://getmathisagirl.kts.id.au/php/frontpage.php/ <--- in development ;) 02:07:41 0300 02:07:50 (you can tell i am very bored :P) 02:07:54 hehe 02:07:58 hehe 02:08:34 s'a good excuse to test the stability of newsphpeek2-a3 02:08:36 i will look tomorrow when after it propogates 02:08:42 :P 02:09:10 i hate cached DNS ;) 02:12:37 --- join: kriptox__ (~fork@AToulouse-103-1-2-48.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 02:23:06 http://getmathisagirl.kts.id.au/php/ is advancing 02:23:08 ;) 02:25:31 unknown host... 02:26:12 then your dns is slow too :p 02:26:15 seems noone is answering your request, kyelewis 02:27:00 actually the page is just a good excuse to test the newest release of newsphpeek :P 02:29:33 --- quit: kriptox_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:31:19 How do you know the last time a nick or channel was used? Your nick is marked as "in use" when you identify yourself to NickServ. If you don't identify, we'll have no way to know that your nick is in use, and it will eventually be dropped. Similarly, channels are marked as "in use" when a channel staff member visits the channel after identifying themselves to NickServ. If you don't identify to NickServ, we won't know your channel is in use. 02:31:21 the same stuff powers getmathisagirl.kts.id.au as does conduet.org, just a later version 02:31:23 there it is 02:31:42 Mathis: thanks for that... the point of that was? 02:31:51 because of my nick 02:31:57 ? 02:32:00 and when it is dropped 02:32:26 i already knew that it wasn't considered "in use" when someone doesn't identify 02:32:26 above they said 60 days after last use, they drop it, right? 02:33:29 so theoretically they should have dropped the registration of that nick 02:33:38 it's not automatic, i told you that :P 02:33:39 but practically it is still registered 02:33:53 and the site also tells you that 02:33:58 right 02:35:43 ah, I have to wait 120 days 02:36:54 so I have to ask manually... 02:37:09 as opposed to asking automatically? :P 02:37:19 mass/msg'ing ;-) 02:51:37 hmm, my chest muscles still hurt 02:51:46 from workout 2 days before 02:56:38 --- join: karingo (karingo@160.portland-04-05rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #osdev 03:00:01 --- quit: Prophet__ (Client Quit) 03:16:58 --- join: kdehl (~madman@as3-2-3.sgp.lk.bonet.se) joined #osdev 03:26:38 --- quit: Mathis (Client Quit) 03:27:02 --- join: Mathis (~Mathias@pD9EAB4DC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:31:20 --- nick: codi -> codacola 04:33:16 --- quit: asm ("Leaving") 04:34:54 --- nick: codacola -> code_monk 04:39:04 --- quit: Mathis (Client Quit) 04:43:29 --- join: ree_ (~jwm@ns.fasthost.net) joined #osdev 04:44:41 --- join: Schutsch (~nihil@p213.54.248.73.tisdip.tiscali.de) joined #osdev 04:48:30 --- quit: ree (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:49:31 --- quit: cytenic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:54:20 --- quit: thc ("bye bye") 04:54:40 --- join: thc (who@pD9538B77.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 04:56:38 --- join: {_VaMp_} (~hades@rdis.esec-manuel-fonseca.rcts.pt) joined #osdev 04:57:49 --- nick: {_VaMp_} -> RedHate 05:00:27 kyelewis: 05:00:29 still there? 05:00:36 GRRRRRRRRRRRRR 05:00:40 GRGRGRGRGRGERGAGRGAGRGAGROGINGOIENGOIEGN 05:00:51 I AM JUST SUCH FRUSTRATED :( 05:01:28 why ? 05:01:34 SUCH=SO ? 05:02:22 what ever 05:02:34 ok, why you are frustrated ? 05:02:39 can i help ? 05:02:40 we had that damn critique in the arts class 05:02:49 hehehe 05:02:54 anyways 05:03:07 i hate the damn art critic jibberish the teacher talked 05:03:10 what he did ? 05:03:17 it's just SHIT. nothing 05:03:20 criticise your work ? 05:03:28 she did not say much at all 05:03:34 she's been dissing me all day 05:03:50 pisses off. frustrating to do stuff which dont get any comments really 05:04:19 i makes me think why the hell am i doing this stuff i dislike so much if i dont even get any comments 05:04:37 and i hate doing it also because i suck in copying realism 05:04:39 is it possible for your computer to do this ? 05:05:00 ok, painting photographs is boring... 05:05:12 i doubt you will want to sacrafice 31" flat monitor to paint on it with acrylic colours 05:05:33 well if it was copying photographs, then it'd be mechanical 05:05:38 but having human models 05:05:55 not that i'd have anything against that ... but i do have 05:06:03 1. it's such traditional 05:06:40 the teacher praised for the traditional following stuff and i've noticed that there are certain teachers who like and comment a whole lot more those pictures which try to copy reality 05:07:09 there is one very skilled drawer in my class, which gets lots of praises from certain teachers, no matter how messy the contents were 05:07:11 isn't 23" enough (my flat screen) 05:07:20 60x80 cm 05:07:39 hmm, how much does it cost to print that in a photoshop 05:07:46 no you cant print 05:07:49 we paint 05:07:53 i was being ironic 05:08:10 ok, ok 05:08:16 there are some A2 wide scroll printers at least at photography faculty 05:08:17 you have stupid stuff to do 05:08:23 weee... errr.. A1 wide 05:08:37 it's damn required course 05:08:39 and i can't help 05:08:52 the damn critiques are rarely useful 05:08:55 why ? couldn't you chose music ? 05:09:07 (i did) 05:09:09 uhhuh? 05:09:13 study music? 05:09:38 * mur looks at Schutsch 05:10:53 study ? 05:11:05 no, only play piano in my free time 05:11:09 i'am still in school 05:11:13 ah, you have to study that 05:11:22 i didn't understand 05:11:34 i am going to study physik 05:12:32 bah 05:12:41 i'm studying graphical design in univeristy 05:12:43 keep polite 05:12:57 modified echo : buh ! 05:13:07 and no, i see piano maybe most traditional instruyment 05:13:13 it's nothing wrong to play 05:13:25 but most people who play, just copy notes on paper, it's just... 05:13:28 i cant stand such 05:13:39 i dont see points in it. it's not creative. 05:13:43 you can think of it as you want 05:13:50 i do not care too much 05:14:02 i haven't blamed you 05:14:23 my sister also plays piano 05:14:24 but you should think about it...i doubt your thoughts are complete in this area 05:14:29 i just said i see it traditional 05:14:48 it doesn't have to. 05:14:49 in my view in arts improvisation and creatvitiy are very important 05:14:50 it can 05:14:54 that is what creates it 05:15:04 anyone can copy but new ideas can't be copied but invented 05:15:08 and this is not possible with a piano ? 05:15:20 it is 05:15:25 as i isadi on first row 05:15:30 or something like that 05:15:34 but what i isaid 05:15:41 that: i dislike copying 05:15:42 --- join: Mathis (~Mathias@pD9EAB4DC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:15:44 i doubt you last sentence, because i experienced new ideas as 99% combined old ideas ! 05:15:47 playing from notes is copying 05:15:53 it is like colouring colouringbook 05:15:53 re 05:15:59 hi Mathis 05:16:00 it's just ..... 05:16:05 hi Schutsch 05:16:19 --- quit: Gila (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:16:25 new ideas must come somewhere, it is not always visible 05:16:41 but if most of your new ideas are combined old ideas... maybe you are not very creative then 05:17:01 combining existing thoughts to new is just one way of thinking 05:17:10 thinking method 05:17:12 that i mean 05:17:24 this is an illusion ! 05:17:45 traditional arts such as painting nudemodel and playing piano from notes are only for me usable if i see some benefit in them 05:17:51 at the momoent i dont see.. 05:18:00 they are only good to get started 05:18:16 being musical has nothing to do with how well you know notes and how to play them 05:18:27 or knowing any composer or artist 05:37:16 --- join: schutsch2 (~nihil@p213.54.196.111.tisdip.tiscali.de) joined #osdev 05:52:15 --- quit: Schutsch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:04:23 --- join: gila (~gila@cc16711-a.delfz1.gr.home.nl) joined #osdev 06:05:52 --- join: raiche (~K@h173n2fls31o865.telia.com) joined #osdev 06:15:54 --- quit: jwesley ("ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031007]") 06:18:20 --- join: jwesley (~jwesley@adsl-155-139-10.mem.bellsouth.net) joined #osdev 06:18:25 --- quit: I440r ("work...") 06:31:01 --- join: wl (philipp@pD9E2D174.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 06:34:35 --- join: WouteZZ (WouteZZ@node1352d.a2000.nl) joined #osdev 06:34:40 hi all 06:35:04 hi 06:35:16 hi mur 06:35:30 pilote - turtle is interestiong. nice and peaceful 06:38:13 --- join: Ceil (~CP@pD9038CD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #osdev 06:43:46 --- quit: Ceil ("leaving") 06:45:18 --- quit: synthesis () 06:46:32 --- quit: code_monk ("quitting") 06:47:39 --- join: asiammyself (asiammysel@washdc3-ar10-4-41-178-008.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net) joined #osdev 06:57:38 --- join: I440r (~mark4@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #osdev 07:05:37 --- quit: RedHate () 07:07:47 --- quit: asiammyself () 07:08:52 --- join: tele (~yuriz@a243t27.elisa.omakaista.fi) joined #osdev 07:12:17 hi tele 07:12:21 --- quit: WouteZZ ("http://www.euro-os.tk/") 07:12:35 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:13:01 --- quit: thc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:13:08 teletubbie :) 07:14:42 --- nick: tele -> yuriz 07:17:02 hello 07:20:35 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 07:30:23 --- join: ere (~ere@sos-dhcp293.studby.uio.no) joined #osdev 07:32:18 --- quit: unreal (Nick collision from services.) 07:32:24 --- join: unreal (unreal@unreal.usercloak.freenode) joined #osdev 07:34:01 I'm working on a small filesystem, for floppies. I see that in many other designs the root directory has a special entry in the metadata, why not reserve inode 0 for the root dir? 07:34:28 --- join: demise (~KSx_@c-bc4272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 07:38:00 gn 07:38:01 errr 07:38:02 cya 07:38:04 not gn :) 07:38:19 bye mur. 07:43:47 --- join: cytenic (cytenic@p5091398A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 07:51:15 --- quit: stief ("Client exiting") 07:53:19 --- join: Patrick_W (~nobody@voltaire.resnet.mtu.edu) joined #osdev 07:53:48 elvstone: Shut up! 08:09:36 --- quit: ree_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:10:11 --- join: ree_ (~jwm@ns.fasthost.net) joined #osdev 08:13:04 --- quit: schutsch2 () 08:13:23 --- quit: Mathis (Remote closed the connection) 08:19:19 --- quit: _PePs_ (Remote closed the connection) 08:19:53 --- join: asiammyself (asiammysel@washdc3-ar10-4-41-178-008.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net) joined #osdev 08:33:04 --- part: asiammyself left #osdev 08:34:40 --- quit: ere (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:37:40 --- join: ere (~ere@sos-dhcp293.studby.uio.no) joined #osdev 08:39:30 --- join: _PePs_ (~dieu@AAmiens-106-1-17-202.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 08:43:42 --- join: Mathis (~Mathias@pD9EAB4DC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 08:44:21 re 08:45:14 --- join: asiammyself (asiammysel@washdc3-ar10-4-41-178-008.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net) joined #osdev 08:45:21 --- quit: asiammyself (Excess Flood) 08:45:26 --- join: asiammyself (asiammysel@washdc3-ar10-4-41-178-008.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net) joined #osdev 08:45:37 --- part: asiammyself left #osdev 08:52:36 --- join: thc (who@pD9538DC6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 09:09:00 --- join: stanv (~stanv@robust.ippe.ru) joined #osdev 09:09:03 hi! 09:09:51 i can't understand OsKit :( 09:10:12 How it uses ? 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12:42:43 rum! 12:42:44 hey Robert, df 12:42:49 hey mur! 12:42:52 mur ltns! 12:42:58 * kyelewis looks at mur 12:42:59 i've been looking for you 12:43:03 * mur is lost :( 12:43:33 so much stuff.. confusing to think, so i haven't thought things at all 12:43:41 which is not best for long term mental health 12:44:01 :P 12:45:17 !!! 12:45:19 r! 12:46:23 ri! 12:46:25 hey hey 12:46:47 Hoi, Rico! 12:46:51 brb 12:46:52 Hoi, Robert! 12:47:03 hos 12:47:04 Now I just need miro in here and it will be like the old days. 12:47:13 Hehe 12:47:17 Invite him ;) 12:47:39 I doubt he wants to connect to freenode :) 12:47:47 Bah 12:47:59 Then come to oftc and play with him 12:48:02 If you're not already there 12:48:12 that's an option 12:49:58 oftc is for whiny wussies 12:51:05 I hate you. 12:51:48 Robert: you oftc ircop nowdays? 12:51:52 oftc? 12:51:52 * Rico humps ree 12:52:51 No 12:52:59 df: An IRC net.. 12:53:06 --- join: Dr_Evil (DSLflat@p508FFAEC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 12:53:16 df: Those guy who used to be Freenoders, but started their own thing because they hate lilo 12:53:43 ahahaha 12:54:10 i sometimes hit ircnet.. havntbeen on effnet in yeeeears.. i dont do 'other' nets.. never know where they been ;) 12:54:14 so much hate 12:54:19 heh 12:56:39 df: Hrrm.. 13:00:33 it seems like everyone who moved to oftc has some sort of issue 13:00:45 ? 13:01:04 --- join: Ceil (~CP@pD9038C82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #osdev 13:08:57 --- quit: Odin- ("What if you were unable to wake from that dream?") 13:13:11 --- quit: yuriz ("zZzZ") 13:16:06 do the ATA designers constantly change their standard or something? 13:16:47 should I detect which ata release the disk has? 13:16:52 yes they add new revisions 13:17:06 ok 13:17:14 but do they change the information sent in the older releases? 13:17:17 its not so much disk but chipset 13:17:20 like the identify disk command 0xEC 13:17:56 I've read different pdfs, but they show different data sent with the same command 13:17:56 if your chipset only does ata-33, your ata-100 disk only does ata-33 then. 13:18:23 oks 13:18:24 thanks 13:19:06 if your chipset does up to ata133 and your disk does ata-100, then it'll only be ata-100 13:19:12 * file thought he'd throw that in to confuse somebody 13:19:35 yeah 13:20:11 whatever is highest supported by both. 13:20:33 --- join: _PePs__ (~dieu@AAmiens-106-1-22-173.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 13:20:56 the chipset is the same, that answerd my question 13:21:03 answerd/answered 13:21:04 :) 13:23:12 hi 13:23:16 hi 13:23:26 anyone experienced in booting freebsd with bochs? 13:23:28 hey tirloni 13:23:33 ree: hey there =) 13:23:38 ltns :) 13:23:48 yeah, but my experience happend several years back 13:24:11 I created my own image with bximage and did all the tricks (installed boot sectors, disklabel'ed, newfs, copied kernel, sh and init..) 13:24:20 I get 'stack underflow' from the loader 13:24:25 before it loads the kernel 13:24:46 then it loads it and hangs when it tries to run it 13:25:05 which version are you using? 13:25:17 5.2-beta (-current) 13:25:23 hehe 13:25:29 could be the reason (beta) 13:25:30 --- quit: _PePs_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:25:47 ah, dunno.. it's more stable than -release nowadays =) 13:25:59 I had a lot of trouble finding a proper version 13:26:06 i need to figure out the stack underflow thing first 13:26:17 but this was back then just after the project changed hands 13:26:21 bochs is fucked. dont use it. 13:26:29 bochs? 13:26:30 5.1 is current 13:26:36 hmm 13:26:43 Bochs is..great! In bochs things work that won't work IRL :P 13:26:43 ohh, sorry 13:26:50 for the technology release 13:26:54 I thought we were talking about grub hah 13:26:56 4.8 is production release 13:27:03 got vmware3 installed.. havent played yet 13:27:09 I am seriously out of it 13:27:14 virtutech have said that their open-source program for simics has been put on hold :/ 13:27:19 file: I've been using it since 4.0-release.. I knwo what I'm doing (more or less) :) 13:27:27 ree: lol 13:27:33 bochs is oretty useless. 13:27:36 pretty 13:27:55 hmm, I have no opinions about it right now 13:27:57 vmware better? 13:28:03 hehe, infinitely 13:28:10 vmware, virtualpc, simics 13:28:21 bochs is childsplay 13:28:30 simics good :P 13:28:34 except with nice debugging :) 13:28:35 I'll look for virtualpc and simics.. I didnt know them 13:29:00 cool, none are in the freebsd ports tree ;) 13:29:03 makes my life easier 13:29:03 hehe 13:29:08 lol 13:29:14 commercial 13:29:20 for simics, uni students can get an academic licence 13:29:25 ugh 13:29:28 simics is all about licensing 13:29:35 bochs kicks ass then ;) 13:29:44 not really 13:29:46 and possibly for open source projects, depending on what they decide in the future 13:29:53 if you don't mind paying for quality software 13:30:11 i'm waiting for their response re my latest email to them 13:30:34 uhm.. I will a bit more with bochs first. next step is vmware 13:30:38 but thanks for the hints 13:30:59 --- quit: cytenic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:31:59 --- quit: Ceil ("leaving") 13:34:55 any french, germans, russians or canucks in here? 13:35:41 * kyelewis looks at air 13:35:45 i wanna know why u guys think america should give u guys money to help rebuild iraq when u sat on yer ass and didnt support us? 13:35:46 heya air :) 13:35:55 air: shut up right now 13:36:03 im serious 13:36:11 me too 13:36:17 no ppl are politics here 13:36:24 or geist will... will... rock you 13:36:28 lol 13:36:28 hehe 13:36:39 we have no power, the politicans have 13:36:42 oh, and heya geist 13:36:46 look, just lets keep this channel free of that 13:36:55 agreed, stfu 13:37:01 yeah 13:37:07 :) 13:37:17 lets keep the chat on topic 13:37:25 ree, have you played nethack=? 13:37:25 hah 13:37:31 you know, about video games and .. 13:37:35 how is that on topic lol? 13:37:38 aaaaaaanyway :P 13:37:52 unless perhaps you're making an OS based on one particular game or something 13:37:59 let's talk only about the same subjects as the random quotes at http://www.qzx.com/osdev 13:38:04 air knows 90% of people in here and on freeload are foreign :) 13:38:05 off topic is fine, but political stuff is not 13:38:14 that's the ultimate troll 13:38:51 --- join: Odin- (~sbkhh@adsl-2-216.du.snerpa.is) joined #osdev 13:39:00 hmm 13:39:00 "methinks we need a networking one :)" 13:39:02 Hey 13:39:12 troll os 13:39:12 lets talk only about the subject of random quote which ended up there 13:39:15 so we should have a quiz? which is what my random comment referred to :P 13:39:25 he who doesnt care how his country is run should be shot 13:39:27 it throws random political questions on the screen then when you try to answer it reboots 13:39:45 i know, i know... lets stay ontopic to: 13:39:45 "hint: ~~~t~m~~t ~f ~~~~or~~~" 13:39:47 :) 13:39:49 :) 13:39:55 os development 13:40:05 hmm 13:40:10 what *was* the answer to that one again :P 13:40:11 i tried to start an osdev conversation last night, no one joined in 13:40:11 kyelewis: talk about "methinks we need a networking one :)" 13:40:18 so now im starting a politcal one 13:40:18 air, what about the new democratic nominee (or hopeful) 13:40:22 he's a fucking asshole 13:40:43 bush is rebupicli? 13:40:43 I'd vote for bish before 13:40:59 i'd vote to have bush executed 13:41:02 argh! 13:41:04 hmmm weird 13:41:06 lol 13:41:07 <-- working on network os 13:41:07 no politican... 13:41:09 :P 13:41:15 ree, no more AI project? 13:41:24 it's part of the same project 13:41:28 hmmm 13:41:28 * kyelewis puts up a sign "no politics" 13:41:35 * kyelewis points to the sign 13:41:43 but i have to agree with him on not awarding contracts to those llama countries that didnt support us 13:41:48 kyelewis: do you have exit sign at your bottom? ;) 13:41:59 * kyelewis looks at mur 13:42:04 * kyelewis sighs loudly 13:42:18 * mur looks at kyelewis 13:42:24 * mur winks eye 13:42:43 * kyelewis gets a large trout bearing a striking resemblance to george bush 13:42:59 * kyelewis slaps mur around a bit with that trout 13:43:03 * kyelewis puts the trout away 13:43:33 howard dean 13:43:36 that is the guys name 13:43:38 no meat please 13:43:42 racist freak 13:44:00 * kyelewis sets mode #osdev -politics 13:44:08 retard and howard have 50% in common 13:44:15 heh 13:44:17 (chars) 13:44:27 goddamnit 13:44:28 --- join: newbs (newbs@ts1-illavl108.shawneelink.net) joined #osdev 13:44:29 fuck this 13:44:29 he promotes the confederate flag and talks up the "white race" 13:44:30 --- part: geist left #osdev 13:44:35 heh 13:44:46 al gore is endorsing him! 13:44:56 well, you drove geist away... how do you feel? 13:45:05 bush and intelligence have 0% in common 13:45:14 hmm 13:45:19 I feel the pen is mightier than the sword 13:45:27 and bush is only 3rd of intelligence's lenght 13:45:28 and I just penciled out geist! 13:45:31 mur: what about bush and smart? 13:45:31 * frank if (anythingtodowithpoltics){ kick(nickname)... 13:45:43 syntax error 13:45:44 Tsss.. 13:45:48 :P 13:45:51 No, frank 13:45:52 premature end of line reached 13:46:07 Saying mean things about GWB isn't politics. 13:46:10 if (mur) { kick(mur) } 13:46:10 :) 13:46:11 It's just...natural. 13:46:13 lol 13:46:28 * kyelewis adds in a ; 13:46:32 * mur is false 13:46:36 You made geist leave.. :-( 13:46:48 Robert: you didn't stop us :P 13:46:54 Heh. 13:46:55 if (mur or !mur) { kick(mur); } 13:47:00 I can't watch you all the time, kids 13:47:02 syntax error 13:47:04 :P 13:47:07 beat that one mur :P 13:47:11 it's more annoying not to have osdev talk here anyway 13:47:15 so bye guys :) 13:47:20 --- part: ree left #osdev 13:47:45 hmmm 13:47:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +o frank 13:48:07 i should left too to keep the pattern 13:48:41 mur: heh 13:48:52 the "pattern"? 13:48:57 --- part: air left #osdev 13:49:01 hehe 13:49:03 --- join: air (~brand@c-24-10-199-222.client.comcast.net) joined #osdev 13:49:06 j/k :) 13:49:09 lol 13:49:10 *g* :) 13:49:15 you broke the pattern! Nooooo 13:49:23 now you must make geist and ree come back 13:49:29 lol 13:49:31 ok 13:49:39 --- mode: ChanServ set +o air 13:49:47 --- mode: air set -o air 13:49:48 --- join: ree (~jwm@ns.fasthost.net) joined #osdev 13:49:52 heh 13:49:55 :P 13:50:00 im good 13:50:04 heh 13:50:07 is that magic? 13:50:15 irritating dad 13:50:16 --- join: bekirrr (onurr@62.29.52.89) joined #osdev 13:50:19 wants me to go to bed soon 13:50:23 this is black magic chan 13:50:25 I suppose he does not understand I'm coding 13:50:26 frank: shoot him 13:50:39 frank: /ignore him 13:50:46 rather 5 years parents than 50 years jail 13:51:01 jail is good 13:51:08 jail house rock 13:51:12 free food, free internet 13:51:17 is bad if you listen to jail house heavy metal 13:51:18 free internet? 13:51:18 free housing 13:51:21 how fast? 13:51:23 free education 13:51:29 free internet, you're nuts :D 13:51:29 ree: That was quicl :) 13:51:32 oc12 13:51:33 quick 13:51:37 omg 13:51:42 where are you from? 13:51:49 not from here obviously 13:52:01 There is only tv and free food here 13:52:04 america, we treat our prisoners like kings 13:52:12 lol 13:52:29 don't you mean queens? 13:52:31 everyone who goes to jail comes out as millionaire 13:52:40 hehe 13:52:41 (after drugsales) 13:52:41 ree is such a meanie. 13:52:42 and dont forget the free sex 13:52:55 might be up the ass but ... 13:53:22 monks betternot commit crimes 13:56:12 --- join: gianluca (~glguida@ppp-113-133.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 14:08:56 anyone know how to view or convert powerpoint files in linux without kpresenter or openoffice? 14:09:59 air: You want to convert ppt files to pdf or ps, without using the only two ppt readers there are for linux? :-D 14:10:11 yes :) 14:10:14 lol 14:10:43 i dont wanna install kde or that oo bloated beast 14:10:48 powerpoint inside of wine? 14:10:54 just to view a damn ppt file 14:11:05 wine is also not an option 14:11:08 use parents box? 14:11:26 can google convert them with just a link to the file? 14:11:26 nm that 14:11:28 you can use google to convert it 14:11:32 --- join: kyelewis_lap (~Kye@dsl-182.66.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) joined #osdev 14:11:36 i know google has conversion tools 14:11:37 google supports ppt -> html 14:11:45 --- part: kyelewis left #osdev 14:12:50 perhaps, try google help? 14:13:19 --- nick: kyelewis_lap -> kyelewis 14:14:26 of course you could send it to someone and they could convert it for you 14:14:37 air: I can convert it with OoO for you. 14:15:29 thanks, but i come across a lot of them and need to find a way to do it myself 14:16:02 --- join: witten (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 14:16:14 welcome witten :) 14:17:01 --- quit: frank ("Left") 14:17:48 ok 14:18:09 i searched for the exact url on google and it converted the file 14:18:21 Cool. 14:18:24 dunno if it would do it for files it hadnt already found 14:18:25 I've never found a powerpoint presentation that was educational in any way 14:18:37 ree: neither have i 14:18:47 ree: They were probably pretty poorly done then. 14:18:55 it's always slides 14:19:03 * kyelewis agrees with Patrick_W 14:19:04 and slides constitute 4 sentences usually 14:19:08 but these are from LtU so im hoping they are good 14:19:13 those are the sucky ones :P 14:19:21 air: we can hope :P 14:19:27 well... you can... :P 14:19:27 what I am saying is that you can always find more and possibly _better_ information just as easily 14:19:29 ree: They should have pictures and diagrams too. 14:20:55 'emerge gnome' is such fun, especially when you need xfree also. 14:21:12 * Patrick_W counts dots on the ceiling. 14:21:21 haha 14:21:22 heh 14:21:39 Patrick_W: thats why i dont wanna install kpresenter or OO 14:21:57 oo doesn't take too long if you have the bandwidth. 14:22:12 what if u have 450mhz? 14:22:16 hehe 14:22:19 'course I've always done rpm install of oo. 14:22:24 air was talking about processor speed, not line 14:22:45 graphical oo tech is dog awfully slow 14:22:57 er, oss 14:23:03 uhh 14:23:30 kyelewis: thanks 14:23:35 heh 14:23:38 delayed reaction :) 14:23:41 yah 14:23:43 busy at work 14:24:24 ,clear 14:24:30 ;) 14:24:32 heh 14:24:36 ohh, sorry, was offended by the words busy and work 14:24:41 heh 14:24:47 Downloading 1gig of rpms is such a blast to. 14:24:47 ;) 14:24:54 Especially over vpn. 14:24:59 i know that m$ stole, and patented, xaml from mozilla but did they really call it chrome? 14:27:16 --- quit: HeavyJoost (":q!") 14:27:38 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 14:30:13 --- join: HeavyJoost (~heavyjoos@ditwilookwel.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 14:30:56 --- quit: demise ("ops, the red button again.") 14:34:41 --- quit: ere (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:37:12 --- join: ere (~ere@sos-dhcp293.studby.uio.no) joined #osdev 14:42:47 --- quit: bekirrr () 14:46:05 --- quit: HeavyJoost (":q!") 14:48:35 --- join: HeavyJoost (~heavyjoos@ditwilookwel.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 14:54:51 --- quit: kyelewis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:54:55 --- quit: HeavyJoost (":q!") 14:55:46 --- join: kyelewis (~Kye@dsl-182.66.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) joined #osdev 14:56:55 --- join: HeavyJoost (~heavyjoos@ditwilookwel.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 15:00:15 --- quit: wl ("Quit") 15:05:39 --- join: wcstok (strtok_r@cras74p191.navix.net) joined #osdev 15:11:31 --- quit: df ("syntax: ja matte ne!") 15:23:28 --- quit: oeck (Client Quit) 15:29:14 eh, dimwit's been around for long 15:29:20 never seem hinm 15:29:26 --- quit: Dr_Evil () 15:29:31 --- quit: ere (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:31:38 gn 15:31:45 mur: dimwit hangs out on irc.gimp.org #lug and #lugquiz 15:32:29 ok 15:32:32 thanks 15:32:37 zzzz 15:41:03 --- quit: HeavyJoost (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:41:23 --- join: HeavyJoost (~heavyjoos@ditwilookwel.xs4all.nl) joined #osdev 15:43:41 --- join: pengo (xtofu@p94-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 15:46:14 --- quit: newbs (Client Quit) 15:58:17 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 15:59:29 --- join: codi (codacola@219-88-2-14.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #osdev 15:59:41 --- quit: _PePs__ ("Fermeture du client") 15:59:52 is there a special kind of descriptor for the stack segment or is it jsut a data segment? 16:00:30 its just a data segment 16:00:32 data segment, can be expand down or up 16:00:54 typically it is down vs a reg data which is up 16:01:02 alright, explains why i couldnt find anything on it 16:01:30 what difference does it make, given that wonderful flat model everybody likes so much 16:02:24 would there be any use for a 16 bit code descriptor? 16:02:29 well, the difference is one expands down the other expands up 16:02:34 :P 16:02:42 yes, to reenter 16bit mode 16:03:15 --- quit: gianluca ("Leaving") 16:03:38 alright, thanks, seem to have all teh descriptors i need now 16:04:54 just entering pmode codi? 16:05:25 --- nick: kyelewis -> \a 16:05:26 nope, still gotta enable a20 gate, and wanna have an idt before going into pmode 16:05:34 --- nick: \a -> a\a 16:05:56 you might want to look at grub 16:05:58 --- nick: a\a -> \d 16:06:05 nah, it's good to learn the basics codi 16:06:10 --- nick: \d -> kyelewis 16:06:32 ignore fancy boot loaders until you decide if you want one 16:06:59 im jsut doing this as a learning experence so wanna do everything from scratch 16:07:17 --- quit: HeavyJoost (":q!") 16:07:20 it's important to start from scratch imo 16:07:30 especially if you are attempting to do something radical :) 16:07:46 well now i understand whats in a segment, wouldnt if i hadnt of built the gdt myself 16:07:56 yep 16:08:12 plus this is tiny compared to even a tiny kernel 16:08:13 I think it is an important learning step for any osdever 16:08:18 exactly 16:08:19 you still have to build a gdt and idt even with grub 16:08:26 tops a week of work 16:09:05 anyways thanks, bbl 16:09:08 --- quit: codi ("quitting") 16:09:56 --- join: asm (~asm@dsl-082-082-149-093.arcor-ip.net) joined #osdev 16:10:28 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-160.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #osdev 16:10:46 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:23:40 --- join: Zenton (~vicente@8.Red-80-34-35.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #osdev 16:45:30 --- quit: kyelewis (Connection reset by peer) 16:45:39 --- join: kyelewis2 (~Kye@dsl-182.66.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) joined #osdev 16:46:29 mornin' dudes. 16:46:32 i hate programming 16:51:55 --- nick: kyelewis2 -> kyelewis 16:52:06 --- join: Prophet_ (~Prophet@pD9E4961F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 16:54:31 :P 16:54:36 heya Boney 16:54:56 s'only *just* morning :P 16:55:03 s'amlost afternoon 16:55:05 :) 16:58:58 heh. yeah. 16:59:08 I got up a while ago. but I just finnished breakfast. 16:59:11 heh 16:59:15 a while ago == ? :) 16:59:32 Um. just after 10. 16:59:50 talked to a mate on IRC for a bit. then went out to get milk. 16:59:51 i assume you didn't start eating breakfast straight away then :P 16:59:54 heh 17:00:05 then came back and with milk ate breakfast. 17:00:26 :P 17:00:28 usually I get up, shower, then breakfast. 17:01:35 even with that in there, i'd still hope you didn't start eating breakfast straight after that :) 17:01:48 that would make it either a looooong shower, or a loooong breakfast :P 17:02:04 heh. No it was a Looong talk to my freind on irc. 17:05:42 hey what are you aussies doing up so early 17:05:49 early? 17:05:56 it's the afternoon :P 17:06:13 pengo: heh. I can't help it now. I get up at 9am during the week. 17:06:18 only just, but still :) 17:06:29 gtg, sleep 17:06:33 kyelewis: hmm you're right 17:06:33 and i'll be up early-ish tomorrow, though not here, i'll be getting an LCD monitor :) 17:06:35 cya Mathis 17:06:38 --- quit: Mathis (Remote closed the connection) 17:06:49 kyelewis: Ohh. LCD is awesome.\ 17:06:53 * Boney hugs his LCD 17:06:56 i know, my laptop has one lol 17:06:58 ;) 17:07:06 now i'll have one for my desktop too :) 17:07:08 tho i've always said, why put something off until morning when you can sleep in til noon 17:07:09 --- join: jca (ga@213.13.247.7) joined #osdev 17:07:19 pengo: sorry? 17:07:25 I get it. 17:07:50 if i could get the LCD today, i would ;) 17:08:01 lcd good 17:08:23 i'm using a 17" samsung lcd atm 17:08:29 :) 17:08:44 i'll probably get a 17", 15 isn't enough really 17:08:51 then again, i have a 15" crt now 17:09:15 but when the brightness is turned up, it has an annoying green line down the middle 17:09:30 but it's been in pretty much constant use since 1995 17:12:42 pengo: dito!!! 17:12:56 kyelewis: 17" rocks. 17:14:01 Boney: cool. wanna go out? 17:14:05 lol 17:15:09 pengo: OMG!! OMG!!11!!! ASL!?!? 17:15:18 heHEHehEHeHEHeHehe r u hot? 17:15:27 * kyelewis looks at pengo, Boney 17:15:46 * pengo coughs 17:16:13 sorry thought this was #teenrelationshipdev 17:16:15 hehe. 17:16:28 :P 17:25:32 --- quit: ree (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:26:03 --- join: ree (~jwm@ns.fasthost.net) joined #osdev 17:26:25 --- join: oeck (~oeck@host81-134-69-199.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 17:28:24 anyone have a good lcd that does 1600x1200 or better? 17:29:41 there's a huge imac lcd in the front office 17:29:48 probably does something analogous to that 17:30:05 17-19" 17:30:21 witten: one of the really big long ones? 17:30:27 kyelewis: yup 17:30:31 they're cool :P 17:30:33 for the receptionist :) 17:30:34 * kyelewis wishes he had one 17:30:38 hehe 17:32:20 mmm.. 1600x1200 lcd would be very drool-worthy 17:33:00 * kyelewis moves over to his desktop so he can install 9.2 on his laptop :) 17:33:09 9.2 mandrake that is 17:33:34 why anyone would do that to their own computer, I don't know :) 17:33:39 lol 17:33:43 heh 17:33:48 i'm dual booting :P 17:34:09 if you have suggestions for the *other* OS/distro, you're welcome to provide them... now... 17:34:27 windows 95b :) 17:34:31 lol 17:34:34 you sad sad person :P 17:34:41 sorry trolling :) 17:34:49 --- join: kyelewis_ (~kyelewis@dsl-182.66.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) joined #osdev 17:34:52 join #osdevelopment 17:34:57 kyelewis: debian 17:34:57 argh 17:35:07 * kyelewis_ hates forgetting the slash :) 17:35:27 witten: i knew *someone* would join ;) 17:35:33 msg kyelewis sorry I don't swing that way. take your sick fetishes elsewhere 17:35:36 OOPS! 17:36:00 msg witten fine, i'll take my fetish over to your house. say 2pm? 17:36:03 oops :) 17:36:05 haha 17:36:31 --- part: kyelewis left #osdev 17:36:33 /msg kyelewis you never invite me to your sex orgies :( 17:37:14 /msg pengo you're welcome to come along, ask witten for the address, he's organising, you'll want to RVSP asap 17:37:33 /msg pengo should be a night of pure enjoyment. and the orgy will be good too. 17:37:38 --- nick: kyelewis_ -> kyelewis 17:37:42 --- quit: wcstok (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:40:46 kyelewis: gentoo 17:41:08 gentoo is nice, but probably more for my desktop :P 17:41:27 i had it on my laptop at one stage, works better on my desktop though really 17:42:11 kyelewis: witten never replied :( 17:42:19 :/ 17:42:55 * kyelewis tries to figure out why someone dcc'ed me the theme to gumby a few days ago 17:43:17 lol 17:43:21 --- quit: kyelewis ("Leaving") 17:43:23 seems obvious to me 17:43:44 --- join: kyelewis (~kyelewis@dsl-182.66.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) joined #osdev 17:44:08 I stubed my toes and it really hurts. 17:44:27 heh 17:44:46 after I did it I fell over with pain. 17:44:49 --- join: wcstok (strtok_r@cras76p89.navix.net) joined #osdev 17:45:43 wow 17:46:03 i walked barefoot in the park last night after it had been raining 17:46:09 and my toes feel great 17:49:06 --- part: jca left #osdev 17:49:07 --- quit: pengo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:55:30 --- join: codi (codacola@219-88-0-23.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #osdev 18:06:13 * kyelewis struggles to understand why his 2 downloads are still both showing 40kb/s 18:10:29 * air struggles to understand why no one here will finish his OS for him 18:12:14 maybe you could trade with someone =P 18:12:32 ok 18:12:39 wanna trade? 18:13:04 nope, find another sucker 18:14:28 damnit 18:25:00 kyelewis: they hate you 18:48:38 --- quit: thc ("bye bye") 18:52:10 --- quit: kdehl ("Over and out!") 19:09:10 --- part: unreal left #osdev 19:09:14 --- join: unreal (unreal@unreal.registered.freenode) joined #osdev 19:23:47 --- join: geist (~geist@tkgeisel.com) joined #osdev 19:33:35 file: hate me? 19:33:49 i'm on a 512 adsl connection 19:38:59 512? 19:39:05 I'm on 1500/640 19:39:11 good for you :P 19:39:30 * kyelewis would love to be able to afford 1500/640 19:39:41 if I paid $20 more it would be 3000/640 19:39:48 hell, i'd love to be able to *get* the 640... that seems like a strange upload 19:41:02 then again, broadband in oz isn't great 19:41:07 though it's getting better 19:41:33 the connection here is on $98/month AUD for unlimited 512 19:42:01 yikes 19:43:56 http://www.ozforces.com/pnews.php?page=home_dsl_prices 19:44:11 I wish I could get dsl, I'd get half price and everything =/ 19:44:36 s/$98/$97/ 19:44:51 AUD? let me translate mine over to that 19:44:53 1.5/256 would cost $232/month AUD 19:45:31 $41.05 AUD for 1500/640 19:45:54 * kyelewis symlinks file 19:45:57 darn you :P 19:46:02 haha 19:46:36 even 256/64 is 19:46:37 79AUD 19:46:49 then you should see telstra's plans ;) 19:47:38 they made their plans better "value" a week or so ago 19:47:45 elaborate 19:47:49 they made their ADSL plan 10GB, with a 64k cap after that ;) 19:47:55 haha 19:48:00 unlimited all the way here 19:48:02 and called it "unlimited" 19:48:36 mine's unlimited too... i'm not with telstra, never will be :P 19:49:39 http://www.bigpond.com/internet-plans/broadband/adsl/unlimited/default.asp <-- telstra "unlimited" ADSL 19:49:46 "Choose a speed to suit your Internet requirements and then send or receive as much data as you want* - without worrying about usage limits (speed may be slowed to 64kbps after 10GB). " 19:50:02 tee he he 19:50:26 telstra charge for outgoing data too 19:50:35 as in, it comes out of the usage 19:51:15 i have something like 40-50gig soft cap 19:51:35 * kyelewis doesn't 19:51:49 telstra have applied that same plan to cable too 19:52:00 at least with cable, that's a good thing 19:52:15 10GB + cap to 64k for their price is quite a bit better than optus' 19:52:31 my speed never descreases 19:52:39 they just send out threatening letters 19:52:39 neither does mine 19:52:47 just that's telstra's idea of "unlimited" :P 19:52:51 which i find humerous :) 19:52:53 air: hehe 19:53:22 i probably only use a few gig tho 19:53:26 i wonder what sort of prices optus' DSL service will have 19:53:58 heh, they're gonna speed cap it after the limit... just like telstra 19:54:02 and just like they do with cable 19:54:12 except they cap to 28.8k on their cable network :P 19:54:48 wow, data caps? that's crazy 19:54:58 never heard of it, wouldn't sign up with one if they had it 19:55:13 geist: my thoughts exactly 19:55:18 optus' cable plan: 19:55:26 64.95AUD per month 19:55:31 for 550MB 19:55:42 with 28.8k cap if you're over the limit 19:55:54 3GB is 79.95 19:56:03 6GB is 129.95 19:56:09 15GB is 299.95 19:56:22 so telstra's new cable plans kick optus' proverbial backside 19:57:46 but in ADSL they are whooped by comindico and connect/datafast's pricing 19:57:56 and everyone elses :P 19:57:57 well, broadband is readily available here in the bay area 19:58:00 but mostly by those two 19:58:05 but that's probably a bit of a special case 20:00:16 still, yeah, cheapest unlimited 512 here is around the price i have it foro, so :P 20:00:20 s/foro/for/ 20:01:26 * kyelewis gets 25-30ms to the CBD 20:01:41 30-40ms to sydney 20:01:45 --- quit: codi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:03:01 somewhere around 200ms to the US from here 20:04:14 * file gets about 307ms to kyelewis 20:04:32 well i mean to the first hop inside the US of course :) 20:05:05 Minimum = 301ms, Maximum = 307ms, Average = 304ms 20:06:24 so, yeah, 100ms of that is inside the US 20:06:38 * file is Canadian for the record 20:06:55 so? :P 20:07:05 my data still goes through the US :P 20:07:20 yes, but just for the record I'm a Canadian 20:07:23 it goes through the US to get to the UK too :) 20:07:32 actually :/ to the US->UK thing 20:08:54 hey hey, looks like the link to the UK from here is a bit better than before 20:09:06 350ms or so to the UK 20:09:28 around 400-450 to the .nl 20:18:10 file: why do u think yer country should get contracts to rebuild iraq? 20:18:28 lol 20:18:32 back to this again are we? :P 20:18:34 air: Unable to reply. 20:18:39 kyelewis: :) 20:18:58 file: u didnt give any money or supply any troops to help fight the war 20:19:12 air: Unable to converse regarding this subject. 20:19:20 file: but u think yer country should get some of americas money to help rebuild it 20:21:10 but i do think we should give yer country something, like maybe a few armed nukes 20:21:17 :) 20:22:09 what for...to divert a few nukes that'd be aimed at america towards canada instead? 20:22:46 we should <> a few nukes 20:23:15 its not like they would fight back 20:23:18 problem is those damn northerly winds, it'd blow all that shit back towards us 20:23:24 they have no nukes or even an army 20:24:04 we should also give france a few nukes 20:24:12 they are in the same situation as canada 20:24:42 and germany probably doesnt have an army either 20:25:06 i would think the allies would've banned them from having one 20:26:51 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 20:30:35 --- quit: oeck (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:30:35 --- quit: Boney (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:33:52 --- join: oeck (~oeck@host81-134-69-199.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 20:33:52 --- join: Boney (~paul@m041-192.nv.iinet.net.au) joined #osdev 20:33:53 air: shut up 20:34:06 :) 20:34:22 air: not only are you totally trolling, you're incorrect and just being stupid (I hopeyou're acting that way) 20:34:34 if you want to have a decent political discussion: 20:34:37 a) dont do it here 20:34:39 b) get some facts 20:34:46 c) dont be inflammatory 20:35:56 its true 20:36:42 canada, france, germany and russia didnt help out with the war but now they want some of the $18 billion that we are putting up 20:36:52 bush told em to drop dead 20:37:02 you *know* the world is far far more complicated than that 20:37:15 dont play stupid 20:37:37 go look it up 20:37:55 look past the hype, read between the lines. the media loves to sum this stuff up into bite sized chunks 20:38:21 im good friends with bush, he told me this himself 20:38:33 stop being a pain in my bee-hind 20:38:44 yeah I'm sure I'll look it up on cnn or fox news and it'll give me a very in depth analysis of the situation 20:39:01 anyway, either you're just stupid or you 20:39:06 you're just trying to piss people off 20:39:15 I'm going to do you a favor and assume the second 20:39:22 those ppl pissed me off first 20:39:30 perhaps 20:40:00 but you're now using an equivalent of a shotgun, trying to piss off as many folks as you can back 20:40:21 --- join: rlundy (LSheldon@adsl-68-21-37-162.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) joined #osdev 20:40:21 :) 20:40:57 not so much pissed off as trying to decide if it's worth /ignoring ornot 20:42:04 --- quit: rlundy (Client Quit) 20:47:39 well, time to go home 20:47:46 :) 20:47:49 home is nice 20:48:03 if home is your work however, it can be frightening 20:48:15 I didn't get wha tI was working on done however, so I'll probably be here tomorrow 20:49:38 --- quit: oeck (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:49:38 --- quit: Boney (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:53:40 --- join: Boney (~paul@m041-192.nv.iinet.net.au) joined #osdev 20:54:44 --- join: oeck (~oeck@host81-134-69-199.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 20:56:17 refactoring code sucks because yer programming but not getting anything done 21:11:57 Argh. 21:11:58 I locked myself out of my apartment. 21:11:59 it cost $110 to get back in. 21:12:10 couldn't climb in a window? 21:12:24 nope. it's on the 2nd story. 21:12:29 and very high up. 21:12:30 fly! 21:12:50 heh. 21:13:04 at my old place I've had to climb into the 2nd story window. 21:13:09 when Anlly locked me out. 21:22:12 heh 22:17:39 --- join: Divine (~john@c-24-10-99-115.client.comcast.net) joined #osdev 22:30:14 hehe 22:30:20 "Shameless Self-Promotion" 22:30:32 the people at google still have a sense of humor :) 23:15:01 --- join: Prophet__ (~Prophet@pD958D28D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 23:19:07 --- join: the_faulk (1000@lnhe5-52.2wcm.comporium.net) joined #osdev 23:19:08 hi 23:22:09 --- quit: Prophet_ (Operation timed out) 23:28:52 --- quit: wcstok (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:32:18 --- part: the_faulk left #osdev 23:52:08 --- quit: Divine ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 23:52:46 --- join: Divine (~john@c-24-10-99-115.client.comcast.net) joined #osdev 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/03.12.12