00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/03.12.15 00:00:03 flex is intended to just sweep through the input and turn it into tokens, nothing more 00:00:39 well, I'm trying to do that by manipulating the tokens stream 00:00:48 hmm, not sure if that's a great idea 00:00:56 what other way is there? 00:00:58 it might work, but I'm not sure that's how it's supposed to be done 00:01:09 well, bison should be building a parse tree 00:01:12 --- join: coolStuff (~user@164.164.151.155) joined #osdev 00:01:12 I don't flex is "supposed" to be able to parse offside rule languages 00:01:16 it should be able to manipulate it 00:01:22 no, flex is a lexer 00:01:24 bison is the parser 00:01:42 ok, I don't think flex is "supposed" to be able to lex offside rule languages 00:01:53 you have to keep the distinction seperate, or you'll run into trouble 00:01:53 hi guys 00:02:02 geist: I know 00:02:06 hi coolStuff 00:02:23 heya coolStuff 00:02:39 geist: how would you recommend getting the indentation level information from the lexer to the parser? 00:03:00 anybody has the old skyos before 2.0 version 00:03:20 simple, count the number of tabs at the beginning of the line 00:03:36 an indented language like that is much simpler, cause you dont have to track open blocks and whatnot 00:04:18 bison can throw a fit if the indention level is out of whack 00:04:38 if you had to track blocks, then bison can build a stack of scopes 00:05:04 you need it for a C like langauge, because flex has to know if it sees a new token if it needs to match it against an already declared one or create a new one inside the scope 00:05:51 hmm 00:09:39 * geist looks at source code from a compilers class he took in college 00:09:53 we had to write a compiler for a C++ like language using flex + bison 00:10:03 presumably we were using it in the 'proper' way 00:10:15 witten: what kind of language? 00:10:17 geist: oh. flex and bison are nice! 00:10:18 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=B1187A08D262D311AB8C0000C1106A51949DED%40mail1.bco-home.com 00:10:22 air: safe language 00:10:32 --- quit: coolStuff ("ERC vVersion 3.0 $Revision: 1.328 $ (IRC client for Emacs)") 00:10:51 witten: yeah, that looks right 00:11:18 witten: got any more info? :) 00:11:21 the lexer tracks how deep you are and stuffs an INDENT or DEDENT token when it changes 00:11:36 witten: and is this for yer OS? 00:11:49 geist: I'm basically doing exactly that except I can't figure out how to insert tokens into the lexer token stream 00:12:27 what token do you want to insert? 00:12:29 air: the syntax is sorta like python/self. it's intended to be compiled and fast, but with contrainst to guarantee safety 00:12:32 into the lexer stream? 00:12:36 air: it may be for my OS eventually 00:13:06 geist: into the lexer stream, yes. I want to insert INDENT (or BLOCK_START) tokens, and DEDENT (or BLOCK_END) tokens 00:13:24 I have to insert multiple BLOCK_ENDs simultaneously if, for example, multiple levels of indent are backed out all at once 00:13:33 seems like you want to insert that into the parser stream, not the lexer stream 00:13:44 ok, well whatever 00:13:47 I've got to insert it somewhere 00:13:56 well, inserting into the parser stream is easy 00:14:00 ok.. 00:14:11 I mean that's what the lexer does 00:14:19 insert things into the parser stream 00:14:23 ok.. 00:14:32 hang on, lemme think about it a sec 00:14:41 but it does it on a one-token at a time basis 00:14:56 so you can't, say, turn a single lexed token into multiple tokens in the parse stream 00:15:07 which means you can't close multiple levels of indentation at once 00:15:31 good point 00:16:47 well, I suppose you could make up new tokens for multiple INDENTS or DEDENTS 00:16:53 ie, DEDENT2, DEDENT3, etc 00:17:07 hmm 00:17:29 I could give each INDENT/DEDENT a value in the global %union 00:17:31 oh wait maybe you could add a field to yylval 00:17:36 yeah 00:17:41 and then put a level into it 00:17:45 but that gets really messy on the bison end 00:17:56 yeah 00:18:09 not sure there's a better way to do that 00:18:19 yah, short of writing my own lexer 00:18:29 or hacking flex to do token repeats or something 00:18:31 you'd put say 2 in the yylval.level variable and push a DEDENT token 00:19:05 and then how would I match that in the bison grammar? 00:19:15 well that's not too bad actually 00:19:23 because you should be building a scope stack 00:19:26 right now I've got.. compound: BLOCK_START block BLOCK_END 00:19:28 so youjust pop it that many times 00:19:33 hmm 00:20:06 ok, I'll try that, thanks 00:23:06 basically you probably need to build a backend of data structures for bison that is powerful/flexible enough to deal with this 00:23:21 well I've already got the abstact syntax trees 00:23:24 no scope though 00:24:00 right you need a scope stack and lists of variables in each scope so when the lexer hits an identifier it knows which one to match against 00:24:16 when you push INDENT and DEDENT tokens into the parser, it needs to push and pop the scope stack 00:24:43 and when the parser hits a variable declaration (or it's used for the first time or whatever) it has to create a new variable on the current scope 00:24:56 yeah 00:25:02 and when the lexer hits an identifier it has to match against the scope stack, etc 00:25:11 that's the easy part :) 00:25:15 you bet 00:25:17 ASTs were kind of a bitch 00:25:21 yep 00:25:28 that is something I've not messed with much 00:25:38 we had a pretty neat little compiler project, but it basically generated the code in one pass 00:25:47 cool 00:25:50 flex + bison directly generated three address code 00:26:04 and then the later stage did the TAC to sparc generation 00:26:26 ah ok 00:26:50 so there wasn't a lot of intermediate data structures 00:26:53 it was a single pass 00:27:25 anyway, have fun 00:27:30 thats pretty interesting stuff 00:27:46 yah, will do 00:28:03 the fun part will come when I gotta figure out how to make the language "safe" 00:28:10 got some ideas for that 00:39:43 witten: what about memory? 00:39:51 manual or automatic? 00:40:25 if automatic will u use regions? 00:41:16 i think u can also use regions with manual 00:41:29 cyclone is manual right? 00:42:59 air: I dunno 00:43:03 what's cyclone? 00:43:09 a language 00:43:15 * witten googles 00:43:34 cool 00:46:30 i need to look into ML kit and MPS to see how good they are 00:47:09 need a really fast deterministic gc for brix 00:47:52 --- join: finis (~mkr@as3-m87.net.hinet.hr) joined #osdev 01:01:50 --- join: demise (KSx_@c-8a4272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 01:10:15 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 01:24:50 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 01:24:51 --- quit: thc (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:29:16 --- quit: Divine ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 01:30:12 --- join: Divine (~john@c-24-10-99-115.client.comcast.net) joined #osdev 01:39:34 --- quit: finis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:41:10 mwahahahaha 01:41:18 * kyelewis has added scores to buzztrivia 01:41:39 now i need to web-alize it and allow for multiple channels at once, and track all their states :) 01:43:04 --- join: Mathis_ (~Mathias@pD9EABF92.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 01:56:36 --- quit: demise () 01:57:13 cool 01:57:33 --- quit: pengo (Excess Flood) 01:57:45 --- join: pengo (xtofu@p228-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 02:00:02 --- quit: Mathis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:04:24 --- join: Prophet_ (~Prophet@pD958DBC2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 02:24:17 --- join: mrMister (andry@klaki.net) joined #osdev 02:24:58 cool 02:25:24 crap I just found out that varmit is really spelled varmint 02:25:34 my linux box at work is named varmit 02:25:40 and I've been doing checkins with it for years 02:27:26 hmm 20 mins time to do stuff 02:37:25 * geist makes another pass through the system code at work and removes everyone elses warnings 02:37:30 thus far I've seen two flat out errors 02:37:33 sigh 02:50:24 --- quit: tirloni ("brb") 02:54:06 --- join: tirloni (gpt@tirloni.staff.freenode) joined #osdev 03:04:46 oops, now the p4 server went down at work 03:04:46 --- quit: file (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:04:53 I forget the cycle it at 3am 03:04:56 oh well, time to sleep 03:15:18 --- join: thc (who@pD9538E06.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 03:17:20 --- quit: mrMister ("gone") 03:23:33 --- join: sliv3r (~sliv3r@213.154.116.228) joined #osdev 03:28:04 --- join: gianluca (~glguida@ppp-17-135.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 03:35:50 --- quit: thc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:48:21 --- quit: sliv3r (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:53:10 --- join: kernel-panic (rewt@ANice-205-1-9-7.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 03:55:18 --- join: thc (who@pD9538E06.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 03:59:42 --- join: kdehl (~madman@as3-2-3.sgp.lk.bonet.se) joined #osdev 04:00:23 --- join: SSPb (radical@81.182.105.241) joined #osdev 04:28:40 --- quit: SSPb (Remote closed the connection) 04:30:58 --- join: cookin (~jrydberg@h236n1c1o1044.bredband.skanova.com) joined #osdev 04:46:37 This paging-problem I mentioned earlier disappeared when I ran the OS on real hardware, as opposed to VMWare. 04:47:15 (Something I nagged geist and air about yesterday.) 04:58:58 --- join: demise (KSx_@c-884272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 05:13:03 --- join: file (~file@mctn1-1383.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 05:20:37 hiya folks 05:21:53 Hi file 05:26:20 --- join: asm2 (~asm@dsl-082-082-152-039.arcor-ip.net) joined #osdev 05:30:38 --- quit: asm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:34:41 * kyelewis is almost where he wants to be with buzztrivia 05:41:12 --- join: wl (philipp@pD954E7E0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 05:41:46 --- quit: I440r ("work is thataway -->") 05:48:09 --- join: asiammyself (asiammysel@washdc3-ar10-4-41-178-008.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net) joined #osdev 05:48:36 --- quit: gianluca (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:49:51 --- quit: asiammyself (Client Quit) 06:24:30 --- join: I440r (~mark4@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #osdev 06:49:37 --- join: SSPb (radical@174.104-182-adsl-pool.axelero.hu) joined #osdev 07:15:15 yawn 07:15:17 * geist wakes up 07:18:42 Morning 07:23:58 --- join: `thc` (who@pD9538E37.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 07:24:54 --- quit: thc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:33:20 --- quit: _PePs_ ("Fermeture du client") 07:35:08 heh 07:35:12 --- nick: kyelewis -> kyelewis|zzz 07:35:38 johs: interesting 07:35:54 I haven't noticed the A bit thing, but I haven't really looked 07:36:02 --- join: _PePs_ (~dieu@AAmiens-106-1-19-134.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 07:36:06 it very well could be they haven't implemented the A bit at all 07:36:14 it'd be tough to do 07:37:34 night all 07:37:38 night geist, Robert 07:37:42 Night :) 07:39:01 geist: That seems strange. 07:39:42 geist: I mean, I assume OSes use it for their paging algorithms. 07:39:56 I'm guessing that I'm doing something weird that VMWare doesn't like. 07:40:53 well I was thinking about it 07:41:02 if it wasn't supported it might not screw things up that much 07:41:16 most portable oses have to deal with it not being implemented anyway, since not all cpus support it 07:41:41 next time I have a chance I'll test it 07:42:06 Ah, right. 07:42:18 Yeah, if you do, I'd like to hear about it. 07:42:29 which vmware version is this btw? 07:42:39 I only have a trial version of VMWare, so I don't think I should nag the VMWare-people about it. 07:42:46 also, I have a buddy that works there I could ask him 07:42:51 ah okay 07:43:06 Heh, you do? What are the chances? 07:43:07 :) 07:43:20 --- quit: file (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:43:47 4.0.2-5592, by the way. 07:43:56 k 07:43:57 I'd buy it if I wasn't so poor. 07:44:08 what client os are you marking inthe config? 07:44:15 it could be they turn it off for particular ones 07:44:39 Linux 2.4.22. 07:44:40 I've already found out the hard way that the graphics stuff is different between client os settings 07:44:53 hmm? 07:45:01 Ah, sorry. 07:45:07 I've tried "Other" and "Linux". 07:45:14 ah okay 07:45:17 And FreeBSD. 07:45:29 okay I'll check it out. wont be for a day or two though 07:45:34 Cool. 07:45:53 --- join: file (~file@mctn1-1383.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 07:48:28 I am glad, however, that someone here has gone far enough to even have to worry about the A bit 07:48:32 that's great! 07:48:39 :) 07:48:53 I'm doing it for an end of semester-competition. 07:49:07 And I needed it for a page-aging algorithm. 07:49:32 Which now appears to work, when run on real hardware. 07:50:06 well that certainly is better than the alternative 07:50:21 The alternative was random page replacement. :) 07:50:34 It didn't work particularly well. 07:52:22 no I mean the alternative being it only working on fake hardware 07:53:08 Ah, yes. 08:18:05 --- quit: demise (Connection reset by peer) 08:19:50 --- quit: _PePs_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:53:28 --- quit: SSPb (Remote closed the connection) 08:53:57 --- join: demise (KSx_@c-884272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 09:13:24 --- join: Ceil (~CP@pD9038CCE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #osdev 09:22:32 --- join: _PePs_ (~dieu@AAmiens-106-1-19-134.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 09:26:58 --- join: ZLM (~fork@AToulouse-103-1-4-159.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 09:38:40 --- nick: `thc` -> thc 09:45:39 --- quit: Ceil ("leaving") 10:02:10 --- quit: voider (Remote closed the connection) 10:15:52 --- join: voider (~voider@modemcable226.10-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 10:18:22 --- quit: voider (Remote closed the connection) 10:21:03 --- quit: kernel-panic ("zzz") 10:28:21 --- join: voider (~voider@modemcable226.10-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 10:39:35 --- join: eniac_ (~eniac@199.180-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #osdev 10:41:36 --- quit: eniac (Nick collision from services.) 10:41:49 --- nick: eniac_ -> eniac 10:45:39 --- join: krish (~krish@219.65.121.40) joined #osdev 10:59:18 --- quit: eniac ("leaving") 10:59:52 --- join: eniac (~eniac@199.180-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) joined #osdev 11:02:16 --- quit: krish ("Client Exiting") 11:05:57 --- join: gianluca (~glguida@ppp-78-133.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 11:28:00 hey gianluca 11:28:01 hey all 11:30:45 --- join: frank (frank@e211141.upc-e.chello.nl) joined #osdev 11:33:51 hey mur 11:42:57 --- join: pavlovski (~tim@modem-3770.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 11:45:19 --- join: Ceil (~CP@pD9038EF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #osdev 11:54:11 --- quit: gianluca (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:15:03 About how much is a gallon of gas in the US? 12:15:28 No exact price... I'm just curious. 12:15:50 pav 12:15:54 sleep soon! 12:16:03 have to get up 06.00 or 05.50 12:16:06 about $6 / galllon would be the Swedish price, I guess... 12:16:09 bleh 12:16:51 Ey! Boring Americans, wake up! 12:16:53 :) 12:18:49 Okay, about $5 then... 12:19:30 --- join: gila (~gila@cc16711-a.delfz1.gr.home.nl) joined #osdev 12:20:34 79p/litre in the UK 12:20:51 I know, that's completely not what you asked 12:21:05 kdehl: ;) 12:21:13 Yea, the UK is has the most expensive gas in the world, don't you? 12:21:24 probably 12:21:51 I think I heard that somewhere. 12:22:04 Geez... Even more expensive than to us. 12:22:32 I don't know the conversion between gallons/litres and $/£ so I don't know 12:22:51 I gallon is about 3.8 liters. 12:23:53 I think £1 = ~2£. 12:24:03 Very approximately.. 12:24:52 Well, well. I dunno, time to get back to the studying. 12:26:05 --- join: yuriz (~yuriz@a243t27.elisa.omakaista.fi) joined #osdev 12:32:38 gn 12:33:17 * pavlovski hears mur's MP3 come up on his random list 12:35:54 ? 12:49:33 --- quit: ZLM (Remote closed the connection) 12:51:36 damn 12:51:50 a gallon of gas is less than $2 in america 12:52:03 the good shit is around $2 12:53:56 i think the medium shit i last bought was ~$1.85 12:57:43 --- join: _avlovski (~tim@modem-2286.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 12:58:04 Yea, they talked about $1.4 in #NetBSD 12:59:23 is yer dollar 1/3 of ours or u guys just getting fscked? 13:00:28 --- quit: pavlovski (Nick collision from services.) 13:00:34 --- nick: _avlovski -> pavlovski 13:02:18 Well, the taxes on this stuff is I think about 300% 13:02:41 So, yes, we are getting our asses fucked. 13:03:45 --- join: df (~yakumo@host81-132-150-4.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 13:04:45 hi df 13:05:23 hey pav 13:05:29 sup mate? 13:05:47 I hate that 'sup' thing. 13:06:28 It's 'drink' in Swedish, so everytime I see someone says it, I think 'huh, party?'... 13:07:01 "sup mate" == "drink, my friend" 13:07:17 Yea yea, study, study... 13:07:20 * kdehl walks away 13:10:47 --- quit: thc ("bye bye") 13:11:33 heh 13:19:49 --- quit: Ceil ("leaving") 13:20:44 --- join: _PePs__ (~dieu@AAmiens-106-1-30-226.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 13:28:20 --- quit: _PePs_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:31:06 --- quit: oeck (Client Quit) 13:31:48 --- nick: kyelewis|zzz -> kyelewis|tv 13:32:13 --- join: oeck (~oeck@host81-134-131-105.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #osdev 13:37:23 --- quit: frank ("sleep") 13:44:08 hmm someone on the msgboard is signing 'love christy' and usename 'lets sexx'.. hmmm precursor to spamming? hmm..... 13:44:44 or maybe they are coming on to you? 13:44:59 i havnt posted in their threads... maybe she is coming on to one of the others... 13:45:07 msgboard private msg sex.. mmm... 13:45:57 surely your life is more important than worrying about the spammage of other peoples' message boards? 13:46:13 its my board 13:46:17 my bandwidth 13:46:29 my db space! 13:46:34 "their threads".. ahh, k, threw me off :) 13:46:41 I thought about mentioning it, but I thought, hey, nothing wrong with that 13:46:45 hahahha 13:46:51 hehe 13:47:02 sex n bochs. two great bedtime topics.... 13:47:05 what is the board about? 13:47:08 hot monkey love? 13:47:12 :) 13:47:21 yes 13:47:51 heh, I never noticed the "Love Christy" sig before now 13:49:17 i want to remotly control my bootsector with a serial cable! 13:49:20 oh man 13:49:35 --- quit: acidx ("..(cyp): Killed by gemini (Requested by panasync)") 13:51:51 --- join: newbs (newbs@ts1-illavl166.shawneelink.net) joined #osdev 13:54:52 hrm 14:08:47 pav: still waiting on broadband? 14:11:45 hrm 14:12:17 anyone have experience with intel's c compiler? 14:13:07 could i replace gcc with icc and have gentoo use it? would it really produce faster code? does it compile faster? 14:14:02 haha! 14:14:13 the first /. post was the question is just asked :) 14:14:19 s/is/i/ 14:14:38 df: I've mostly given up 14:16:36 pavlovski: run a cable to me and u can share mine :) 14:18:51 pav: heh 14:19:06 pav: get a wifi router and i'll beam in from east london to your house. 14:19:12 or get a few miles of cat5 14:19:30 it would be easier to run cat5 to me ;) 14:20:10 my broadband router has 3 spare ports ;) 14:20:34 so does mine 14:21:18 my broaband speaks cockney i'm sure of i 14:21:19 t 14:21:27 heh 14:22:42 df: right, I don't see why BT can't give me broadband as it would be easier to connect my flat to somebody who has it 14:23:13 --- join: witten (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 14:23:28 they've only been connecting peoples houses together with electrical wiring for like 100 years, you'd have thought they had got the hang of it by now 14:23:34 cant you get anything in your area, ntl/telewest/bt?? 14:23:47 i cant beleive a $$$$$$$$$ place like isle of dogs etc cant get broadband 14:23:55 its fucking financial district for rying out loud. 14:24:15 if i can get it in the boonies of east london, i;m sure they could cable the city. 14:24:43 there was an NTL box on my wall when I moved in but NTL swear I'm not in a cabled area 14:24:56 the woman couldn't explain why I already had a box 14:24:57 did you try your postcode in the finder? 14:25:16 yes, if I just put my postcode in, BT say I might be able to get it 14:25:37 although they say I'm too far away from the exchange, I've now found out they're lying 14:25:58 really it's the line quality, which only partly depends on distance from the exchange 14:26:07 when i got it, bt came out to inspect the property. scheduled an interview. tested the line, came out about 3 times, installed it themselves. now, they dont do shit and just sell you the modem. heh. 14:27:22 pavlovski: my telco ran a new phone line for me :) 14:27:46 i put my work PC in, in soho (w1f) and its available.. seems odd you can get BB in soho but not in docklands... 14:27:50 I'm happy for them to not do shit -- I've alreay got a modem etc and I'm capable of plugging it in 14:28:36 --- quit: _PePs__ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:29:48 heh i'm giving up on osdever.net forums. they think ISA is everywhere and worth supporting and want to write NE2000 ethernet drivers. pci has been around for 10+ years and they want to do isa shit. 14:30:49 i miss isa :( 14:31:16 osdever.net has forums? 14:31:18 i miss it like a hole in the head. fixed addresess. irq clashes. 14:31:28 pav: yeah. go figure. 14:31:49 HTTP 500 - Internal server error 14:31:51 weird 14:32:04 they give a forum to each new os that turns up :) its kinda amusing. 14:32:20 http://www.osdever.net/forums/ worked just now for me. 14:33:28 "Specific OS Forums": "A load of stuff you never heard of" 14:34:25 write a bootsector, get a forum. 14:35:11 rofl! 14:35:17 Well, open standards, then you need: 14:35:18 A VESA 3.0 compatible gfx card. 14:35:18 An ISA-Soundblaster 16. 14:35:18 A NE2000 or perhaps Realtek based chipset. 14:35:26 all that = crap computer 14:35:40 i tried! :) honestly. 14:36:04 NE2000? how evil 14:36:23 "And what's a RTL8139?" 14:36:23 ffs 14:36:36 it's a cheapass chipset! DUH! 14:36:42 ;) 14:38:05 one guy eve suggested 3dfx.. 14:39:01 --- join: _PePs_ (~dieu@AAmiens-106-1-30-226.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #osdev 14:40:49 "i get a character from the user using INT 16, how can i process this using intel asm, like an IF/THEN statement?" 14:41:16 some people shouldn't be allowed to use a computer, let alone write an OS 14:44:00 :) 14:50:55 bloody hell. they made the preview the size of a postage stamp :( http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sony/spiderman2/ 14:51:25 --- quit: pavlovski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:51:31 df, heh, most osdev hobbiest like to support older hardware 14:51:57 in fact I don't really know of anyone (other than yours trully and air?) who want to focus on new hardware 14:52:01 ohh, and tunes 14:52:11 but tunes will never be finished.. so that is a given 14:53:30 damn,, dr octopus... 14:54:34 ree: i'm all for supporting that cyrix 386-slc16 you have with 512kb. you go for it man! id be so proud. 14:54:46 --- join: _avlovski (~tim@modem-3716.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 14:54:52 .. why would I 14:55:00 I just said I am about supporting only new hardware heh 14:55:04 i thought you were saying you want to support old stuff :) 14:55:07 yours trully being me 14:55:08 i misread i spose... 14:55:18 i thought you meant me hahahaha 14:55:25 note the other than 14:55:26 heh 14:55:38 nah, when people say yours trully they are speaking about themselves 14:55:40 btw i have a cyrix 386slc-16 mobo at home somewhere hahahahahhahahahaha 14:55:51 i think its a cupboard wedge. 14:56:25 supporting isa is suicide. 14:56:28 the oldest mobo I have is a 486slc texas instrument.. small form factor 14:56:54 can't get myself to throw it away since it is like-new and never used :) 14:57:02 irq assignments, fixed port addresses, fux0red dma. probe something at the wrong port. bewm! 14:57:46 hmm spiderman 2 actually looks good... 14:58:11 ISA IS EVIL 14:58:33 lets all just support pci64/x :) 14:58:40 so is supporting 3dfx cards 14:58:44 or just agp 14:58:49 no other peripherals 14:59:18 eh? 14:59:19 hypertransport 14:59:20 I don't mind supporting crappy video cards 14:59:30 me only supporting new hardware? why would u say that? 14:59:42 as it doesn't take the focus away from what you can do 14:59:45 isa, mca, pcmcia, vlb. erugh. 14:59:48 ohh, I assumed so air 14:59:57 let's support... ISA SCSI cards! 15:00:11 brix will not be a slow OS like tunes 15:00:15 isa fddi network cards! 15:00:18 --- nick: kyelewis|tv -> kyelewis 15:00:19 I didn't say it would be slow 15:00:43 tunes requires hardware that doesnt yet exist because it will need massive processing power 15:00:46 supporting only new hardware != slow 15:00:56 most of us already know that air 15:01:02 because we have read the tunes blurbs 15:01:02 i remember sun making an sbus fddi card that saturates te sbus, its like, hello!! whats the point! 15:01:09 uhh 15:01:21 most ppl havent a clue what tunes is about 15:01:39 most people here 15:01:46 sooo 15:01:52 heyas 15:01:53 i doubt very many ppl here know 15:02:02 kyelewis: u know much about tunes? 15:02:19 df: u? 15:02:20 not really 15:02:23 anyway, off of the point 15:02:36 when i read about tunes x years ago its goals seemed similiar to my own 15:02:39 nobody equates supporting new hardware with _requiring_ new hardware 15:03:03 that was besides the point 15:03:10 that is missing the entire point all together 15:03:11 i will support whatever hardware bochs can emulate :) 15:03:15 that is being blind to the point 15:03:20 hehe 15:03:21 heh, fine 15:03:52 --- join: gianluca (~glguida@ppp-66-133.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 15:04:11 once the OS starts to become usable then u begin to write drivers for the most used hardware 15:04:32 * ree stepped in something.. not sure what it is 15:04:37 --- join: axeld (~axeld@pD9E576F0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 15:04:37 its the logical way 15:04:44 dog shit? 15:04:49 again, nobody mentioned that either 15:05:02 dumpster diving for fat? 15:05:13 I just thought you were more interested in supporting new hardware rather than old 386/etc 15:05:26 I was wrong, end of story 15:07:00 why don't they make e-mail clients delete messages _as_ they are downloaded 15:07:09 instead of after most are downloaded 15:07:18 most/all 15:07:30 I have 3k messages and it stopped at like 2700 with an error 15:07:32 ree: dont think you can 15:07:34 now I have to do it all over again 15:07:50 --- quit: demise () 15:08:00 it's possible to do, wouldn't be hard to program 15:08:07 ree: pop protocol gets you to mark messages to delete, then deletes them if the session is closed properly.. i think? 15:08:21 yeah, perhaps pengo 15:08:26 ree: the real solution would be for the client to notice that it's downloading the same shit again 15:08:27 hehe 15:08:29 wonderful OUTDATED protocols 15:08:39 pengo: ? 15:08:44 anyway, shouldn't you all be using imap ;) 15:09:01 most clients seem to give you two copies of messages if it downloads them twice 15:09:16 if your client does that, it's kinda gay 15:09:37 most of them won't download the same message twice 15:09:43 hellboy looks good too :) heh. nice trailer.... 15:10:28 badboys II was good 15:10:31 saw that today 15:10:39 hmm 15:10:50 * kyelewis wonders 1) if the CNNNN dvd is on sale yet and 2) how much it costs 15:10:53 kyelewis: i'd say most do.. at least in my experience.. including mozilla, outlook, eudora, mail.yahoo.com.. tho i haven't tried latest versions of everything 15:11:45 * kyelewis looked at the dvd preview on the cnnnn website, it looked pretty good 15:11:59 * pengo still hasn't seen any cnnnn :( 15:12:05 i ought to get a tv 15:12:28 cnnnn? 15:12:40 http://www.abc.net.au/cnnnn/video/ plenty of video clips there... better than last season 15:12:44 is that sponsored by cnet? :) 15:12:54 cnnnn.cnn.cnet.com 15:13:03 sdt: a ripoff of cnn on ABC here in AU 15:13:10 heh 15:13:22 not so much a ripoff 15:13:28 but it pokes fun at stuff :) 15:13:34 foreign countries plagorize everything 15:13:45 I see 15:13:47 lol 15:13:52 ree: how'd you figure that? 15:13:56 kyelewis: we are foreigners :( 15:14:00 man, did you here the news this weekend? 15:14:00 pengo: lol 15:14:14 sdt: george bush was captured?!?! 15:14:22 yeah, i know, i got an LCD monitor, cool isn't it 15:14:23 ;) 15:14:27 witten: no, sandra won survivor!!! 15:14:31 omg! omg! 15:14:31 lol 15:14:33 who cares 15:14:34 sdt: woot! 15:14:40 what's survivor? 15:14:41 more to the point, who the hell was sandra 15:14:43 ahhaha 15:14:51 kyelewis: the person who won survivor. duh! 15:14:52 and what series was this? 30? 40 ;) 15:14:58 7 15:15:34 to be serious: saddam hussein was captured 15:15:41 ree: he WAS!?!?! 15:15:42 not good to make light of such an important event 15:15:44 http://www.abc.net.au/cnnnn/video/ <-- the stuff's in realvideo format, but it's funny :) 15:15:49 ree: alert the media! 15:15:57 * sdt rolls eyes 15:15:58 hah 15:15:59 :) 15:16:10 i heard about it on IRC 15:16:18 but it was a little before *today* :P 15:16:22 mature people are so wonderful to be around 15:16:34 i couldn't agree more 15:16:44 * kyelewis runs around laughing and screaming 15:17:19 wow 15:17:21 just saw a pic 15:17:26 that's ugly 15:18:04 so saddam is out of the final for survivor? 15:18:09 lol 15:18:24 hahaha df 15:18:32 kyelewis: url me pic? 15:18:35 heh 15:18:38 --- join: skywalker (~mors@dhcp-128-107-158-50.cisco.com) joined #osdev 15:18:41 http://www.abc.net.au/ 15:18:59 --- nick: skywalker -> mors 15:19:00 bleh 15:19:04 heh 15:19:36 i will celebrate when they capture bin laden 15:19:40 http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1009787.htm 15:19:43 5336 messages, yay 15:20:02 I still think bin is dead 15:20:18 --- quit: I440r ("bbl") 15:20:19 <_avlovski> rofl at my cryptic redirection comment at mega-tokyo.com OS board 15:20:24 I mean a nearly 7 foot tall islamic guy? 15:20:25 --- quit: wl ("Quit") 15:20:25 i will celebrate when the iraqi people are free to rebuild their own country and the US military have left. 15:20:43 ree: I think pretty much everyone knows (or at least, has heard the story) that saddam was captured by now... 15:20:55 I wasn't saying you or anybody didn't 15:21:10 I was seriously pointing it out since everyone was poking around it 15:21:21 pengo: we are putting up $18 billion to rebuild, we are never leaving, iraq now belongs to us 15:21:47 yeah, now is the time to buy some land 15:21:53 ree: and my original "joke" was based on the fact that _clearly_ it was the most major news item of the weekend/week/month/..., when survivor was obviously totally unimportant 15:21:54 before the casinos and resorts are put up 15:22:00 brb playing #trivia 15:22:35 air: so i'm not celebrating 15:22:36 I imagine a new nevada 15:22:56 lots of good land for dumping our nuclear waste 15:23:16 <-- being serious, I like deserts 15:23:17 pav: i just moved the topic and got a 'topic does not exist' i f5 and 'moved'! hahhahah. timing :) 15:23:38 Prime Minister John Howard says he would not object if former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein received the death penalty. 15:23:44 --- nick: _avlovski -> pavlovski 15:23:44 ...the spineless turd 15:24:04 how ironic, a race condition on an OS development board! 15:24:12 lol 15:24:18 heh pavlovski 15:24:25 it's not spineless to kill someone 15:24:34 it can be the wrong decision though 15:24:41 politically speaking 15:24:46 pav: obviously no spinlocking in mysql eh 15:25:00 it's easier than giving him room and board forever 15:25:03 to execute Saddam is to stoop to the same sort of justice as the former Iraqi regime 15:25:07 food, etc 15:25:21 any real justice needs to be 100% by the book 15:25:29 besides, by killing him, you make a martyr out of him 15:25:42 nothing more humbling than a 5-year trial followed by life in some US prison 15:25:52 no, make that an Iraqi prison 15:25:56 killing him is good 15:26:07 heh 15:26:11 we dont want no terrorists hijacking planes and demanding his return 15:26:13 --- quit: Odin- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:26:16 you guys aren't for real 15:26:25 what does killing him achieve? 15:26:26 well, that is a good point 15:26:27 killing is revenge, not justice 15:26:41 can't there be justice in revenge? 15:27:07 no 15:27:13 we give revenge a bad name 15:27:26 revenge = invading Kuwait 15:27:35 justice = giving Kuwait back to the Kuwaitis 15:27:43 retaliation in order to get even 15:27:52 our justice system can be based on revenge 15:27:57 hell, it is in a way 15:28:02 ...is not just 15:28:07 otherwise we'd just let murders go there way 15:28:14 *their 15:28:27 murderers.. 15:28:38 ree: justice is not about revenge. 15:28:38 the death penalty for murderers is revenge 15:28:44 you give justice systems too much credit 15:28:56 prosecuting people convicted of murder and finding them guilty or not guilty is justice 15:29:05 it doesn't have to be about revenge to include revenge 15:29:20 what does revenge achieve? 15:29:22 ree: why do you need revenge? 15:29:24 it makes you feel good? 15:29:31 just because a justice system is supposedly fair does not exclude revenge 15:29:46 what does justice achieve? 15:29:59 it supposedly makes everyone feel safer and more secure 15:30:12 it doesn't necessarily involve 100% pure logic 15:30:13 revenge is by definition bad 15:30:13 so why introduce another bad into the world when one has already been created? 15:30:22 deterrent and rehabilitiation 15:30:28 why is it bad by definition? 15:30:31 go to a dictionary 15:30:37 tell me where it says bad bad bad 15:30:39 deterrent, i.e. it stops other people who might think of murder 15:30:53 rehabilitation, i.e. it stops a murderer from wanting to murder some more 15:31:14 both of those can happen with revenge 15:31:20 revenge is getting back at someone who's done something you don't like, right? 15:31:27 by doing something equally bad to them? 15:31:34 ree: revenge is one deed done in return for an injury or offense.. therefore it is itself an act of injury or offense 15:31:46 the second part can be fufilled as long as revenge doesn't end in death 15:31:47 ree: are you going to argue that injury is a good thing? 15:31:53 osnews does unixware. heh. 15:32:08 ...so a body that exercises revenge in the name of justice is as bad as the offenders it is gaining revenge on 15:32:10 I am arguing that there is a lot more to this than right and wrong 15:32:12 or good and evil 15:32:13 ree: why do you need revenge at all? 15:32:17 this isn't childs play 15:32:27 night 15:32:29 --- quit: df () 15:32:36 emotions are involved in so-called justice systems just as much as they are in revenge 15:32:47 they should not be 15:32:58 it should be a strict application of the relevant laws 15:33:04 revenge doesn't make sense without emotion 15:33:10 all the laws that go into a justice system are built upon emotions 15:33:11 unlike "justice" 15:33:24 not necessarily 15:33:27 in fact, not at all 15:33:36 they're there to maintain a functioning society 15:33:39 wanting something back, wanting someone to go to prison for doing something 15:33:47 wanting someone to _pay_ for their "ill deeds" 15:33:48 one where the inhabitants don't murder/steal/defraud each other 15:33:52 all emotional responses 15:33:58 no 15:34:02 a completely amoral system would not need law 15:34:04 sadam's hiding place doesn't look too shabby to me 15:34:24 as I said, punishment for a crime is there to stop them from doing it again, and to attempt to deter others from doing so 15:34:49 the difference between justice and revenge is taking the law into your own hands 15:34:55 and in my opinion, that is not always a bad thing 15:35:20 umm ree? 15:35:24 because the justice system can be just as wrong as the person revenging 15:35:26 what's that got to do with sadam? 15:35:27 it can be and is a bad thing, because taking the law into your own hands is likely to bring you outside of the law 15:35:41 we're talking about revenge vs justice 15:36:29 revenge just pisses off one more person; it creates more evil when there is already evil to begin with 15:36:45 heh, geez guys 15:36:52 it's like you're still stuck being kids 15:36:57 whereas the objective should be to reduce the total amount of evil by de-evilling the evil guy and stopping more guys becoming evil 15:37:01 believing in right and wrong, evil and good 15:37:02 ree: us?? 15:37:12 no, in fact the opposite 15:37:13 evil evil evil 15:37:15 ree: revenge is more so about good and evil than justice 15:37:22 no it isn't 15:37:26 yes iti s 15:37:33 it seems like you want to get back at someone who you beieve is bad 15:37:34 and i'm leaving it at that 15:37:36 how in the hell can you stretch the meanings so much? 15:37:40 look in the dictionary 15:37:45 whereas I argue that justice must apply exactly the same laws to everyone 15:38:00 actually, you couldn't be further from the truth 15:38:02 I have nobody to get back at 15:38:09 because there is no such thing as absolute good or absolute evil, society must define and use laws to apply to each case 15:38:10 not even saddam 15:38:13 ree: so why do you want to kill sadam? 15:38:16 ree: I know 15:38:19 I don't really care if they let him go or roast him on an open flame 15:38:26 I didn't say kill him 15:38:28 air did 15:38:38 ree: ok, you argue that society must get back at evil 15:38:45 get back at evil? 15:38:52 I didn't argue anything against or for evil 15:38:56 I don't even believe in evil 15:39:00 you argue for revenge 15:39:04 which is what that is 15:39:11 so what are we arguing about anyway? 15:39:22 osdeving, please. 15:39:31 revenge is just a pure unadulterated feeling of man.. I don't think it should be repressed for the sake of a justice system 15:39:34 justice and revenge are pretty vague and stupid concepts to argue about unless there's a real situation to discuss them in the context of 15:39:40 omg 15:39:41 hehe, we never talk about osdeving, so no worries here gian :) 15:39:42 --- part: gianluca left #osdev 15:39:51 ahh, there it leaves 15:39:53 ree: I say the opposite 15:40:14 once you start intoducing emotion into the legal makeup of society, undermine it 15:40:32 I am saying justice is built on emotion 15:40:33 have you seen anything of the Soham trial going on in the UK atm? 15:40:34 not the lack of 15:40:47 and I am saying revenge and justice are very similar in that regard 15:40:55 revenge just takes the law into your own hands 15:41:03 i agree with ree on that point.. but how revenge should be allowed to be given a voice is more of the question 15:41:21 ree: ok, but can I use the Soham trial as an example? do you know any of the details? 15:41:37 so we differ on that, that is fine, I expressed my point of view.. I am happy :) 15:41:37 pavlovski: most ppl should be punished with life in prison but some should be killed to prevent followers from doing shit to get them out 15:42:01 hehe 15:42:03 but i think there should be no luxury in prison 15:42:21 ree: can I explain the Soham trial so I can carry on? 15:42:23 yeah, prison is in someways better than budget living 15:42:25 sadam is bad. we find him in a hole. iraqis rejoice. now we kill him. i love media. 15:42:42 nah pav, save your typing 15:42:44 * pavlovski tries to use a practical example 15:42:48 so you know? 15:43:02 cant afford cable, good food and good living conditions? kill someone and turn yerself in 15:43:15 pavlovski: thats how u can get yer broadband 15:43:38 haha 15:43:41 yeah 15:43:48 and you'll probably get laid more often 15:43:55 ya :) 15:44:00 I doubt it :) 15:44:12 agreed on the broadband though :( 15:45:10 mmm.. broadband in prison, eh? 15:45:24 that gives me an idea... 15:45:25 plus all the credit cards you could ever want 15:45:28 lol 15:45:30 yeah, you get visitors to embed files in cakes ;) 15:45:37 geddit? 15:45:48 umm.. but you can get files via broadband 15:46:03 or maybe a cake in a file 15:46:09 see that report on how companies have offloaded support calls/order calls to prison inmates? 15:46:15 pengo: probably better than the general state of residential broadband here :P 15:46:16 hehe, not that type of file pengo 15:47:12 filesystems have ruined the word file :( 15:47:25 --- quit: synthesis () 15:48:03 we must rid the world of filesystems 15:48:18 replace them with cakesystems 15:48:21 Yes! We should all convert to databases. 15:48:34 Imagine if we did everything with SQL queries. 15:48:37 Patrick_W: same thing, surely? 15:48:37 or codebases 15:48:38 Patrick_W: only if done properly 15:48:44 nah, not a relational db 15:48:59 winfs is not the correct way 15:49:03 I'd rather represent everything using code 15:49:07 BeFS and NTFS would qualify as full relational databases 15:49:09 fuck sql 15:49:16 and WinFS just sits on top of NTFS 15:49:21 what? 15:49:27 filesystems are legacy now. we must continue to support them. embrace and extend. 15:49:33 oracle dbm doesn't even qualify as a relational dab 15:49:34 db 15:50:03 BeFS is a relational db, but not a "full relational db". NTFS isn't even close. 15:50:11 my vote is on codebase or object oriented db 15:50:30 what does BeFS have that NTFS doesn't? 15:50:33 ree: I'll go all OS/400 on you with that OO-db stuff. 15:50:41 screw relational, screw sql 15:50:43 I read the BeFS book, but my knowledge of NTFS is limited to the ntfsdoc site 15:51:02 --- join: Odin- (~sbkhh@adsl-2-216.du.snerpa.is) joined #osdev 15:51:06 I don't like OOP, but OO is a fine model 15:51:18 Smart Billboards (on /.) 15:51:30 ree: I guess you didn't get it... 15:51:33 wtf happens when a shitload of cars tuned into different stations pass the board 15:51:34 ? 15:51:47 air: lcd 15:51:53 lowest common denominator 15:51:55 like tv is now 15:51:59 OS/400 is practically an OOOS. Everything is an object. Files are objects that can possibly reside on hard drive. 15:52:02 :) 15:52:23 tho i dont like the idea of some marketing company knowing what radio station i'm tuned to 15:52:33 even if i had a sticker for it on my car 15:52:38 omg 15:52:39 pengo: Just listen to cd's. 15:52:44 as if they know who u are 15:52:57 * kyelewis thinks everyone should be watching CNNNN video clips ;) 15:53:03 air: it's the principle of the thing 15:53:10 no its not 15:53:20 probably would be difficult in austraila anyway with the privacy laws here 15:53:35 i think its a dumb idea tho cuz most ads wont be targetted at u unless yer the only one on the road 15:53:38 hehe, demotivational seminars :) 15:53:45 air: You'd be amazed how you can properly form "random" questions to get real information out of them. 15:53:56 if i want a 40 foot billboard customised for me, i'll make it myself thanks 15:54:37 everyone should have their own billboard 15:54:43 hah 15:54:44 damn, i think my heater broke or something cuz its freakin cold in here 15:54:54 air: It's called winter. 15:55:35 that's not my own quote... http://www.billboardliberation.com/media/portrait.html 15:57:21 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-160.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #osdev 16:01:49 pengo: I like that site. 16:03:34 pat, never used os/400.. so no :) 16:03:43 I've used OS/2 a lot, and pcdos 16:03:50 and aix 16:03:58 but no other ibm os software 16:04:46 Pat.. I thought you were in australia? 16:12:06 --- quit: pavlovski (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:14:27 Nope. 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18:17:18 eh? 18:17:29 see i told you i didn't know its terminology! 18:17:35 a quoted item is just unevaluated shit 18:17:40 yes 18:17:45 can't you use that to point to something else? 18:17:52 how does that relate to pointers? 18:18:14 well when you evaluate it you can find out what it's pointing to 18:18:14 well 18:18:26 i like the word evaluate.. and it's just what i was looking for.. thank you :) 18:19:40 let's evaluate your performance as an OS developer... NOW! 18:20:04 it's like a J-curve 18:20:17 it might go down at first, but eventually it will go straight up 18:21:14 --- join: kphlight (~none@dpc6682196229.direcpc.com) joined #osdev 18:21:36 pengo: im not sure if its scheme or lisp but that quoting thing would only work in one of them 18:21:43 i think scheme 18:21:59 u would need to access the variable outside the current scope 18:22:26 you can't call external functions from a quoted dodad? 18:22:27 I'm trying to RE an embedded os controlled by a nec upd70f* microcontroller.. anyone know a good place to look up ic datasheets? nec has no info on their site so I'm assuming it is discontinued 18:22:49 pengo: yes u can but what does that have to do with pointers to pointers? 18:23:38 air: well my external function could go and find some variable in a list.. umm.. so it acts like a pointer. :) it's all very tenuous but they seem analogous to me. 18:25:44 uhh ok whatever :) 18:25:57 --- part: kphlight left #osdev 18:26:33 i guess pointer isn't the best word.. more of a reference.. or an object.. or something 18:26:48 or a piece of toast? 18:27:00 or a piece of toast 18:27:19 toast.evaluate(); 18:27:22 marvelous 18:27:27 like jam 18:27:38 on toast 18:27:43 no one understands :( 18:28:27 is it just me or does anyone else think sourceforge should fix outstanding problems before adding new features? 18:29:18 air: nah.. they could spend all next year fixing outstanding problems 18:29:25 like that new donation system they just added, when will they get cvs stats working again? 18:29:30 2 years if you could user interface issues 18:29:45 could=count 18:29:57 when will they fix this very simple bug http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=503645&group_id=1&atid=350001 which i submitted in 14jan2002? 18:31:54 i wonder if moorman died and took my bug to his grave 18:32:20 i wonder if anyone osdn knows how to code 18:32:32 i wonder that too 18:32:47 i'm glad i'm not the only one 18:33:21 ok 18:33:37 back to work 18:58:54 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 19:52:01 --- quit: newbs ("printf("%d\n", EOF);") 19:55:46 --- join: cuebol (~littlejon@adsl-66-124-102-150.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 19:56:54 --- quit: zhware ("leaving") 20:00:03 --- quit: jwesley ("ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031007]") 20:01:57 --- join: zhware (~zhware@219.101.239.126) joined #osdev 20:09:46 --- join: asm (~asm@dsl-082-082-155-203.arcor-ip.net) joined #osdev 20:10:01 --- nick: file -> file[ZzZz] 20:11:25 --- quit: zhware ("leaving") 20:11:41 --- join: zhware (~zhware@219.101.239.126) joined #osdev 20:16:25 --- quit: nolan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:22:48 --- join: peng (xtofu@p225-tnt3.mel.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 20:27:15 --- quit: asm2 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:39:01 --- quit: Patrick_W (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:44:07 --- quit: pengo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:45:53 --- quit: cuebol ("Client exiting") 20:49:01 hehe 20:49:10 al is back on this network 21:29:23 --- quit: zhware (Remote closed the connection) 21:34:03 --- join: kdehl (~madman@as3-2-3.sgp.lk.bonet.se) joined #osdev 21:35:47 --- join: zhware (~zhware@219.101.239.126) joined #osdev 22:13:55 --- join: witten (~witten@lsanca2-ar33-4-33-193-135.lsanca2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #osdev 22:25:25 --- join: thc (who@pD9538E37.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 22:30:35 --- join: debug (~debug@tab.csbnet.se) joined #osdev 22:34:42 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 22:34:50 --- join: witten (~witten@lsanca2-ar33-4-33-193-135.lsanca2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #osdev 23:06:16 --- quit: witten (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:06:59 --- join: witten (~witten@lsanca2-ar33-4-33-193-135.lsanca2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #osdev 23:17:05 --- join: Prophet__ (~Prophet@pD9FF600E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 23:21:25 --- join: nolan (foobar@dsl092-251-209.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #osdev 23:23:42 --- quit: Prophet_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:25:22 --- quit: witten ("Client exiting") 23:29:37 howdy folks 23:29:50 hey geist 23:29:58 what's up? 23:30:17 nommuch. 23:30:20 just got my pc back. 23:30:26 well good 23:30:28 hello world 23:30:42 my flat mates stole it to watch a film. 23:32:09 what bastards! 23:32:14 I hope it was a good flick 23:32:31 hmm 23:32:34 heya geist 23:33:07 geist: heh. Yeah. stoping my coding time. they watched "Bruce Allmighty" 23:33:19 well that's not too bad 23:33:26 I saw that in the theater. it wasn't terrible 23:33:58 in other news. My chocolate allmost comletely melted. 23:34:02 it's very squsihy. 23:34:07 still inside the wrapper tho. 23:34:18 it was just on my desk for 2 days or so. and it melted. 23:34:21 damn this wather. 23:34:25 friday will be hottest. 23:35:06 i bitched about the weather once 23:35:20 the next day it was freezing and my friend caught a cold 23:35:21 wow, I was just complaining abou how cold it is here 23:35:29 just grabbed another blanket from the closet 23:35:30 now she blames me whenever the weather is bad :( 23:36:31 peng: heh. 23:36:44 geist: it was 36 today. with a dry wind. 23:37:10 36C? damn thats pretty warm 23:37:22 heh 23:37:27 yeah, s'too hot :/ 23:37:38 especially in here with all the computer equipment heating things up :/ 23:38:26 kyelewis: ditto. 23:38:36 geist: It'll be 39c on friday. 23:39:05 yeah, looks to be reasonably hot for the week, according to the weather channel anyhow :) 23:39:21 hmm 23:39:37 kyelewis: do you have air-conditioning? 23:39:39 looks like it's possible, maybe even likely that techtv will be part of the foxtel digital lineup next year 23:39:51 yes, but in this room, it's called a window 23:39:54 too bad techtv sucks now 23:39:54 ;) 23:39:55 * Boney is thinking of going into work on saturday if it's too warlm to stay here. 23:40:04 heh 23:40:29 kyelewis: heh. I "installed" a "vent" in my room cause I don't have a window. 23:40:32 geist: compared to some of the stuff here... :P 23:40:59 (took one of the panels out of the suspended ceiling) 23:41:14 i think they're planning somewhere around 100-150 channels total 23:41:18 Boney: hehe 23:41:24 i need a new fan.. for my head 23:41:27 quite a few will be audio 23:41:40 squant 23:41:42 hehe 23:41:56 take the o off to lose some heat, ey? ;) 23:42:06 was it just too hot? ;) 23:42:53 kyelewis: o. yeah palen. 23:43:05 my trivia bot is coming along well 23:43:07 palen? 23:43:32 the o comment was pointed towards peng :) 23:44:43 panel. 23:44:46 Oh. 23:44:47 ok. 23:45:44 Cake - Short Skirt/Long Jacket 23:45:44 note to self: dont do heavy compiling on the powerbook when it's not plugged in 23:45:59 geist: hah 23:46:05 haha geist 23:46:40 runs the batteries down and it drops to 533 mhz wheni t's unplugged 23:53:49 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 23:53:49 --- quit: Robert (Connection reset by peer) 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/03.12.15