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01:41:00 <wleslie> I was talking new, but yes, they are easier to get second hand
01:41:00 <zid> new as in new old stock?
01:41:00 <wleslie> I was looking at mouser and digikey I think
01:42:00 <wleslie> no idea who is making them
01:42:00 <zid> I'd find it surprising if people were making any, is all
07:08:00 <geist> maybe in coldfire form
07:18:00 <wleslie> I was sure I saw 68030s but after further igrepping I'm sure I'm mistaken somehow
07:40:00 <ad__> j`ey, zid just to say thanks foir yesterday. Finally issue with non working "bx lr" is that u-boot performrs his own relovcation to ram. I was just not calling it.
07:51:00 <zid> I hear it helps :p
08:17:00 <kazinsal> ooh, there's a public test for an ARM port of ESXi.
08:17:00 <kazinsal> kinda wish I had some ARM gear to test this on
08:18:00 <kazinsal> https://customerconnect.vmware.com/downloads/get-download?downloadGroup=ESXI-ARM <-- for anyone interested in that kind of weirdness
08:18:00 <bslsk05> customerconnect.vmware.com <no title>
08:19:00 <kazinsal> looks like you can join it to vCenter as well
08:20:00 <kazinsal> can't vMotion between different SoCs but this is pretty neat overall
08:21:00 <kazinsal> glad to see more ARM virtualization approaching the general usability point
09:15:00 <geist> Was wondering if they were ever going to release that
09:15:00 <geist> I saw it like 2 or 3 years ago at an arm conference thing
09:15:00 <geist> But i think they’ve just been screwing with it on the side waiting for a market to appear
09:38:00 <clever> geist: i saw something about how the new vector stuff in arm, will take a more of a repeat count, rather then being a hard-coded lane width, and then future versions of the cpu can do the same operation in fewer cycles, taking advantage of a wider hw vector unit
09:38:00 <clever> geist: what are your thoughts on arm becoming less RISC'y?
10:16:00 <opios2> hey
11:52:00 <chirag> Hello, I am Chirag
11:53:00 <GeDaMo> And now you're chir4gm :P
11:56:00 <vdamewood> And now you're gone.
15:45:00 <Bitweasil> Happy "Everyone Hates OS Developers!" post-weekend week. Everyone's time changing algorithms properly updated to screw you up for another few months?
15:46:00 * gog laughs in no DST in her time zone
15:46:00 <chirag> Haha, I guess so
15:47:00 <chirag> I spent the day figuring out this IRC thing....
15:48:00 <Bitweasil> What's to figure out? Join. Lurk. Discuss.
15:48:00 <Bitweasil> Set up a bouncer so you don't constantly join/part spam the channel.
15:49:00 <HeTo> Bitweasil: wait until you learn about other countries and how the EU had DST end over a week ago already
15:50:00 <chirag> What is a bouncer?
15:51:00 <gog> it's the guy at the door of the channel that checks if you have an osdev license
15:54:00 <chir4gm> What is a simple bouncer to use?
15:55:00 <chir4gm> Bitweasil: Thanks for the protip!
15:56:00 <Bitweasil> znc.
16:44:00 <geist> i actually <gasp> helped someone on the osdev discord last night
16:45:00 <geist> and then someone started posting dick memes
16:45:00 <geist> i dunno if this thing is a keeper or not
16:55:00 <kaichiuchu> there's an osdev discord?
17:03:00 <gog> geist: who are you in discord
17:30:00 <Geertiebear> geist: lmao who posted dick memes
17:32:00 <Geertiebear> gog: i think geist is legit just called geist
17:56:00 <geist> 'geist'
17:57:00 <geist> yah that's my general issue with the discord osdev community
17:57:00 <geist> it is set up nicely, mostly, though ti's fairly x86 centric
17:57:00 <geist> but then there's poeple with offensive names, and dick jokes, and etc etc
17:57:00 <geist> about the time i get comfortable with it i'm reminded how low brow it is sometimes
17:57:00 <geist> not that we dont do that here from time to time
17:58:00 <zid> cocks
17:58:00 <geist> and of course that's their prerogative, but it's just not my bag
17:59:00 <zid> There tends to be two kind of styles for places
17:59:00 <zid> either srs and has pros
17:59:00 <zid> or casual and has casual people
17:59:00 <geist> yah i think we try to bridge the gap by being srs when it needs to but casual but down to a specific level
18:00:00 <geist> ie, we generally dont tolerate racist, etc stuff
18:05:00 <gog> the person that posted the dick meme in the learning channel did get banned fwiw lol
18:09:00 <Geertiebear> geist: i mean, we do not tolerate racist stuff either, or any discriminatory stuff for that matter
18:10:00 <Geertiebear> and wrt. casual vs pro, I think the "style" of messages is definitely different, but I don't think that correlates to skill level at all
18:10:00 <Geertiebear> there are plenty of people on the osdev discord with very high osdev knowledge, and authors of pretty notable projects on there
18:10:00 <zid> and others who wouldn't touch it with 40 foot pole
18:10:00 <zid> personal tolerance level still factors in
18:10:00 <Geertiebear> of course
18:11:00 <Geertiebear> I'm not trying to say one is better than the other ofc, just nuancing a bit more
18:21:00 <ZetItUp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAliMv5_DWI pretty interesting if someone is interested with debugging your rasp pi code in windows
18:21:00 <bslsk05> 'Pi: Debug Your Pi Like a BOSS with Visual Studio' by Dave's Garage (00:16:25)
18:21:00 <zid> There's absolutely 0 chance I watch a video with a title like that even if it is ultimately interesting, sadly
18:22:00 <ZetItUp> :D
18:22:00 <j`ey> zid is not a BOSS
18:23:00 <gog> zid is a based king
18:23:00 <zid> Imagine calling yourself a rockstar/boss/whatever unironically
18:27:00 <ZetItUp> i hate when i start to think like "Is it even worth it" when doing osdev
18:27:00 <ZetItUp> but on the other hand, i think i have taught myself more by doing it, than doing anything else so
18:28:00 <gog> same
18:30:00 <ZetItUp> also looking at how other people are handling the same problem is pretty interesting :D
18:37:00 <geist> Geertiebear: yeah i understand. it's a style thing
18:37:00 <Geertiebear> yeah absolutely
18:42:00 <geist> well i figure i can at least carve out some space in the arm and riscv channels
18:42:00 <geist> though seems like there are some fairly knowledgable folks in arm at least
18:48:00 <kaichiuchu> it is a sad day when one wants to purchase a raspberry pi 4 model B 2GB for os development
18:48:00 <kaichiuchu> and it's out of stock. everywhere. :(
18:51:00 * sortie . o O (Starting a Foundation that buys RPi4s and mails them to random people ‘You are the chosen one’)
18:52:00 <ZetItUp> some local stores here has it in stock :D
18:53:00 <ZetItUp> that doesn't help you though :P
19:06:00 <j`ey> kaichiuchu: you can start with qemy!
19:06:00 <j`ey> qemu
19:09:00 <kaichiuchu> yeah I'm on it
19:09:00 <j`ey> kaichiuchu: let me know how it goes!
19:11:00 <kaichiuchu> I've never done anything with ARM, so we'll see how it goes indeed
19:11:00 <kaichiuchu> heh
19:18:00 <Geertiebear> geist: btw, if you're interested in risc arches, we from managarm are currenty porting the os to both arm and riscv
19:18:00 <Geertiebear> both being at varying stages of progress
19:19:00 <Geertiebear> sometimes korona (the author of the project) streams his riscv dev work
19:21:00 <extern> i need off topic channel
19:21:00 <extern> the more active the better
19:22:00 <kaichiuchu> um
19:23:00 <kaichiuchu> well, i don't think this is it
20:13:00 <Griwes> https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/1457789850258604034 this is hilarious
20:13:00 <bslsk05> twitter: <whitequark> i know why they did it this way but i still think it's beyond cursed <intel.com/content/www/us… https://t.co/TUGT4XqBI9> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDscFjeVgAQxLTX.jpg
20:16:00 <gog> lmao
20:16:00 <zid> That's an amazing fix
20:46:00 <geist> Geertiebear: noice
20:47:00 <geist> yah riscv is fun. i've worked on it by porting my embedded os (littlekernel) and then we have a riscv port of zircon at work
20:52:00 <Bitweasil> Uh...
20:52:00 <Bitweasil> Wait, scroll lock now has an impact on your processor scheduling?
20:52:00 <Bitweasil> Sure, why not.
20:52:00 <Bitweasil> It's 2021, it's a brave new world!
20:53:00 <zid> I am assuming it's SMI driven
20:53:00 <GeDaMo> Scroll lock disables some of the cores, I think
20:54:00 <zid> aren't you glad the ME can sniff your keyboard now bitches? :P
20:54:00 <zid> unplug your cpu cores via keyboard hotkey
20:59:00 <geist> it'd have to be more involved with the os at least
20:59:00 <geist> since widows would need to know to stop scheduling on the cores
20:59:00 <zid> windows might just support cpu hotplug now?
20:59:00 <geist> i'd want a proper turbo button
20:59:00 <geist> with a little LED counter of the number of cores
21:00:00 <geist> like press button and it goes from 24 to 16
21:00:00 <zid> Get a dual core alder lake, then your scroll lock is your core count indexed from 0
21:00:00 <zid> You could actually do that on my mobo geist
21:00:00 <zid> It has 2x 7 segment LED blocks on it
21:00:00 <geist> see there you go
21:00:00 <zid> port 0x80 or whatever for POST codes?
21:00:00 <geist> side note i actually bought one of those bios 7 segment boards recently
21:00:00 <geist> kinda neat
21:00:00 <geist> yah
21:01:00 <zid> Idk how you do port writes in windows though
21:01:00 <geist> alas it's PCI and ISA only, not sure anyone has made a PCIe post board
21:01:00 <zid> probably some drivers
21:02:00 <zid> https://www.highrez.co.uk/Downloads/InpOut32/default.htm
21:02:00 <bslsk05> www.highrez.co.uk <no title>
21:04:00 <zid> hmm what do I do with a .lib file
21:04:00 <kazinsal> link it in and pray it works
21:04:00 <zid> The former part
21:04:00 <zid> is not a thing I can do
21:04:00 <zid> open it in IDA, dump the function I intend to call? :p
21:04:00 <kazinsal> objcopy it to a format you can link in, link it in, and pray it works
21:04:00 <zid> oh I can just dlopen the dll
21:09:00 <zid> oh hey it works
21:10:00 <zid> I should hook it up to cpu temp or something, I just made it print 0-ff over and over
21:12:00 <zid> I need to uninstall this driver now though it's a massive security hole :D
21:15:00 <zid> ..how do I do that
21:16:00 <junon> what in fresh hell is this scroll lock nonsense?
21:16:00 <zid> alder lake has
21:16:00 <junon> I thought I got rid of my packard bell years ago
21:16:00 <zid> good cores, and super shit 'efficient' cores
21:16:00 <kazinsal> too many video game DRM systems use the most atrocious code known to man and explode on alder lake because of the efficiency cores
21:17:00 <zid> there's a bios hack to disable the 'efficient' cores to stop games getting scheduled onto them
21:17:00 <junon> hahahaha
21:17:00 <junon> brilliant.
21:19:00 <zid> pnputil is bloody useless it only gives vendor name and driver date
21:19:00 <zid> I need filenames
21:21:00 <zid> okay 3rd party tool called autoruns it is then
21:33:00 <Bitweasil> Port 80 POST code boards are just fun. :D
21:33:00 <Bitweasil> I have a dual Xeon board that I was using for compute, I had a little script to show current tasks on the counter.
21:34:00 <Bitweasil> zid, the "shit" cores are Skylake-grade performance on fairly little power. It's the first interesting Intel chip in quite some time.
21:34:00 <Bitweasil> Not that I'm going to get one.
21:34:00 <Bitweasil> Modern consumer tech and I have been rather diverging lately. :(
21:41:00 <jimbzy> Bitweasil, Are you saying you're not ready for the fully immersive toilet experience?
21:42:00 <Bitweasil> I have an opinion about "Metaverses" and "Things involving a toilet," yes. :p
21:42:00 <Bitweasil> Alternately, "Wait, who am I giving a swirlie to?"
21:43:00 <jimbzy> Yourself!
21:48:00 <Bitweasil> I've been reading up on the Alder Lake stuff out of curiosity, and it does look promising, especially with DDR5 performance boosts.
21:48:00 <Bitweasil> But then I realize that I literally don't need compute performance for anything.
22:19:00 <machinecode> Which engine?
22:20:00 <kazinsal> I'm a fan of the C30A myself
22:21:00 <machinecode> Hm
22:21:00 <zid> rolls-royce merlin
22:22:00 <zid> go big or go home
22:49:00 <Bitweasil> Yeah... a big V12 swinging a huge constant speed prop with a geared supercharger behind it is pretty legit. :D
22:49:00 <Bitweasil> Low pass from a P-51 or similar at high power? Yes, please!