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00:02:00 <jimbzy> Dang. sat in the recline to 'rest my eyes' and nodded off :P
00:08:00 <heat> happy new year mofos
00:08:00 <kaichiuchi> it's not time yet
00:08:00 <kaichiuchi> 5 hours
00:08:00 <heat> lmao
00:08:00 <heat> imagine living in not GMT/BST
00:08:00 <heat> couldn't be me
00:14:00 <pogchamp> happy new year
00:14:00 <sortie> happy new year (UTC) :D
00:14:00 <pogchamp> happy new year heat
00:14:00 <pogchamp> happy new year zid
00:14:00 <kaichiuchi> new years present: a house
00:14:00 <pogchamp> happy new year sortie
00:14:00 <sortie> Year of the Sortix desktop
00:14:00 <pogchamp> yes
00:14:00 <pogchamp> tranglix
00:14:00 <sortie> TRIANGLIX
00:14:00 <sortie> TRIANGLIXXXXXXXXXxxxx
00:15:00 <sortie> Those were the days
00:15:00 <sham1> Happy new ear to all
00:15:00 <sortie> pogchamp, fun fact it literally still ships in Sortix
00:15:00 <pogchamp> nicec
00:16:00 <sham1> I hope this year will be less hectic and I'll be able to actually do recreational programming of any kind
00:18:00 <sham1> Both university and work took away all the time I could have put into programming, and because work is also programming… I certainly hope this year will be better
00:20:00 <kaichiuchi> i hope to be happy with something I write and not get into an rm -rf loop constantly
00:20:00 <heat> you sure?
00:20:00 <heat> how is that std::function coming along
00:21:00 <kaichiuchi> don't need it right this second
00:21:00 <kaichiuchi> I can't use cringeharold but picture it
00:21:00 <kaichiuchi> I'm serious, I need to be happy with stuff I write
00:21:00 <jimbzy> heat, So you're a time traveler? ;)
00:21:00 <heat> kaichiuchi, there you have it
00:22:00 <kaichiuchi> thanks
00:22:00 <heat> jimbzy, im one of those commies in europe
00:23:00 <epony> are you sure?
00:23:00 <epony> by the looks of it you're a fascie
00:23:00 <jimbzy> Apparently, I'm one of those commies here in the US.
00:24:00 <epony> are you sure ;-)
00:24:00 <epony> looks like you have a mountain of weight
00:24:00 <heat> oh no
00:24:00 <heat> someone call senator mccarthy!
00:25:00 <epony> you do not have senators in a society of commons
00:25:00 <epony> call the spririt of manitu instead if you want to
00:26:00 * epony shoots an arrow in the cyclope eye of imperialism
00:26:00 <epony> you have really no idea
00:26:00 <jimbzy> True story. I was repairing a cooler at a tavern in the middle of nowhere on Thursday and the people at the bar were talking about how a free 'Murica shouldn't allow people to move from state to state without authorization...
00:27:00 <epony> tapping into older forms of governance
00:27:00 <epony> (territorial-feodalites)
00:28:00 <epony> all problems are solvable ;-)
00:29:00 <epony> especially the artificially created false ones
00:29:00 <mrvn> no way. you where drinking during workhours pretending to repair a cooler I'm sure. I mean, calibrating the temperature of the beer cooler.
00:29:00 <jimbzy> I disrupted their conversation by discharging the motor capacitor using a screwdriver. XD
00:29:00 <jimbzy> It wasn't a beer cooler, it was a soda cooler.
00:29:00 <mrvn> less fun
00:31:00 <epony> you can have a beer too
00:31:00 <sham1> I would imagine that a soda cooler could also be used for beer
00:31:00 <epony> sure
00:32:00 <sham1> It's not like it looks at its content, sees that it's beer and refuses to work
00:32:00 <jimbzy> It's technically against the loan policy, but I'm sure it happens.
00:32:00 <sham1> Ah
00:32:00 <jimbzy> We own the equipment to businesses and provide them with product.
00:32:00 <jimbzy> loan. Damn brain no workie.
00:32:00 <sham1> Technical possibility Vs contractual possibility
00:32:00 <epony> we own our production facilities
00:33:00 <geist> heat: hows PCI workin?
00:34:00 <epony> slightly different than PCIe
00:34:00 <heat> geist, i haven't written codes yet, I've spent the day picking #coreboot's brains for some answers RE: ACPI and doing this on PC
00:34:00 <jimbzy> We have a few service contracts with businesses that have the competitors product, too. If it cools, dispenses or makes ice we work on it.
00:34:00 <geist> heat: nice, ie You Did OSDEV
00:34:00 <sham1> Ah yes, multiple codes
00:34:00 <epony> jimbzy, you're cool
00:34:00 <heat> all of the codes
00:34:00 <epony> but who's making the beer ;-)
00:35:00 <jimbzy> Not really, but the product is when I'm done ;)
00:36:00 <epony> the difference between beer and other "beverages" is the longevity of the consumer (you have lifelong followers)
00:36:00 <jimbzy> I don't mess with the beer equipment unless it's something super simple, like a like in a CO2 line.
00:37:00 <epony> the delivery mechanisms change and get zapped and rebuilt by the decade
00:38:00 <epony> the fundamental principles remain in "the production" cycle
00:38:00 <jimbzy> You'd be surprised, epony. If I'm working on a fountain and a customer's flavor is out of order they'll usually just walk away instead of getting something else.
00:38:00 <jimbzy> Or grab a bottle or can from a cooler.
00:38:00 <epony> you can have fun
00:38:00 <epony> but it's a "relatively simple" process
00:39:00 <jimbzy> What is?
00:39:00 <epony> compared to the programmable semiconductor complex circuitry with high level of integration, it's really fun and megafun
00:40:00 <epony> different classes of "technology"
00:40:00 <epony> it's not that different in the piperwork and cooling
00:40:00 <epony> but conceptually different in the central energeting exchange technology
00:40:00 <epony> "energetic"
00:40:00 <jimbzy> Oh, yeah it's pretty simple and repetitive.
00:41:00 <epony> that's why it's so "liked"
00:41:00 <epony> because it's consistent and reliable
00:41:00 <epony> these propreties and strives can be carried over, they are not unique, they are appealing and important
00:41:00 <jimbzy> It's oddly satisfying, too. I like walking into a busy restaurant and being able to get them back up and running.
00:43:00 <jimbzy> It's not great when a live valve goes and I get sprayed with sugar water, but there are worse things in life.
00:43:00 <epony> spoil the temperature and you get some barrels getting refurbished
00:43:00 <epony> these are environmental conditions
00:43:00 <epony> but the culture process happening in beer fermentation is relatively simple and predictable
00:43:00 <mrvn> isn't that all syrup and plain water?
00:44:00 <epony> in semiconductors it's a lot more complex, you have to have a public of "taking all the shit there is to it" like consumer resellers pour
00:44:00 <jimbzy> mrvn, Yep.
00:45:00 <jimbzy> 5 parts syrup to 1 part carbonated water usually.
00:45:00 <epony> in that regard, consumer electronics resellers are your best friend when all your production is getting spoiled with accidents and incidents
00:45:00 <mrvn> oh, would have thought it would be the other way around. Saving 1/6th the volume doesdn't sound like it saves much
00:46:00 <jimbzy> You're right. I'm still half asleep here. Got some coffee brewing.
00:46:00 <epony> get a couple of hours of rest
00:46:00 <epony> if you need it, take it
00:46:00 <epony> you have my permission
00:47:00 <jimbzy> It's not even 7pm here.
00:47:00 <mrvn> Getting close to 2am and the noise has stopped.
00:47:00 <epony> nice
00:48:00 <epony> you can now drink a bit and walk the funny walk on the stairs
00:52:00 <epony> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4
00:52:00 <bslsk05> 'Disturbed - The Sound Of Silence [Official Music Video]' by Disturbed (00:04:19)
00:57:00 <pogchamp> meow
00:58:00 <epony> I dedicate this song to your departed fellows.
01:00:00 <zid> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/232377444877729792/1058901506411221052/FlPTK2OWAAEH9Sg-1.png
01:09:00 <kaichiuchi> my 3090ti sounds like a windtunnel
01:16:00 <epony> can't bring back dead pixels
01:51:00 <heat> wanna try my 930MX?
01:51:00 <heat> you cant hear it, very good, lets trade
02:01:00 <zid> heat: showoff
02:02:00 <heat> i show my big gpu off beacause I need to compensate
02:02:00 <heat> because*
02:02:00 <heat> I blame my typos on being slightly under the influence
02:08:00 <zid> of spaniards no doubt, knew you were a spy
02:11:00 <heat> pogchamp's boss is my handler
02:11:00 <pogchamp> yes'
02:12:00 <pogchamp> he told me all about his espionage
02:12:00 <heat> hola gog trabajar cuando?
02:12:00 <heat> - your boss
02:12:00 <zid> yes, my trabajar's have been very cuandoed
02:12:00 <pogchamp> estoy malado no quero trabajar
02:13:00 <heat> wtf's malado?
02:13:00 <heat> also quiero*
02:14:00 <pogchamp> sorry i'm confusing french and spanish
02:14:00 <pogchamp> enferma
02:14:00 <kaichiuchi> sometimes I come here and think of this
02:14:00 <zid> portogoose is way harder to get translations for than brasigoose
02:14:00 <kaichiuchi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQQ6wNfkcmc
02:14:00 <bslsk05> 'Soylent Green Eating Scene' by ElitistScum (00:02:12)
02:14:00 <zid> is there a tool I can write to convert spanish to portogoose
02:14:00 <heat> slight typos
02:15:00 <heat> estou doente, não quero trabalhar
02:15:00 <heat> olá gog, (trabalhar quando?/trabalhar para quando?)
02:16:00 <pogchamp> estoy muerto no puedo trabajar
02:16:00 <heat> estou morto, não posso trabalhar
02:17:00 <pogchamp> crazy gibberish
02:17:00 <heat> also muerta*
02:17:00 <pogchamp> i don't know what gender is ok heat
02:17:00 <pogchamp> no entiendo las generas
02:17:00 <pogchamp> no me importa, entonces
02:17:00 <heat> género
02:18:00 <heat> or in portuguese, género
02:18:00 <pogchamp> blather
02:18:00 <heat> man this is a silly country
02:18:00 <pogchamp> same tho
02:18:00 <heat> what 600 years of spanish and andalusian dominance does to a mofo
02:19:00 <heat> i actually find spanish super hard to learn because it's so damn similar in so many aspects
02:19:00 <heat> "is this spanish or just bullshit portuguese?"
02:28:00 <kaichiuchi> i can't speak spanish
02:28:00 <kaichiuchi> dad never taught me it
02:29:00 <heat> you should learn it
02:29:00 <heat> keep the tradition alive
02:29:00 <heat> also family members I assume
02:29:00 <kaichiuchi> yes
02:29:00 <heat> mexican?
02:29:00 <kaichiuchi> dominican
02:30:00 <heat> ah
02:30:00 <zid> I thought they spoke dominican
02:30:00 <zid> is that just fancy spanish
02:30:00 <heat> they speak dom
02:30:00 <heat> the rest of latin america speaks sub
02:30:00 <zid> heat only speaks sub, no communicado possible :(
02:31:00 <pogchamp> i
02:31:00 <kaichiuchi> in 2.5 hours, it will be new years
02:31:00 <kaichiuchi> heat: why are you playing wine64-preloader
02:31:00 <kaichiuchi> a strange game
02:31:00 <heat> it's football manager 2023
02:31:00 <heat> under proton
02:31:00 <zid> that makes sense for a game he'd play
02:32:00 <zid> bloody moldovans
02:32:00 <heat> you're also genetically predisposed to play football manager
02:33:00 <zid> heat carry me in rock league
02:33:00 <heat> i haven't played that in like a year
02:33:00 <zid> same
02:33:00 <heat> i got wayyy too upset playing that
02:33:00 <zid> oh you're a rager kid, no thanks then
02:33:00 <heat> it was better for my health
02:33:00 <zid> also whoa you have eu4 achis
02:33:00 <zid> not many, but you do!
02:33:00 <heat> i have achis on all of them
02:34:00 <zid> As Portugal, have a colony in Brazil and in Africa.
02:34:00 <zid> Not so sad a state...
02:34:00 <zid> do you have this one
02:34:00 <heat> yes
02:34:00 <zid> good boy
02:35:00 <heat> https://i.imgur.com/JAjk2Q1.png hehe funny number
02:35:00 <zid> 1444 is the correct number of hours
02:35:00 <zid> I have 1816 though :(
02:36:00 <heat> 5 more to go
02:36:00 <zid> because in 1821 The United States takes possession of its newly bought territory of Florida from Spain.
02:37:00 <zid> December 19 – The Eyjafjallajökull volcano in Iceland begins to erupt.
02:37:00 <zid> That cursed bastard again
02:40:00 <pogchamp> i want it to erupt again if only to disrupt air traffic in europe and annoy people
02:41:00 <pogchamp> hot and annoying
02:41:00 <heat> you're also hot and annoying
02:41:00 <heat> 'tis life
02:41:00 <pogchamp> exactly
02:42:00 <zid> I am also annoying.
02:43:00 <kaichiuchi> yeah.
02:43:00 <kaichiuchi> but it seems that we love you
02:43:00 * kaichiuchi pat
02:43:00 <heat> i love everyone and hate everything
02:44:00 <pogchamp> i love u heat bazinga
02:44:00 <heat> aww <3
02:44:00 <heat> love you too, bazel
03:18:00 <zid> damn, I got emotionally invested into the life circumstances of that onin
03:18:00 <zid> onion*
03:18:00 <zid> I cried when I tortured it and cut it into bits, usually I do it with a poker face
03:23:00 <heat> monster
06:33:00 <vai> hi all
06:33:00 <vai> happy new year
09:20:00 * geist waves in the new year
09:33:00 <mrvn> vai: promises, promises
10:46:00 <vai> mrvn: soon 6 months without a light of cigarette :-)
10:46:00 <vai> I feel good
10:52:00 <GeDaMo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-rn7i_ETYc
10:52:00 <bslsk05> 'James Brown - I Feel Good 1965 (Remastered)' by The Music Channel (00:02:46)
10:53:00 <mrvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVD6G7koJfk
10:53:00 <bslsk05> 'I feel good prank sound | tiktok compilation' by Randon Channel 2030 (00:14:17)
10:53:00 <mrvn> much more happy
11:19:00 <pogchamp> meow
11:21:00 <vai> mrvn: yeah listened to it
11:21:00 <vai> I like it
12:24:00 <kaichiuchi> hi
12:38:00 <sham1> New year, new me
12:40:00 <pogchamp> i'm the same
12:41:00 <sham1> While it's very much a cliché, there's certainly something to be said about trying to turn a year to the better
13:48:00 <kaichiuchi> year++;
14:04:00 <FireFly> add 1 to year giving year
14:21:00 <sham1> year += 1;
15:30:00 <clever> year++;
16:09:00 <kof123> <ziid ghost from backlog " the correct number of hours"> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtY1wCvIbno </ghost ziid> "don't even think about jumping between buildings!"
16:09:00 <bslsk05> '5-11 bLiNd - Slam Shufflin' (Slam Shuffle)' by cletus223 (00:05:20)
17:19:00 <kaichiuchi> I'm really thinking about giving gentoo a try (on VM)
17:19:00 <zid> well, see you in 20 minutes when you're done installing it then?
17:21:00 <kaichiuchi> is it really only a 20 minute process
17:22:00 <kaichiuchi> I don't believe that
17:22:00 <zid> yea it's literally just untarring stage3 to your install media from a livecd and you're technically done
17:22:00 <zid> the rest is just.. configuring
17:24:00 <zid> i.e if you want it to boot from grub, configuring grub. If you want your clock set, setting your clock, etc.
17:24:00 <zid> rather than it just being a wizard that asks you some basic questions
17:26:00 <zid> s/i.e/e.g/
17:49:00 <kaichiuchi> hm
17:49:00 <kaichiuchi> so far it works fine
17:50:00 <zid> did you remember to run irssi from the installer and do everything through /exec -o
17:50:00 <zid> like a proper gentoo user
17:50:00 <kaichiuchi> no
17:51:00 <zid> smh
17:51:00 <zid> gemtoo users
17:51:00 <zid> Now the fun part begins, anyway
17:52:00 <zid> setting up things in /etc/conf.d/, emerge lsof pciutils vim xfce4-meta bc nmap etc
17:52:00 <kaichiuchi> you use gentoo and I think you're insane
17:52:00 <zid> DuNpv are the flags you want for emerge
17:52:00 <kaichiuchi> but there's something nice about -mtune=native -march=native everywhere
17:52:00 <zid> (deep dependancy checks, updates, new use flags, pretend, verbose)
17:53:00 <zid> it'll give you a list of every package it wants to pull it, which use flags are set for each, etc
17:53:00 <zid> tweak, run again until happy, remove p
18:02:00 <zid> If you remember to install everything before your first reboot such that you don't need to re-mount your system from the livecd you did well
18:02:00 <zid> I always forget something crucial, like dhcpcd
18:04:00 <epony> that's from the method of "installation" because you're accustomed to all-in-one distributions which you have to then "explore" and "configure" that discovery system understandign is missing
18:05:00 <epony> if you're not dealing with "manually" getting to find out and configure / setup services you need
18:05:00 <epony> when it's all intalled and toggled on / unconfigured, it's hard to get to know whch is what, why that particular choice is made, is there a better variant or even what its purpose are
18:06:00 <epony> so you're confronted with the "windows approach" to tweaking "services" which basically sucks and blows at the same time
18:06:00 <epony> both for discovery and reliable / consistent understanding and setup
18:07:00 <epony> and thus people fail to learn protocols and services and their applied use, and get easy mixed up / forgetting things
18:08:00 <epony> the control panel in graphical systems is the "convenient" but "weak" and "problematic" way to setup things
18:09:00 <epony> the understanding into the mechanics and actual events / details happening is missing, does not connect protocol with tunables with service / importance and there is no correlation in the person / operator what is actually happening where on the system
18:15:00 <kaichiuchi> i can promise you this
18:15:00 <kaichiuchi> 98% of people on this planet don't give two shits
18:15:00 <kaichiuchi> they want it to work, and so do I
18:17:00 <kaichiuchi> if you have to fiddle with 829374982893479 different things to make something work, it's fundamentally a bad system
18:17:00 <kaichiuchi> but this is the way of the world
18:22:00 <heat> B
18:35:00 <jimbzy> Happy Gnu Year!
18:47:00 <geist> zid: hmm, wonder if it's tsill documented how to build from stage 1
18:47:00 <geist> i used to enjoy doing that
18:47:00 <geist> also... yawn
18:47:00 <jimbzy> I hear that.
18:47:00 <geist> forced myself to get up a bit earlier today and will again tomorrow
18:48:00 <geist> to try to reset schedule. going to be sleepy. hate being sleepy
18:48:00 <jimbzy> Switching from nights to days, or just been keeping strange hours?
18:49:00 <geist> mostly just 'strange hours'
18:50:00 <jimbzy> It happens. I went from working 10pm-6am to 7am to 3pm, and in a few months I'll be working 12pm to 8pm, so I don't know what day it is anymore. :p
18:51:00 <jimbzy> It sucks being off schedule, too.
19:28:00 <geist> yeah it's not quite that strange, just need to pull it in 3 or 4 hours
19:29:00 <jimbzy> Right on.
19:31:00 <jimbzy> It's even weirder for me because my kid has been off school for a bit.
19:33:00 <jimbzy> Today, I'm doing laundry and watching a YouTube series on building a multi-band superhetrodye receiver for HF.
19:38:00 <jimbzy> I thought about doing a direct-conversion receiver, but I figure if I'm going to build something I might as well build something nice. This one uses an Arduino Nano and an AD9850 direct digital synthesizer for the VFO signal.
19:52:00 <geist> yeah kinda my day too, minus the radio
19:52:00 <geist> laundry, cleanig up the house, etc
19:55:00 <pogchamp> nya
19:55:00 <jimbzy> Yeah, doing some of that stuff, too. I'm off tomorrow, too, and I plan on redoing the caulking in the master bathroom. I got all the old stuff taken out, and it hasn't been used in a couple of days so it should be nice and dry.
19:55:00 <pogchamp> i'm trying to take it easy i'm not well
19:57:00 <jimbzy> Sorry to hear that, pogchamp :(
19:57:00 <pogchamp> yeah idk what the deal is. i'm gonna go get checked out tomorrow
20:06:00 <jimbzy> Funky bugs going around this winter. I caught the flu a few weeks ago and I still don't feel right.
20:26:00 <heat> how do you assemble a true device tree of things in the kernel?
20:27:00 <heat> assuming a bus-type - bus - device kind of device model like liux
20:27:00 <heat> linux*
20:27:00 <heat> the problem being that the same physical device can be replicated in multiple buses - think ACPI
20:29:00 <heat> also, another problem - if a device is described by PCI and ACPI, what mechanism do you use for power management, etc?
23:53:00 <kaichiuchi> the word of god