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01:07:00 <epony> sounds very dangerous to put your language in the windy side of farts eyeTunes (buttbuttination cheeks)
01:10:00 <epony> In the Terry Davis joints and the TempeOF d00m3d..
01:10:00 <epony> truelly a bag o'men
04:49:00 <Jari--_> good morning from www.jkl.fi
04:49:00 <bslsk05> www.jkl.fi <timeout>
04:50:00 <Jari--_> www.jyvaskyla.fi
04:50:00 <bslsk05> www.jyvaskyla.fi: Jyväskylän kaupunki | Jyväskylä.fi
14:43:00 <zid> I home, now with burned fingie
14:45:00 <mrvn> are you typing with your nose or a pencil in your mouth?
14:45:00 <GeDaMo> You wish :|
14:46:00 <zid> I wish I had a burned fingie? nope
14:46:00 <zid> it hurty
14:48:00 <mjg> watch some goggins
14:49:00 <zid> she she a vtuber
14:50:00 <zid> is*
14:50:00 <mjg> give me your address, i'll send you a waifu
15:17:00 <zid> is it a magical finger healing waifu
15:38:00 <mjg> zid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cLPFcsnoSU
15:38:00 <bslsk05> 'Batman and Robin’s Falling Out' by Solid jj (00:02:37)
15:39:00 <zid> batman is heat's waifu not mine
16:13:00 <mats2> for zid https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/597206378855268372/1069017168060104794/recode.mp4
16:26:00 <mrvn> "I'm not worried about Maze. I'm worried about Canada."
20:32:00 <geist> ah a nice lazy sunda
20:34:00 <clever> less lazy here, i shoveled some snow
20:34:00 <zid> I burninated myself.
20:34:00 <geist> no burninate!
20:34:00 <geist> yah there's a cold spell here today, just above freezing, though sun is out
20:36:00 <clever> ive had 3 short power outages in the last 48h
20:36:00 <clever> most anoying part, is that when my ip changes, google ad's forget who i am, and all the YT ad's turn french
20:36:00 <clever> it reveals that a lot of the profiling, isnt tied to your acct
20:37:00 <geist> yah i have recently discovered the downside of not doing NAT translation on your ipv6 addresses
20:38:00 <geist> if the exterbal one changes, suddenly all of your internal ip addresses are wrong, and it takes some amount of time for all the computers to re-figure it out
20:38:00 <geist> since basically the /64 prefix changes on them
20:40:00 <clever> i'm still on v4 here
20:41:00 <clever> my isp doesnt offer v6, and an array of problems have made a v6 gateway a problem
20:41:00 <clever> for example, netflix now detects if v6 and v4 dont agree on your location, and just blocks playback entirely
20:41:00 <clever> they think your v4 proxy is leaking v6 connections
20:41:00 <geist> yah as much as i dislike xfinity in general, they at least do v6
20:42:00 <geist> and yeah no point bothering wiht a v6 gateway, there's no advantage there except tinkering
20:43:00 <zid> v6 gateway is so you can have cool rdns on irc
20:44:00 <clever> v6 gateway also helps if you need multiple port 80 services for ex
20:44:00 <clever> and less dns to update when your v4 changes
20:46:00 <mrvn> and if you want to do netflix why not simply block one of v4 or v6?
20:47:00 <geist> yeah but at that poit you're just using it as a VPN
20:47:00 <mrvn> which you probably want for netflix anyway so you can watch shows in english.
20:47:00 <geist> actually a question is does netflix even expose their stuff over v6
20:48:00 <zid> You could host your own subdomains' DNS
20:48:00 <zid> and update everything together
20:48:00 <clever> mrvn: in the past, i used a /proc file to tell my tablet to ignore v6 RA packets
20:48:00 <clever> so it decayed to v4 only
20:48:00 <clever> but i lack root on the new tablet
20:48:00 <theWeaver> how do i get cool RDNS for IRC
20:48:00 <zid> set up an ipv6 tunnel
20:48:00 <mrvn> you can't block netflix on v6 on your router?
20:48:00 <clever> mrvn: i could, hadnt considered it at the time
20:48:00 <zid> and get the ip's rdns delegated to something you control
20:48:00 <geist> blocking by ip is somewhat more difficult on v6
20:49:00 <clever> but dns could just delete AAAA records for the whole domain?
20:49:00 <geist> or at least it's not as obvious what range of addresses is a host or a service or whatnot
20:49:00 <clever> just lie, and claim not found
20:49:00 <geist> yah at dns it's easier
20:49:00 <zid> theWeaver: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/417023075348119556/1069358657592111306/image.png like tso
20:49:00 <geist> OTOH the addresses netflix connects to may be just aws-* (though i dunno if netflix runs their own stuff)
20:49:00 <zid> ns1.afraid.org manages my dns for that ip range
20:49:00 <theWeaver> :o
20:50:00 <mrvn> geist: blocking the DNS for *.entflix.com is probably more effective
20:50:00 <zid> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/417023075348119556/1069358902224891914/image.png and then afraid.org lets me do this
20:50:00 <clever> geist: there are also 2 different types of servers netflix can be hosting, the active servers that phone-home with your real ip and geolocation, and the passive CDN servers that just host media
20:50:00 <geist> yep. i do a lot of dns blocking for ads and stuff at my router
20:50:00 <theWeaver> zid: if you're so smart why do you have a plain virginmedia rdns for IRC
20:51:00 <clever> the active servers have far less bandwidth to deal with, and are easier to block/proxy
20:51:00 <zid> cus my ipv4 is fucked rn
20:51:00 <zid> packet loss etc
20:51:00 <zid> makes the tunnel a terrible experience
20:51:00 <zid> as it adds extra hops and latency
20:51:00 <theWeaver> surely your ipv6 is fucked
20:51:00 <geist> also i've found at least on the old freenode that they were always network klining swaths of those sort of things
20:51:00 <theWeaver> also my ipv6 is also fucked currently
20:51:00 <theWeaver> telekom's ipv6 routing is bullshit rn
20:51:00 <geist> you could easily get hoovered up into a kline
20:51:00 <theWeaver> zid: r u bri'ish
20:51:00 <zid> my ipv6 tunnel would be fucked, because it's.. tunneled over ipv4
20:51:00 <theWeaver> orite
20:52:00 <theWeaver> can't you tunnel it over ipv6 :thonk:
20:52:00 <zid> https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/7b7b1883d01f3f374bad927733a8483422553bec-28-01-2023.png
20:52:00 <zid> that's just a vpn :P
20:52:00 <theWeaver> o
20:52:00 <clever> also, at one time, netflix didnt catch the v4/v6 mismatch
20:52:00 <clever> and gave me the american lineup
20:53:00 <geist> and your tv glowed with a golden hue that you were able to bask in for that fleeting moment
20:53:00 <geist> ever since then you have longed for that
20:53:00 <geist> just ever out of reach
20:53:00 <zid> no his TV told him to drink the verification can of mountain dew but he could not
20:53:00 <mrvn> clever: I have a v4/v6 mismatch because my ISP NATs v4. Not enough IPs in the world.
20:54:00 <geist> oh god that would suck
20:54:00 <geist> having your ISP nat your shit
20:54:00 <mrvn> it does.
20:54:00 <clever> cgnat
20:54:00 <zid> yea all my german friends have no ipv4
20:55:00 <zid> they all share the same ipv4 address
20:55:00 <mrvn> makes you hate stuff that doesn't do v6
20:55:00 <geist> as much as everyone loves to poop on american broadband, etc i dont think any of them NAT
20:55:00 <geist> (though i say that i'm sure there are some somewhere, just because)
20:55:00 <zid> UK has more addresses than people cus.. we're important
20:55:00 <zid> germany has fewer
20:55:00 <zid> We'll have to sell them some soon probably
20:56:00 <zid> When we start to turn into mini russia, oligarchs will sell our IPs while we sit in the snow
20:56:00 <geist> yah i am pleased just based on traffic reports from my router that i get about 50/50 on v4/v6
20:56:00 <geist> though may be skewed a bit higher towards v6 because of work
21:01:00 <c2a1> germany has less ip addresses than people?
21:02:00 <mrvn> certrainly less than devices
21:02:00 <c2a1> that's interesting
21:02:00 <c2a1> that depends on your definition of device
21:02:00 <mrvn> c2a1: routers
21:02:00 <geist> i think in general phones tolerate being natted okay. i suspect most ip addresses handed to smartphones are behind a nat right now
21:03:00 <clever> one hotel i visited years ago, charged per day, per device
21:03:00 <c2a1> so more people have intranets not on the internet?
21:03:00 <clever> but purely by chance, i had brought my own router, and they offered ethernet
21:03:00 <geist> probably the best way of putting it is 'ip address per household'
21:03:00 <clever> so i was able to just clone mac, and NAT
21:03:00 <c2a1> i wonder what the statistic for the us is
21:06:00 <mrvn> There are also a bunch of IP networks assigned to stuff that doesn't need that much while other stuff (like ISP) has grown beyond their alloted IP ranges.
21:07:00 <c2a1> do you are talking about ipv4
21:07:00 <c2a1> *so
21:08:00 <geist> yah i think this is all implied to be v4. i doubt there are any allocation issues with v6 right now
21:08:00 <mrvn> hard to do with more IPs than atoms in the universe
21:08:00 <clever> the entire 5.0.0.0/8 range used to be reserved, and a vpn i used was (ab)using it
21:08:00 <geist> i was surprised that my ISP would even give me more than >/64
21:08:00 <clever> but recently, that range has become available for public use, and caused a few conflicts
21:08:00 <geist> i actually ask for and get a full /60, which gives me 16 VLANs worth of v6 addresses
21:10:00 <c2a1> did any of you use aix ever
21:10:00 <c2a1> or use a bbs(second question)?
21:10:00 <geist> no and yes
21:11:00 <c2a1> because from what i've seen on ibm's site it is pretty lightweight(like openbsd, as far as memory requirements go)
21:11:00 <mrvn> geist: can't you do a /80 per host? That allows for using the MAC for the last 48 bits.
21:11:00 <geist> yeah but it's not specced that way. a /64 is basically a subnet by definition
21:11:00 <c2a1> and that intrigued me due to solaris and hp-ux being the opposite
21:12:00 <geist> and there is a defined mechanism to splat the mac address into the last 64 bits, or just make up a random
21:12:00 <geist> which is the i think general solution for non DHCP based v6
21:12:00 <mrvn> geist: yeah, I never understood that part. What is the point of the extra 64bit if the first 64bit make the address unique?
21:12:00 <geist> basically each computer is assigned a /64 subnet based on v6 discovery and then they just start making up random 64 suffixes and cycling through them
21:13:00 <geist> the first 64 dont make it uniqe. the first 64 is basically 'what subnet are you on' and is fully routable
21:13:00 <mrvn> and everyone knows that so any tracking software can just ignore the last 64bit.
21:14:00 <geist> so in my case i have 16 subnets at my house, which i assign to different vlans. a company could ask for a larger run like say a /56 or whatnot and then they have a full 8 bits of subnets
21:14:00 <geist> internally they can route them how they want, but the end up on the external net untranslated
21:15:00 <mrvn> geist: but as you said you can't assign a /80 to something per design. So each /64 identifies a host. Unless you need more than 64k ports what really is the point of the extra 64bit?
21:16:00 <c2a1> geist, did you use aix
21:16:00 <geist> no, the /64 identifies a *subnet*
21:16:00 <geist> within that subnet there can be up to 2^64 devices
21:17:00 <geist> each device makes up its own /64 suffix, or multiple ones, or is assigned by a DHCPv6 server
21:17:00 <mrvn> geist: but there aren't since one device gets itelse a /64 and fills in some random bits / MAC in the lower 64bit.
21:17:00 <mrvn> s/itelse/itself/
21:17:00 <geist> no. that's simpy not how it works
21:18:00 <geist> my router says 'your subnet <this 64bit prefix>' and basically broadcasts it periodically
21:18:00 <geist> a device comes up and says 'okay, got it, <prefix>:<random suffix> is my address'
21:18:00 <geist> then all the devices on the sae subnet have the same /64 prefix
21:19:00 <mrvn> geist: ok, that makes more sense. Doesn't work when you hand out subnets to hosts though.
21:19:00 <geist> right, so when my router askes for an address it's using DHCPv6, and it explicitly asks via an option for a > /64 prefix
21:20:00 <geist> which it gives me in this case. so it assigns a prefix that's aligned to /60
21:20:00 <geist> which then implicitly says that everything under the /60 is routable, so then the router splits that among vlans
21:21:00 <geist> but in this case the router asking for a subnet is a bit different from asking for a full host
21:21:00 <mrvn> and then you can have 16 hosts that each have their own subnet, I get that.
21:21:00 <geist> well, not exactly that. you're still tying /64 to a host
21:22:00 <geist> you simply have a full /60 prefix, and thus can sub assign everything with 68 bits of prefix
21:22:00 <geist> and the ISP is saying 'i'll route anytihng with the bottom 68 bits of this prefix'
21:25:00 <c2a1> aix
21:26:00 <c2a1> if anyone uses it
21:26:00 <geist> i assume you mean aix the OS?
21:26:00 <c2a1> yes
21:26:00 <geist> the one that ibm finally killed the other day
21:26:00 <c2a1> wait what
21:27:00 <c2a1> that's not true
21:28:00 <geist> well killed as in i think they finally officially announced EOL or something
21:28:00 <geist> i had read it a few weeks back
21:28:00 <c2a1> right
21:28:00 <c2a1> https://www.ibm.com/products/aix?utm_content=SRCWW&p1=Search&p4=43700074687254059&p5=p&gclid=Cj0KCQiAz9ieBhCIARIsACB0oGKnjNjMqbwYePRfPv2K9YowxpEKinBaH7zJw_w4sUlrPZ9t9VxDwk4aAllSEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
21:28:00 <bslsk05> www.ibm.com: IBM AIX Standard Edition | IBM
21:28:00 <geist> the article was framed from the point of view of 'the last of the proprietary unices ais no more'
21:28:00 <mrvn> didn't they announce that years in advance?
21:28:00 <c2a1> no
23:58:00 <moon-child> mjg: https://github.com/bnovkov/freebsd-doors
23:58:00 <bslsk05> bnovkov/freebsd-doors - A Solaris doors IPC implementation for FreeBSD. (0 forks/9 stargazers)